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Oldgrape
  6/24/2018 12:33 EST

Howdy all. Have any of you uses or found insulated or double pane windows over there to use in houses you built or renovated. I would think that would help with keeping rooms cooler.

standupguy
  6/24/2018 17:30 EST

Oldgrape- no double panes in Davao. But I has the glass installers put double panes in. They gave me an odd look. Like WTH? But my Asawa Ko understood the Canadian winter and the reverse being true here. In the far North where I worked, every window has to be triple glazed when you days are usually-45 cl.

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ACEPoolPlayer
  6/26/2018 08:11 EST

It's not the double paned or the triple glazed that makes a great difference. It's the treatment of the low e glass that blocks the heated / air conditioned temperature from being maintained along with the seal between the glassed whether it be Argon gas or even better Krypton gas.

standupguy
  6/27/2018 04:11 EST

ACEPoolPlayer - It is not an either/or issue. Yes low emissive glass is a fiber inside the glass that refelects infrared energy. Yet double pane windows do a good job on their own. I only mention triple glazed windows that are used in the far North, but certainly not amywhwre near where you live in the US. Double glazed windows have increased insulating factor the larger the space between the panes iaew. There are products used in Northern Maine and Eastern Canada which are interior storm windows that use plexiglass trimmed with a magnetic strip that holds them tight against a metal track mounted on the inside of a window frame. This creates a larger space and superior insulation against the cold (or hot) air. I used double pane windows on my home in Canada and in the Philippines. They work great. I am sure if they were made of low emissive glass they would be even better. All the newer homes in Western Canada use double pane glass. It’s just Heritage homes built with casement windows, like my 106 year old home that have casement windows which the Heritage Commission restricts you to. However, there are modern double glazed casement windows that are acceptable to them. Question is: how much do you want to spend?

standupguy
  6/27/2018 05:33 EST

There are also reflective window film applications that adhere to the inside of the glass. They come in a variety of metallic colors. There are three grades - strong, medium,& light. They also provide privacy during daylight. At night, they are mirrors on the interior space, and have no privacy. Double glazed windows also provide great sound insulation. If you live on a noisy street with motorcycles, double glazed windows sure cut down on their noise. In Canada, it was the city buses that made the most noise. But here, the Rooster crowing and Keroke blasting is bothersome. We only have wide spaced double glazed windows in our bedroom where I need A/C. I lived in Key West & Bradenton Florida for over 8 years where the heat/humidity was the same as Davao. I just need a fan in the rest of our house tho I have a big A/C unit there too. Chicago heat waves from July to September were just as bad if not worse.

Borsia
  6/27/2018 07:24 EST

I want to find double glazed windows as well. But not for the heat rather for the noise.
I live away from town I an area that shouldn't be a problem but road noise, rooster revelry at 3, 5 and dawn. And anyone who has lived here will tell you that Filipinos can only turn a volume control up. Especially when it's bad Karaoke, which is really the only karaoke there is.
I'm told that the better glass installers can do it so I'm hopeful

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Borsia
  6/27/2018 07:24 EST

I want to find double glazed windows as well. But not for the heat rather for the noise.
I live away from town I an area that shouldn't be a problem but road noise, rooster revelry at 3, 5 and dawn. And anyone who has lived here will tell you that Filipinos can only turn a volume control up. Especially when it's bad Karaoke, which is really the only karaoke there is.
I'm told that the better glass installers can do it so I'm hopeful

Oldgrape
  6/27/2018 08:43 EST

Howdy all. I was asking the availability in the Cavite, Philippines area. I can get them just about anywhere her in the States. Anybody have info on availability in Cavite?

TeeJay4103
  6/27/2018 09:21 EST

Oldgrape

There are double pane / glazed windows suppliers in the Manila area.

If you were to build a home most will send someone to meet with you for an estimate or ask for a copy of your home plan for an estimate after deciding on the window you have chosen.

A google search will bring up quite a few and as with all things in the RP, patience and persistence is what is needed. Contact them in advance and record those contacts who seem the most professional. You'll have them to choose from when you're ready.

