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arlogirl
7/14/2020 13:07 EST

I am considering a temporary relocation to Mexico (from Oregon) during this time when my kids (10 and 12) are distance learning due to COVID. This has actually been a long dream of mine and given that work and school is now remote, it seems like a potentially good time to do it? That said, if we have to be shut ins and not be able to explore, I am not sure it makes sense?

I would love to hear thoughts about places to go or general advice given these unique circumstances.

We would like a place that has good internet access, not a crazy or super loud city, options for language learning (if possible given COVID), cultural immersion, family friendly.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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GTGJimmy
7/14/2020 15:36 EST

That's a tough question - I normally go to MX about 2 weeks/mth for work. I just returned from 2 weeks in MX, first trip back since early March. I was only in San Luis Postosi and Puebla this trip. Normally, I would recommend Puebla, just a cool city, good food, history, etc. But, it was locked down when I was there - nothing open, only stores. SLP was a bit more open, but restrictions on bars/restaurants, masks required, limited seating, etc. SLP did open their large park while I was there - popular with the kids.

I am going back to MX in a couple of weeks and plan to stay a month (part for work/part for vacation). I have also considered going to Oaxaca (I personally love it there) and stay for a month in Sept/Oct -still thinking about that - only hesitation is the same as yours.

There are others on this board that live in MX full time, they may be able to offer some better insight.

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hookturn
7/14/2020 16:15 EST

The borders are closed right now for an indeterminate time. I was heading down to town I was moving into when the virus struck. That particular town is barricaded against outsiders. I don't know how you could get across the border. I get the Mexico Daily News, it's pretty informative. Good Luck

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LAKingsFan
7/14/2020 16:38 EST

I'm in the State of Mexico and things have been re-opening rapidly. You can now go to a restaurant, but your party may be split up among different tables to maintain "sana distancia". They still want you to wear a facemask and use gel and some places will take your temperature before letting you in. If you go to smaller places that are off the beaten track things get much more lax and almost feel like we are back to normal.

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LeiaRowan
7/15/2020 06:01 EST

wow, Just stay where you are until this virus is over. What part of "American passports are not good right now" don't you understand.
The world is not your playground.
The US is the most diseased place in the world right now.
Please stay home !!!

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hrlee7804
7/15/2020 10:06 EST

Without residency I doubt you can get south into Mexico.

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longtimelurker
7/15/2020 14:51 EST

Hrlee, not true. The border is open for tourists going south

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Billfishead
7/16/2020 10:14 EST

Don't come down here now. It is not the time to explore with children or anyone else for that matter. There's a worldwide pandemic. When we return to the new normal then yes, please come, explore the beautiful country and it's loving people. I'm a resident and live in the Yucatan. I have nothing but love and respect for the people and the culture. Always remember, this is their country and not ours or any other expats. We are guests in their country and they are kind enough to accept us, Have the courtesy and respect to respond in kind while you're here and you will have an unbelievably fantastic experience.

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kikipt
7/16/2020 11:15 EST

I appreciate your comments, and agree that in general Mexicans are very nice people. But I have to strongly disagree with the idea that this is "their" country and not ours as well. As free people we should be able to live where we wish to live.

The idea that some people 'belong' and others don't, unless they have special permission, is exactly what leads so many in America to harass their neighbors and to tell them to "go back where you came from". It would also seem to be at the root of the racism and classism that discriminates against indigenous peoples in Mexico.

I was just reading about a black woman on Long Island who has had feces and dead animals thrown on her lawn, and had heavily armed neighbors circling her property at night and telling her that she can be "erased". This sort of behavior is the logical result of people having the idea that some people belong and others do not.

As a resident of Mexico I am just as interested in the well being of this country as everyone else, and I should have the same rights as others in expressing an opinion. Too often we are quick to dismiss the views of expats as invalid - which is pretty much what the US government does to people in America. It strikes me as unjust and indifferent to human and civil rights there, so I would have to say it is the same when practiced anywhere else. There is plenty wrong with Mexico (including a sky-high murder rate, kidnappings, etc. - as well as health-care personnel being attacked because large swaths of the population have limited education, and do not understand what is happening with this pandemic) and if we can be part of the effort to improve the lives of all people, is that not the best thing we can do anywhere we live?

