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DavaoDelSur1
1/26/2020 16:37 EST

CNN reports nearly 2,000 infected and 56 dead as of Sunday Jan 26 12pm EST. With 5 cases reported in the US. One infected woman traveled from Wuhan China on Jan 13th with no symptoms. The virus can spread before symptoms occur. With the rate of infection increasing at 1.5 times per 24 hours. At 2,000 with spread before illness the true infection rate is much higher. Give people a 10 day window from infected to illness and the true number would be around 75,000 people.
With China notorious for under reporting bad news, who knows true number. One Chinese Nurse said 90,000 the other day.
Not to create panic but surgical masks are selling out on Amazon and infected USA areas. So a word to the cautionary, buy masks and stock up on neccessary food and water items if possible.

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minocqua
1/26/2020 16:42 EST

WISCONSIN HELLO ..
i agree on all points .

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mattinnorfolk
1/26/2020 16:46 EST

I wonder how long with for a western company comes up with a cure or a vaccine, so China a can steal it, copy and sell it.

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Robertdav298
1/26/2020 20:29 EST

We went yesterday to 2o different places in CEBU......no masks.......luckily Mactan AFB just got a shipment of masks.

Philipinne news reported turning back plane of chinese trying to visit BORACAY.

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rebtop
1/26/2020 21:31 EST

I once sponsored a Chinese visa person for a position i needed. Bright guy. VERY unscrupulous. I fired him after 5 months. Honestly, they have no sense of style or person. Very narcissistic people.

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surfingcebu
1/26/2020 23:39 EST

The problem is you can carry the virus for 5-14 days with zero symptoms . Ban all flights and interchange with China until things get sorted out . Again the west has been lies to. I heard about this “sickness “ 10 months ago in northern China people said their was lung and fever sickness near Wuhan and areas . China willingly suppressed the world knowing of it . China agin !!! How many times does it take ?
Crime against humanity!

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TheIslandGeneration
1/27/2020 21:44 EST

Just my observations and update on the Coronavirus or its official name 2019-nConV


On January 27, 9 PM Eastern Standard Time


4,474 confirmed cases just say that's probably a really low number since again as many people have pointed out the incubation time is anywhere from two days to 14 days, in other words, those people are carriers. And his Typhoid Mary once said this sucks for the rest of you.


107 deaths .... And surprisingly a number I find weird 63 recovered. By the way, that death rate is almost doubled in a day.


This is all posted by the John Hopkins University of Maryland CSSE. Most of these confirmed cases are in China but they are 8, in Hong Kong, 7 in Thailand six and 6 Macau. There are also 100 other cases under investigation in the United States.


In Germany just got its first case.. France....Two people in California, a member of the Arizona State University returning from travel in Wuhan, China, a man in his 30s in Washington, and a woman in her 60s in Chicago, Canada has confirmed its first Wuhan coronavirus case in Toronto. Other countries include confirmed cases Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Nepal, Australia, Malaysia, Cambodia. The Philippines at the moment no confirmed cases


You get the idea this is not contained. It can't be Chinese you people made reservations way before and left probably in that carrier state. In my opinion a bit of a perfect storm.


Tamiflu supposedly does not affect this virus although I haven't exactly found out why but that's what's being told in the United States. The disease seems to like most cases of flu get people very sick and then they die of pneumonia. So if you don't have a pneumonia shot go get one. Pneumonia shots don't protect you from every strain but it's better than nothing.


Where this virus originated has not been in question but what it originated from does seem to be. Many of said bad mistakes wild animals are likely. China has DNA decoded the virus and sent that decoding out to labs around the world. China plans to build three hospitals in seven days they can hold a total of 3000 people. Seriously that can be done anywhere else in the world. But at the end of the day, the world is going to get sick.


You're also dealing with a virus that may have already mutated. It may have found more clever ways to spread itself that's why we're seeing the sharp increase. Airports can't catch you sick and for the most part, they took the person with the fever but let the rest of the family and the aircraft full of people go. It's pretty logical to assume these people are carriers of an airborne virus.



The economic impact for training is huge not only are they for writing a trade war but this virus will crush local travel and with towns locked down the size of Florida exports


This is just the current news I believe that the genie is out of the bottle. There are too many carriers the buyers will impact card every country.


