I agree with the guest of Feb. 26. The fact that the writer says she and her husband are "pampered" makes it sound as if they are insulated in a gringo enclave. This is interesting but am wondering if this author has much experience of mixing closely with the local community? It does sound a bit like an ex-pat enclave - something many people (me included) may only want to spend limited time with or none at all. It would be useful to know what are the challenges/barriers (if any) of being able to integrate with the local people and community in Mexico.

I live in the Lake Chapala area. Cable is very limited in our area and rumored not to be very good. Most people have their internet through telmex, the phone company and satelite TV. CFE (electric) can be paid on line, at an OXXO (like 7-11 if you actually receive your bill) or at the office. It depends on how much power you use but I would think about $800 pesos every 2 months. Telmex runs us $599 pesos per month and you can pay that at OXXO or the office. We have the middle tier on the internet and unlimited long distance within Mexico. Gas(propane for stove, clothes dryer and water heater) is paid to the delivery truck when they fill you large tank or change out your cylinders. There are not many water meters in our area although Chapala is putting them in. We live on the west end and since we own our house we pay our water annually and it is $1000 pesos with the discount. If you pay your property taxes and water in January you get a discount. There is an office on the square in Joco where you pay these 2. I would think that it is similar throughout Mexico but just ask when you get where you are going. Expats are very friendly and will help you out. Kitt I am moving down but need to know about internet and cable cost for services . Where does one pay light bills etc. Any information is appreciated.

I want to move to Manzanillo in 2015. I would rent and am asking about long term rental prices for a normal 2 bdrm house. I am not the luxury type just a normal house with hot water and regular amenities. Could you give me some suggestions as to what to expect? yES THE HIGH IN E-PATS MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE $150,000 or THE $869,000 WHO KNOWS, THAT MIGHT SOUND LIKE A GREAT DEAL TO THE FEW, HOW ABOUT THE AVERAGE JOE ON SS OR A PENION CHECK OR 401??????.THE AVERAGE GUY OR WOMAN READING THIS MIGHT WANT TO VISIT BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS $$$$(LOW PRICES) AS WELL, THANKS FOR THE REPORT.

How safe is it in Manzanillo now with the cartel troubling the whole country?