augieman
2/12/2016 17:06 EST
Has thus virus hit Nicaragua ?
If so, how bad.
Does the gov't have an mosquito abatement program?
Or is it best just to stay at higher elevations?
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dturoff
2/12/2016 17:29 EST
Zika is a lot less pathogenic than Dengue, which has been there forever, or Chikungunya, which was more recently characterized, so whatever precautions you would have taken five years ago, are still appropriate now.
I have spent a few weeks a year in Nicaragua for the last many years, at all elevations and in all seasons, and just use mosquito repellent.
A friend of mine got Dengue there about 5 years ago (she was with me); pretty serious disease.
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iguanalover
2/12/2016 17:39 EST
The zika virus is in Nicaragua. The public health system is good and they are going after mosquitos with like an old Testament warrior. However, the zika virus is mostly a media sensation, most people don't even know they have it. It only really negatively affects certain people.
The media circus has been really misleading.
The relatives of zika, dengue and chikanguna, or however, you spell it, are real and over half the people we know have had one or the other and some lucky people have had both. The mosquito is the most dangerous animal on the planet and if you live in the tropics you will have to deal with them.
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cedelune
2/12/2016 17:54 EST
The drama around the Zika virus has to do with a prematurely assumed association with babies born with microcephaly in Brazil , a very small number of whom also tested positive for Zika. However, two more likely culprits for the microcephaly are the mandating of the Tdap vaccine for pregnant women by 22 weeks, although it has never been shown to be safe in pregnancy, and massive overuse of very toxic pesticides in Brazil, and the area where the microcephaly cases were found is rural and poor.
Worry about which repellants to use and/or stay at higher elevations, and/or research homeopathic and tissue salts said to reduce the likelihood of developing dengue or chikungunya if you are bitten by a disease-carrying mosquito and don't worry about Zika. It's a ploy to sell more vaccines (and is also possibly being used as a strategy to force the issue of providing legal abortion in countries where it has been banned).
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cedelune
2/12/2016 17:57 EST
The drama around the Zika virus has to do with a prematurely assumed association with babies born with microcephaly in Brazil , a very small number of whom also tested positive for Zika. However, two more likely culprits for the microcephaly are the mandating of the Tdap vaccine for pregnant women by 22 weeks, although it has never been shown to be safe in pregnancy, and massive overuse of very toxic pesticides in Brazil, and the area where the microcephaly cases were found is rural and poor.
Worry about which repellants to use and/or stay at higher elevations, and/or research homeopathic and tissue salts said to reduce the likelihood of developing dengue or chikungunya if you are bitten by a disease-carrying mosquito and don't worry about Zika. It's a ploy to sell more vaccines (and is also possibly being used as a strategy to force the issue of providing legal abortion in countries where it has been banned).
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atz111
2/12/2016 18:08 EST
Well, if it is a ploy to sell more vaccines then they are dumber than you...since there is no vaccine for Zika...so your logic on that is simply spawned by paranoia.
The virus may not ultimately be found to be the primary cause of Zika, but at this stage who there appear to be links, an abundance of caution is warranted until it is shown to be otherwise. Ask any pregnant woman about that.
The link between pesticides and the condition would also show in other areas where the same pesticides are used in s great a quantity.....but does not....again lack of any reasonable though process except...well stupidity.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion...except you...you are banned because of stupidity and dangerous thinking.
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atz111
2/12/2016 18:25 EST
They hate me on here. The thing you need to worry about in NICA with these expats and the wannabes that come once in a while is the stupidity virus. We are working on a vaccine for that.....
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iguanalover
2/13/2016 07:29 EST
http://ecowatch.com/2016/02/12/larvicide-cause-not-zika/
This is a very interesting article with different view of the problems thought to be caused by the zika virus.
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atz111
2/13/2016 10:14 EST
Yeah...you will also be interested to know that the site/organization with this info is a prime vector of NGO stirred up opposition to Monsanto a a lot of "all pesticides are bad" nonsense", and that the sources they use for the article are all to the left of them on this subject. No counterpoint is given. This always occurs when any thing happens that can be remotely tied to pesticide use or to Monsanto. Is it possible? Yep...remotely, as are many other theories at this early stage., most of them with a lot more substance. The group reporting this...Argentine and Brasil "Doctors" has no scientific standing and even they admit their link is observational.
If this were the case it would be nice and simple. Problem is how do you then account for the majority of cases of the condition where this product was not used and the condition manifests itself? to make any sense of this you need to understand then difference between Cause and Effect and Correlation....1,000 of things are correlated with the condition (or most others), but do not cause it. Living in the tropics is correlated with Zika (the only place it occurs, so Zika is correlated with living here) but living in the tropics is not a cause and effect relationship to getting Zika..meaning if you live here, the "effect" is not that but something else. It's a often used form of "making a point" that is not valid...as this stuff is.
Information like this is dangerous to your health as it relieves you of any consideration of the real cause. Taking what this stuff says at face value, you would then not worry about mosquito bites and Zika because you do not drink the water. At this stage in the cause and effect investigation, that is a very bad idea.
For the record, I think putting that stuff or anything in driving water is not good at all.
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KeyWestPirate
2/13/2016 19:33 EST
Round-Up on a coffee farm? I've never heard of that . .. I can't imagine how or why. Maybe robusta plantation coffee in Brazil,, ??? but even that doesn't make sense.
One true statement is,, the branded Monsanto Round-Up IS expensive.
Interesting also, that she filed her lawsuit initially in California, Land of the Fruits and Nuts, and possibly hoping for a jury of Aroma Therapists.
I believe everyone should have a choice in what they eat, and there is no GMO in Nicaragua (that anyone is aware of). You could pay for mechanical cultivation (by hand) of a cornfield cheaper than you could buy the necessary Round Up.
Pics of the corn I recently harvested on my farm are on TRN (The Real Nicaragua). In the "Blessed Day" thread.
This was not a GMO (why ???) but was a Brazilian Hybrid. Ear size and yield was double what we got from the "Nicaraguan" seed we planted the year before.
Nicaraguans are quick to apply pesticides, but don't buy fertilizer or lime. I think I understand the dynamic: once the crop is up you want to protect it. The fertilizer takes a leap of faith, and represents more money lost if the crop fails.
I have no problem with the people who don't like GMO, but I hate bad science.
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atz111
2/13/2016 19:43 EST
In Brasil the coffee grows in rows like apple trees, so they spray in the rows and between then plants for weed control...keep it clean...fields are BIG.
I agree with you...GMO has a place..maybe not everyplace... but the arguments are as much about the control Monsanto or other companies who make similar products have on saved seed by farmers (which is about business) as the GMO part itself (which is about the science/safety of GMO). Gets jumbled up all the time.
The farming technology here needs a lot of help...not all/just GMOs but general agronomic techniques....like hybrids you grow.
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