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Belize: Visiting Placencia:
I was there about 2 months ago visiting Placencia for the same due diligence purposes. Happy to answer any questions and you can look at my post about my summary of findings of what I thought back in February. As to how to get there, we have flown once and driven the last time (if you really want to do good due diligence do the drive, as it is the best way to really see what the surrounding area looks like). The drive from Belize City is pretty easy and interesting sights to see along the way.
Belize: Moving to Belize:
We were recently in Placencia, and I would say the diving there is excellent. The only drawback is the reef is further out than on AC, but the flipside there is that it is a lot less disburbed, with a whole lot fewer divers going there. If you go there, try Splash dive shop (that is who we went with and they were top notch)
Saint Lucia: Island Comparisons:
Since folks on this thread are somewhat comparing islands, I thought I would weigh in here also (and also seek opinions). Recently went to Belize (to do due diligence there), and below are my thoughts on what we saw. We also went to USVI over new years for a week also to conduct due diligence (and have fun also), so I thought I'd share a bit of my first impressions there (and ask others to weigh in on anyone with experience). I know I need to give St Lucia a shot next on due diligence from all the recommendations for there. But here are just my shot at USVI for what it is worth (just St Thomas):
1) Was impressed with the price of real estate there (how relatively low it was, based on my expectations), in particular on the ocean homes. I didn't really have a sense of real estate values, but it seemed plenty of homes say of 5000sf, on the water (cliff or beach), nicely finished out, in the $1M to $1.3M range. Not that everyone is looking for that, but I just figured that for those type houses and those views, was expecting in the several million range, so was surprised it wasn't higher, given that it is in the US
2) Homes seemed good construction, lots of solid masonry, relatively recent construction.
3) At least being a US person, not having to hassle with the language barrier and immigration and taxation was a nice advantage
4) Real estate taxes seemed pretty low (again just compared to the US)
5) No state income tax (just the same federal tax you would pay anywhere in US)
6) Seemed a nice blend of beach/island feel (lots of beautiful beaches), without feeling crowded at all (and we were there over New Year and relatively close to where the cruise ships come in), but also lots of regular stores, Home Depot, etc for when you need that kind of stuff
7) Lots of restaurant choices, that didn't seem too high priced (and we pretty much hit the tourist ones without looking very hard for "bargain local places" which I suspect we could have found)
So overall was pretty impressed, but again this was just based on one week of due diligence, so anyone with other thoughts (plus or minus) of USVI (and comparison to STL since this is the forum) would be great
My thoughts on another recent trip (to Placencia Belize, which technically not an island, but pretty much could be compared)
1) Road to Placencia--not bad, and have seen worse in the US. Definately a plus to be able to drive directly down into Placencia (vs. being on AC where a boat trip would be necessary)
2) Access to stores--went to various grocery stores and found in Placencia not bad choices or prices. Stopped in some also in Belize City and Belmopan, and also not bad. Nothing like the US for sure, but not bad choices and availability. Some things cheaper than US (like local foods), but generally packaged stuff would be cheaper in the US (but not terribly higher priced)
3) Restaurants--absolutely wonderful restaurants there. Both "local ones" where you could buy food/drinks relatively cheap, to very nice restaurants with great food. Very impressed with quality, choices and prices of restaurants there.
4) Beach--was a very nice beach all up and down the penisula (much better than beaches in AC). Most properties nicely set back from beaches (not built on top of them) and generally very good conditions on all beaches (did a lot of walking up and down lots of beaches). Plus in Placencia you also have the lagoon on the backside which somewhat doubles the "water frontage" area you have access to.