Here is a start from OLX.ph.
https://www.olx.ph/all-results?q=upvc+windows

If you locate near a Wilcon Home center. You can check with them and see if they have what you're looking for.

Oldgrape
  6/27/2018 11:30 EST

TeeJay4103....Thanks for the info!

standupguy
  6/27/2018 18:25 EST

Wilson my favorite home supply.

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standupguy
  6/27/2018 18:43 EST

Wilcon not Wilson - iPod keyboard crazy

gelynch52ph
  6/28/2018 08:00 EST

I've never seen an airtight house and something as porous as what the build would probably not benefit much from double pane glass. What I HAVE thought of to go with the extremely high ceilings they are very fond of is a ceiling vent. Likewise, I've never seen any such vent installed in a house to allow the rising heat to escape. To be honest, I'm not sure what to use...a typical eves type vented opening, or the rotating type? Regardless, if you are building, you probably should think about a vent of some kind to install somewhere around the highest point of the structure. Even with AC, the heat rises and AC cooler air escaping should not be too much of a factor if done right.

charkee
  6/28/2018 10:11 EST

Growing shade trees or vines are very helpful to keep the home from overheating. I grow grapes as an arbour and it works wonderfully. Some trees grow very fast, the Marang tree in 2 years will be 12 feet tall, Ipil-ipil are deep rooted and in 6 months can be 15 foot tall.

This guy has some good ideas: http://kotaronishiki.com/

surfingcebu
  6/28/2018 10:52 EST

I had some huge Fan Palms in front of my bungalow and tall palms shading my house from the afternoon sun . worked well ! Plus my spot of choice is Valencia at 1500 M it has cooler nights anyway , BUT , the days can be brutally hot ….so the shade trees help ! The owner was goign to chop one down , and I asked him not too …. the deal was struck for 6 chickens ! and a guarantee when I get back in Nov. he will give me a bungalow with the shade trees ! Perfect ! I miss the RP right now . SO quirky , but I love the people and the culture . Its truly a second home - where I feel most comfortable ! Great Pinoy and expat friends too !

standupguy
  6/28/2018 18:27 EST

There is a design for a cooling roof that involves a double layer of roofing. My carpenter’s roof is built that way. A big mango tree will shade your home too.

Oldgrape
  6/28/2018 18:56 EST

How fast do the mango trees grow?

TeeJay4103
  6/28/2018 23:14 EST

Oldgrape

A young mango close to our home is now approximately 6 years old, about 15 feet tall and bearing fruit.
Great shade trees but most aside from hybrid dwarfs grow to be quite tall and the wood is brittle. Mature branches being suseptible to breaking in high winds.

Our home has a hip style roof with built on site steel trusses and is insulated using foil backed insulation just under the steel roof. The attic space is very high becasue of the roof design and allows for good air flow. With a little planning with regard to electric conduit, etc. You can also floor the area for storage, pull down staircases are available here.

We also installed lighting for maintenance work and inspection.

Because of the strong wind driven rain, western style ideas like ridge vents were discarded.
We have see and heard from some people who have used turbine vents, though water intrusion was not discussed.
Depending on roof style, gable vents combined with soffit vents offer natural air flow or can be coupled with vent fans to help move the air on the hottest days.

We have opted for the hip style high roof with a wide soffit using ventilated aluminum soffit panels.

This combined with 9 1/2 foot ceilings in the house seems to work well for us and while we do have AC in the house it is used only during the hottest summer days between, usually 1pm to sunnset. We have never had the need for AC at night and only a small floor fan on occasion in the bedroom.

Our windows are aluminum powder coated frames with 1/2 single pane reflective coated glass. It offers privacy and does help when coupled with quality window blinds to block the afternoon sun.

Our windows are large sliders with screens and the cross ventilation is great when you open them thorugout the house.

Consider also the west facing part of your home when building. The afternoon sun being hottest part of the day.

Because of typhoons we have opted not to plant trees near our home because of the possibility of damage due to high winds throwing the tree into the home and the possibility of root intrusion from large trees into drainage pipes and the foundation.

