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strydly
11/29/2018 09:30 EST

My fiance is going to bogota for 4 months and extended an invitation to me to go as well, I'm extremly torn when it comes to going to Bogota for 4 months, does anyone have any advice , pros cons , opinions??? Help !

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Andresen
11/29/2018 09:40 EST

Are you both Colombian, American, what? How old are you? Where do you live now, Medellin or Minnesota? Do either of you speak Spanish? More information is needed before members here can help you.

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strydly
11/29/2018 09:45 EST

30 years old from norther. virginia , he is fluent in Spanish I know the basics not enough to have a convo.

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elmacho
11/29/2018 09:47 EST

Open your mind, just go!

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CAtoMDE
11/29/2018 10:37 EST

To the OP, there is a difference in "I am moving to Bogota" to "I will visit for 4 months", either way just go and see and 4 months is sufficient time and you will understand if Bogota is for you.

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Andresen
11/29/2018 10:44 EST

I agree!

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SkyMan
11/29/2018 10:54 EST

CA...I also am in total agreement with your post. But...I might want to add this...If you like cold & rainy conditions=Bogotá.....then you'll feel at home there. It all depends upon where you are coming from, and what you are accustomed to...weather-wise and amenity-wise.
Buena Suerte ! Tranquilo.

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 11:03 EST

So what afe you giving up to go there?

School semester? Job?

Can you aford to give these up?

If so, just go

You are better at doing a "pros vs Cons" analysis than us

But I can tell You 4 months is nothing to go anywhere.

I knew guys who have gone to Scott Station Antarctica for a full year

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WhoaNellie
11/29/2018 11:14 EST

Sometimes some posts remind me of Scott Adams' fictional character "Topper"...maybe not so fictional after all.

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WhoaNellie
11/29/2018 11:15 EST

https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Topper

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LaPiranha
11/29/2018 11:29 EST

Skyman. I live in Bogota, and love it. When you say cold and rainy, you should indicate that you prefer hot, which I certainly don't. In fact, I find it unbearable for more than a few days.
The temperature is nearly always about 18 degrees here in Bogota, sometimes 16, sometimes 20, when it many parts of the US, it gets down to ZERO MINUS 18.

Yes, it also rains, and in fact we are in the middle of the rainy season right now. But you know what? We get an hour of rain, then the sun comes back out, and the streets are dry again in a few minutes. Where I come from, (England), when it rains, which is VERY often, it lasts for 2 days at a time. Now that is what you call 'rainy'.

To Strydly. Don't be put off by anyone. Just do it. Travel broadens the mind, makes you more worldly, gives you experiences that you'll never get at home.

Bogota is safe, its different in that its the capital city of Colombia, so it is thriving, the nightlife, the shopping, anything you want, you can find here. It is modern, living side by side with the traditional, rich live side by side with the poor, you will see things that you just would never see back home, and have experiences that you'll remember forever.

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Electricista
11/29/2018 12:04 EST

Since you have a choice whether to go or not, and she is your fiance, you must go unless you do not mind her hooking up with someone else in your absence.

I hate Bogota but I would still go if I were in your shoes.

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strydly
11/29/2018 12:06 EST

Electricista, he is my fiance is the dating culture that intense? What makes you hate bogota ?

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cccmedia
11/29/2018 13:44 EST

Is it air pollution?

Crime?

Traffic?

Something else?

All of the above?

-- cccmedia

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ponymalta
11/29/2018 14:16 EST

strydly


if i were a woman i wouldn't let my finance be alone in colombia for 4 months. i had a company with an office in colombia, even for short term assignments men we would send there would end up having problems with their marriages back home, much more than any other country we sent guys too. so my advice if you wish to keep your finance go with him.

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LaPiranha
11/29/2018 14:18 EST

But that's what everyone complains about in Medellin, pollution, traffic, crime, paying protection money, yet all the retired Gringos flock there in their thousands. A bit hypocritical, isn't it?

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SkyMan
11/29/2018 14:29 EST

La...Yes I like warmer weather conditions...not hot, hot like along the Colombian coast...but yes, warmer than it normally is in Bogotá. And yes, I have spent some time in your fair city & did not care for it, at all. I lived in South Florida over 20 years & I prefer to be sunny & warm, rather than cooler. No disrespect intended for your chosen city, but as always...I post from my personal experiences, not merely an opinion. We each have our preferences, and have the right and resources to make them happen. You have yours & I have mine. Buena Suerte ! Tranquilo.

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strydly
11/29/2018 15:11 EST

Ponymalta thank you for your perspective of that , people use the "if you trust him you should have no worries" but I feel like it goes way deeper than that

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mikedanbury
11/29/2018 15:17 EST

Why are you torn? Do you have to give up your job or you just don't want to be in Colombia?