My best suggestion is to arm yourself well with decongestants the real Sudafed not the remanufactured will the one from the 50s... It's literally what they make methamphetamine out of. But this old medication drives the nasal passages and lungs and makes a pretty damn Thursday not to mention can increase your blood pressure and heart rate. Next is guaifenesin this medicine is an expectorant and makes the cough more efficient. It's the fluid that gets in your lungs that will kill you. Just stock up before you can find it. As for the headache part better to take Tylenol. Aspirin can cause rye syndrome in young children but can also be highly reactive with the flu not to mention the blood thinner part. Keep in mind Pepto-Bismol contains aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid).


Many companies are racing to come up with a vaccine for this particular flu since is not covered by any flu shot out there. But by the time this DNA that sequence by the Chinese can be fabricated in a vaccine that could be a long time not to mention it may mutate and do something slightly different.


So for the last statistics of death were mainly men over 60 with other health problems.... Diabetes,
high blood pressure, and other illnesses.... Also 12 health workers in China have been infected as well as one Chinese doctor dying of this flu. The news is always behind so this could be in your backyard before you know it.


Mark

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TheIslandGeneration
1/27/2020 22:05 EST

mattinnorfolk

Actually China DNA sequence the virus first and provided the code to the rest of the world for free. A number of companies already announced they can produce an anti-virus but how would this made and distributed in time.. Not to mention one slipup could go terribly wrong

Mark

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TheIslandGeneration
1/27/2020 22:14 EST

DavaoDelSur1

Wearing a mask may provide much less protection than people realize. On the face of it it seems logical it would protect you but actually it's the opposite. Think of a surgeon he doesn't wear a mask to protect him from things coming from the patient is wearing a mask to protect the patient from him sneezing or coughing on the patient.


So if the guy with the flu as a mask and sneezes this limits the range at which he could get the virus near you. However since viruses are micro organisms they will pass through almost any mask. So breathing in is not much protection especially since you even can seal the math properly.


But in protecting you from the flu limited contact is better and even then being cautious not to wipe your eyes or nose without washing your hands. The new virus from China seems the spread multiple ways so if you see the virus exponentially rise in infection rate over the next few days to weeks that just means this one spreading any way it can write through mask

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surfingcebu
1/27/2020 22:42 EST

No questions, China should be isolated until we know what we are dealing with. We all know , to use very kind words, China and there businesses are NOT transparent ( laughable actually)
SUSPENSION of all flights from China is imperative at this point.

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LarryKar
1/28/2020 04:41 EST

Surf BI Helpline posted they are allowing no more VISA On Arrival for Mainland Chinese. Seems that is how plane loads of tourists get in. They can still come but won't automatically enter in groups. Have to be interviewed one by one. That's progress at least.

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DavaoDelSur1
1/28/2020 06:37 EST

Masks might not be a great help but at least you touch mouth and nose less. Washing hands toughly for 20 seconds is best preventative measure. Also stay away from large crowds.

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TheIslandGeneration
1/28/2020 10:28 EST

DavaoDelSur1


You bring up a good point about the mask also acting as a shield against your hand touching your mouth or nose. Most people touch their mouth or nose or eyes subconsciously for the fact you run into a barrier certainly help you realize oh yeah that flu thing.


The bad news is China has confirmed the contagious state of 2019-nCoV is also the incubation time frame of 3 to 7 days generally but up to 14 days. Simply put it means no symptoms can go through airports but can actually spread the disease during that time. You really can't contain that.

Mark

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surfingcebu
1/28/2020 11:44 EST

masks have minimal effect . Absorption can/will happen through eyes as well !

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waverider
1/28/2020 13:00 EST

may i ask what is the situation in the philippines...i saw on a map by nbc that there were cases in the pi already....was planning to go there in the spring but now i am hesitant to go...any advice?

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wallyd1
1/28/2020 14:44 EST

I live in Cebu and am tracking the virus...and several cases identified here only being observed because they traveled from China. At this point...1/29/'20 I would not be hesitant to come here. Just be glad you aren't going to Thailand who is reporting several confirmed cases of the virus. Several cases in California..my home!

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TheIslandGeneration
1/28/2020 15:35 EST

waverider

Philippines does not have any confirmed cases. To be honest since a lot of Chinese do travel there it is likely cases will show up. Most airports only looking for people with fevers. Since the virus has a long incubation time, many people will go past airport screening.


When you think about it there's actually more infections in the United States at this moment than they are in the Philippines. So we are you safer?


