19naia
3/28/2017 17:40 EST
Hi there.
Was wondering how the granted tourist stay works for multiple entries. Spreading the standard 90 day stay out over 123 days with the extra time spent in Peru.
I know i am only allowed 90 days but i am coming with a round trip that departs Ecuador 123 days after arrival.
My plan is to spend the extra time in Peru and come back to Ecuador with enough tourist stay time left to catch my flight out,
I know things change, but i just looked up the tourist entry terms on the consulate website and other web sites. It seems i can come for the 90 days granted without a visa before arrival on a US passport, and that i can also apply for an extension while there..
But then it says if you plan on staying more than 90 days, you should apply for a visa before coming. So it seems a bit confusing.
I plan to stay 90 days only but also to spread it out over a 4 month period with the extra time spent in Peru. Maybe 60 days in Ecuador and then 33 days in Peru with the final 30 days in Ecuador.
My plan means i am assuming that they will allow me to stay for 60 days, exit to Peru for 33 days or more and then return to Ecuador for another 30 days, for a total on 90 days in the year.
Also i am asking if it is possible to come with a 4 month gapped round trip ticket, get the standard 90 days and get an extension for another 33 days or more. All without hassle that my ticket was booked as a 123 gap in the round trip.
Does anyone with direct experience in this situation have any personal experience to share? Thanks much.
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OceanHideaway
3/28/2017 23:24 EST
Things just got more confusing as all the visa categories just changed.
Let's see if we can have our visa guru, Dana Cameron who writes here under the avatar Silver water, stop by and help sort this out!
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cccmedia
3/29/2017 22:30 EST
While we're awaiting Dana's appearance, let's note that the basic tourist-stamp rules have not been changed.
Ipso facto, you may do the 90-days-over-two-entries as planned into Ecuador.
Make sure you have your Peru tickets handy to show to EC Inmigración, explaining the 123-day South America travel.
Note that even if you arrive at an Ecuador airport at 11:30 p.m., that is counted as one of your 90 days.
Do not mess around with an overstay. Count your days carefully and then double and triple check the number of days in each calendar month.
Under the present circumstances, I wouldn't mess around with attempting to obtain a non-immigration extension of your tourist permit while in Ecuador.
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Silverwater
3/29/2017 23:00 EST
They are no longer accepting applications for the 12-IX tourist visa. However, I was with someone yesterday who was anle to get a second 90 days. They had paid $50 for sn apucation fee then were charged $10 for the 90 days. It was called a VT. For Visa Turista I think. Not sure at this point if that will be standard pricing. They were required to submit proof of health insurance through the 90 days which they had through their credit card.
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HomeExchanger
3/30/2017 06:22 EST
Hi Dana
Thanks for all that you do. Is my blue cross insurance card proof of insurance? Blue Cross has network providers in countries including Ecuador and reimburses for out of network as well.
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19naia
3/30/2017 12:18 EST
Thanks for all the replies.
I don't see any Ecuador to Peru Airfare that i care to hurt my wallet for.
So i looked up and found "Andes Transit" website offering online bus ticket purchases.
I am hoping that Andes Transit is a website i can trust. ?
Ticket from Ecuador to Peru by bus is listing as cheap as $46 there. That is a good price and i hope immigrtaion will accept it as proof of intent to exit after 60 days.
Also, if not much has changed in Tourist visa, is it possible that if i exit into Peru after 60 days, that when i return to Ecuador i can get another 90 days? It has been that they normally grant 90 days where tourist have to exit after 90 days or apply for an extension. Either way, a second 90 days was possible for a 180 day total in any single year.
I am reading now a maximum of 90 days per year and that has me thinking that 180 day maximum, split into two 90 day stays, is no longer allowed except for those who have visas issued prior to coming and apply for extension when the visa time lapses.
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kmoriarty45
3/30/2017 14:13 EST
"...is it possible that if i exit into Peru after 60 days, that when i return to Ecuador i can get another 90 days?..."
No, not without filing for a Tourist Visa extension ( See Dana's post...In fact see Dana or talk to her directly - She knows better than anyone ).
Your original plan of 60 days Ecuador, then Peru, then return for another 30 days is obviously doable with a bus ticket Just make sure you count your days carefully.
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OceanHideaway
3/30/2017 15:32 EST
Update on contacting Dana!
Use her personal Email!
Agua_Plata@hotmail.com
The other was hacked!!!
If you sent mail to the gmail account please resend to this one.
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19naia
3/30/2017 21:42 EST
Thanks, i will stick to my plan of splitting my time between Peru.
I want to avoid Quito as much as possible other than my layover there on the way in and out of Ecuador.
I would explore an extension if it is possible to do in Cuenca or Guayaquil. Not Quito.
I have too much travelling going on between now and time to Ecuador, so i cannot make a visa appointment at any Ecuador embassy/Consulate. Not without incurring more cost than cost to change my ticket to Peru and entering Ecuador by bus. Landing in Peru or Colombia.
Either of those places will be easier to manage an extension or border run from.
Count my days well and leave an extra day or two space to manage any unforseen delays.
I have that in Mind.
Seems Ecuador wants less tourists and they have done a good job turning me off from there.
Next time i will land in Peru or Colombia and bus into Ecuador.
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cccmedia
3/31/2017 02:07 EST
The OP better do his homework before trying to save money taking the cheapest bus he can find from Ecuador to Peru.
