misspatente
1/23/2017 20:36 EST
Hi,
I'm an older lady from Montréal, going to Nicaragua and planning to live there. My son's (estranged)dad is from there and I know the culture and the language.
I'm noticing that whenever a place is nice and inexpensive, expats and tourists flock over and everything becomes way more expensive. Costa Rica, Belize, Panama, and Croatia are good examples of this.
I live on a small pension and chose Nicaragua mostly because of the low prices. It really saddens me that Americans and Canadians are starting to build extravagant housing communities. San Juan del Sur is now inaccessible for me (and most Nicaraguenses). Let's not spoil this rare not-so-well kept secret that is Nicaragua.
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Nicaman
1/24/2017 07:36 EST
Good point young lady. LETS NOT Do THE SAME AS CR AND OTHERS HAVE , as far as all the homes and gateted communities that are being built , this will not stop. And this why I am doing a special type of planned AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY, AND YES BEACH FRONT. I iam fucusing on the working class and the people on a budget , like my self.
I was a General Contractor for 30+ years in Calif and also born in California both my parents are Nicas. Believe me this comes very handy living heard. I not be able to make it with what social security is so posed to pay me, and that if the elegals have not drains my and some of you ally chump change by the time iam 65.
Anyways don't want to bore you any further. HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY Y VALLA CON DIOS MY FRIENDS.??
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jhutch621
1/24/2017 07:44 EST
My fears, too. 8 years of 1% COLA moving backwards big-time. Fortunately old age doesn't last long.
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atz111
1/24/2017 08:13 EST
The logic of your post eludes me. You plan to move here but think the influx of expats will ruin the country. So, it's OK for you to move down but not for others. Hmmmm. And people should not build the type of homes that they want to live in....they should build down to what you can afford. FYI 90% of the "expensive" homes built in Nicaragua are built and owned by Nicaraguans, I guess you don't like the idea of the locals moving up.
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atz111
1/24/2017 08:20 EST
I hope you build better than you spell. Likely not....another wannabe arrive yo fix nicaragua and he cannot even take care of himself.
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elduendegrande
1/24/2017 08:27 EST
Ditto, there are market forces at play that will "ruin" Nicaragua whether anybody likes it or not.
Reminds me of a cartoon I clipped out and mailed to a sailor friend of mine years ago. It showed a lake full of sailboats and each one had a caption that said "Lotta jerks out today".
Or that old classic "Don't Californicate Arizona: visit, enjoy, then go home".
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iguanalover
1/24/2017 08:40 EST
Nicaragua is a rapidly developing country. You will be very surprised by the Nicas you will meet. The ones we know are not the poor and the oppressed, they have plenty of money. Do no make your decision on what was in the past, the future is here and the Nicas are rushing to get in on it. When we go into Managua we are surrounded by a sea of brand new cars and they are driven by NIcas. We go to many very nice suburbs and the houses are owned by Nicas. If you are looking for inexpensive, I suggest you may want to look around carefully. Do not judge the country by SJDS. The expats are a part of the problem but only a small part. We live in a totally Nica neighborhood and when you walk around in the early evening, grandma and her family are sitting outside with their tablets and expensive cell phones. The lifestyle you describe is already gone.
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elduendegrande
1/24/2017 09:33 EST
We are 11,000 years late for the pure Nicaragua. It has been going uphill or downhill, depending on you POV, ever since the first Siberians moved in.
The Food Court at Metrocentro is a much the real Nicaragua as some mudhole finca in the boonies.
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KeyWestPirate
1/24/2017 12:20 EST
You may find what you are looking in the north,, including north beaches north of Corinto. Still cheap.
Estelí, Matagalpa, Jinotega,, and many of the smaller cities of the north are still reasonable
But,, remember what you describe as spoiling is the Nica's prosperity finally coming to fruition.
The country is still a third of Costa Rica costs.
The key: get in while you can. Staying costs are very little. Much of what kills retirees in the US,, such as property taxes,, are extremely low here. I pay more in diesel to drive to Telpaneca to pay my fincq taxes, than I pay in taxes.
This new found prosperity serves us all.
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englishvinal
1/24/2017 17:44 EST
I do not believe that Misspatant meant to denigrate either the native Nicaraguan people, OR.... anyone of the retired good folk who so enjoy living in a genuine healthy country like Nicaragua.
We see the natural friendly attitudes of the Nicas being slowly morphed from natural caring generosity to one of ill concealed greed, And the recent shift comes from the influence of the "western consumer motif" that is enough is never enough and bigger is better as a guiding philosophy.
