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Julsfem
  10/25/2019 09:00 EST

Hi All, we are thinking of moving to Colombia, have been doing a lot of research and crime rate keeps coming up, how do you feel about that and can you comment. Any and all suggestion are highly appreciated, btw we are coming from Canada
Thank you

BeerLover74
  10/25/2019 12:14 EST

Depends on what part of Colombia. If someone asks you about the crime rate in the U.S. it'll be very different if you talk about crime in Atlanta,GA vs Seattle, WA.

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Julsfem
  10/25/2019 12:31 EST

Looking at overall safety, particularly in Cartagena, and Medellin.
Thank you

Blenheim
  10/25/2019 13:31 EST

Do not enter in to Colombia politics or trade union dispute arguments---here they shoot one rather than accusing one of being an Anglo racist--

Do not publicly be a leftist socialist Colombian college student---

Do not be involved in shady business transactions---money is an invitation to the grave--

High end estrata class Colombia women do not hang out in local bars looking for an Anglo--

If one hires a Campesino / Campesinos for work and then fire him / them --do so with a smile and pay him / them off-- (the reason ---you are currently out of money)

Do not display your rolex--do not dress like you can more than afford it--do not pull out cash for all to see--
keep money in a front pants pocket--not in a money belt pouch--very difficult for a pick pocket to pick out of one's front pocket---

At a late night restaurant departure have the restaurant call one for a cab rather than one going outside and flagging one--

carry 2 different credit cards in case of losing one etc--

SkyMan
  10/25/2019 16:21 EST

Juls.....I am not sure where in Canada you are from...but let's face it...crime in any city on the earth depends upon what "part" of the city you are in. And also, what time of the day or night it is. Whether you are in Toronto, Cleveland, L.A. or wherever...there's always "that area" where most of the violent crime occurs. I live here in Colombia...
Medellín to be exact and to be perfectly honest...I have not ever felt threatened in my years living here.

But...If You walk out of a disco at 2:00 a.m. wearing some gold chains and have been flashing some strong cash at the bar=the chance that you're gonna be hit is probably yes. So book that trip...come on down and put those "boots on the ground". Buena Suerte !

EpaEpaEpa
  10/25/2019 18:21 EST

Blenheim a friend and I were walking in Sosua, Republica Dominicana some years ago. I girl came alongside and was walking next to my friend. Next thing we know she dove her hand into his front pocket and it wasn't to play with his balls. He whacked her away but point is even front pockets aren't safe.

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Elexpatriado
  10/26/2019 07:07 EST

Canucks , espescially those that have never lived in a developing country or even travelled to these places ( and I am not talking about an All Inclusive in Veredero) and dont speak Spanish , should stay out of Colombia

Most are scared of thier own shadow and believe everything they read on CBC

Julsfem
  10/26/2019 09:16 EST

Well now, I don’t know about all that...I did live in Cleveland for 16 yrs, and that seems to be a very
low opinion of Canucks, I don’t watch CBC, and love Donald Trump...hahaha

Orion95
  10/26/2019 10:16 EST

So Portugal, Panama, Ecuador? I am researching as well. But don't get why the Trump supporters want to leave and take their income out of the U.S. economy.. Everything being so 'fine and dandy'. But hope all works out.

What exactly is a Canuck? A French Canadian? I googled it and it says it is currently used as a term for all Canadians. Inquiring minds want to know! Merci, mon ami.