Cheap buses are prone to have less-than-cushy seats (hard on the 'tuches' over many hours) .. and loud Spanish-audio action movies for hours at a time.
Ipso facto, sleeping on the bus during overnight travel could be problematic to say the least.
Much of the trip could be through boring desert or boring night blackness. No Internet... no reading without possibility of 'car-sickness'.
Depending on the route, it could mean one-way travel of 20-plus hours, station to station.
Ugh!
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19naia
3/31/2017 10:38 EST
I have done the bus ride from Peru to Ecuador before. Christmas time 2013.
All i need is a bus ticket to prove my intent to exit after 60 days, and then i can afford to discard it and choose a decent bus if i don't like the online selection.
I know about the Ejecutivo buses with huge plush seats that recline all the way down to nearly be a bed. Even saw one luxury bus line that does the very long hauls with onboard wifi.
I have done the bus ride from Panama to Nicragua, Nicaragua to Honduras, Belize to Guatemala and from USA to way down in Manzanillo Mexico.
I am in Mexico right now for the winter, i drove all the way from Indiana state down into Mexico. 6 days of driving started early Novemeber and then i will be driving back to Indiana near the end of April.
Then i park the car and fly to Ecuador after April, to stay the Summer in Ecuador and Peru.
I was on a bus ride through floods in Thailand back in late 2011, and have been seeing recent news of the floods in Peru.
I rode a mix of hired cars and buses across 5 countries in west Africa in 2015 and even used to ride the buses in philippines.
I would actually prefer to buy the cheapest bus ticket online because it will be the best option for throwing it away in the event i decide to go to Colombia instead of Peru or if i find a better bus option on ground there.
I will be alright once i get into the country, i just need to be ready with the requirements for being allowed into the country without hassle.
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19naia
3/31/2017 11:14 EST
I don't like to mention my travel dates and where i am coming from or landing at.
Last and first time i was in Peru, i was swindled by money changers and my $50 mistake for going to the ones outside of a casino. I never noticed the casino they were standing on the corner of.
Any way, a month or so later, i went to change money at an indoor office location in another city entirely and there were street hustling $ changers across the street calling me over (to get swindled again, i bet). I gnored them as i vowed to do til end of time. And then one held up a cell phone in just enough of a position to possibly view me through the camera. Next thing you know he calls me by the name of my home state.
And i later looked up an app that lets you look a person up online using their picture.
Literally they can take a picture of me on the street, look me up and decide among their team of swindlers if i am lucrative enough for their time and effort to trail me and set me up for a fleecing.
Like i mentioned in a previous comment, i have been to more than just a few countries and have lived a year or more at a time in asia, africa and Latin America. Never have i experienced a place like Peru where i was treated so much like a cash cow, auctioned off from one bidder to the next for every thing they could milk me for.
Right from day one at the airport. I told the registered airport taxi where i wanted to go and double checked that he understood before i got in. Next thing you know i am being driven deeper and deeper into Callao rather than The high rise water fron area of Lima i asked for. Mira flores.
It was midnight and he refused to listen to me ,and at midnight in a strange part of town getting out to look for another taxi was not a good decision.
I ended up at a hotel that was double the price of everything next to it or in the entire area , and i was made to stand and wait to check in because the taxi driver spent the next 30 minites using my time to negotiate with the hotel desk for a cut of the high price they would charge me. All this after midnight.
He litterally drove me against my will to a place overpriced so that he could get a cut of the fleecing the hotel would do on me. And made me wait in line 30 minutes at the hotel desk behind him while he negotiated the best price for selling me off. Borderline kidnapping for ransom.
I woke the next day to see i was surrounded by hotels and all had prices listed at half the price of where i was steered into.
Then i ended up in Iquitos and was the same cattle rustling treatment ,auctioned off between drivers and lodging keepers where i had to stand and wait 30 minutes or more while the drivers and lodging attendants negotiated the drivers share of my randsom, all on my time.
And the lodging, i had to abandon for having terrible sickening water supply open to animals and rain runoff. Didn't even ask for my money back, just packed and left and just nodded my head and smiled as i left.
Can't trust drivers to take me where i ask (even the safe taxis at the airport) and cannot trust that they won't sell me off to a place that will waste my money and get me sick. Literally passed around like a cash cow at auction.
Any way, south america is no place i will leave public info out online, info about my time and place of travel. As bad as the cash cow fleecing style of tourism is there, the info would just give them an added advantage in the game to cattle drive me to wherever profits them the most and offers me the least.
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kmoriarty45
3/31/2017 13:53 EST
Most of the non-city buses here have plush, reclining seats. Many of the longer haul buses include a movie ( or 2 ) in Spanish of course, and most now are wi-fi equipped.
My 3 1/2 hour bus ride from Machala to Guayaquil also includes free coffee in the mornings and cola in the afternoons, as well as wi-fi and a movie. My cost ( Senior citizens living here, get 50% off of bus and plane fares ) is only $3.00 each way !
My wife and I travel extensively and almost always by bus. Cheap and easy way to get around and see the country.
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ecbound
3/31/2017 20:59 EST
KM, How much does it cost to go from Cuenca to Vilcabamba, and how long does it take? And is it safe? I've heard a lot about the crazy bus drivers and busses being robbed.
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OceanHideaway
3/31/2017 22:59 EST
Rule of thumb:
Executive class bus, $2 an hour
Local Stops Bus, $1.50 an hour with 25 cents between stops.
65+ (applies to tourists too)
50% down to 25 cents.
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