Keep in mind a flu shot will not help. However I would strongly recommend if you haven't gotten one get an ammonia shot. The one that fights all 23 different varieties is probably the better one. If you're over 60 I think even a pharmacist can do this without a prescription because it follows CDC guidelines. The Chinese flew is notorious for giving people ammonia if you can stop an ammonia from forming you have a better chance of just having a bad flu.

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darkfader24
1/28/2020 15:37 EST

So many people mock the Bible as being from a bunch of uneducated Tribesmen sitting around a campfire. Interestingly enough, Moses wrote down very specific ways regarding the consumption of various animal types and what NOT to eat - for your health. He heard this from God over 3,000 Years ago. Eating Bats, and other vile and diseased creatures is definitely not cool. Pigs were also disallowed, but now we have cultivated them and closely screen them - at least in the USA. If Bats were treated the same way "Maybe" they would be OK to eat, but are there "Bat Farms", with close Governmental scrutiny? Also, my concern for you, My Friends in the Philippines, is that there are many Chinese people that come and go there - and who knows how carefully the RP has been screening them? Maybe NOW - but it may be too late. Please, be very, very cautious!

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surfingcebu
1/28/2020 15:46 EST

Dark, you make some interesting points. I am Catholic, but not a very good one. :-). This whole virus scare recently, with bats and snakes, and other mechanisms, is very biblical. A person who is studied theology would wholeheartedly, endorse the above. What you say about Wild animals, and undomesticated creatures, including cockroaches, should not generally be eaten by humans. Common sense could tell you this not only the Bible , or various other religious doctrine.In various historical Scriptures, warnings have been put out to not eat snakes, rats, cockroaches, bats, and other creatures of this sort. In fact, some ratings go on to say you put yourself at risk in associating with these heathens.I am just regurgitating what I was exposed to in a couple theology classes at University. My opinions differ slightly.

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LarryKar
1/28/2020 17:14 EST

I live in far north Luzon, Cagayan Valley. The local government health unit posted that there are no confirmed cases in the Valley. One gentleman was under observation as he had recently visited China but is now cleared. Also a warning to not spread fake stories and trust only known sources for information. Case came up where someone had posted that a resort was full of sick Wuhan Chinese. Not true and they had to post a notice to that fact. My main suspect would be another nearby resort. It's Crazy Town Time for sure.

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ACEPoolPlayer
1/28/2020 17:19 EST

There may not be any confirmed cases yet but according to CNN their are over 20 suspected cases awaiting lab results. Considering how many people regularly fly in from China in the last 2 weeks it wouldn't surprise me if there will eventually be a lot more cases.

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LarryKar
1/28/2020 18:23 EST

Cockroaches. In reading lately about pneumonia etc I came across and article that Cockroaches also contribute to breathing problems. Seems the debris ( cast of body parts) and saliva from roaches is the culprit. So kill the creeps. Happy to see Burger King took that 4 Cheese Cockroach Whopper off the menu. Smile

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TeeJay4103
1/28/2020 20:10 EST

Please don't shoot the messenger, as I do not vouche for the accuracy of this neat little tool

Live coronavirus tool.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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TheIslandGeneration
1/28/2020 22:45 EST

LarryKar


There is quite a bit of misinformation going around which is typical with the story that is evolving as fast as this virus seems to be spreading. I mean yesterday I was saying 107 people had died. And then the number changed within like an hour to 106. That's really scary, right? But today that has gone up to 135.


That's a 30% increase in a day. The other thing if you look at the numbers there are 4500 cases essentially right now. But then if you look at the number of cases recovered it's only like 50. It will be that recovery number in the long term that really is going to count here


One big misinformation was the picture of the girl eating the bat. They're definitely people in China that eat all sorts of strange foods from snakes to bats to even I heard baby wolf puppies... really that's a strange one. But the picture of the girl eating the bat in what looks like a bowl of gray soup was a stolen image and then put together a with the China virus. It could be that this virus did jump from bats to humans but not this girl, not this picture, and not when it was taken.


IT'S FAKE NEWS


The woman in the picture is Wang Mengyun... She's a video blogger with a travel segment show. She did eat a bat but in Micronesia, actually in Palau. And here's the kicker that video was made over three (3) years ago. So had absolutely nothing to do with this virus


Poor Wang here has actually gotten death threats at making everybody sick.


