Myan
11/22/2016 19:56 EST
I'd like to know if there are any squatter's rights if one should buy a property in Nicaragua?
If we went back home for holidays can squatters take away the land by law?
Thank you.
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elduendegrande
11/23/2016 08:57 EST
They can do anything they want, but if you are right on top of it and have your deeds in order the police will evict them. Don't sit on it and don't be nice.
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novato1953
11/23/2016 09:24 EST
If history's taught us anything, it's that almost anything is possible. But I've yet to meet anyone who this happened to. Neither have I ever met anyone who actually ever met anyone else who this ever happened to. I'd rank it below meteor strikes as a cause of legitimate concern.
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atz111
11/23/2016 09:54 EST
Novato...you do not know what you are talking about...bad advice as appears on here a lot. I really do not understand why people have to make comments on stuff they have no idea. You let squatters get a foothold and you will have a problem. I have seen it happen personally here in past 3 years and it happens a lot. You will likely be able to evict them but it is a long process and in the end you may have to make some compromise with them.
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atz111
11/23/2016 09:54 EST
Novato...you do not know what you are talking about...bad advice as appears on here a lot. I really do not understand why people have to make comments on stuff they have no idea. You let squatters get a foothold and you will have a problem. I have seen it happen personally here in past 3 years and it happens a lot. You will likely be able to evict them but it is a long process and in the end you may have to make some compromise with them.
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elduendegrande
11/23/2016 11:00 EST
Back in the first sandinista regime a relative lost what is now a prime piece of commercial real estate in esteli. They woke up one morning to find their land outside their house security wall sprouted a fence, "house" and a family overnight. The police would do nothing because there was a "family living there". The sandis probably knew that the single skool teacher did not have the financial and psychological wherewithal for a lengthy court battle.
Claims against property rights and water rights are fairly common, but I suspect it will slow down a little since the north was GPS mapped a few years ago.
Key is to act fast, and yes it may be simpler to just "help them move" with greenbacks.
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iguanalover
11/23/2016 11:29 EST
That happens and it happened to many very nice people we know. There are also some interesting tricks with paperwork that happen to absentee landowners. You need to have your paperwork in order and act fast.
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dollyd
11/24/2016 07:32 EST
It has happened a lot on Corn Island. My lawyer said 2 years is the magic number. You need to remove them ASAP. Many people pay the squatters off to get them off the property. Sometimes there are too many or you will just loose the land if they have been there for a long time. The courts do not always side with the person who has the deed.
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novato1953
11/24/2016 10:56 EST
The Nicaraguan revolution and its immediate aftermath were almost 40 years ago. Any reports of more recent expropriations?
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dturoff
11/24/2016 11:16 EST
Yes, on Ometepe Island. Property purchased 3 years ago with a well-researched, apparently completely clear title. Still being litigated, with no resolution yet, but not looking good.
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atz111
11/24/2016 11:16 EST
The comments on this that you heard from several people are not from 40 years ago..they are current. This is not about government "expropriation" as happened after the revoluton, but poor people just coming to live on/in unoccupied property and then being hard to chase off. The government will assist in removing them (the obverse of expropriating), but that gets complicated by a lot of things and the police are reluctant to use any force in this, so often it simply does not happen. This is not only "squatting" on gringo property but on property owned by Nicar as well
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atz111
11/24/2016 11:29 EST
Some of these "squatter" claims have merit. Have a prime example near Mombacho outside of Granada. Guy (Nica) bought property..got clear title and registered. Started the build and comes along 10 unrelated people who were in a cooperativa (so part owners in the land). The coop honcho and his sidekick sold the property but never told or gave any of the $$ to the others. How much of a real claim they have is not really known...but everything is stopped until it is resolved ..and here that will be years. The title search was good as the sellers had the "authority" to complete the deal. But obviously some fuzzy part here. Talking about a $50K or more piece of property, so to these ordinary folks even a 1/10 of that is a fortune...so they ain't gonna give up easily.
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iguanalover
11/24/2016 11:54 EST
We watched it happen to a couple who bought last year. A family that had been living on the land in exchange for guard services refused to move. As a matter of fact, they enlarged their little shack and moved more family in. It was a real struggle to get them out and took several months.
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KeyWestPirate
11/24/2016 13:22 EST
This is a big problem and you should NEVER buy property with someone living on it.
Seller should remove the people prior to closing.
A take-off on IguanaLover's story:
The family claims that they are owed payment for watching the property as cuidadors. This could go back ten years,, at $4K cords month according to Ministerio del Trabajo.
Guess who now owes the money, new buyer???
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Myan
11/24/2016 16:51 EST
Thank you very much everyone for the informative information.
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elduendegrande
11/25/2016 09:31 EST
Not necessarily "poor" people. There exits in Nic another category called "oportunistas". One made a claim on part of a friend's finca, MY friend got a lawyer, got testimony from long-time residents, etc. and was ready to go to court and the claim just evaporated, He had no claim, just a local opportunist fishing for some free money.
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JimW
12/5/2016 21:14 EST
Squatting is a problem all over Latin America (parts of Argentina and Uruguay and Chile excepted. I might add that ethics are a problem generally in Latin America. Be very careful; get a very good lawyer (this means one having serious recommendations).
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elduendegrande
12/6/2016 14:27 EST
Back to the original post--squatters are a secondary threat, thieves will get your belongings if you leave a property unattended to go home for vacation.
Always have a trusted relative or caretaker in your house and a written contract should be draw up, especially if you are going to be gone for months.
Many houses here have maids quarters, a very minimalist room and bathroom in the back. The main house usually remains locked up and you have a trusted relative stop by to eyeball things.
The carefree life of waving to your neighbor and saying "keep an eye on the house, we will be gone for 2 weeks" is over.
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dumluk
12/8/2016 23:00 EST
Cant you just hire some cops or ex cops or even a high ranking cop from Managua, pay him to come in with a flatbed and load them and all their chit up and haul em outta there on threat of bodily harm if they try to come back? Ive seen it done years ago in Puerto Viejo de LImon.......major squatter problem......the German solved it in admirable fashion but it cost him..........
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atz111
12/9/2016 13:45 EST
Yeah, seems like you could do that but in reality it is near impossible. A gringo or even a high middle class nica is it going to be able to hire toughies to do this. The risks for the people who do it just too great...they could very easily wind up in jail. Beside that...you got to have the contacts to even find these guy to do it.....who on here actually knows these kind of people? If you do find them and the squatters just leave..great..... that ain't likely to happen...squatters are tough and know the law. So, if you forcibly remove and cops come and they really cannot sort it out....squatters on property..maybe have build a shed, etc.....and owner has been absent, etc. Cope do not examine the deed...so you have to file denuncia and go to court...but in meantime you are on the losing end. And those you hired have cop problems...so that is why you are unlikely to get somebody to do it for you. Plus....if this is a long term (2 years +) you have other problems......see "adverse possession". Happens all the time here. The solution is not to let anybody occupy your property
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