Just food for thought.

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longtimelurker
7/16/2020 14:15 EST

Billfishead, are you a health professional?

The Mexican government is open for tourism. Their health professionals have set guidelines for businesses. More airline flight, more resorts opening.


If you don't want to be around tourist than stay in your home. It is a simple as that.

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morepaul
7/16/2020 14:39 EST

Cannot disagree with some of your comment kIKIPT. however the rule of law must be adhered to otherwise chaos ensues.
Regarding borders. In this current world system there are people in power behind the curtain that would like nothing more than to have a One World Order and government with no bountries which unfortunately would not serve the best interest for all people at this time. Perhaps later as we evolve.

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LeiaRowan
7/16/2020 15:39 EST

Yes kikipt I agree with you and I think Bill does too,.. it is the country of those who live there. If you are resident of Mexico, you belong in Mexico,..
What i meant and I think Bill does too is do not come now during the time of plague in the US,
My Irish cousins have been cocooning for four long miserable months, Ireland is just now seeing the curve flattening. They are starting to be able to go out again,.. and what happens, planes from the US start landing and spewing out tourists from Texas and Florida, two of the worst plague areas,.. they spread all through Ireland without masks and not caring about anything!!
The poor Irish are fearing a new round of plague and all because those in the US cannot stay home.
I don't want that to happen in Mexico of for all the gringos still in the US, please stay home until you have your plague under control,.. that is what was meant.!!

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kikipt
7/16/2020 16:01 EST

At a time when pandemics, economic collapse and climate change leave little opportunity for things staying the same, perhaps that evolution will happen sooner rather than later. I may still not be around for it, but I would like to think that my granddaughter might. Right now all the chaos in the world is keeping my my curiosity peaked!

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kikipt
7/16/2020 16:03 EST

I should also point out that digital technology is making borders more porous all the time. The hacks against major players on the world stage yesterday shows how fragile our laws and boundaries actually have become.

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delta90064
7/16/2020 19:05 EST

From the SOS website. Restrictions are land only. Tourism is OK if you enter by air, but not by land.

"Entry and Exit Requirements:

The United States and Mexico entered a joint initiative March 21 restricting non-essential travel along the U.S.-Mexico land border to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus. Non-essential travel includes travel that is considered tourism or recreational in nature. The restrictions are in place until at least July 21.
Travelers entering Mexico by land from the United States may be denied admission if the purpose of their visit is considered non-essential. Travelers should carry evidence of the essential nature of their visit and evidence of their resident status in Mexico, if applicable.
Passengers and aircrew members arriving at Mexican airports may be subject to health screenings including temperature checks. Those exhibiting symptoms may be subject to additional health screening and/or quarantine.
Travelers entering Mexico via land may be subject to health screen including temperature checks. Travelers may experience significant delays and face the possibility of being returned to the United States or quarantined in Mexico.
Mexican Immigration (INM) continues to provide law enforcement and public counter services across Mexico. However, due to reduced staffing, members of the public might experience long wait times for routine services. INM recommends monitoring its website and Twitter account for information about its current operating status."

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Billfishead
7/17/2020 10:56 EST

Nope, but I'm not a smart ass either!

A lot of the country is under CODE RED. Where I live in the Yucatan, the Governor has re-imposed "Ley Seca" and a nightly curfew for the foreseeable future. There are currently no hospital beds available for COVID-19 patients in the state. The confirmed cases, grows at a daily rate of 2% and the death rate of confirmed cases is 10.6% and climbing.
Restaurants are only open for indoor dining Monday - Friday at 25% capacity and carryout/delivery only on the weekends. Stores are required to close by 6pm. Face masks are a requirement for everyone in public and only 2 persons in a car at one time are allowed.
So you may be able to get in the country but it doesn't mean everything is open to tourism and back to normal. And Yes, I'll stay home as they have asked us to do.

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longtimelurker
7/18/2020 10:45 EST

Who are you to tell people to:

"Don't come down here now. It is not the time to explore with children or anyone else for that matter. There's a worldwide pandemic."