One tree that is amazingly sturdy and fast growing though not the prettiest is the Kakawate tree.
It grows to around 10 to 12 meters and a fresh green woody branch can be put into the ground and it will begin to put out new branches. Amazing tree.

We have used this as a privacy fence and wind break along one side of our property. The plantings were spaced approximately 15 inches apart during the rainy season and within a few weeks branches began to grow. Because the tree can become spindly and gangly, you need to trim it and it will sprout new branches from it's trunk base to the tip. It quickly becomes a wall of green and simply by topping it and pruning the side branches it makes a great wind resistant hedge as well as providing shade depending on how you let it grow.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wdGIXHyWm3Q/maxresdefault.jpg

Many native low growing trees offers a great shade canopy and seem to do well in typhoon strenght winds.

There is a plethora of info available on the net and we have had some good recommendations from some local plant and tree farms regarding what to plant for beauty and shade.

TeeJay4103
  6/28/2018 23:55 EST

Oldgrape

My wife has reminded me that I have forgotten to mention a bougainvillea trellis for shade and beauty.

We recently built a trellis made of inexpensive galvanized steel fence posts for strength and durability as well as no termites.

A few well placed posts in concrete near either side of your home with attached posts to complete the trellis would be very wind resistant as their is little surface area.
The planting your favorite color or mixed color bougainvilleas next to the posts and you would have shade and some beautiful colors within a couple years at most. It grows quickly!!

The wood of the mature tree is very dense and wind resistant and combined with the trellis gives you shade and low maintenance beauty.

http://happyholiday21.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Wonderful-Bougainvillea-Trellis-Ideas_27.jpg

charkee
  6/29/2018 08:16 EST

I had to look up Kakawate, it's Gliricidia spp. Native to Mexico and Central America. Its used for fence posts. the branches are planted and will soon grow into a tree. Many times I have seen fence rows of Kakawate pink flowers marking the borders of pastures.

Cacahuate (same pronunciation) is the Mexican word for peanut. My wife calls the Texas Umbrella Tree, kakawate, whose branches are dangerously brittle. My wife calls the kakawate, Madre de cacao.

surfingcebu
  6/29/2018 08:49 EST

Teejay- your wife is very right . the bougainvillea trellis - one of my favourites for window shade . great vine ! WOW the colours ! and a sturdy plant ! Love them !

TeeJay4103
  6/29/2018 09:08 EST

Charkee

It does make a very good living fence and trimmed to height it tends to intertwine with its neighbor adding to the dense greenery and shade.

As I stated, on it's own it's not a very pretty tree and would be a poor choice for a canopy shade tree,

If your just wanting to shade your home from the morning and afternoon sun, some tall flowering bushes could accomplish that and add some beauty to the landscape without the concern over intrusive roots from a mature tree or that same tree snapping in half and taking out part of your home in a typhoon.

I don't know if you have ever cut down a large bougainvillea plant though we have and the trunk, about 8 inches in diameter was incredibly dense and pliable. An approximately 5 foot long section of that trunk was hard to lift. Tough and very resilent, not to mention the gorgeous flowers (leaves that look like flowers) that cover them most of the year.

Makes a great trellis.

charkee
  6/29/2018 10:37 EST

TeeJay4103 Bougainvilleas also have a security feature, they have thorns that hopefully will make thieves seek easier pickings elsewhere. I wonder if the wood would make good tool handles, Tools are sold, but without tool handles and it's really hard to find good wood for handles in the city.

StrangerInPH
  7/3/2018 06:48 EST

Hi Oldgrape,

There are several suppliers in Cebu that supply double glazing, including PVC framing.
You have to expect around 5x to 10x the price of the usual alu single glazed.
I also recommend to use compound roofing, with an extra layer of insulation, for both temperature and noise insulation.

Oldgrape
  7/3/2018 22:39 EST

Not sure what is meant by ""compound roofing".

charkee
  7/3/2018 22:59 EST

I had to look up what compound roofing was myself. There are lots of website about roofing compound, so it's difficult to find.

Compound roofing is a type of insulated roofing panels.