What does seem to be lurking in the dark is that even Chinese officials have said there were some early cases in December around the first that eventually tested positive for the virus they were not from the main city but may have traveled there. They may have come in contact with animals they eat or even raised that caused the jump to humans.


Because the way the virus is laid out these could be bats or snakes because of genetic similarities from other viruses from these animals. Let's all keep in mind that that Ebola in Africa was traced down to a bat but nobody ate it, it was believed that kids playing inside a hollow tree came in contact with the bat in some way. The kid was the first to die and spread it to his village.


What we do know it is a virus and it kills people. And I can tell you also in the US there's this form of a cover-up which seems crazy. The CDC announcing everything's fine not really spreading here to other officials saying it doesn't seem that dangerous. Seriously, China putting together a thousand-bed hospital in six days that have to be a Guinness world book of records right there. China is shutting down areas with a population of Florida.


China is worried, very worried. They're doing all this knowing that this could economically crush them because let's face it if you shut down a city with 11 million people in one of them. You don't allow anything out which means any goods that are made there are stuck. Not because they contain a virus or that they would ever pass it on but the guy that drives the truck can't leave.


China does not want this virus to continue they've started implementing a combination of drugs used to cure AIDS to patients. This may actually work. But I think it's foolish for other countries to say everything's fine. I agree with what other people have said here virus is probably everywhere its just incubating, give it time.

There has just been a case of a Japanese bus driver who did drive busloads of Chinese people from I guess from the airport to hotels in Japan who now has tested positive for the virus. This guy has never been in China and he came in contact with people getting on and off the bus. Around the world has a lot of bus drivers to take people from the airport...No one's testing are paying attention to them

Mark

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LarryKar
1/29/2020 00:51 EST

Island Gen: Good report and yes I agree. As I said earlier we will be subjected to Crazy Town especially on Social Media. Chose your sources carefully.

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DavaoDelSur1
1/29/2020 02:52 EST

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1/26/2020 16:37 EST

CNN reports nearly 2,000 infected and 56 dead as of Sunday Jan 26 12pm EST. With 5 cases reported in the US. One infected woman traveled from Wuhan China on Jan 13th with no symptoms. The virus can spread before symptoms occur. With the rate of infection increasing at 1.5 times per 24 hours. At 2,000 with spread before illness the true infection rate is much higher. Give people a 10 day window from infected to illness and the true number would be around 75,000 people.
With China notorious for under reporting bad news, who knows true number. One Chinese Nurse said 90,000 the other day.
Not to create panic but surgical masks are selling out on Amazon and infected USA areas. So a word to the cautionary, buy masks and stock up on neccessary food and water items if possible.
When I posted this 3 days ago these are the numbers I used to get to 75,000 infected after 10 more days. I increased the number of cases by 50% each day.
day 1 2,000 day 2 3,000 day 3 4,500 day 4 6,750 day 5 10,125 day 6 15,187 day 7 22,781 day 8 34,172 day 9 51,258 day 10 76,887 .
Today 1-29-2020 there are and estimated about 6,000 infected cases with 132 dead via CNN 2:24 AM EST. So far the 50% increase per day numbers are lining up real close.

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gypsyquokka
1/29/2020 11:26 EST

Hello Dark - So much for your posting about what your "Book of Myths" says about eating insects, snakes and bats - he he he You should at least try snakes as soup or roasted etc. Many insects go down very well also - DO NOT know about bats. Yesterday on BBC news there was a story from Wuhan. said that doctors had traced the probable origin of the Coronavirus to drinking camel's milk. Of the first 5 people showing weird new symptoms, 3 of them had been drinking fresh camel milk from a wild animal they had recently captured. There are millions of camels in China, particularly in western provinces. The meat eaten and the milk drunk fresh or turned to wonderful cheese. There are many possibilities and camels are known to carry many diseases and not just in Asia.

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surfingcebu
1/29/2020 11:43 EST

Gypsy- Can and do you believe anything reported from China , via the BBC?

The BBC use to fact check and do proper journalism . now they certainly DO NOT! More or less the socialists little puppy dog ... very sad really a good news source once .

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TheIslandGeneration
1/29/2020 14:28 EST

DavaoDelSur1


Having dealt with statistics for long time I do agree with your numbers in general. But there are other factor problems. The first is that Chinese hospitals with in the hot zones of running out of test abilities to positively identify those infected. This will lead to under reporting. So the actual number will start to slide down and look like it's leveling off a bit when in actuality it's not.