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strydly
11/29/2018 15:22 EST

Mikedanbury...having to send my dog to my mom in texas from virginia , not being able to work for 4 months , and comforts of home

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ponymalta
11/29/2018 16:26 EST

strydly

Colombia is a different story as I have seen through experience since 2004, sending a guy there on his own usually a disaster for a relationship. as it is a special country that way.

And you will probably enjoy Colombia, great lifestyle and friendly people- and inexpensive trips you can take to Peru , Panama or Cartagena. Biggest risk usually is you may not wish to return to States after being in Colombia !

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 17:15 EST

Bogota is ñprobably tve Lady place I would pick to live in Colombia...

Ok..it Tumaco.and Buenaventura

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 17:18 EST

Stupid iPhone with Spanish spell check

The last place I would pick..
Other than Tumaco and Buenaventura

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 17:18 EST

Stupid iPhone with Spanish spell check

The last place I would pick..
Other than Tumaco and Buenaventura

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 17:18 EST

Stupid iPhone with Spanish spell check

The last place I would pick..
Other than Tumaco and Buenaventura

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Elexpatriado
11/29/2018 17:18 EST

Stupid iPhone with Spanish spell check

The last place I would pick..
Other than Tumaco and Buenaventura

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strydly
11/29/2018 17:20 EST

Elexpatriado, do you mind telling me why? I want to have all the perspectives!!

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tubes
11/29/2018 17:48 EST

I would not bother waiting for Expatriado. His course sarcasm get's lost in his defective spell checker!

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WhoaNellie
11/29/2018 18:06 EST

Buenaventura - I have family that live in Buenaventura. I enjoy visiting them, but - there's not really much to do or see there.

Buenaventura is very hot, very poor and can be dangerous. It's backwards enough that you probably won't find a place with hot water there. And although the climate is hot, the water they do get - and water service may be shut down 2-3 times a week - is ice cold as it comes from the mountains to the east. The inhabitants collect it in tubs and let it sit overnight so they don't have to bathe with ice-cold water. Most of the houses have 400 to 1000 liter plastic barrels on the roof or top floor that they store water in for water outages.

You can do a search for "casa de pique" and Buenaventura is one of the locations that first turns up. Of course mostly only gang members suffer that fate, but...

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Electricista
11/29/2018 18:30 EST

"Electricista, he is my fiance is the dating culture that intense? What makes you hate bogota ?"

I missed that "he" is going to Bogota for 4 months and you are the she. In that case I am doubling down on what I said above.

The women in Colombia are hungry (figuratively and literally) for a foreigner that probably has a budget to spend on a girl. Back when I was younger and better looking, the girls would hit on me as soon a my fiance went to the washroom. I was not accustomed to how open they were at trying to steal a man from his girlfriend.

Bogota: I hate all the taxistas as they are all thieves (including the one female taxista who also ripped me off). I hate the weather as it is usually cold. One can have a comfortable afternoon when it is sunny with blue sky. I hate the thieves. I hate rush hours there.

Other than the taxistas and the thieves, I do like the Rolos as I can find better educated and more worldly people there than outside Bogota. It makes for a more interesting conversation.

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CAtoMDE
11/29/2018 19:06 EST

My turn.....I don't care at all for Bogota but certainly not nearly as bad as both Barrancabermeja or Buenaventura as these two make my "worst Colombia city list".

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Leelet
12/1/2018 10:51 EST

I am a single woman from sunny Southern California now living in Bogota for 2 years. I LOVE it.

The climate suits me perfectly. I have large picture windows facing the east and in the morning my apartment heats up to 80 degrees. I am wearing sundresses I would be wearing at the beach in So. Cal. Yes, at night, it gets cold but, an extra blanket on the bed solves that problem. I sleep with my kitchen windows wide open at night. I have a space heater that I seldom use. In the daytime, I carry a sweater and, if I go out at night, I wear a coat sometimes.

Yes, it rains but, only for an hour or so - quite livable actually.

Bogotanos have welcomed me. They have taught me Spanish, helped me get settled, shown me where to shop and how to get around. I have no Expat friends to rely on - locals are my main contact.

The city is quite cosmopolitan. I can't under why Bogota keeps getting so many negative comments.

To me, it's like fall weather all year around, The city is filled with lots of nightlife, culture, entertainment, and lovely people. The people are much nicer than in most American cities. And, I live in Cedritos, which I find very safe. I can actually walk to the market after sunset by myself.

I, for one, find Bogota a refreshing change. But to each his own.
I would not just discount it before I had a chance to experience it myself.

Don't let the naysayers make your decision for you. Be brave - live your life for yourself.