GaryD
  7/4/2018 04:57 EST

Is that the type of roofing that wherever you ask you get a blank stare

standupguy
  7/4/2018 05:11 EST

GaryD We used the best quality roofing with foam backing added to it. The backing is foam on one side and metallic reflecting on the other. Worked great. No blank stares here in Toril, Davao City. Our superbe carpenter buys it for us, so no skin tax.

TeeJay4103
  7/4/2018 05:42 EST

GaryD

Colorsteel is a pretty big distributor in the RP and I believe they offer a form fitted insulation panel to be placed under your steel roof panels.

In Luzon there is a company called Isteel that has a showroom in Pasig and and in Tanauan Batangas. They offer an insulated steel panel.

Link:
http://www.isteel.ph/iroof

Oldgrape
  7/6/2018 08:07 EST

Thanks all for the comments and suggestions. The wife wants to get sliding windows with screens so will try to get them. The house only has three of the 10 window openings with actual windows installed. The openings are quite large from top to bottom and side to side so not sure how easy it will be to find windows that match. I agree with being air tight but then house over here in the US aren't normally air tight but they do have better insulation. I personally like the more traditional metal casement and jalousie windows but I want screens too.

GaryD
  7/6/2018 08:28 EST

Windows are generally made to measure so no size is a problem

TeeJay4103
  7/6/2018 08:36 EST

Oldgrape,

We have a number of large powder coated aluminum slider in our house.

One in the living room is 78 inches wide x 66 inches high with screen.

The frames are very sturdy and the screens are sealed well and do a great job of keeping out the bugs and creepy crawlers.

StrangerInPH
  7/6/2018 09:50 EST

Originally, you asked about double glazed, so I assume you want to have noise and/or temperature insulation.
Metal casings, and particularly jalousie windows, are pretty much the worst you can choose for this.
Also, I would strongly advise against sheet metal roofing, unless you want to wear ear plugs during the regular tropic rain storms here.
My suggestion for noise/temperature insulation would be PVC framed, double glazed windows, fiber compound roofing sheets, additional roof insulation, and ventilated roof.
IMHO the only way to go

StrangerInPH
  7/6/2018 09:53 EST

Alu may do a good job keeping out bugs, but helps zero against noise and heat, which I believe was the original.concern.

TeeJay4103
  7/6/2018 12:08 EST

Stranger

You've offered a critique of alum window frames and windows with no evidence to back it up and without an alternative. Not very helpful.

Our windows were ordered with thick reflective glass and powder coated alum frames and do a good job of cutting down on the heat. How do we know? We live here.

The powder coated alum was chosen for longevity as it does not rust as steel does and does not provide a feeding ground for termites as wood frames would. We saw no R value benefit in using PVC windows and unless you are going to the expense of purchasing gas filled double glazed windows, they do a very good job.

Our windows are also large and when opened during the day provide a great air flow through the house.

I believe the thread also included suggestions for alternatives and how those who have used those alternatives feel about the product they chose and in doing so may have helped Oldgrage take the best of those suggestions and use them on his home.

There are some great ways to reflect the heat away from your home. Insulated wall panels with an air gap of approximately 1 inch on western facing walls does a good job of relecting heat and through convention between the homes wall and the 1 inch gapped panel, provides air flow to the homes wall surface in the afternoon sun. I saw this done in the desert southwest and it was quite effective.

You can add black out curtains, heavy blinds, awnings, tall shrubs and probably more to insulate your home from the heat.

Your roof style, how its designed, insulated and ventilated also makes a big difference when it comes to keeping the home cool.

We have an aquaintance who built a million dollar home in Tagaytay Highlands, His neighbors call it the palace. He spared no expense and during the hottest part of the year parts of the home especially west facing walls and rooms warm up.

Our home in the U.S. had double pane gas filled windows.

The entire home built for insulation from the heat and the cold using blown in insulation in the attic, temperature controlled gable vents and ridge and soffit vents. The exterior of the home had foam insulation added before the siding was installed which provided a gap or break between the interior insulation and the exterior to add in reducing thermal transfer of both heat and cold. The crawl space walls and the floors around the perimeter of the house were insulated with foil backed foam panels.