Tourism is one of the largest sources of income. There are people all around Merida that are hungry. In resort areas people are starting to STARVE. When you live day to day you have to work to eat.

You can sit around your home and still collect your money. So you stay inside and let others live their lives.

The Mexican government is opening the country. The government knows that 99% of the population will survive this virus. The people won't survive the lock downs with the nonsense regulations thrust upon them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83hrRvtdg4&t=2s

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morepaul
7/18/2020 11:21 EST

AGREE....and "nonsense regulation" is accurately stated. Mexican people must work to survive and tourism plays an important role in that equation

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LeiaRowan
7/18/2020 13:34 EST

Nonsense yourself,. It is a pandemic, and 99% will not survive, survival in most places is between 91 and 94%, which means about 4million Mexicans could die.

gringoes stay home,..!!

if you are in Mexico, at least wear a mask.
Americans do not own the world.

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longtimelurker
7/19/2020 08:58 EST

Leia, There are a lot more people coming to Mexico as tourists than people from the USA. It is not only Americans. Canadians, Europeans, South Americans and Asians.

Covid is a nasty nasty virus. The "Science" has shown that Covid has aerosolized. It is going to KILL people, especially older people.. Social distancing and masks won't stop it. Lock downs only delay it.
Get rid of all these BS, differing regulations and guidelines.

People have to work to eat in Mexico. There are no $1200 checks or unemployment. If you are afraid of this virus than YOU STAY HOME.

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kikipt
7/19/2020 11:00 EST

Lurker - Just stop with the misinformation. If you are unwilling or unable to do enough research to know what you are talking about, just STFU! There are epidemiologists who know a lot more about this than some armchair geezer with a personal agenda.

If you are going to use 'big words' like aerosolized, learn what they mean. The virus is very small, and is transmitted through aerosolized particles and droplets when one breathes, speaks or sings. Risk increases depending on the quantity and longevity of exposure.

Social distancing and masks WILL significantly reduce risk and slow the transmission because they reduce the quantity of particles being transmitted through the air or in droplets. Not wearing protective gear is foolish and irresponsible, because it protects all parties involved, not just the wearer. Please be a responsible member of society.

The delaying accomplished by lockdowns is to reduce the stress on the medical system, so massive numbers of people are not flooding the hospitals at the same time. It also bides time to develop new therapies and a possible vaccine, though vaccine development will likely take quite a while, as current studies are showing limited longevity in the effectiveness of antibodies. Many trials are trying to find methods to boost T-cells to improve the chances, but these approaches have not been successful with other coronaviruses, and may not work this time either. I have good friends who are working on teams that are developing therapies and vaccines, and they are not impressed with the spin being put on their work by the press in order to paint a rosy picture for political ends.

Trying to achieve 'herd immunity' is a very risky (and possibly fruitless) approach that will result in massive numbers of deaths and infections. (This is viral, not bacterial - they affect communities in very different ways.)

The biggest problem right now is lack of information about long-term impacts. The virus affects many organs in unpredictable ways, leaving heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, and brain tissues seriously compromised. These may well be lifelong problems that incur great medical cost. If that sounds like fun to you, then continue to listen to idiots instead of scientists. After all, scientists have only devoted their lives to studying these issues, and how could they possibly know more than some old fart sitting on his sofa in Mexico?

The ONLY sensible objective right now is to contain the virus by any means possible - PERIOD! The economy will not rebound until that is accomplished. Business will not return if people feel threatened by this disease, and it is NOT just old people who are affected. People of all ages are being killed or left with compromised health. It isn't just about the mortality rate (which in Mexico is very high.)

The regulations are there to protect everyone. Stop whining about your inconvenience and just follow them. Then try to pressure the government to give food assistance to those who need it. Pretending that everything will just work out if we just ignore it is incredibly stupid.