Because the hospitals in the hot zone are packed in China's racing to build new ones which even after being but will probably be in adequate. People dying may actually die at home and be taken care of by the family not being counted.


Overall this skews the numbers. So don't think that DavaoDelSur1 numbers would be wrong because there are certainly logical at this point. But reporting as I've always said in other conversations skews the bell curve. Also I think you have other countries that will explode with numbers these could be places like India with a population soon the bypass China. India hasn't reported anything which seems a bit illogical only nearby Nepal I believe has one.

Mark

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LarryKar
1/29/2020 17:19 EST

gypsyquokka Camels. Interrsting theory. I had read that many animals carry the Corona Virus only in an " animal" strain. For some reason science doesn't really understand something causes it to mutate and jump to a human variety. Once that jump is made one human infects another no animal involved. Guess that old slogan, " I'd walk a mile for a Camel" was really a terrible idea.

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darkfader24
1/30/2020 00:11 EST

Larry - "I'd walk a mile for a Camel" was really a terrible idea" Brilliant, Larry, simply brilliant! Uhhh, I think the obvious bridge going from Animal to Human Strain is in the consumption. Viruses are constructed to survive. They are the Angel of Death. You can't kill them, because they do not have any life in them and yet they exist, replicate, kill, mutate. Amazing "things". Kinda like the Alien Monster in "Alien".

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darkfader24
1/30/2020 00:11 EST

Larry - "I'd walk a mile for a Camel" was really a terrible idea" Brilliant, Larry, simply brilliant! Uhhh, I think the obvious bridge going from Animal to Human Strain is in the consumption. Viruses are constructed to survive. They are the Angel of Death. You can't kill them, because they do not have any life in them and yet they exist, replicate, kill, mutate. Amazing "things". Kinda like the Alien Monster in "Alien".

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DavaoDelSur1
1/30/2020 04:40 EST

First case of Coronavirus in the Philippines is confirmed. Better hope it doesn't get loose in Manila slums.

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DavaoDelSur1
1/30/2020 05:07 EST

Learn from the Mormons, stock up on a couple hundred kilos of rice, canned goods, coffee, alcohol and the essentials. Then hunker down if it gets bad. You can always boil water. It kills mostly people over 60 with health problems.

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gypsyquokka
1/30/2020 10:16 EST

Surfing - i cited the BBC story about camels - I DID NOT SAY I BELIEVED IT. YES there are many stories reported from China, but not all are believable. Science has not found and named the source of the present Coronavirus - it may or may not be camels, only time will tell. I am fully aware that you wear dark blinkers with everything regarding China. You consider yourself an EXPERT on the country - he he he . NOBODY is an expert on any subject. Many things / stories / situations happen in China but not all is WRONG. Smile

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DavaoDelSur1
1/30/2020 10:20 EST

With 7,819 Corona cases being reported by CNN as of 1/30/20 at 6am EST it looks like the virus spread is slowing. With about 59% of the cases within Hubei the province of Wuhan it looks like the lockdown is working. Slowing the virus spread by around half. If the 50% daily increase was on track there would have be about 10,000 reported cases.

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surfingcebu
1/30/2020 12:07 EST

gypsy - has anyone ever told you to NOT throw stones in a glass house ? Just wondering ....

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Robertdav298
1/30/2020 20:19 EST

SURF........I have a theory about China and I have had it for quite sometime, considering their world population, economics and military.

Many people worry about how China is moving into other nations like the RP, Spratley Islands, and Southeast Asia in general. It is no secret they are investing in countries electric companies, buying business's, banking etc....! Just look at the RP for example and the amount of business's and land that is owned by China.

Now think about a scenario, like this virus that has spread because of WUHAN. No military involved but it is deadly and if not controlled could easily be turned into a pandemic.

China and Africa are two known countries that are prone to deadly virus. Carefully calculated China could stage a viral war against the free world before the world even knew they were under attack. China is so over populated they could easily kill millions of their own people and still be over populated.
So what is the solution? Is there a solution? Can the world isolate China?

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TheIslandGeneration
1/30/2020 20:39 EST

The latest January 30. 8,200 infected 171 deaths 143 recovered


A female Chinese national in the Philippines has been confirmed to be infected with the novel coronavirus — the first case in the Philippines -CNN Philippines


What we knew over a week ago the World Health Organization finally reached the conclusion that this is a worldwide epidemic. They met last week to figure this out but everyone here on the on the blog already knew,


If you take SARS as an example which is the same type of virus it killed 800 but took eight months to do that and actually infected less people than the Wuhan virus. So this virus is much more contagious much more quickly.