A truly beautiful natural land is turning into a noticeable 1%.... versus the 99% - and the 99% see how it goes and strive to reach further up the food chain comprised of: "its all about the money".
I think that is what she meant, and meant no "offense" to any particular individual. I very much appreciate her thoughts.
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misspatente
1/24/2017 21:02 EST
Gracias muchacho!
Aprecio mucho lo que estas haciendo. Honestamente, yo soy Francesa Canadiense, aqui hay una comunidad de Nicas que se han ido despues de la revolucion. La mayoria de los Nicas Expats son de derecha, pero eso no tiene nada que ver. SI, hay gente pobre que quieren ir a vivir en este pais. Sabes que aqui hace menos 30 en Invierno.... we deserve a little break loleven if we're not rich! An especially now, I do not want to be called "Gringa". Julie-Marie
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misspatente
1/25/2017 01:51 EST
Not sure if you're very cynical or just self-serving. Of course there are market forces at play. Of course I want people in Nica to have a "better life"- like us? So why do we go live there? It happened in Spain and Portugal, Eastern Europe and North Africa: the Euro brought up all the prices and now locals are struggling. Development is good, but it has to be owned by locals. If Americans are buying land and building gated communities, or as I call them, "compounds" then selling them to other Americans who want to speak English with their American neighbors and huddle together in fear, bringing prices up to American Dollar values, there will be a two-tier economy just like in Cuba (another example - Euros and Canadian Dollars). I'm not sure it's so great for locals. Anyways, do you want to see Taco Bell and Olive Garden all over the Pacific coast? And eventually on the Caribbean side?
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misspatente
1/25/2017 02:08 EST
Thanks :) The only Nicas I know here in Montréal came after Somoza was outed. They had money. Most were well educated. Their children are now working here as professionals and they are investing in their country. I am not ignorant or naïve. This was not a wave of economic refugees. In most cases, they were real political refugees. Nicaragua is not a poor third-world country. It has an elaborate culture, many descendants of Chinese immigrants who grew businesses 2-3 generations ago and superb dignity. I just get scared when I see too many "Gringos". At least learn Spanish...it's not that hard! People all over the World are bilingual and multi-lingual. Just not you guys.
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misspatente
1/25/2017 02:11 EST
Thanks for your positive response. Much appreciated. Many Americans are on the defensive lol
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misspatente
1/25/2017 02:21 EST
Thank God one person understood! Yes, you said it better than I did, englishvinal. By the way, I'm French Canadian and my son is 1/2 Nica, so I'm not so unaware lol. His grandma is a Matriarch from Masaya, turning 90 in February. A beautiful, wise and classy lady. I would just like Nicaragua to remain Nicaragua. Those who are all hostile are just being defensive.
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johnchip
1/26/2017 13:01 EST
After you lectured us on '"how to act as an expat in Nicaragua", how to build, how to invest, tell us to 'learn Spanish', and how to 'behave', then to say..."...many Americans are on the defensive. Lol.". More than on the 'defensive', I for one am on the "Offended" by your arrogant outsider remarks. And the most offensive is how you make it sound like Nicas are supposed to be living in a home for nice little Down's Syndrome children and you hope they all stay that way. Go ride your Canadin pet moose and join a garden club near an old folks home and preach to the choir of like minded idiots. You are an offensive know-it-all who has no place on this forum, let alone in Nicaragua.
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glockdiver69
1/26/2017 17:55 EST
@miss: Have you been to Nica lately? You scorn the expats (Americans) who build their "compounds" and live in it in fear...nothing but BS. Here is the truth at least for my community, which is a secure gated community. Our community has BUILT and it owners help fund a library, computer learning center, after school place for the local children, vocational classes and oh yeah, a full size health clinic with an ambulance and stocked pharmacy. This single community is responsible for more than 800+ DIRECT, well paying jobs with SS and full benefits. Plus, the owners employ additional employees and this has spurred more ancillary jobs. What have YOU done for Nica?
If you want to move to Nica and live like a local, go ahead. Enjoy the simple life. However, do not dare criticize others whom have more money than you and choose to live in a nice house (built by quality Nica labor) and in a gated community with full ammineties. It is not out of fear, it is out of choice you idiot.
Lastly, while I am not fluent in Spanish. I do very well talking to people in Spanish. I am still learning and I may get the tenses wrong sometimes, but at least I am trying. All of my friends in Nica are also semi-fluent or are talking Spanish classes.
Know you facts before you spot off with such generalized bable next time.
