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biccjohn
3/23/2015 13:51 EST

Canadian male, looking at moving back to Venezuela. I lived in San Cristobal for 14 months and fell in love with the place and the people. No matter where I go my heart is still there, however. . . . What are the hazards, now with Maduro and what is it like to get residency there. Any and all thoughts welcome, even the ones that tell me I am crazy to consider going back. Bring it. . . . . . . . .

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artiem
3/27/2015 06:01 EST

My wife is Venezuelan and I am US. we have family and we own property in Maracaibo. We are avoiding our home for a while as there are so many issues with the government, finding food and consumables. There is a rumor that Venezuelans may become difficult for Venezuelans to exit the country. So we are waiting for things to get better before we move back.

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biccjohn
3/27/2015 16:41 EST

Thank you Artiem for the reply. You are speaking a lot of my fears as well. I am not married, but I left Venezuela in 2012 and have regretted it ever since. I met a lady in San Cristobal who I fell deeply in love with but was too afraid/stupid to say anything about it. Only today did I really find out how she felt about me back then and now. I am a 60+ aged teenager in love but I am wise enough to know it is not the best climate politically at this moment. I too have heard the rumor about it being difficult to leave in the very near future. I have also heard rumors of a revolution in the works and I am very worried about that. If you hear of anything new please let me know. Thanks again....kj

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artiem
3/27/2015 23:56 EST

We are spending most of our time in Panama until things get better. Another slice or heaven for us.

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RICESPIN
4/10/2015 09:03 EST

You WOULD be crazy to go back to specifically that part of the country because that's where all the protests started and will start again until they overthrow this band of criminals. I'm moving back to Margarita Island in May but I'm Venezuelan and I lived there once and a tourist resort island is always different plus I have to for my work So please think again The Venezuela you left behind no longer exists For example there is NO MILK anywhere!

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fecherklyn
4/10/2015 12:05 EST

"The Venezuela you left behind no longer exists". Very good advice RICESPIN.

My Venezuelan wife and I left in in 2003 after being held up a 3rd time in a short while. It was already getting bad back then. The last "hold up" was outside our house on returning from the bank and ended with a gun being held to my wife's head. We left in a hurry a few months later but we have always regretted leaving our beloved Venezuela.

Two years ago my wife's brother was murdered by local thugs pulling extortion. His then pregnant wife still lives there with nowhere else to go.

Conclusion: Venezuela is presently a place a place to avoid at all costs.

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RICESPIN
4/10/2015 12:37 EST

I know, the country has been systematically looted and hijacked so they can continue the looting "legally" while Latin American leaders watch and say they're SO worried and DO nothing. They forget how many millions of their people fled to Venezuela when they went through the exact same thing

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RICESPIN
4/10/2015 12:41 EST

I hope you are a Cuban or Russian or Chinese or North Korean Communist Party member because that's the only way the Venezuelan Communist regime will guarantee your "safety" as long as you don't go out after dark and can live without all the basic products you and I take for granted

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biccjohn
4/10/2015 13:49 EST

Thanks guys, I know I am crazy to even be thinking of visiting, never mind moving back. Love is a very powerful force, but at the same time I need to use just a little bit of my Canadian brain and so hold up boy. Love is great but not good if it is only for 1 hour and then I leave for another world. But my heart is sure pulling me towards Venezuela.

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fecherklyn
4/10/2015 20:56 EST

Biccjohn, there is a significant part of the Venezuelan population whose "hearts are pulling them back to their homeland."

I worked there professionally between 1997 and 2003 and just about every colleague I had has left. Most of us are still in contact by internet, and we are all biding our time hoping for a politically democratic change that will allow us to return. For the time being, a democratic change does not appear possible and political correction disallows the slightest criticism of the current regime.

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biccjohn
4/11/2015 07:22 EST

Dear fecherklyn, Thank you for your post. I totally felt at home in Venezuela during my short 14 months there. It was not during the safest time in Venezuela's history, but I still felt safe. I have never been one that ran to a fight, but I have never backed down from one either, so if there is where I want to call home, then I need to be in it for the long haul. Running away when my friend needs help is not my style. I am planning a trip back in July. I will stay for 2 - 4 weeks and get an idea of what is happening. You used to be allowed 6 months with your passport and I know Maduro has chopped that to 3 months now, so that is a concern as well. Ah play it as it happens and always have a back-up plan or two and owatafago4etanewa!

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RICESPIN
4/11/2015 08:49 EST

Just ask the families of the thousands who have been murdered for confronting the regime publicly or privately Yes thousands because now we know that of the 25,000 murders each year at least 1/3 are opposition members that were simply eliminated. Scary enough for you?