Julsfem
  10/26/2019 10:34 EST

Hi Orion, canucks is a term people use for Canadians, just as Yankees is used the the USA,
I reside in Canada, so a Trump supported is a phrase, although I do believe he is doing some really good things for USA, and maybe if I still lived there would not feel the necessity to leave.
In Canada we have a clown that has really put Canada on its knees and he was chosen to continue with the wrecking ball, don’t know how that happened, but goes to show you, it’s easy to lead a herd of sheep, I am not down for that, would like to sell of any and all assets and take myself out of the equation. So looking at the options of downshifting, life hasn’t been easy, I was a single mom of two, most of their lives, so saving are not large. Would like to find a small community, hopefully close to the ocean or sea, not far from amenities and hospitals, lower crime rate, where I can start to enjoy life. I am tired of the politics

Julsfem
  10/26/2019 10:34 EST

Hi Orion, canucks is a term people use for Canadians, just as Yankees is used the the USA,
I reside in Canada, so a Trump supported is a phrase, although I do believe he is doing some really good things for USA, and maybe if I still lived there would not feel the necessity to leave.
In Canada we have a clown that has really put Canada on its knees and he was chosen to continue with the wrecking ball, don’t know how that happened, but goes to show you, it’s easy to lead a herd of sheep, I am not down for that, would like to sell of any and all assets and take myself out of the equation. So looking at the options of downshifting, life hasn’t been easy, I was a single mom of two, most of their lives, so saving are not large. Would like to find a small community, hopefully close to the ocean or sea, not far from amenities and hospitals, lower crime rate, where I can start to enjoy life. I am tired of the politics

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Orion95
  10/26/2019 10:51 EST

Well, I do agree with you about last part - quiet community near the ocean.
Funny, when I was in Costa Rica there was a couple staying at the same spot as I was. Their children were so well behaved I told them I was shocked to find they were from the U.S. I thought they had to be Canadian!

Orion95
  10/26/2019 10:57 EST

But at least here in the U.S. you wouldn't call anyone from the South, West Coast etc "Yankees'. Prob mostly east coast, northern part?

Maybe 'Gringos' is a better example? Altho I guess both (gringos and canucks) can be used derogatorily as well?

Electricista
  10/26/2019 12:18 EST

Julsfem: “a single mom of two, most of their lives” who believes Trump “is doing some really good things for USA” is like a homeless cancer victim voting for Mitch McConnell. It is amazing how one takes for granted the free healthcare system of Canada. You want a “lower crime rate” than Canada? Colombia is not for you.

spikerivet
  10/26/2019 15:39 EST

Uhh.... Hyeahh! right Electrista.

Interesting, here I thought the U.S. was the undisputed Capital of the world for people voting against their interests.

Orion95
  10/26/2019 15:51 EST

I could be wrong, but I don't think much of anywhere south of San Diego - well, maybe Antartica, Easter Islands, places like that - has a crime rate lower than Canada's.

peterv123
  10/26/2019 17:48 EST

You really have to change your thinking in regards to crime when you live in Central and South America. It's part of the culture and they have it backwards.
You will be living behind bars (on your window and doors), not the criminals. There are few consequences for crime here.
There are private guards everywhere.
In almost all big buildings, parks, schools, Even some little businesses and coffee shops. I think it will be a long time before Amazon functions here. They would need 2 people on every truck. One to guard the truck while the other makes the delivery. And then the package would be gone in 10 minutes if they left it on your step. Unless you live in a guarded unity.

ponymalta
  10/26/2019 17:54 EST

dont know how accurate but here is one world ranking

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

canada comes in at 75 of list of 123 countries. (i being most crime least safe)

a lot depends on where one lives, i recall a few years ago an analysis of usa that if one took out 15 largest cities usa safety ranked quite high.

ponymalta
  10/26/2019 17:59 EST

Orion95

i know a few people who have chosen portugal and they are quite happy there but say key is getting away from tourist towns.

ponymalta
  10/26/2019 17:59 EST

Orion95

i know a few people who have chosen portugal and they are quite happy there but say key is getting away from tourist towns.

Orion95
  10/26/2019 18:03 EST

Crime rate by country - World Population Review.
Canada 47th
Colombia 88th
If my count was correct.
Only Latin American country above Canada was Cuba, if you can trust their stats.
U.S. is between Canada and Colombia.

smmoravec
  10/26/2019 18:14 EST

LOL! Yeah... I live in happy low crime east side of Salt Lake. I see postings of Amazon deliveries being stolen on a nearly daily basis.