A person-to-person infection has happened in Illinois. While it may great fanfare about this to be fair the wife came from China and of course hadn't seen her husband in a long time so obviously there was some close contact. How the husband has the virus and also has some other health issues so this may not go well for him.


Unfortunately odds are against him since most of the people that have died have been men, over 55, and was one of the problems such as diabetes, or high blood pressure, or other existing conditions.


Others that spoke about the original transmission and added camel milk. Actually the first three people that they believe that got the disease did drink camel's milk but they did not live in Wuhan. It is possible they traveled there in May of infected people in the seafood market rather than the seafood market being the source. Again no one has figured out definitively the animal that pass this to human so that in itself is a problem since the original source is still there.


Just think of swine flu if I'm not mistaken it took a duck a pig and then jumping to a human. Hence the name swine flu. It's just that the humans immune system has never had to deal with this particular virus so it can be quite deadly.

Australia has been able to replicate the bars in the lab thanks to the Chinese giving the sequencing of the DNA of the virus out to the world.


There has been a case of a girl who has the virus however has shown no symptoms whatsoever. This is the most dangerous situation since no screening other than a blood test would catch this.


In most cases this virus causes pneumonia so again I encourage you all think about pneumonia more than the virus


Someone had also mentioned cockroaches causing pneumonia. This was not from eating them this is typically from their waste or so many of them that they become ground up in the dust. Dust gets in the lungs and can cause pneumonia. Similar problems have happened before and continue such as The Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) a serious respiratory disease transmitted by infected rodents through urine, droppings or saliva. Humans can contract the disease when they breathe in aerosolized virus. HPS was first recognized in 1993 and has since been identified throughout the United States. The moral is keep the house and garage clean


And that's just today's news

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TheIslandGeneration
1/30/2020 21:06 EST

Robertdav298


I don't think China is releasing any viruses to control the world. China is the world's second largest economy and so the more people that are a live around the world that by their goods which is just about everybody is extremely good for their economy. You certainly don't want to kill off your consumers.


A number of viruses have come out of China because there is a great deal of farming interacting with humans which is different than more modern farms say in the US. Let's not forget the Ebola skin in the United States quite a while ago called Ebola Reston which was named after Reston Virginia. The actual monkeys came out of the Philippines and that's with the disease originated so it wasn't like anyone in the Philippines are trying to take over the state of Virginia.


Aids came out of Africa and believed to come from monkeys who have a similar AIDS virus but don't get the same type of infection.

The Spratly Islands I totally believe is being misread by almost everyone. China is buying huge tracts of land in Africa and even has a military base in Africa. They're trying to build giant farms so they're not so codependent on the US or other countries. The way that food would get to China would pass the Spratly Islands in between Indonesia. What happened in Somalia where boats came out and hijacked huge ships they don't want the Indonesians to do the same. They will attack and protect their food. Again not military action against US or other countries that by all their goods and also where they have interest again doesn't really make sense. They don't need to fight a real war and economic one is working quite well for them.


And look at their ability to build a 1,000 bed hospital in 10 days.... Two of them actually.... there is not a country in the world that can do that. in the US would take three years just to get the permit. China has figured out how to put communism and capitalism together into an economic powerhouse. They been quite clear about building the belt and Road initiative. Where the road is actually the waterway past the Spratly's is one example. Yet I don't understand why they called a road either. But they already built trains that will bring goods into Europe and stations along the way in each country. So you don't do all this to then kill you your new customers


I think were China help makes an error is that they're embarrassed or they believe they can contain the problem and it gets out of hand such as the viruses and why virus makers always look to Asia for the new flu vaccine.
Mark

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TheIslandGeneration
1/30/2020 22:45 EST

DavaoDelSur1

wow you projected numbers were right did not slow
1/30 11pm est hit 9,976 you said 10k

now 213 died

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surfingcebu
1/30/2020 22:54 EST

Robert- unclear on your theory... but the answer is democratic rights in China ... from there development into the modern word . 90% of it is pathetic virus infested #hit hole ! 10% ok cities with mega virus and bacteria counts . TB’s home I’m sure .