5) Views--I found the views of the ocean and beaches great. As nice as many places I've been to. And because you have a main good road running right through the penisula, you don't have all the boat and foot traffic in front of you all day long on the beachfront and water front (basically very peaceful and great views if you sit on the beach, with not a lot of back and forth 'traffic". The views out the back of the lagoon and Maya Mountains also were great. Was very impressed with this part
6) Facilities like banks, scuba shops, specialty shops like coffee, bakery, fishing, ice cream, etc. Seemed to be lots of choices, mainly in the village. Village itself is pretty crowded (but not terrible), but it seems nicer the more north you go (like Maya Beach). So live north, and go to village for anything when you need it
7) Real estate--very nice homes going up everywhere. So depending on what you are looking for, lots of extremely nice homes going up (which should keep up real estate values since a vested interest in not letting things get run down). If you are looking for "cheap" real estate/homes, probably will get hard to find. But if you were thinking of having a home, should be good to have lots of other nice homes around already to support the market. Clearly there seems to be a wave of improvements and homes and overall real estate investments going on, that I would assume momentum would cause to continue.
8) Hotels--lots of nice choices, from small boutique, to "cheaper" type hotels, to really nice ones. No big resorts really (other than The Placencia which seems an odd ghost town somewhat).
9) Marinas--several very nice large ones. Lots of nice boats and sailboats docked, so was surprised at how many nice boats there were overall (which I take to be another good sign for investment coming in to support this)
Just some overall thoughts I would share. Was very impressed with the area, and will keep doing homework, but anyone with thoughts (concurring or shooting down) my initial on the ground experience would be appreciated.
Belize: Placencia Due Diligence:
Since folks on this forum provide lots of helpful advice I thought I would share our recent trip to Placencia where we went there specifically to do some on the ground due diligence. Flew into Belize City, and made the drive down the Hummingbird Hwy (specifically to see this part). We spent a bit over a week there. Have been twice before to AC and spent time there. So here are some brief thoughts on what we found that I thought I would share:
1) Road to Placencia--not bad, and have seen worse in the US. Definately a plus to be able to drive directly down into Placencia (vs. being on AC where a boat trip would be necessary)
2) Access to stores--went to various grocery stores and found in Placencia not bad choices or prices. Stopped in some also in Belize City and Belmopan, and also not bad. Nothing like the US for sure, but not bad choices and availability. Some things cheaper than US (like local foods), but generally packaged stuff would be cheaper in the US (but not terribly higher priced)
3) Restaurants--absolutely wonderful restaurants there. Both "local ones" where you could buy food/drinks relatively cheap, to very nice restaurants with great food. Very impressed with quality, choices and prices of restaurants there.
4) Beach--was a very nice beach all up and down the penisula (much better than beaches in AC). Most properties nicely set back from beaches (not built on top of them) and generally very good conditions on all beaches (did a lot of walking up and down lots of beaches). Plus in Placencia you also have the lagoon on the backside which somewhat doubles the "water frontage" area you have access to.
5) Views--I found the views of the ocean and beaches great. As nice as many places I've been to. And because you have a main good road running right through the penisula, you don't have all the boat and foot traffic in front of you all day long on the beachfront and water front (basically very peaceful and great views if you sit on the beach, with not a lot of back and forth 'traffic". The views out the back of the lagoon and Maya Mountains also were great. Was very impressed with this part
6) Facilities like banks, scuba shops, specialty shops like coffee, bakery, fishing, ice cream, etc. Seemed to be lots of choices, mainly in the village. Village itself is pretty crowded (but not terrible), but it seems nicer the more north you go (like Maya Beach). So live north, and go to village for anything when you need it
7) Real estate--very nice homes going up everywhere. So depending on what you are looking for, lots of extremely nice homes going up (which should keep up real estate values since a vested interest in not letting things get run down). If you are looking for "cheap" real estate/homes, probably will get hard to find. But if you were thinking of having a home, should be good to have lots of other nice homes around already to support the market. Clearly there seems to be a wave of improvements and homes and overall real estate investments going on, that I would assume momentum would cause to continue.
8) Hotels--lots of nice choices, from small boutique, to "cheaper" type hotels, to really nice ones. No big resorts really (other than The Placencia which seems an odd ghost town somewhat).
9) Marinas--several very nice large ones. Lots of nice boats and sailboats docked, so was surprised at how many nice boats there were overall (which I take to be another good sign for investment coming in to support this)
Just some overall thoughts I would share. Was very impressed with the area, and will keep doing homework, but anyone with thoughts (concurring or shooting down) my initial on the ground experience would be appreciated.
