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2amilano
8/26/2019 03:26 EST

Does anyone know for our 2nd renewal do we need all the same financial docs? This time we will have an Italian and US tax return and our Italian bank. During our last visit to the Milano Questura they gave us some trouble because we were showing our "income" into our US bank. This year we have put money into our Italian bank but not sure if we need all the backup with investment accounts and Social Security. Any experience on this would be helpful. Thanks all!

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Shtinky
8/26/2019 04:03 EST

I think each Questura is different with different requirements, unfortunately. We always show what we used to move here originally. So I’d assume you will need to show whatever they required the first time. We are on our 6th Permesso and we only ever show our income in the US. Social security and investment balances. No bank accounts.

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rsetzer99
8/26/2019 05:20 EST

Yeah, everyone is going to find a different set of rules. Our questura did not seem to have any interest in tax returns. They were just interested in verification that we were getting a monthly stream of XX. Where it was going they did not much care. We showed an Italian bank account statement with a decent balance and our US bank statement with a somewhat lesser balance. -- It is taking forever this time (our first renewal). put docs in back end of November and they are still listed as in process on the poliziadistato site. --- as is trendy these days, we blame the Brits.

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codybrandy
8/26/2019 05:43 EST

Shtinky (I'm sure you're not) we also are on our 3rd renewal (Liguria is 2yrs btn renewals) and are going to look into the permanent residency. I know you have to be resident for at least 5 yrs...have you thought about it and if so...what do you recommend? Thanx

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Shtinky
8/26/2019 05:58 EST

OMG. Yes we would love to get it but we are told they won’t do it here in Umbria. I’ve talked to people who’ve been here years and can’t get it. I’ve also talked to people in other areas. Two did manage to get it. Most, did not. The official polizia site gives the requirements, all of which we meet. But as you probably know, they make the rules. And they change with location and over time. We are planning to hire an immigration lawyer next year. It must be someone who knows people and can pull the necessary strings.. We will have been residents for 5 years in December.

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Shtinky
8/26/2019 06:01 EST

PS - this is called the EU Permit to Stay. Used to be Carta di Soggiorno. As it is an EU document I can’t understand how Italy arbitrarily won’t issue them. Oh well,

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2amilano
8/26/2019 06:26 EST

In our second year we applied and paid for a 2 year Permesso but were told that since our income only showed in US bank they wouldn't do it. This year we are showing regular $$$ going into our Italian bank account. We will try again this year. Of coarse they will take the 2 year payment and then decide whether they will give it or only 1 year. Fingers crossed. We'll add the information on SS and investments again for safety's sake. Thanks for all the input
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Shtinky
8/26/2019 06:36 EST

Ha. We tried that too. No Go. When we went to the Questura they said they had good news, and bad news. The bad news was we couldn’t get a 2 year Permesso. The good news was we could get a refund of the additional €20 we had paid! All we had to do was buy a €16 Marca da Bollo and go to the Poste and stand in line for our €4 remaining refund. ??????????

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2amilano
8/26/2019 06:40 EST

Well at least Shtinky's story made me laugh. So thank you for the story and the laugh.

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Shtinky
8/26/2019 07:51 EST

It is Italy, after all...you have to laugh or you cry!

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shelbyt
8/26/2019 09:58 EST

It does seem to be true that different sets of rules are applied in different cities/provinces. I live in Florence and I was not required to submit any financial documents to obtain my first 2 year permesso.. Then when I applied for my second 2 year permesso they also did not require the financial information. Maybe they are just using the financial information I submitted for my first 1 year permesso. Maybe they are using the financial information I originally submitted at the beginning.

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