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DavaoDelSur1
1/30/2020 23:16 EST

Island it slowed a little bit should be about 12,000 due to time. Almost half a day, 11 hours after 12PM EST. Tomorrow at 12PM EST would be 15,187 if on target. Lets hope it does more in next few days.
Chinese Minister said numbers should peak in about 10 more days. It could be numbers coming down due to those previously infected now healthy.

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darkfader24
1/31/2020 01:48 EST

Robert - Solution for China? What they made in Chicago & Los Alamos......... I'm not serious. The idea of being responsible for incredible death and destruction is unthinkable. And yet, if they did what you're imagining - a biological war - Nuke 'Em! We need to keep a close eye on them. I have heard that they knew about the virus outbreak around the beginning of December, and covered it up - just like the Ruskies covered up Chernobyl for so long. Communist Governments have Zero Morality and Truthfulness. They answer to no one. People do not matter to them - they do not value Human Life. They have no fear of God. They are Humanistic, Atheistic Regimes. One thing that they have a lot of - INCOMPETENCE!

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LarryKar
1/31/2020 03:24 EST

Dark Repeating one of my stories but back in the Nixon era my Dad's company developed some underground mine safety equipment systems. Would have helped to control dust explosions. Since it was done under a Government grant Dad was tasked to go to China see if there was any interest in the Chinese buying the technology. Remember it was the Nixon era. He made his best presentation to an oh so interested and gracious room full of Chinese. They then said, " China has many workers looking for work. Why would we spend money on safety equipment?" And that was that.

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LovePhilly
1/31/2020 07:41 EST

This is not to suggest that this virus outbreak shouldn't be treated seriously but to put it in perspective:

In 2018, 80,000 people died from the common flu.

Over 45,000 people in the U.S. alone died in car accidents.

Over 50,000 died from overdose.

Again, not suggesting this shouldn't be taken seriously but we are far from panic mode.

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darkfader24
1/31/2020 14:13 EST

Larry - Wow! What an incredible story regarding your Dad, and Nixon. I can't believe Nixon would do something like that - cuz he was so paranoid about Communism and helping them in anyway seems so out of character for him. He DID open up good trade between us and the ChiComms. In some ways, in my humble opinion, Nixon was a good, and smart President. In other ways, not good. In 1972 - the year of Watergate - I turned 18 and voted for my first time - for Nixon. I'm a Far Right Bleeding Heart Republican. I was 1,000% behind Nixon's Impeachment. I was so happy to see him go. I was SO UNHAPPY when Ford pardoned him. I wanted blood. Republicans don't usually "Circle The Wagons" around fellow Repubs that betray the Country. All of my family and Conservative friends wanted Nixon to pay - in Jail - and set an example as to what happens to those who betray us, not only the Republicans - but also the Democrats and ALL Americans. Cheers!

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darkfader24
1/31/2020 14:24 EST

LovePhilly - I humbly disagree. We know a lot about the Common Flu. Most of those that died from it probably didn't take it seriously until it was a Runaway Train - and too late. I am around Very Talented and incredibly Intelligent Americans all the time - and yet, I observe as they ignore signs of sickness, and are under so many production deadlines, that they keep plowing ahead until they are really sick. What about the general public, and those in Third World Countries? Car accidents aren't contagious. They are what they are and many die from them but only education, and Luck can help in those situations. Corona is still an unknown in many ways, and is spreading like Wild Fire - and so far we cannot identify it until it is too late for the individual (as far as the infection is concerned) - and maybe through contact with others, has spread it. Very, very dangerous. If you catch the Common Flu - the signs are there and you know what to do. In driving situations you have a lot of control. How much control do you have regarding Corona? For all you know, you might have already come in contact with it - and you won't know until the signs come forth when you already have it! I know that you don't have it - but do we have a Crystal Ball to see the future?

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DavaoDelSur1
1/31/2020 17:28 EST

The world is finally quarantining China. Tough but smart policy. If the virus ever cuts loose in third world slums it would be a gamechanger.

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DavaoDelSur1
1/31/2020 17:28 EST

The world is finally quarantining China. Tough but smart policy. If the virus ever cuts loose in third world slums it would be a gamechanger.

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Robertdav298
2/1/2020 00:49 EST

SURF.....plainly put my theory is BIOLOGICAL WARFARE.....i.e. deliberatley spreading deadly virus...nothing knew eh!