Julsfem
  10/26/2019 20:04 EST

General:
Guys, I explained my situation and my view on things not to get criticism, (eletrictricista), but to say that financially difficult in Canada’s, and I don’t want to play politics, also I have seen the statistics, and do know that Colombia is high in crime, my question is to you Expats, with the high criminal rate, you are living there and seem to be happy, for whatever reasons you chose to move there, do you feel safe, and what areas are safer?
Just looking for some honest advise, please.
Thank you

tubes
  10/26/2019 20:11 EST

Certainly Colombia does have much crime, often related to drug gangs. Every city has its dangerous areas where you do not go even in daylight hours but you can easily find out where they are and avoid them. Streets where there are lots of people are generally safe but certainly not empty streets late at night.
Taxis are cheap and there is no reason to be out walking late at night.

Orion95
  10/26/2019 20:22 EST

I am not there, but I have literally yet to hear from anyone on this site disparaging living in Colombia. Which is somewhat at odds with its reputation, much of which seems to stem from events occurring some time ago.
It does have one of the highest murder rates in the world but that seems pretty specific to certain areas and activities.
Portugal might be better in some ways tho perhaps not as affordable.

SkyMan
  10/27/2019 11:23 EST

pony...I have a friend who is in Portugal right now, checking things out...for a possible move. He's rented a really nice apto. thru Airbnb for a ridiculously low price...and will be there two(2) months, till rainy season is long gone. A retired
veternarian friend has an apto, in Portugal and spends 6 months there & 6 months here in Medellín. Buena suerte !

ponymalta
  10/27/2019 12:56 EST

Skyman

Yea there are some advantages being in a first world country and I know a few people who have either chosen Portugal or spend so many months a year there. (Though the accent drives me crazy). Parts of eastern Europe can be appealing and relatively affordable.Yet the sheer cost advantage of Colombia and weather around Medellin still a string plus.

Elexpatriado
  10/27/2019 22:42 EST

Where I live in Floridablanca Santander it is quite safe.

Manizales Caldas is quite safe too.One statistic I saw was 100 murders in a year which works out to 20 per 100000 which is quiite low for a Latin American city.

And most of these are gangs kiling each other.

Rest of the cities in Colombia not so.much.Medellin and Cartagena depending which barrio.

peterv123
  10/28/2019 08:21 EST

Here in Medellin I am not in fear of getting accosted. Not really worried about that type of crime. Just have to be on guard all the time against the thievery.

SkyMan
  10/28/2019 11:00 EST

Juls...when you read the violent crime-rate, murder-rate online...yes, it gives you some numbers to read and compare......but most of us who have lived here for a while have learned about the general "if it's not bolted-down it'll be gone in the morning mentality" of most Latinos, not just Colombia. In Ecuador, I had my LP gas cannister stolen from my terrace(which was surrounded by a 7 ft. high brick wall) & I was in a low-crime section of town. The night it was stolen, I did not hear a thing. It is just the way it is here.

Life can be good, but it's not ever gonna be exactly like in the U.S. or Canada. Just know that going in. again...book that flight & see for yourself. Concerning your being criticized...well, those of us who live here have become somewhat "jaded" at some of the questions we receive on the site & respond. Don't take it too personally.You cannot EVER know all the answers prior to expatting...some times life just has to happen, not be a totally pre-planned event...O.K. Buena Suerte !

Electricista
  10/28/2019 11:16 EST

Manizales: 100 murders, Vancouver: 44.

Below is an interesting link to show how low the murder rate is in Canada. I wish they had a statistics of unsolved murders between the two countries. The Mounties "always get their man" while in Colombia they might get lucky once in awhile.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101

smmoravec
  10/28/2019 11:52 EST

You have to take into account the reporting mechanisms also. Sorry, but here in the U.S. crimes are reported consistently. Most other countries they aren't. So it's really comparing apples and oranges.

