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Does marrying a Brazilian give me Brazilian citizenship?

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LynseyLoo
1/12/2012 09:11 EST

Can anyone help?

I'm from the UK and looking to marry a Brazilian here this year then move straight over to Brazil to settle there.

Does marrying a brazilian automatically give me Brazilian citizenship or do I have to apply for it, and do I need a visa to live and work there permanently if I am married to a Brazilian?

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brinitapemasc
1/12/2012 15:46 EST

not automatically. check with the brazilian consulate. once here you would have to remarry, and go through some paperwork to become a peermenan resident. it is not difficult and your huband can help you. if you et your marraige certified before you arrive(hence the consulate visit), it is easier.
good luck!

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kross
1/13/2012 13:15 EST

Hi LynseyLoo, I am a Canadian and I recently married a Brazilian. I will be moving to Brazil in April. I am not applying for citizenship as I would lose my Canadian citizenship and pension. I have just received my permanent residence Visa for Brazil - which was relatively easy - just cumbersome. We got married in Canada and my husband has now registered our marriage in Brazil. As I understand it, the major difference affecting citizenship vs visa is the ability to vote - some other differences but I am eligible to work once I apply for the RN# (SIN# in Canada). Check with the your country's regulations regarding marrying a foreigner to be sure but for us, marrying in Canada first was recommended. The Brazilian Embassy has our required paperwork and was also very helpful. Good luck to you and if you're not doing it already, start studying your Portuguese.

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aneill42
1/14/2012 06:13 EST

Hi there!
As I understand it and until informed differently, you can apply and be granted Brazilian citizenship without giving up your Canadian citizenship. Canada allows dual as does the US.
But you are right about not needing to be a citizen to work or carry on a normal life in Brazil.
I have been married to a Brazilian lady in Fortaleza for over 7 years now.
I am retired and receive both my Canadian pensions by direct deposit in my Canadian account and which I take out with a card here in Brazil.
The reason I will be applying for citizenship here is that I feel a certain gratitude towards the country for giving me the basis for a pretty good life and also to get rid of the hated "non-resident" tax.
It takes 25% off my pensions and there's little enough already.
Andy Neill
Fortaleza, Brazil

P.S. where will you be living in Brazil?.

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aneill42
1/14/2012 06:13 EST

Hi there!
As I understand it and until informed differently, you can apply and be granted Brazilian citizenship without giving up your Canadian citizenship. Canada allows dual as does the US.
But you are right about not needing to be a citizen to work or carry on a normal life in Brazil.
I have been married to a Brazilian lady in Fortaleza for over 7 years now.
I am retired and receive both my Canadian pensions by direct deposit in my Canadian account and which I take out with a card here in Brazil.
The reason I will be applying for citizenship here is that I feel a certain gratitude towards the country for giving me the basis for a pretty good life and also to get rid of the hated "non-resident" tax.
It takes 25% off my pensions and there's little enough already.
Andy Neill
Fortaleza, Brazil

P.S. where will you be living in Brazil?.

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kross
1/15/2012 09:52 EST

Hi again,
Interestingly enough, from what I understand, Brazil will not allow for me to have dual citizenship, not Canada. I have several Canadian friends and family with dual citizenship for the US and Australia and when I looked into it for Brazil I was told I had to give up my Canadian citizenship to become a Brazilian citizen and my best course of action would be to apply for permanent residence if I did not want to give up my Canadian citizenship.

From your email, this is incorrect? Do you know if it is possible to apply for citizenship after living in Brazil for a while once I've had a better chance to understand the system? I would be quite happy to have dual citizenship!!

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aneill42
1/15/2012 15:08 EST

Hi there!
I was not aware that Brazil would not allow dual!
If they do not, then it changes my plan as well.
I will check further and if you can, please do so and we'll have the complete picture.
If I were you, I would just go with the permanent visa and stay a Canadian because that way you will receive the govt pensions later. Because of the exchange difference, it does come in handy!
I wanted to have dual because if you are a citizen of another country like Brazil and also Canadian, then the Canadian govt will not take off the "non-resident" tax the way they do at the moment. 25% off your pension payments makes a difference.
Andy Neill
Fortaleza, Brazil

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marciovp
1/15/2012 16:28 EST

If I remember correctly it will give you a residency status in Brazil. Then you will have to wait a few years (5 ?) to apply for citizenship. Be aware of how the IRS is going after Americans Living Abroad...

