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Younger Family Thinking of Expatriating...So Many Questions

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CascadiaMatt
1/2/2017 15:37 EST

We are a couple in our early 30's with an infant looking to get out of the US. We have been interested in Uruguay for some time now. We are going to take a trip soon to check it out. We were hoping to pay cash for a starter house down there. About 100-120k would be our budget. We are hoping to get jobs there. My Wife has a Masters in education, but does not speak much Spanish. I am an electrician who is competent in many construction trades. I speak enough Spanish for that type of work (conversational, but barely). We are both actively improving our Spanish, but such things take time.

Questions
1) Is it realistic to think that we can find work.

2) Is the real estate climate conducive to buying a fixer upper, fixing it up with my own labor, then selling it a couple years later for a profit like one can do in the states?

3) Is there a recommended area for that budget (probably near Montevideo?) 100-120k.

4) Could we buy a house first, then work on our immigration status?

Thanks in advance for any help.

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arkontes304
1/2/2017 16:31 EST

I have an apartment in Punta del Este and have hired electricians from time to time. I have been happy with my results but have been happy the costs are much lower than I would expect to pay in the States. So your income would be lower. I would suggest to "get in bed" with some local realtors who could direct business your way. I have heard about others getting unsatisfactory results from local electricians. I am sure others will weigh in.

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Morell
1/2/2017 17:26 EST

We have an electrician we use from time to time. I doubt we pay more than $10 - 15 US an hour. We are happy with his work.
We needed a locksmith recently and the guy showed up promptly, figured out the problem did a bit of drilling, lubricated everything - only took about twenty minutes or so. His total price? Less than $7.00 US.

I think it would be hard to make much profit from renovating a house and reselling it. You would have to include BPS - a form of taxation on any type of construction work which can add thousands of dollars to your costs even if you do the work yourself, capital gains on any increase in price over what you paid and real estate costs both buying and selling. There are a few expats who have built new for resale - not sure if it has been profitable though.

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Morell
1/2/2017 17:36 EST

The search tool on this site is not that great but if you search with topics such as work or jobs you will find some threads that might be helpful.

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Vortice
1/3/2017 12:47 EST

Please pardon the pun, but you will be shocked by accepted electrical standards here. It is common to have exposed wiring with twisted together conductors with virtually no insulation (in public and private spaces); I have seen decent plastic set screw connections, electrical tape, scotch tape and missing tape. It is common for lightbulb bases to hang from ceiling and wall boxes by the two conductors themselves. Given that this is a 240 volt system rather than 120 volt, the potential for serious electrical shock is at least four fold! (double the voltage = double the current and so four times the power in watts) These conditions are generally accepted here, so I would not expect a huge demand for paying to have the job done to North American standards. Absurd as this will sound to you, plumbing fittings, (90º) elbows are used in lieu of sweep fitting in electrical conduit here. Of course this means no pulling or re-pulling of wires, as the elbows must be threaded over the wire at the time of installation. Just plain stupid! The state run utility company UTE uses these elbows at your electrical service as well, it is not just the private electrical contractors! That conduit is white plumbing pvc pipe (often thinner than sch 40) or thin corrugated "smurf" tube rather than grey sch 40 pvc below ground and sch 80 pvc above ground. I will be doing my own wiring here and thermal bending my own pvc sweeps as needed as I did in the US. As with all construction here, there are many examples of top notch work, but sub-standard construction is very common here regardless of which trade one looks at.
As stated by others, you will find yourself competing on a much lower pay scale in a country that is not proportionally cheaper to live in. Not only will you need to speak Spanish well, there is an equipment learning curve that I am learning about now.
The electrical equipment/hardware is very different here, and mostly sourced from china. Breaker panel boxes are not of grounded metal, but are of plastic whether indoors, or out in the sun. I do like the "mini-Decora" style light switches used here and the fact that a single gang box can have one, two, or three rocker switches in it. That being said, I have not tried to wire one of these boxes yet and suspect that the limited volume there in will make for tricky connections and less room for slack wire. Being 240v, the wire gauges are half as big which does make it easier.
I do not intend to dissuade your consideration of living here, as we like Uruguay and the people very much. I only want you to be aware that there are many differences, particularly in the trades. I encourage you to make multiple exploratory trips before diving in.

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CascadiaMatt
1/7/2017 19:29 EST

Thanks for the generous reply! That sounds pretty consistent with the other parts of Latin America I have been to. I have been zapped several times by those electrified shower heads that used to be all over the place.

It sounds like by the price of electricity there would be a demand for high efficiency products and home solar systems, but I realize lack of availability, high prices and bureaucratic hurdles might make those difficult.

Just curious- Are construction materials fairly expensive? Also, would I get dinged pretty hard at customs for shipping in a bunch of my own tools (used)?

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sylk
1/8/2017 12:45 EST

we haven't brought our container yet (still having Real estate issues in the north) but my partner is an electrician (not practicing here except on our house) and has brought tools, large and small, in his checked luggage every time he's flown in - with no problem at all. My guess is that if it is obviously not for sale it won't be a problem. but that's a guess.

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