My wife and I along with two friends did almost all of the work with the exception of the stonework, the siding and the roofing.

Guess what, while the homes cost of heating and cooling decreased dramatically. We still heard outside noise and I can gurantee you that if the neighbor had a rooster or a karaoke we would not be immune.

Unless your building a bunker with an unlimited budget, I doubt you are going to block all of the heat and the noise from entering the home and unless you're going to have the windows and doors shut with the AC or fans on all day, the open windows and doors won't keep out the sounds of life in the RP.

standupguy
  7/6/2018 19:22 EST

Oldgrape- your wife is right. Our screen door & window guys made everything to custom fit. Buy good bug lights on Lazada too. We brought solar motion sensor lights from Canada and carpenter pencils. Can’ Find them here.

standupguy
  7/6/2018 22:06 EST

Growing up in central and southern Florida and the heat waves during Chicago’s summers were worse than the heat & humidity in Davao. All the suggestions about construction to keep the house cool were good. But another alternative is to put in solar panels for power to supply your AC and other electrical needs. Installing a more moderately priced roof and windows with Solar Power may be more cost effective. Electricity costs the same here as in the West. We are going for high quality metal roofing with foam backing and then putting up solar panels that will shade our roof and allow ventilation. Our original quotation that I got was padded full of skin tax. Now, my wife will discuss it with our reasonable electrician instead of going straight to a business supplier. In the long run, eliminating the power bill was our best alternative for cooling. But I don’t mind the heat so much. It stays between 28 & 32 most days & at night drops to 26-27. We keep the AC on in our bedroom inverter always. That is where I had double glazed put in.

charkee
  7/6/2018 23:55 EST

Standupguy, did putting in the double glazed windows in your bedroom make an appreciable difference in your monthly electric bill?

standupguy
  7/7/2018 01:24 EST

charkee We will see, but the room is much cooler at higher temperatures settings

ACEPoolPlayer
  7/7/2018 07:34 EST

TeeJay,
"We saw no R value benefit in using PVC windows". You can look it up anywhere, aluminum windows are highly conductive of heat They do not insulate as well as vinyl windows. A matter-of-fact the U value of a vinyl frame is 2 to 4 times more efficient than a aluminum frame window. In the U.S. very few if any companies even offer aluminum frame windows anymore for residential housing. You only find them in old town houses or condominiums built prior to 30 years go. I do agree in extreme situations an aluminum frame window is a lot stronger and more durable. My brother-in-law is a regional manager for a large window company....

Spruik
  7/7/2018 07:55 EST

My house has aluminium windows (plain glass also). It's a bit over 30 years old and It's a total disaster.

This is in Australia. A suburban style house in the country. Cannot keep the house warm in winter, cannot cool in summer (extreme climate here).

Never use metal window frames.

TeeJay4103
  7/7/2018 09:21 EST

Ace

Got me, I should have been clearer. Yes there is an appreciative difference in the R value of a double pane window vs a single pane. Also with the heat transference through the frame if the wood or aluminum frame is insulated vinyl clad.

For us, living near Tagaytay with very few nieghbors on a ridge with a good breeze most days. Simply opening the large windows cools the house, On those days without a breeze and in the summer heat we turn on the AC from around 11 am to 1pm or so until the sun sets or the house cools.

For us and the added cost of the double pane windows was not worth it or needed.

We had vinyl clad wood frame insulated windows in the U.S. where we had severe extremes in temps. Here we do not and are quite satisfied with our choice and how they perform. The powder coated aluminum looks as good as when it was installed, does not rust, and is near zero in maintenance.
Practicality and function being the goal which was met.

Spurik stated he was unhappy with his metal framed windows in the extreme weather of his place in Australia. No doubt, If I had those windows in my homes in the states they would have proven worthless as do his.

I worked in construction for a good many years, on new homes and remodeling old homes. A friend would buy windows for custom homes by the semi load and design homes around what was in the truck. These were high grade double hung or casement windows from manufacturers like Pella.