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mrimbaud
1/15/2012 19:17 EST

Lynsey, most of the responses you've received are accurate. I would also encourage you to visit the Brazilian consulate in England and speak to them. Marrying a Brazilian will not give you Brazilian citizenship. However, you can live and work in Brazil through marriage without being a citizen by becoming a permanent resident. You receive an ID card known as an RNE. I did this myself. I believe you can do this faster in England than here in Brazil. Also, you will need to marry again in Brazil, anyway. However, you can come to Brazil on a tourist visa and marry here while you are figuring everything out. Check with the Brazilian Consulate for how long your tourist visa lasts. For Americans, we can stay six months in one calendar year on a tourist visa. While I was here on my tourist visa, I then applied for my RNE. However, it took two years to complete all the paperwork. It was not simple!

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LynseyLoo
1/18/2012 08:24 EST

THank you guys for all your messges.

I have been looking into the Permanent Residence visa but it takes 8 weeks to come through here in England. This is a problem because we wanted to get married here then fly straight out to Brazil as my fiance has to go back to work. Is there any way I can apply for permanent residency whilst in Brazil rather than doing it here? It would mean he will have to go back to Brazil without me while I wait here for 8 weeks with no job and no money before I eventually fly out to join him. I won't get our marriage certificate until the day of my wedding so there is no time for me to go to the consulate before leaving England. Maybe I have to change my plans. As fas as I understand it I would either have to do that or go to Brazil as a tourist where I can stay for 3 months I think then come back to England to sort it out then. I would still have to stay here for 8 weeks though.

Is there any way I can live and work in Brazil without the permanent residence visa?

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LynseyLoo
1/19/2012 06:23 EST

So let me get this straight, if I get married here in a religious and legal cermony, I still have to get married again in Brazil anyway? I can't just go over, register our marriage there and then apply for permanent residence? And if I get married in Brazil I can apply for permanent residence there while I'm there as a tourist? I can stay there for 3 months at least.

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kross
1/22/2012 17:57 EST

Hi again, Just for reference, I got married in Canada, provided the embassy with the "long form" marriage certificate (this took about 9 weeks - Canadian paperwork). The Embassy then provided me with a translation and their version of a marriage certificate. My husband had 6 months from the day he returned to Brazil to register our marriage with this Embassy issued certificate. We do not need to be married in Brazil. I have my permanent visa which took 30 days to be returned. The time consuming part was gathering the paperwork and required translations. I also have a child so that made it a little more complicated. I understand I can apply for the RNE the day I arrive and I will be provided with a temp number so I can start to work - an official document will be sent later.
As for dual citizenship (with Canada and Brazil), I was misinformed and as I now understand it, I can apply for dual citizenship one year after living in Brazil. I am not sure about the UK but this may be food for thought!

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wfpusa101fw
4/16/2012 17:51 EST

Hi there, as soon as you get married to a Brazilian citizen you can go to a Brazilian Consulate and start the paper work in order to get work permit, so then you good to go.
Iam a Brazilian , so if you need help with that let me know.

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aneill42
4/17/2012 17:12 EST

Hi there!
As far as I am aware, Canada allows dual citizenship. There are many Canadians who are also US citizens.
So, if you became a citizen, you would not lose your Canadian citizenship and your pensions.

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Brunno
7/22/2014 20:11 EST

Hi there

Brazil will require you to withdraw from your Canadian nationality, however this will not automatically take effect since Canada will not recognize whatever promise you make before a foreign judge. The Brazilian authorities will probably take your Canadian passport away from you and return it to the Canadian Consulate or Embassy (all passports officially belong to the government, citizens are only "holders"), you simply ask the consulate to return it back to you and they will probably be more than happy to do so... As long as you use a Brazilian passport to enter or leave Brazil you should be fine. It's worth to give the Canadian Consulate in Brazil a call just to confirm it with them... Good luck! ;)

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kiwiinbrazil
7/26/2014 19:25 EST

Ok wow you poor thing lots of different info here. I arrived in Brazil 6 months ago on a tourist visa. I am kiwi married to Brazilian with a New Zealand marriage certificate. We also did not have time to apply before we came so did it here. You do not need to get married again here - you do need to "register" your marriage here with a legal translation of your marriage certificate (check this info as we applied through our daughter instead!), you'll need to check with federal police in Brazil as to list of needed docs and you can get them all organized here. I did bring a police record from my home country including fingerprint check.
We had to go to federal police (at airport) around 3 times before we had everything in for our application. You then wait for an in person interview then wait again for final visa - still waiting!
They will give you a piece of paper (literally paper) which is you temporary ID as a foreigner here - you can use this to get your CPF number (pay at post office and apply at Receita Federal) and your temporary Carteiro de Trabalho (work book) at the Ministry of Work - please not the places these things are applied for are different for locals vs foreigners!
This could take at least a month to get all these things be prepared for things to take much longer than planned!! Lol
Once you have these you can work legally! Yay! If you're strapped for cash some english schools pay foreigners under the table. Good luck!!!
Visa is processed much quicker at Brazilian consulate in your home country but you can still work & live here while visa is processed.