Saint Lucia: Hoping to ship mobile business to island, and serve the locals:
Since folks on this thread are somewhat comparing islands, I thought I would weigh in here also (and also seek opinions). Recently went to Belize (to do due diligence there), and posted on the Belize forum my thoughts on what we saw. We also went to USVI over new years for a week also to conduct due diligence (and have fun also), so I thought I'd share a bit of my first impressions there (and ask others to weigh in on anyone with experience). I know I need to give St Lucia a shot next on due diligence from all the recommendations for there. But here are just my shot at USVI for what it is worth (just St Thomas):
1) Was impressed with the price of real estate there (how relatively low it was, based on my expectations), in particular on the ocean homes. I didn't really have a sense of real estate values, but it seemed plenty of homes say of 5000sf, on the water (cliff or beach), nicely finished out, in the $1M to $1.3M range. Not that everyone is looking for that, but I just figured that for those type houses and those views, was expecting in the several million range, so was surprised it wasn't higher, given that it is in the US
2) Homes seemed good construction, lots of solid masonry, relatively recent construction.
3) At least being a US person, not having to hassle with the language barrier and immigration and taxation was a nice advantage
4) Real estate taxes seemed pretty low (again just compared to the US)
5) No state income tax (just the same federal tax you would pay anywhere in US)
6) Seemed a nice blend of beach/island feel (lots of beautiful beaches), without feeling crowded at all (and we were there over New Year and relatively close to where the cruise ships come in), but also lots of regular stores, Home Depot, etc for when you need that kind of stuff
7) Lots of restaurant choices, that didn't seem too high priced (and we pretty much hit the tourist ones without looking very hard for "bargain local places" which I suspect we could have found)
So overall was pretty impressed, but again this was just based on one week of due diligence, so anyone with other thoughts (plus or minus) of USVI (and comparison to STL since this is the forum) would be great
Belize: Road trip!:
Along the lines of the road trip question, we will be making the drive from Belize City to Placencia end of this month to check out the country on the way between (have been to AC a couple of times, but want to have a chance to see more of the country, rather than just fly over it. So my question is what do folks on this forum recommend as far as the path---just take the Hummingbird Highway all the way from Belize City to Belmopan, then to Dangriga, then down to Placencia? Is it worth going into Dangriga (while on route) just to pop in and see what it looks like and anything there to see? Go off the path into Hopkins to see what is there?
Belize: Real Estate Attorney Recommendations:
Can anyone recommend good attorneys/law firms in Belize with experience on real estate purchase and setting up an LLC there (just to have someone to explore some preliminary questions with)? And if anyone has any experience or opinions about pros/cons of owning property individually vs. owning it through an entity in Belize, would love any thoughts anyone has also.
Belize: Placencia questions:
I would like to get any thoughts and opinions from anyone regarding Placencia (and the overall peninsula development generally around it). I know Melissajane is from there, but would welcome thoughts from anyone who has experience or an opinion. Specifically, (a) what are thoughts of the cruise ships coming to the general area (is that a general plus or minus for the Placencia area, as far as for operations of businesses like hotels vs. folks that just live there (who might be happier with less traffic, not more!), (b) is the overall infrastructure improving in Placencia (roads, sewer, banks, new stores, etc), (c) how is the internet and cell phone cost and reliability there?, (d) what is the status the development called The Placencia Belize (that has a very impressive web site, but from other posts it seems like there are lots of developments in Belize with impressive web sites and little or nothing else, so I wondered if this was one of those, or if this development is actually happening with the hotel/airport/marina/golf course it claims to have underway). Appreciate any thoughts on any or all the above questions from anyone.
Belize: scaredy cat:
Bobbyvee, how does that divers insurance work and what does it cover? Being a diver myself, I've never gotten that insurance (since never needed it being in the US 99.9% of the time). But if you were abroad does this insurance cover more than dive related issues?
Belize: Sailing in Belize:
So for those who have done sailing in and around Belize (a) any issues on security in keeping the boat there?, (b) are there many marinas up and down the coast of Belize where sailboats can tie up? (c) any sailing groups there?
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