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morepaul
7/19/2020 12:16 EST

Hostility toward another poster will never achieve your objective. Lets take this example; Your a mexican male with 2 children and a wife who you love dearly. You are watch these children in many cases go without breakfast, lunch and dinner because you cannot work that 12 hour a day job 6 days a week to earn any pesos since the economy is shut down. So here is the choice; do you watch the family suffer greatly and perhaps even die from malnutrition because of no food on the table or does the government open up the market so people can work and feed the family? Yes it is possible that you may catch this virus but the odds right now show earning money for the family.far, far outweighs the low risk currently catching this virus and ending up dying.
I just ran the numbers for Mexico;; Currently the death rate is 3 people per 10,000.
The confirmed rate (not a great measure since most are not tested) is currently 2.6 people per 1,000.
The recovery rate is 63% of confirmed infections.
I have enclosed a link for your consideration that may guide you into another direction of thinking kikipt.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
and The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons https://aapsonline.org/physician-letter-reopen-america/.
This is a difficult time for everyone but let cool heads prevail.and look at all the facts before jumping to a one sided conclusion because a government so called "expert" says it's fact.

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LeiaRowan
7/19/2020 12:45 EST

lurker, The many people arriving in Mexico from most countries who have worked hard at containing the virus is not my worry just now. It is especially Americans(citizens of the USA). It is the only country not trying to stop the spread. and more that 3.7 million that we know of, are infected with no end in site.
Europe is open to most of the world, But not to Americans.
Mexico needs to stop allowing Americans from entering.
Containing includes everyone wearing a mask. period. There is no other way.
If you don't want to wear a mask, then you stay home !!

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bluewater1
7/19/2020 13:00 EST

A negative Covid-19 test result within the previous 5 days of arrival is required in other Caribbean nations...What a great idea!

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kikipt
7/19/2020 17:12 EST

If these are the best sources you can come up with you might as well just keep quoting FOX "news". But it would be nice if just once you could think about the big picture and set aside your petty tribal loyalties.

The SWPRS specializes in conspiracy theories and right-wing positions. Many of the so-called "studies" they cite are not peer-reviewed and include samples that are too small to be significant. But there are serious logical flaws as well. Just because someone does not die does not mean they are in the clear. The disease leaves people even with minor symptoms seriously compromised. Perhaps you think that is a great way to live, but intelligent people generally do not.

The AAPS is a fraud, and not to be confused with the AAP or the genuine AAPS (American Association of Physician Specialists)
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association It has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance." (Wikipedia - available to anyone in about five seconds of research)

Moreover, your data in general is crap. I have no idea where you fished out this BS. The mortality rate in Mexico right now, according to Johns Hopkins (possibly a little too ivory tower or over-educated for you) is 11.4%. Even if we assume the infection rate is three times what is reported, based on the very low number of tests being administered, it brings us closer to the world-wide average of 4.2% - considerably higher than the mortality rate for flu. This is NOT the flu, and the morbidity rate is much worse.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-cases.html

And your argument about people starving (something most of you trumpistas only seem to care about when it is politically convenient) is lame. There are not going to be jobs or incomes or food for families until this virus is brought under control. That means you fools need to start paying attention and looking at the long-term implications of what you are advocating.

I'm just getting exhausted reading the lies and BS you guys are posting. You obviously don't care about the country or about the loss of lives. There are places that have handled the virus so much better than the US or Mexico but you are just too blind or stupid to notice. And until the pandemic hits you personally you will continue to pretend that it is no big deal. Perhaps you are just that self-entitled.

I will say it one more time - since you don't read very well - the ONLY priority right now has to be containing the virus. Until that is done nothing else is possible and we are spinning our wheels - no economy, no jobs, no feeding families, etc. And as long as the virus continues unabated, the cartels will continue to amass greater power and control, because the government has no idea what it is doing.

And no, I don't give a damn if you find my comments offensive. The blatant willful ignorance of people like you is the reason the US and Mexico are doing SO badly right now. You have frequently demonstrated stupidity on this website, and I am sick and tired of trying to be nice to people who are such perfect exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger Effect! A pandemic is not the time to be indulging in your sick little political games! Grow up!

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morepaul
7/19/2020 17:47 EST

It is laughable and incredible that you can take a conversation and facts and then turn it into complete BS. Fortunately the world is made of many good people who will negate people like you that politise and scream and yell with no common sense.. Good luck with that attitude. If you post in the future I will make sure I delete you.