LaPiranha
  10/28/2019 19:20 EST

Julsfem ..... Your wish to be by the ocean or sea is understandable, for I too love to be near the water. Don't forget that is at "sea level", where its hot. really hot.

But I wonder how you will cope, coming from Canada, where it is cool, and very cold in the winter. Many folk dream about moving to somewhere hot, but its ok in Cartagena for a few days vacation, but to live there, it can be unbearable after a week.

I live in Bogota, where the altitude makes it like a spring day all year round. If I want somewhere warmer, I just drive down the mountains for 2 hours, and I'm in really warm places. If I want it hotter, a 3 hour trip and I'm in Melgar. But I always want to come back after a few days, to the cooler weather of Bogota. The heat is ok for holidays, but can be really oppressive to live there.

I hope you have thought about that. Its gonna be a bit different from Canada.

EpaEpaEpa
  10/28/2019 19:57 EST

There was a brouhaha some years ago in Cali when it was claimed the police understated the number of murder deaths. The police chief responded: we count the number of people find dead, we don't go around to the clinicas to find out which of the wounded have died later. Pretty reasonable I think.

Julsfem
  10/28/2019 20:33 EST

Hi LaPiranha, seems lately I can not get enough heat, but you are right that it can get stagnant. My thought is I want to start somewhere hot, see how I can tolerate that, considering there would be air conditioning in the home, and worst case scenario, we would be coming with light weight suitcases, and can move. I think my fear is fear... to always be the target there, I don’t have much but I don’t want to fear for my life. Looking for a nice place to retire at a reasonable cost.
Thank you for your advise, and thank you all who took the time to answer my questions.
Be safe

FrozenPonds
  11/4/2019 08:31 EST

I have been going down regularly to visit my girlfriend for the past year and thank goodness she speaks Spanish AND English as I would be lost. Haha

In the time I have been going down there, have never encountered any issues. (knock on wood) It is a bit surreal though seeing army and Police with such heavy weaponry but if you understand the countrys history it is even more understandable. I love Colombia but like anywhere in the world if you are looking for trouble, it will be easy for trouble to find you!

FrozenPonds
  11/4/2019 08:33 EST

And PS.... Colombia is a great place to go to get out of Canada!!! Seeing the virtue signalling blackfaced groping hypocrite is enough to send me packing!!!

JustSomeGuy
  11/4/2019 09:48 EST

I would like to say four things about that:

1. I think we’ve mostly agreed that it is better, to the extent we can, to keep political commentary in its own thread. Perhaps you could start a “Canadian politicians suck” thread.

2. You mustn’t compare politicians to people, it is apples and oranges.

3. Seriously!? You are going to complain about Canadian politicians in a room full of Americans? For Pete’s sake, look a couple hundred miles south and count your blessings. I’m not saying you guys don’t have the bottom of the barrel running the show up there, just that our barrel is wider and deeper, no offense meant.

4. Well, I don’t remember the fourth now, drat, it was clever and insightful too. I’ll get back to you if I remember it later.

Elexpatriado
  11/4/2019 15:46 EST

Just some guy

You dont have to llve with Trudeau..We do
You guys have a few hollywood actors threating to renounce their citizenship and moce to Canada.

We have whole regions of the country wanting to separate

Orion95
  11/4/2019 16:46 EST

I have to wonder about some of these faux future expats. Esp the ones that can't wait to leave and sneak in at the end of their posts a putdown of Canada????!! Are you kidding? Guess not. I know you can prob make the same criticism about me and some comments about the U.S. if you research my posts but I have been to S.A. before - my father lived in Chile and Argentina for 14 years pre WWII - and really am researching and planning an investigatory trip. So I even read all the EPS posts.

SkyMan
  11/4/2019 17:07 EST

Concerning "Crime In Colombia"...I posted a new topic titled "Just the Numbers"...which this lists the current violent crime rate in Medellin. It gives stats. thru November 2nd...Check it out. Buena Suerte !