The windows we have here would never have been considered for the extremes of temperature in the U.S.

Oldgrape
  7/7/2018 16:14 EST

From what I've been told the normal temps get a little warmer in Dasmarinas Cavite than they do in Tagaytay. The minute I mention PVC/Vinyl windows to the wife she immediately says that will get brittle in the sun like other plastic. Hopefully she will listen and get the better windows. But the jury is still out on that. :)

gelynch52ph
  7/7/2018 17:46 EST

"a little warmer in Dasmariñas than in Tagaytay is an understatement at best. Teach your wife that modern windows of the type you speak of are designed with the heat and sun in mind. That is the very reason they were developed in the first place.

Why don't you just live in Tagaytay and use those windows anyway? It is MUCH nicer in Tagaytay and I've lived in both places.

Borsia
  7/8/2018 00:38 EST

temps in Dasma are a lot higher than Tag. Since Dasma is quite a bit lower and has much more obstructions it doesn't get the ocean breezes that Tag does. Combine that with the altitude and it's a big difference.
Of course Tag is one of the more expensive places to live in the PH but it's a world nicer than Dasma.

Don't expect to get 1st world UV resistant PVC in the PH. Or decent PVC pipe for that matter. If you can possibly find it go with aluminum window frames. They may cost more but they will last here in the tropics.

standupguy
  7/8/2018 05:37 EST

Borsia Good PVC pipe in the market here in Toril, Davao City. Some Westerners have herd instinct. Others turn up everywhere you might not expect. It’s real hot & humid in Davao. Don’t mind it that much. Just AC in the bedroom. What you really need is a roof that doesn’t leak.

ACEPoolPlayer
  7/8/2018 05:51 EST

It's my guess that the majority of the members on this forum do not or are not going to end up living in Tagaytay. It may be a bad assumption but considering it's probably the most expensive place in the Philippines to live (rent and property costs) outside of Metro Manila. I'd say most people retiring may not end up there. I myself prefer more open space instead of smaller fenced in lots. I'd need at least 800 square meters and hopefully 1000-1500. Tagaytay would be out of my budget. That being said like I have in all the years I lived in the Philippines when I move back to retire in a few years I'd be using air conditioning at least in my bedroom/majority living/man cave area a good portion of the day. Now that I know better metal jalousie type windows and probably aluminum frame windows would not be used in areas where I'd be using air conditioning.

TeeJay4103
  7/8/2018 06:51 EST

Ace,

We live just outside of Tagaytay and are surrounded by approximately 6 hectares of undeveloped land with one other neighbor on a dead road and a steep cliff to one side of our home with a year round running stream. We looked for four years before buying our little piece and building our 88 square meter home on it.

Prior to that we lived in Imus in my wifes family home, they now reside in the U.S. The house was a two story with one side facing what used to be an old rice mill and had only a couple small steel frame windows on that side. The wall facing the western sun got incredibly hot in the afternoon and was like a 10 foot tall radiant heater. We also had an air conditioner in the bedroom and would retreat to it and the cool air in the heat of the day just to stop sweating for awhile. Two showers a day was the norm.
If we had chosen an existing home in a low lying area with closely clustered houses or even a lot in a similar area, we would not doubt have contructed our home differently including the possibility of double pane windows which we did price from a couple of suppliers.

I mentioned a method of insulating your wall in a previous post and it worked. It was used on a couple of high desert area homes in the southwestern U.S. It could be done here. 1 inch plus ceramic spacers such as can be found for electrical work, are used in combination with light colored painted wood, concrete board or the material of your choice. You leave a gap of about 2 feet at the bottom and the top of the panel and the sun heats the panel causing the air to flow in at the botton and out at the top. The air flow helps to cool the wall of the house and protects it from the direct rays of the sun. Combine that with double pane windows, high ceilings, a high hip roof and the house would without a doubt be cooler than without having installed the sun sheild, windows, roof, etc.

We do have an acquaintance or two in Tagaytay who have very expensive homes and a monthly budget much bigger than ours, though their homes are no cooler than ours and do not include the wide open spaces we enjoy.