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Iturbide
7/19/2020 18:17 EST

You writings make sense Kikipt; A buffer against rubbish by "more" of the the same and their likes,

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kikipt
7/19/2020 19:19 EST

Thank you Iturbide. Having spent 45 years of my life trying to teach and help people improve themselves, I have always tried to respect differences of opinion, as long as they are presented with solid reasoning.

But in the midst of a pandemic, these morons are getting people killed and destroying the economy, the medical system, social trust with their willful lies and misinformation. It just needs to stop.

The sad part is that they have the audacity to couch it in some feeble pretense of caring about people's livelihoods when they have repeatedly proven that they have no respect for life or for human and civil rights.

The original poster was looking for solid information, and I think they deserve to have science-based facts and not conspiracy theories from groups of fraudsters.

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bigrio
7/19/2020 22:53 EST

kikipt, your return to this forum after your self exile and absence is welcomed, but spare us the same lack of civility & sanctimonious BS you fed prior. Reading your laborious posts is like listening to a trump interview!

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kikipt
7/19/2020 23:08 EST

bigrio - I don't need your permission to post comments, particularly since I don't post things without giving them considerable thought. You have never written anything to suggest that YOU give any thought or research to your positions.

And if you don't have the capacity to read a developed thought, you are free to ignore it and retreat into your shell. Your comment about trump is absurd and totally without basis. And if anyone needs an example of a post that is sanctimonious and lacking in civility, yours is a perfect example.

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Iturbide
7/20/2020 09:48 EST

Totally agree Kikipt ; under cyber anonymity, some spew utter nonsense, which they probably would not repeat in person. It however reveals their true mindset, which reflects/repeats talking ultra-right points with a mix of hypocritical patronizing. half-baked truths and outright brazen lies. Which has led to much misery and grief. Some nations may have landed on the moon, but now not welcome in Europe, and recently the Bahamas. ;'Nuff said.

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Mexicanwannabe
7/26/2020 23:32 EST

How did Trump come into this forum? And what does it matter if you are for him or not? Isn't this question about the worldwide virus that has affected everyone, not just Americans!

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steviesunshine
7/27/2020 14:32 EST

I don’t think it’s about Trump, I think it’s about his inapt dysfunctional and Pathetic response to the virus. Well… Actually he has done nothing. It has been left up to the states which has led to us being the center of corona. We need leader ship on a national level, Empathy and concern for every day Americans and all peoples. Hopefully soon he And his bazaar behavior will be gone.

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nonotme
7/27/2020 17:00 EST

Hi All, I am new to this forum and have a few questions. I am living in Tequis. I have not seen or met any gringos in the 4 months i have I have been here.
Are there any ex pats living here in Tequis and if yes is there an Ex pats club or somewhere where expats meet. Thanks for you response

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hrlee7804
7/28/2020 13:25 EST

It seems like simple questions for a realtor, pastor or bar/restaurant owner. They should know for sure. Here you may get opinions.

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giershift43
7/28/2020 15:48 EST

I do not think Trump and National dysfunction are mutually exclusive events.

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MrsJaneSimmondsPhD
8/9/2020 16:45 EST

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/mnuchin-threatens-to-make-taxpayers-pay-back-money-unless-trump-is-reelected/?fbclid=IwAR1wiQ5y0D2-NiI2-c7k2N3VmWhNAPsXBRIlvn3lvX4PVe4q1atrZRMxRlA

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MrsJaneSimmondsPhD
8/9/2020 16:45 EST

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/mnuchin-threatens-to-make-taxpayers-pay-back-money-unless-trump-is-reelected/?fbclid=IwAR1wiQ5y0D2-NiI2-c7k2N3VmWhNAPsXBRIlvn3lvX4PVe4q1atrZRMxRlA

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Dzaiat88
8/26/2020 13:41 EST

Hello,
I’d love to connect with you. I have the same idea in mind. Not sure if you’re already there. Please reach out if you are or planning on going. My son is 10 and it’s also a dream of mine. Connect via Instagram: dzaiat88 or email
Thanks

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