Orion95
  11/4/2019 17:17 EST

Take that as more of a comnent than a complaint, esp not a complaint about a complaint.! I just never realized Canada was such a dystopian nightmare..... Will try to remember to use Politics thread. We just have to remember their are posters on these sites that don't necess even believe what they say, just trying to stir things up.

smmoravec
  11/4/2019 18:45 EST

Yeah... in the U.S., I think everyone WANTS California to break off... LOL!

smmoravec
  11/4/2019 18:49 EST

There are a lot of good places to retire to in Latin America. I lived in various places on the Yucatan that I very much enjoyed. If you speak Spanish, that goes a long way also, locals always appreciate that and that in turn makes live more pleasant. If I did not have a large family here (four kids, nine grandkids), I would definitely plan on it. U.S. dollars go so much farther. I am definitely excited about discovering Colombia and and very grateful to the many posts regarding good places that y'all have enjoyed living. Who knows... might be neighbors one day. Not one to rule out the possibility.

JustSomeGuy
  11/4/2019 19:55 EST

You’re right Elex, I shouldn’t make light of your suffering. Sorry.

It might be some consolation to know that over time the constant humiliation gets easier to bear. I know from painful experience.

Wildstubby
  11/4/2019 21:38 EST

Prior to visiting Colombia, I was a frequent contributor and friends with the fellow who hosted the now-defunked 'Colombiahelp.com' website. One of the things that he said was that the more times you visit Colombia, the greater the chances you will be a victim of crime there. Suffice to say he was spot on with his assessment!

smmoravec
  11/5/2019 08:54 EST

Wildstubby.... this is a very interesting observation. Can you elaborate? Are you referring to the fact that being an expat or a visiting foreigner draws attention if you are repeatedly being seen in the same locations?

I would have to say that my travels to Eastern Europe and the Middle East were the opposite. As I learned and understood the local cultures better, I also learned how to better avoid situations where I would become the victim of a crime. Of course... most of the crime I was exposed to was pickpocketing and dishonest restaurants (literally has separate menus for Westerners with higher prices). As far as pickpocketing... very simple rules to follow to avoid that. Plus, I am a large man and most petty criminals look for easy marks, not big bald Americans that as going to give you a thrashing if caught.

dbarnwell
  11/5/2019 12:03 EST

I think Blenheim's list is valuable. Especially the warning about firing a Colombian employee. It is vital that you follow all the end of job paperwork, otherwise you could be hit later for costs. Beware that an employee can invent complaints after being fired--this happened to a friend of mine, and she had to pay fairly substantial damages to the employee, a muchacha del servicio, on the basis of absolutely spurious and false complaints. But all this pales in comparison to the possibility, I would think it is more likely out in the campo, of getting yourself in real physical danger if a former employee has a vendetta against you. You may be furious with the employee, s/he may have been dipping into your wallet for years, but pay off with A Big Smile, and even throw in an aguinaldo or something for his wife or children. You want that person Out Of Your Life for good.

Wildstubby
  11/5/2019 18:25 EST

smmoravec, I think that was crime in general. I was a victim at El Dorado. I got caught with the old 'pump-fake'. I just entered onto the hotel shuttle when a man comes up and wants to make sure I had the correct luggage. I got off the shuttle and while I was directed to the back of the bus, his accomplice entered the bus and stole my laptop bag. Fortunately, I my money, and passport on my person. My friend was an expat. He first started out as an international bank investigator in Bogota and then became an entrepreneur making women's purses and handbags and sending them off to Florida to sell to the Latinas that lived there. I know he got hit up by the pick-pocketeers but he also lost $5K that 2 of his employees stole from him. He thought they also had a hit on him but it was caught by the National Police. So I would say it goes from one extreme to the other. Elex can comment about his experience in Manizales a few years ago, even though he wasn't the victim, (lucky for him!).