Stay in Canada!
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englishvinal
1/26/2017 19:47 EST
Glockdiver69
Please don't be mean-spirited. Especially to an "older lady"... It takes all kinds of people to make a world, and an honest older lady from Canada does not belong to any group that would steal, rob, kill and/or run a drug trot-line through Nicaragua.
She has the option of moving to Nicaragua as does anyone else. Perhaps she is not as "socially oriented" as you seem to be. Reading your resume' is impressive and I am delighted to think that you have helped people... but this lady certainly has NOT harmed anyone, and she may have helped folks but didn't feel it necessary to mention it.
Be kind, especially to older people. Life is like a boomerang.. what you put out really does come back.
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xman
1/27/2017 08:30 EST
lets all be nice to misspatente, for all we know she may be an undercover Sandinista trying to push our buttons. To much bk n forth with MP either you make the move or you don't. not matter what will tell her, it will never add up to how it truly is here... As for me an MIAMI EXPAT born in the 70s to parents that came from Cuba with the PETER PAN KIDS am so happy when I open my eyes in the morning, look around at what I have, as small as it may be, and say thank you lord. I've chosen to live here, work here & raise my kids here. I feel that I can do more good here then anywhere else. and for that, NIC is for me!!!! (at the moment)
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misspatente
1/27/2017 10:34 EST
Hola. No soy Sandinista lol. Soy Canadiense Francesa de Montréal, Québec. Me quiero disculpar porque parece que sin darme cuenta he ofendido a muchos Americanos. Usted me cree Sandinista y hay otro que me cree Somosista!
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novato1953
1/27/2017 10:47 EST
I don't believe people are offended as much as awed. It's not often one encounters such firm beliefs arrived at from 4,000 miles away. It's cute, the way a kid in Topeka imagining the ocean is cute.
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feliceb
1/27/2017 11:00 EST
It would be nice if you put that in english for all of us Americans:)
Thank you since it is a bit different than your apology in english
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misspatente
1/30/2017 22:47 EST
Awww... gee thanks. I'll take that as a compliment despite the condescending tone. At my age, being called cute is always nice!
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johnchip
1/30/2017 23:15 EST
Ah, so 'cute'. And an expert on Nica life, a global political analyst, an expert on global real estate, the effect of immigration on local economies, an insightful sociologist in the differences of American and Canadian culture. Now that you have established yourself as an internet personality and expert on the forum lecture curcuit, WOULD YOU ACTUALLY LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE NICA EXPAT COMMUNITY? (that is kinda what these forums are for)
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ricktee
1/30/2017 23:26 EST
While the forum may be for questions too many responders are so crass that people are insensed. Why are you so crass? Does it give you a sense of power?
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johnchip
1/30/2017 23:52 EST
RickyTeeshirt, you are .a piece of work. You come on here playing patty cake with the lady with the moose, then come back on calling me names and psychoanalyzing my personality. When did you get voted to speak for others?
... "people are insensed."...
Stay home and "pour the tea."
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johnchip
1/30/2017 23:52 EST
RickyTeeshirt, you are .a piece of work. You come on here playing patty cake with the lady with the moose, then come back on calling me names and psychoanalyzing my personality. When did you get voted to speak for others?
... "people are insensed."...
Stay home and "pour the tea."
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johnchip
1/30/2017 23:52 EST
RickyTeeshirt, you are .a piece of work. You come on here playing patty cake with the lady with the moose, then come back on calling me names and psychoanalyzing my personality. When did you get voted to speak for others?
... "people are insensed."...
Stay home and "pour the tea."
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johnchip
1/30/2017 23:52 EST
RickyTeeshirt, you are .a piece of work. You come on here playing patty cake with the lady with the moose, then come back on calling me names and psychoanalyzing my personality. When did you get voted to speak for others?
... "people are insensed."...
Stay home and "pour the tea."
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ricktee
1/31/2017 01:32 EST
Iittle minds rereveal their ignorance by their crass comments, thankyou j.
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ricktee
1/31/2017 01:32 EST
Iittle minds rereveal their ignorance by their crass comments, thankyou j.
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misspatente
1/31/2017 03:42 EST
the lady with the Moose, really? not stereotype at all... quite nuanced. Ricky has a point.
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misspatente
1/31/2017 03:49 EST
I am leaving on Friday, headed for Poneloya for starters. I do have questions. Does anyone know if it's possible to rent a car from a private source? I can't see myself getting around by bus and can't afford $80/day for a month. Also, is anyone living in Leon?
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