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biccjohn
4/12/2015 10:06 EST

RICESPIN, you do not know my story just as I do not know your story, however here is a small part of my story. I was in Venezuela at the time of the election and was smuggled out of Venezuela by a group of my students who were afraid that I was going to be murdered because of my strong voice against Maduro. I know the stories and I have been told by my students not to return. In my heart Venezuela is my country of choice; is it dangerous? Yes, very! I have known danger more than I care to share on this forum, but I have never been one to run and hide. Many of my close friends have been murdered for voicing realities in Venezuela. What kind of a friend am I to just sit and do nothing. I have been alone for 22 years, perhaps it is time for me to get my poop in a group and get back in the saddle. Since when has any relationship ever been an easy battle for any man? This one may have a few more obstacles, but I feel it is worth it. Thanks for your reply, it helps to keep things real! Blessings,

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sandrroy
4/13/2015 15:41 EST

If you haven't sought out psychiatric help for your suicidal tendencies you should now!!! Gringos are targets for all sorts of crimes.

You also now need a visa to enter the country, do you know that? Do you know the Canadian Embassy was closed in Caracas?

Do you know that most products are imported and that most products are now no longer available. Like antibiotics, medicinal creams, condoms and other contraceptives. There are lines for toilet paper, cleaning products and detergents. There is no milk, coffee, beef or chicken. Companies are closing left and right because there are no supplies.

Listen to the people who have more experience than you!! Heed the head on your shoulders (not the other one!)

How's your Spanish? Read Dolar Today or Reporte Confidencia online! It sounds like you are living in a fantasy world.
You think your life is worth nothing, but why add it to the statistics? There are thousands of people who love Vzla but they are witing until things improve before returning. THEY have the right idea, follow suit!! and if your chica is still here and available THEN, come back, but till then WAIT!

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biccjohn
4/13/2015 19:44 EST

How do you rate experience Sandrroy? And trust me if you knew my story you would know it is not the little head speaking. I am not a young buck and I have been around the block enough to know when to avoid problems and most often how to avoid them. You need to learn a little respect when talking to your elders, but that is again just my opinion as you have stated your opinion. So, from someone who is obviously a lot older than you, possibly more cultured than you as well, thank you for your opinion but the truth is you only insulted me and did not educate me in any respect or with any respect. Blessings!

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biccjohn
4/13/2015 19:51 EST

Plus it is only Gringos at this time that need a visa to enter Venezuela. As a Canadian I do not need a visa to enter Venezuela.

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Catire
4/17/2015 09:06 EST

I can't believe the comments from venezuelans here. You say you love your country, and the only thing coming out of your keyboards is how terrible things are in Venezuela. If you were talking about your mothers, would you only talk about the negative things?. I am also thinking of moving back to Venezuela, maybe not permanently, but definitely 3-6 months per year as I aproach my retirement age. In fact, I just came back from visiting there and had a good time there. I filled my car with gas for only $.04. The cost of a meal in a middle of the road restaurant is $1.50. Got a hair cut for $1.50. This is probably the best time to go to Venezuela if you're looking to stretch your money. I'm not into politics, nor do I care who is governing as long as it is what the people there wants. The beaches near the capital look real nice and they keep fixing things up there. I have a place in Caraballeda and I enjoy it very much.

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RICESPIN
4/17/2015 09:28 EST

Well good for you. We are just being realistic and reporting what we ourselves see and our moms have nothing to do with it. You sound like you're living in Canada or Miami though. But it's up to you. I'm glad you had a great experience but some people need milk, coffee, chicken, steaks, shampoo, detergent etc all of which are extremely scarce. I plan to move to Porlamar for a while because I don't need any of that So One's man poison is another's meat. So wish both of us good luck there.

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RICESPIN
4/17/2015 09:28 EST

Well good for you. We are just being realistic and reporting what we ourselves see and our moms have nothing to do with it. You sound like you're living in Canada or Miami though. But it's up to you. I'm glad you had a great experience but some people need milk, coffee, chicken, steaks, shampoo, detergent etc all of which are extremely scarce. I plan to move to Porlamar for a while because I don't need any of that So One's man poison is another's meat. So wish both of us good luck there.

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biccjohn
4/17/2015 10:17 EST

Hey Ricespin,

I appreciate the reality, but I also have realities I have not spoken of. I am living in Bogota at this time. I left Canada almost 6 years ago. June 25th will be 6 six years in South America. My time was limited when I left Canada as the Doctors told me I may only have 2 ' 3 months to live. I have proved them wrong on that account, but now I have cancer and the Doctors here have told me I need surgery. I lived and worked in a medical clinic in Venezuela, all the Doctors and Nurses were my students I know them well and trust them. Here I do not know any good Doctors, so my preference is to have my surgery done there and perhaps live the rest of my life there. I will be a ballless, 1 legged Canadian so I do not think I will pose too much threat to anyone there. I have testicular cancer that has spread into my right leg, so understand I am not going for the three letter fun getter. I am going to be where I feel I have family and friends. I know the things that are not in Venezuela, I will need to bring my own drugs for the surgery, so trust me I am aware of the shortages. I was more looking to get the lay of the land and you and other have laid it out very plainly for me, so THANK YOU! But in my highly opinionated mind, I still feel it is my best option, as it could be the last time I am able to go. Blessings!