Orion95
  11/5/2019 22:42 EST

Well, smorevac. California has a lot of forest fires right now. It also has twice the GDP of Russia, which real Republican John McCain called "a service station masquerading as a country".
Just as an aside, I've known a lot of people from Utah. I've only heard my British father use the term "thrashing". LOL

Orion95
  11/5/2019 22:52 EST

In Costa Rica the hot local English speaking chick with an exciting story sat next to me on the bus. When we went got off the bus at the lunch stop between the Nicaraguan border and San Jose I told her I honestly halfway wished someone would steal it. Too damn heavy and nothing of value. I saw her speaking with some guy when we got off. The backpack was there when I got back. I'm pretty sure she warned him off.

dbarnwell
  11/6/2019 10:38 EST

Orion95

Try not to throw away comments which other users might find tendentious. This is not the place for politics. I found your reference to "real Republican John McCain" offensive, but I will not respond further.

Orion95
  11/6/2019 11:53 EST

dbarnwell- the comment was a response to a post on this thread denigrating part of our country. Shocking you disagree that John McCain was a real Republican (I'm not a Republican myself). And an American war vet and hero! Sorry if you disagree.

Orion95
  11/6/2019 11:58 EST

I did like your use of the word 'tendentious'. Had to look it up. Kudos.

JaimeC
  11/6/2019 14:31 EST

Beware of a guy named Cesar (common Jewish surname, blocked for some odd reason) that I ran across in Medellin. He has a NY accent speaks fluent Spanish, in his 40s. He will scam you with some hard luck story. He got me for not too much money (was trying for more). A heartless, sociopath bottom feeder. BTW claims he was a options trader in NYC.

Orion95
  11/6/2019 17:47 EST

Yeah, it is really weird that name is blocked. Starts with a 'C' and ends with an 'n' - 5 letters.
No idea why.

JaimeC
  11/6/2019 19:28 EST

Bingo! How did u guess??

Wildstubby
  11/6/2019 19:43 EST

This isn't the same gringo who would panhandle outside near centro comercial Oviedo?

JustSomeGuy
  11/6/2019 20:06 EST

Orion95:
I was sent into paroxysms of rage by your comment about Mr. McCain. I’m having a little trouble focusing my emotions though and was hoping you could help me out with that. Was your clearly partisan comment meant as a compliment or an insult? I am mortified by my lack of discernment. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Orion95
  11/6/2019 21:45 EST

It was meant as a compliment. Did you read his quote about Russia? He is someone who I frequently disagreed with but who generally behaved with class and dignity. Whether or not you or I agreed with
the Vietnam War - I didn't - his time as a POW was heroic. I made the reference to California having twice the GDP - nearly - of Russia, which is true, because I believe there are posters all over social media trying to sow dissent among US citizens - I don't think most citizens of the U.S. want California to secede - leading up to the election. We may disagree among ourselves but don't need to be encouraged by outsiders with ulterior motives.
Now, I have never actually seen a 'paroxysm' but hate to think I may be responsible for that! :-)

Orion95
  11/6/2019 21:52 EST

Call me naive, but I thought sociopathic bottom feeder and options trader were kind of interchangeable!

I've tried using the name nehoC backward before and it just spits it out for some reason! No idea why.

Julsfem
  11/6/2019 22:26 EST

Now that sounds a little antisemitic to me

Julsfem
  11/6/2019 22:35 EST

Just watched a really good documentary about that...
The devil next door... on Netflix
Sooner or later they all get caught... just saying

JaimeC
  11/6/2019 23:18 EST

I have been on the internet since the early eighties when it was called the arpanet and have never encountered this weirdness. Looks like the backward spelling made it thru this time. Anyway this "nehoC" douchebag is about 5' 8' somewhat slight build dark brn hair, brn eyes.

Prospector
  11/7/2019 00:21 EST

Especially not now.....Its coming off the rails in many parts of the country now........Crime and violent crime has skyrocketed........You might consider Pedasi, Panama........But dont buy anything for a year........just rent, keepit simple, and if it turns out its not your cup of tea then you can boogie on into the sunset........Or Canoa, Ecuador.......No real decent, safe beach communities in Colombia really.......altho there are some nice beaches...........But all managed by Paramilitary gangs..........And with this govt its not gonna go away...........