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ErickViana
2/24/2015 09:24 EST

Yes, dual citizenship is possible. I am Brazilian and I live in São Paulo. Do not worry about this issue , because here it is well facilitated . If you need some guidance I am at your disposal !!

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domBrazil
9/7/2015 12:47 EST

Hello guys,
I read many posts here, and being Brazilian, with some knowledge of the Brazil immigration laws, I will leave here some information.
the marriage of the right to permanent residence in Brazil, even without official marriage, but prove the relationship and intend to live as a couple, already have the right to residence visa here. citizenship can be requested after one year of marriage, have Brazilian citizenship allows vote, providing competition for public jobs, and run for office as mayor, governor and deputies (representatives), in addition to get the Brazilian passport which allows access to 147 countries without a visa. There is an old law that requires the renunciation of original citizenship before receiving Brazilian citizenship, however the government of Brazil no longer requires proof of renunciation of previous citizenship, you ask Brazilian citizenship, and meeting the requirements, receive without having to proof of renunciation of their original citizenship. thus there are many people with dual citizenship in Brazil, the original citizenship by birth and Brazilian by choice.

my email l.venceslau5@gmail.com

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Rbri
10/3/2015 08:19 EST

Hi there!
Since you are Canadian, I was hoping you could help.

My fiance and I are trying to find out the best way to create our future marriage. We are in the beginning phase. Currently, I'm living in Canada and he is in Brazil. He has to finish his degree ending in 2017. I am ok with living in Brazil for that bit of time, but I need to continue traveling once married as I am a freelance artist and paint and have exhibits internationally.

My questions:
* If I marry in Brazil, do I have to stay there for 2 years and not be able to travel after marriage?

* What is expected from me after I marry in Brazil?

* Should I try for citizenship or for permanent residence, as I have dual citizenship France and Canada,


* Do we have to marry in both countries ?


and any other advice and strategy would really be helpful! you all seem so great on here.

Thanks so much for any and all advice :)

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sohelsaheen
10/3/2015 08:43 EST

Though I am not Brazilian but I was living in Brazil before.Yes , if you are married with a Brazilian so each and every problem of citizenship will be resolved over night. In this case the Brazilian law is the most flexible in this world. There will be no restrictio to travel according to your need. About the dual citizenship it depends on the agreement between Brazil and that 3 rd country. Normally dual citizinship is allowd in Brazil.

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Marlington
10/3/2015 09:51 EST

Hello!

You should make an appointment with the Brazilian Consulate in your region. They will give you all the necessary info and tell you exactly how to go about this issue. Contacting the Consulate is a must because laws are always changing here and they will be aware of any developments. You should take any documents you have with you (ID. cards, Passports, schooling diplomas/certificates, professional registration, whatever..... They may have a visa that applies to you for residency even without getting married to a Brazilian national which could speed up the process....i do not know, just guessing. It is just a matter of finding out.

Here in Florianopolis/Santa Catarina, where I live and operate as a Lic. Real Estate Broker and a Settling-in Services Provider, I can recommend an English-speaking lawyer who specializes in expat matters. He is excellent at what he does. He explains everything very clearly and gives you your best options besides doing any applicable paperwork. Do you have any idea where in Brazil you would be living?

Please let me know how it goes at the Consulate.

Good luck!

Margaret Arlington
Lic. Real Estate Broker
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sharky777
4/21/2016 12:05 EST

I need some info and help, I am going to Brazil in 2017, should I go with trying for permanent residency, or citizenship, which would be easier to get for right now? anyone? thank you, HOWARD, you may also reach me here, habeas7@gmail.com (i am married to a BRAZIL NATIONAL since 2009, she is 52, I am 63, I am also getting a pension from the US GOV.)

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MikeWatson
5/31/2016 18:05 EST

Hi kross,

Did you have to have full proof of an employer in Brazil that would back you? Or was marrying a Brazilian citizen enough?

Thanks!