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biccjohn
4/17/2015 10:46 EST

Hello Catire, Thank you for the first positive on my post! I will be going to Venezuela in July to get my surgery done and then make the decision to stay or to return to Bogota to finish a very good contract with an International company and then return to live out my life in a country I called my home for far too short a time. Blessings and best of luck on your venture as well.

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sandrroy
4/20/2015 09:59 EST

I am 72 so I am not disrespecting an elder. I have lived on Margarita since 2006 and I know how the daily news is filled with people dying in hospitals for lack of medicines, especially for cancer treatment. Several hospitals have actually closed due to a dearth of medicines and equipment. The lack of products was NEVER so great in the history of this country! Quality of life is a consideration as we age! You are old enough to know that without certain things life is not as comfortable as you'd like, but you seem to be determined to make the move. I wonder at the motivation of your writing here in the first place. Were you looking for a reality check? If your friends think it's a good idea that you return, why ask strangers?

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biccjohn
4/20/2015 11:51 EST

Please forgive me Sandrroy, it is I who have been disrespectful of my elder. 72 eh? Well you write as a young whipper snipper, so you are only old in years no in the mind. I was not look for permission to go, I was asking for the lay of the land. You have given me your perspective on that. Yes, you have a very negative perspective, but I can as a younger man read between the lines and get the information that I am looking for from your perspective. I have enough years behind me to make up my mind as to what needs to happen in my life. But I am also wise enough to seek the opinions of others and discern what I feel is best for me. My years in the military and the RCMP have provided me with tools to survive in harsh conditions, and the mind to weigh the situation and make decisions. But any good soldier will tell you that intel is worth a pinch of coon caca in most cases but the odd time it is accurate and valuable information. Entonces, thank you for your intel it has been well recieved, not rejected, but retained for reference. Blessings!

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biccjohn
4/20/2015 12:02 EST

SAndrroy, further to my note on intel, if you are going to state something like the Canadian Embassy is closed in Venezuela, you should also not it is closed in Detroit and Seattle. Does that mean it is not safe to go to the USA? The Embassy was closed in 2013, 2 years ago, and it is only the visa and immigration portion of the Embassy!

January 29, 2013 — Effective January 29, 2013, the Visa and Immigration Sections at the Canadian Embassy in Caracas and the Canadian Consulates General in Detroit and Seattle are closed. In addition, the Visa and Immigration Section at the Embassy in Washington, D.C. will have some services transferred to other offices. Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) is making changes to the way it operates in Canada and abroad. It is stepping up the pace of modernizing the way it works.

Closures to our operations network are not simply a matter of achieving savings; they are also a result of the transformative change that is taking place in program delivery. For example, online submission of applications for temporary resident lines of business is now available and makes it possible to move processing to where capacity exists. By centralizing some of this work, we can reduce our overseas network with a view to better focus programs and services, streamline internal operations, transform the way we do business and achieve better results for Canadians. The decision to close this visa office is tied to that strategy.

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sandrroy
4/20/2015 14:47 EST

I wouldn't recommend some parts of Detroit as a safe place to visit! Be that as it may, your choice, your life and your future. What's your family's take on the situation?
Good luck with whatever you do!

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biccjohn
4/20/2015 15:26 EST

Sandrroy, Well, you are a very tough nut to crack and I will just leave it at that. As far as family, I have none! My last living family member died 5 years ago. I am the only one in history to last past the age of 55 in my family, so no worries eh! Blessings and I wish you peace and happiness in whatever comes your way.

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JohnSchiller
10/17/2015 09:23 EST

the economy is a mess . exchange rate is 790 to 1$ residency can be gotten in 3 years living here. But easier to get if your married to Venezuelan. Shortage of food is a problem lots of cues for basics like toilet paper rice sugar milk and meat.
plenty of vegies and fish.

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JohnSchiller
10/17/2015 09:28 EST

i'm 68 living on margarita no problems here only basic shortages of food but with exchange rate being high no problem for me. Married to Venezuelan here now for 5 years. and resident . only two Australians on the island but lots of British and french and Canadians here

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JohnSchiller
10/17/2015 09:30 EST

plenty of milk in margarita but you pay a little more its all economic. life is good here

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sandrroy
10/26/2015 08:43 EST

WAIT til after the Dec 6 elections and see what kind of life there might be to come back to!!!!!

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sandrroy
11/2/2015 14:42 EST

After 2 hours in a Sr Citizen line, I bought 2 - 900gm packages of powdered milk last week on my day to shop.

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sandrroy
11/2/2015 14:48 EST

Make sure you have a return ticket and pray that the airline will be still flying out of the country when you're ready to leave!!!

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