Elexpatriado
  11/7/2019 07:53 EST

I have been living in Colombia 7 years and have not been a crime vicrtim.once.

If you walk around with a nervous nellie paranoid "Deer in the Headlights" look dando papaya, of course you are going to be victimized.

Same with getting taken advantage of generally by both sexes.

Elexpatriado
  11/7/2019 09:39 EST

Prospector..you are peddling false information ..probably to scare off the newbies

I have been to many many beaches in Colombia, they were all nice, safe and no paramilitary presense

Only place I have run into paracos is in the back country of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta..and they were respectful to me, because they had a pact with the cops to leave the foriegners alone

Still considering the type of people on this sforum(generally naive people who havent travelled in 3rd world countries much and speak little Spanush) it is probably better to give a worst case opinion of Colombia.

Elexpatriado
  11/7/2019 09:44 EST

Jaime C

There are all types of lieing , scheming, dishonest people in Colombia-as well as naive delusional types.. Expats maybe even more than Colombians

Keep that in mind when reading the posts on this site.

As Morganstern says- dont believe what is written here ,,take everything with a grain of salt..and find out for yourself.

Trust but verify. Assume everyone is lieing, everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

This aint Kansas, Dorothy

Orion95
  11/7/2019 10:29 EST

Prospector - looking at past posts you say you have a 'finca' in Panama. So you live in Panama, quite well evidently, but know about 'out of control' crime next door in Colombia, a large country with almost 50 million people.

SkyMan
  11/7/2019 10:41 EST

Note: There is a Political-Post-topic on this site...Please use it. Buena Suerte !

JaimeC
  11/7/2019 12:36 EST

14 years in Latin America in 3 different countries. Rare that I get scammed. This Cesar pendejo got me for less than I pay my domestica. But what burns me is he knew my debit card didn't work and I had limited funds (which he wouldn't have gotten anyway). I do lament that way too many see Latin America thru gringo lenses and they will get their culos handed to them.

Orion95
  11/7/2019 12:40 EST

No big deal to lose a little money trying to do the right thing. It is the person that continues to throw more and more money away despite all the evidence that is just willfully stupid! IMO

Elexpatriado
  11/7/2019 13:52 EST

"Willfully"being thevoperating word

It is not the money ..it is the principal...makes me sorry for the human race sometlmes...

Nobody likes to be mistaken for a walking cajero

JustSomeGuy
  11/7/2019 17:43 EST

Your responsibility in other people’s outrage is minimal. If one is inclined in that direction he will find something to be upset about, no matter how trivial.

I highly recommend paroxysms, they are great exercise, really get the heart rate up and they burn lots of calories. They used to be rare but are getting more common as people find more reasons to be outraged, so your chances of seeing one are improving.

Of course like any exercise program you want to ease into it, start with conniption fits and work your way up. If you get to apoplectic you need to back off a little.

Orion95
  11/7/2019 17:51 EST

I guess. I just lift weights and do the stairmaster!

Elexpatriado
  11/8/2019 12:48 EST

I listen to Black Label Society when.pushing weights in the gym.Gets me really oumped up.Have to.make sure I dont over do.it and injure myself at my age.

Run 6 km uphill in the evenong

Then do yoga and meditation before bed
Sometimes yoga in the morni g

Typical day

Weekends rigourous hiking trips

Prospector
  11/8/2019 22:31 EST

He probably was......It would make sense.....

Prospector
  11/8/2019 22:48 EST

Geez....so when do yo find time to get down to some serious drinking? Ron Caldas o Ron Medellin de 5 o 8........Whats the point in hanging out in Colombia if you dont aprovechar the good (altho slightly overpriced) rum? Lo siento pero no entiendo.........

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