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WhoaNellie
12/1/2018 11:12 EST

City mouse, country mouse...the mice certainly have a wide variety of habitats to choose from in Colombia, enough to satisfy everyone.

You have to find what suits you, yourself - someone else can't really decide for you (unless you like being told what to do all the time).

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LaPiranha
12/1/2018 11:36 EST

Absolutely agree with you, Leelet.

I too, prefer the climate of Bogota. Continual heat does get very wearing sometimes. Add to that, the people, the culture, and of course, nightlife and whatever you look for, you will find in Bogota.

And yes, Cedritos is a lovely place to live, peaceful, cleaner, greener, and less pollution than the central areas. Its also right on the Transmilenio line for fast access to the center, and also the Autopista gives you fast access to escaping the city too.

And its not expensive either.

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Elexpatriado
12/1/2018 11:47 EST

Too big, too crowded, tranchones, cold and rainy (I prefer -20C and sun rather than foggy, rainy weather you would get in Scotland in winter and often in places like Bogota and Manizales), way more expensive than other citiesin Colombia.

If I had to work and had a good job there , I(Like I was kind of interested in when I first came to Colombia in 2012) I would live there no prooblem- but as an independent retiree, my last choice.

The only real positive thing is best place for connecting flights outside of Colombia. You dont have to rely on dismal internal Colombian aviation system.

That being said, there are nice pueblos and tourist sites outside of Bogota, but that can be said for most places in Colombia.

Only my opinion. I am not a "Big City" person. I like them up to 2 million max. And Bogota is not your world class big city.

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Elexpatriado
12/1/2018 11:55 EST

Never been to Barrancabermeja and dont plan to go. Hot refinery town on the Magdalena. Not interested iN Baranquilla either

And Tumaco..NEVER..ja ja


As far as the Taxistas in Bogota- yes they are harder to manage. And petty crime against "normal" (non drug related) people is higher than most other cities.

I find in generalthe Rolos friendlier and better people than a lot of people (like Paisas) give them credit for

But when people get squeezed together in big cities, their rudeness and coldness always escalates

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pocopelo
12/1/2018 16:23 EST

Bogota, a great place for brief visits, but to live? Well to each his own I suppose. If it weren't for the pollution I would actually consider living there full time. The city scores high for me on walkability. Never got bored walking there, take a new route every day. Better and more variety of restaurants than anywhere else in the country. There are neighbourhoods that are cleaner to the eye but make no mistake there is little difference in the air pollution. On a "clear" day the smoky pall can be seen over the entire valley. How many places can boast suspended mercury in the air?

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LaPiranha
12/2/2018 00:11 EST

But all we hear from Medellin folk is about the pollution and traffic there. And about the 'smokey pall' I have yet to see it in the north of the city (Bogota), but hear about Medellin's smokey pall frequently on these forums. I have properties in Cedritos, and on the northern edge of the city. Its very pleasant, with no hills to climb, as anywhere you need to go is flat.

So I guess when people slate Bogota, they seem to forget about their own area. And I have yet to hear of anyone having to pay protection money to the mobsters here in Bogota.

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pocopelo
12/2/2018 09:16 EST

You're deluding yourself if you think the air pollution lingers over just parts of the city. You will only see the pall at a distance, not in your immediate area, regardless of where you are situated. In any case, much air pollution is not visible to the naked eye at all. That's the insidious thing about it. Out of sight out of mind. Long term exposure shortens your lifespan.

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SkyMan
12/2/2018 10:44 EST

La...after reading all the posts, again...the one factor that seems to stick-out is that the majority of posters(on this site) really do not care for, or like Bogotá, period.

My main comment was the cold/rainy weather, but the "Do not like Bogotá" posters far outweigh the "Like Bogotá" posters. I realize that you...being from England or Scotland do not mind the weather(after all, that's all you have in your homeland). so the phrase "one man's Heaven is another man's Hell" seems to fit here. I wish you well in your beloved city, Bogotá and while we others live in sun-drenched cities, with warm temps. and enjoy it quite a bit. Buena Suerte ! Tranquilo.

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tammytravels
12/3/2018 07:47 EST

Do you not know flights to the US leave every day? Get on one and go back if you don't like it. Very simple.

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strydly
12/3/2018 08:07 EST

Tammy travels, not that simple if it was I'd obviously be doing that and not torn

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Electricista
12/3/2018 09:09 EST

strydly. Ask yourself: If there is a 95% chance of losing your fiance to another woman if you do not go and only a 5% chance of losing him if you did go, what would you do? I believe this issue is more about the relationship than the city. I have been in your shoes before and still regret that I made the wrong decision.