What we chose for our home works well and efficiently for us. Add insulated curtains and blinds to western facing walls and it makes a big difference in the heat felt from the afternoon sun.

There are areas around Tagaytay like parts of Silang, Amadeo, Indang, Mendex. Magallanes, Laurel Batangas that in some cases are cooler than Tagaytay and have a lot of undeveloped wide open spaces on which to build your home and now at the price of a lot in a Tagaytay gated subdivision.

One of the things we do on occasion is to go exploring the backroads during the day and the wide open spaces are closer to the city than one would think.

gelynch52ph
  7/8/2018 07:44 EST

My last 2 houses in Tagaytay were both 3 bedrooms and were separate houses. They both were P12,000 unfurnished and I never, in 14 years, lived in a gated development on a "postage stamp lots."

You have to stop getting all your rental costs from the internet because only the high end rentals are advertised there. There is no need for AC in Tagaytay, but rather an occasional fan use. In fact, many evenings you will need a blanket, not AC. Food costs in Tagaytay are the same as everywhere except the coffee is locally grown, better and cheaper than in most places.

Borsia
  7/8/2018 08:24 EST

I lived in Tag for 5 years. Only moved down to Negros because I got such a good deal. But I love it here after almost a year.
Rent in Tag was around 20k if you are a bit away from the city it's very nice. Much cooler and always clean air compared to say Dasma.

Borsia
  7/8/2018 08:26 EST

All I've seen in the PH is the thin walled blue or orange crap. Nothing like the heavy walled PVC you can get in the US

GaryD
  7/8/2018 09:07 EST

A heavy walled white pipe is also widely available but you need the special tool to join it, it heats the pipe rather than glue. Because of its higher cost and difficulty to use it's not so popular.. We always use it as first choice but then we a rich foreigners.

TeeJay4103
  7/8/2018 09:40 EST

GaryD

We used the heavy walled white PPR pipe in our home and it is great when heated and joined properly. Absolutely no leaks from a pressure test.

We purchases a fusion welder to with adaptors included for 1/2 , 3/4 and 1 inch pipe. It was purchased from Handyman Hardware in the Dasmarinas Robinsons mall for 1950 pesos.

I agree it can be hard to make all the connections at times because of the fusion welder being bulky, though pre fitting the loose pieces and marking the connection helps you get the 90's and tee's going in the intended direction.

The orange drain pipe when compared to the pvc sch 40 in the U.S. is garbage but servicable for drains and vents.

To bad they don't have PEX pipe and fittings. Amazingly simple to install.

gelynch52ph
  7/8/2018 10:04 EST

If you paid P20K in Tagaytay then you probably were in a gated community (which is totally unnecessary) and renting furnished.

Borsia
  7/8/2018 23:23 EST

Lived both in and out of subdivisions all were around 20k.
all have advantages in the subdivision no roosters, no dogs and you could walk at anytime day or night without a care. Lived in the Royal, out past Alfonso, for 4 years. no neighbors and lots of open space. Had AC never used it except a couple of hours just before bed time during April. Using AC in Tag costs a small fortune.
Lived in a stand alone on Santa Rosa Rd. Very noisy and way to much traffic.
Now I live in Valencia, Negros Oriental. Hotter here have AC use it fairly often costs very little. Water here is 20p a month no meters so doesn't matter how much you use. Electricity is really cheap and equally unreliable. Lots of open spaces. Beautiful ocean very close. Clean water.
Wouldn't move back to Luzon

Borsia
  7/8/2018 23:27 EST

We never used any special tools for the heavier PVC in the US just cut & glue. Usually used a tubing cutter just to have clean ends but it's no harder than using the crap here.
Just can't find any better quality here.
If it's available in Davo you are lucky they didn't have it on Luzon anywhere I looked and don't have it here on Negros that I've been able to find.

GaryD
  7/9/2018 03:31 EST

We're on Luzon and it's widely available in our area. Rather than spend a couple of thousand on a fusion tool we just found a plumber that had one. We used it for the feed from our pressure tank as the glued stuff would just blow the joints.

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