Mike

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paracuru92
6/1/2016 23:00 EST

No. I don´t know if you can see my older post, but I explained the process there. Contact the Brazilian Consulate with representation in your area.

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PizzaFreak
2/18/2017 09:56 EST

Hi everyone. What FloridaGuyinBrasil said may be inaccurate. Hi Florida Guy. I too am from Florida by the way. The time allowed to leave Brasil after you have the permanent 10 year resident visa is 18 months not 24 months (unless they changed this). I traveled outside or Brasil during the allowed 18 months, so I know this. The Federal Police manager in Sao Paulo told me this personally. So like I said, unless they changed this it is 2 years it remains 18 months. After receiving citizenship however, I believe it is removed and there are no limits of how long you can be away from Brasil. Hope this helps.

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OutOfHereUSA
2/18/2017 11:27 EST

Your guy in SP is wrong.
With an RNE you can stay out of Brasil for 24 months, NO more or it cancels.
You can however apply for a new one when you do return. With the new express RNE program it only takes about a month especially if you had one before. I've had 2 of them now, no limit on how many you can get in a lifetime (as long as you pay a new fee and do new paperwork).

To the original question, you need to have an RNE and live in Brasil for 2 or 3 years before you can apply for citizenship. Personally I don't see any reason to become a citizen as it creates more problems that it is worth. You can live there permanently and do everything you need to ; work, buy property, cars, etc. without it.
A CPF (SSN card) will actually let you buy real estate, buy and register a car, etc. Easy to get in days.

MANY Brasilians have US or Canadian citizenships too and the reverse.
To give up ones original citizenship would mean you loose your social security and can restrict your ability to return to your original home country. You'd be a foreigner as far as they are concerned. With TRUMP's hatred towards foreigners, would be tough.
Understand wanting to leave the US but don't burn your bridges because this FASCIST govt won't last forever. They could be thrown out next month.

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lawrenceimages
2/19/2017 05:12 EST

I'm American too, married my Brazilian wife in USA now we live in Brazil for 1 year. Question we are now planning to go to Fed police to start the process for perm resident. What paperwork do i need to give to them?????

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sohelsaheen
2/19/2017 10:20 EST

Yes, eventually it will allow you to get the permanent resident permission and later on the Brazilian passport. But you have to proved that you are genuinely married and have to pass married life with your spouse for years. The procedures are simple and needs to go to the near by consulate office. Good Luck!

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OutOfHereUSA
2/19/2017 12:30 EST

Don't be afraid to go to the Federal Police, they are there to HELP you.
The immigration office of the FP is usually located in your nearby international airport.
They can fill you in on everything you need and how much it costs.
The new streamlined process began Sept 2014 and only takes about 2 months max whereas it used to take 2YEARS. Believe the cost is around R$250

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Marlington
2/19/2017 13:29 EST

Hello!

Marrying a Brazilian national will give you the right to get a permanent residency visa in Brazil. After a certain number of years living permanently in the country you will be able to apply for your citizenship. Providing you do not leave the country for more than 2 years once you have your permanent residency visa you will not lose it. If you do, your visa will be cancelled but you can apply to have it reinstated. I suggest that you go to the Brazilian Consulate in your region and ask all the questions you may possibly have. Make an appointment with the Consulate, take a list of your queries and get your replies. That is what they are there for!

Good luck!
Margaret Arlington
Lic. Real Estate Broker
CRECI-SC 15839

Settling-in Services: everything you need for a safe, stress-free start,
from the minute you set foot in Florianopolis

Multilingual Services
Translation & Interpreting
International Communication
ENGLISH – SPANISH – PORTUGUESE

Florianopolis – Island of Santa Catarina
Santa Catarina – Brazil

Landline: +55 48 3234 7848
Mobile: +55 48 9 9957 9982 (TIM) (Cel. & Whatsapp)
Mobile: + 55 48 9 8844 2169 (Claro)

arlingtn@terra.com.br
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Brazil16
4/8/2019 23:34 EST

This is for OutofHereUS
This is a great place for information but I don’t think calling the President of the USA names is appropriate giving false information. I am a Trump supporter and he doesn’t hate Brazilian or Foreigners. To answer the question of citizenship you can have dual citizenship both be Brazil and US.

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mchrismsw
4/10/2019 02:18 EST

Andy is there a work around that 25% tax. I mean I have friends in the DR and they use Charles Swab account which reimburses all atm charges. They just have funds transferred into a USA account.

That tax just seems so unfair.

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