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mikedanbury
12/3/2018 11:16 EST

strydly, unless you're not telling us the whole story, I think you're being a little dramatic. It's 4 months not 4 years. If it's saying goodbye to your dog, saying goodbye to your fiance should be harder. Bogota isn't in the jungles. You can pretty much get all the comforts of home there. If you're quitting a good job that is another story but your response is a little vague about the job situation. If it has to do with your relationship and you're not sure about it than getting advice here is probably not your best choice.

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SkyMan
12/7/2018 16:14 EST

strydly...Have you ever heard this saying....."Analysis-to Paralysis" ? Well you an analyze till dooms day & not ever make a decision...so just decide one way or the other..."Come to Colombia with your love" (or) "Stay at home". Buena Suerte !

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morganstern
12/8/2018 09:41 EST

Bogota is fabulous for many.....

The weather factor is being overdone...if someone is looking for shorts and a tee shirt this is not the place. But short of that it is about 65 degrees every afternoon. The prices, the cost of things, are the lowest you will find in any Latin city. The really nice neighborhoods in Bogota are exactly that....really nice. They look like eastern U.S. cities with parks...trees....great supermarkets. And probably the cheapest cabs in Colombia along with great Uber service. I never needed to own a car in Bogota. Rent for trips outside the city and cabs and Uber in the city. It is hard to spend $5.00 on a taxi. Off to the market for $2.00 or less. The restaurants are fabulous, and necessary because Colombian food generally sucks. Beautiful bakery restaurant for waffles with fruit...$3.30! There are a couple of steak houses with edible steak, actually good. The buffet lunch at a 5 star hotel is $15.00...including the tip. I miss Bogota.

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morganstern
12/8/2018 09:41 EST

Bogota is fabulous for many.....

The weather factor is being overdone...if someone is looking for shorts and a tee shirt this is not the place. But short of that it is about 65 degrees every afternoon. The prices, the cost of things, are the lowest you will find in any Latin city. The really nice neighborhoods in Bogota are exactly that....really nice. They look like eastern U.S. cities with parks...trees....great supermarkets. And probably the cheapest cabs in Colombia along with great Uber service. I never needed to own a car in Bogota. Rent for trips outside the city and cabs and Uber in the city. It is hard to spend $5.00 on a taxi. Off to the market for $2.00 or less. The restaurants are fabulous, and necessary because Colombian food generally sucks. Beautiful bakery restaurant for waffles with fruit...$3.30! There are a couple of steak houses with edible steak, actually good. The buffet lunch at a 5 star hotel is $15.00...including the tip. I miss Bogota.

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morganstern
12/8/2018 09:41 EST

Bogota is fabulous for many.....

The weather factor is being overdone...if someone is looking for shorts and a tee shirt this is not the place. But short of that it is about 65 degrees every afternoon. The prices, the cost of things, are the lowest you will find in any Latin city. The really nice neighborhoods in Bogota are exactly that....really nice. They look like eastern U.S. cities with parks...trees....great supermarkets. And probably the cheapest cabs in Colombia along with great Uber service. I never needed to own a car in Bogota. Rent for trips outside the city and cabs and Uber in the city. It is hard to spend $5.00 on a taxi. Off to the market for $2.00 or less. The restaurants are fabulous, and necessary because Colombian food generally sucks. Beautiful bakery restaurant for waffles with fruit...$3.30! There are a couple of steak houses with edible steak, actually good. The buffet lunch at a 5 star hotel is $15.00...including the tip. I miss Bogota.

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Elexpatriado
12/8/2018 11:58 EST

Mirganstern, With all due respect, you know as well as anyone else tha t Bogota costs are not "cheaper then any other Latin City"

Example-Rent in a reasonable apartment is 30% higher than most Colombian cities

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morganstern
12/10/2018 12:13 EST

My reference is to any other MAJOR Latin city....cities with millions of people....Buenos Aires, Mexico City, Lima...etc.

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Elexpatriado
12/10/2018 13:05 EST

Yep- definitely cheaper than Lima..and not quite as much of a sh1t hole either

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SkyMan
12/15/2018 11:05 EST

strydly...If you are still following this topic.....What have you decided ? Stay in the U.S.A. of take the leap of faith with your love to Bogotá ? Whichever decision you make...I wish you well. Buena Suerte !

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cccmedia
12/15/2018 14:01 EST

Lima underservedly got a bad rap on this thread.

Sure, Callao (away from the airport) and some factory districts and parts of El Centro have 'mucho' room for improvement.

But Miraflores (if you don't mind speaking a little English to the locals from time to time), artsy Barranco and financial district San Isidro are just fine. A trip to Chinatown might be in order on a first-time visit to the Peruvian capital.

Just be a little choosier in your districts than LX seems to be.

cccmedia

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