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surfingcebu
2/1/2020 01:33 EST

Robert- your theory is not out of the question... I would not put it past them. I know the culture well.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/2/2020 02:30 EST

First Death outside China of Coroavirus reported in Philippines. 44 year old Chinese man. . This guy was in a Philippines hospital for week get the best of care. Health secretary Francisco Duque III said the patient was “stable and showed signs of improvement”, but his condition deteriorated rapidly over 24 hours. Developed severe pneumonia. As I have said before the pneumonia vaccine may help the second part of this flu severe pneumonia but only if you get the vaccine weeks before the Coroavirus.

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Robertdav298
2/2/2020 02:34 EST

Surf......do some research and find out when this virus actually started i.e. when the Chinese doctors discovered the virus as opposed to when the Chinese Government reported the virus, I believe it was early december when the virus started.
That is why the US Government is outraged with China......it always comes down to $$$$$$ they stood to lose alot of money especially with Chinese New Year coming.....hmmmm!

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surfingcebu
2/2/2020 11:46 EST

Robert - was in China 11 months ago ...they were talking about a mysterious virus flu in Wuhan and areas then !!! Personal experience Robert ...not reading Fake news !

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surfingcebu
2/2/2020 11:48 EST

Island Generation- fill the country full of Chinese ....dont be surprised what happens! .....ON all fronts !

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darkfader24
2/2/2020 18:47 EST

Surf / Robert - But why devastate their own population? If is intended for their enemies it wouldn't make sense. They are frantically constructing hospitals, their own people forbidden to leave their homes, no one in or out of major cities..... It's like the movie "Outbreak". This is not fun and games, I can tell you that! Unless they lost control of the monster that they created - in which case I have Zero Pity.

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Robertdav298
2/2/2020 20:34 EST

Dark, it is simple economics, the Chinese governemnt cannot feed it's ever growing population. They could kill 3 million of their citizens and still be over populated.
Just take a look around the world and see how the chinese have migrated, they are competing with the muslims.

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darkfader24
2/2/2020 20:49 EST

Robert - Wow! I don't even know what to say. Terribly tragic and sad. If Human lives mean so little to them..........

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surfingcebu
2/2/2020 21:53 EST

Dark, people have speculated that this virus came from they virus / chemical military research installations in Wuhan.

Some Chinese leaders have already commented their population is getting in the way of progress of the Communist state .

It’s perplexing.... and plenty of evil I’m sure .

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TheIslandGeneration
2/2/2020 21:57 EST

darkfader24

darkfader24 I agree there's no logic people in China are not starving. I mean you're actually starving like 30/40 years ago but now they're doing pretty good.


I have to disagree with the whole biological warfare component. There is a level IV biological unit in Wuhan China I will agree with that part. But let's keep in mind SARS came out of China and then MERS came out of the Middle East. What about the Spanish flu in World War I wasn't actually from Spain it's just that they were a neutral country and they reported it where other countries were fighting and didn't want to get blamed or show their troops might be compromised. the name stuck it was Spanish flu but that's a lie. 50 million people died and it's believed that may be 500 million people died that just were counted.


Bill Gates last year said that coronavirus would mutate and jump the humans in China in a wet market .... Look it up . He studies world viruses and has been a champion of vaccines.


first of all if you're going to build a virus to attack other people the ideas actually to attack the other people . You would also build an immunity your own vaccine I had the time because you already know the DNA sequencing. you have plenty of time to test this in the lab that worked. You would certainly immunize your doctors your troops and other people. if for any reason you wanted your own people you would've closed the borders immediately and sounded alarm to shut down and keep them inside none of that happened.


Viruses naturally mutate and keep in mind this one might mutate into something different. our own DNA consist of different virus strands. The first time humans and have their butt kicked . But this is the first time that population of the world has been as big as it is and that our ability to travel around the world is at unprecedented levels. this makes any local virus that could be deadly not die out like it might naturally affect the small town everybody freaks out it stops. were in the middle of the Chinese new year no one would release any virus during the time when the people would move around the most and somehow wish or hope that only a few million die ,


What is going to die is China's economy. even if in some way you're saying that China wanted a few million of its people to die it sort of already did that with the one child policy. China would not wish upon itself a situation where it could not sell goods and keep in mind even after this virus is contained stops or vaccine is found how many people around the world are not gonna freak out when they buy Chinese product that somehow it's infected even though that's not possible ?


Take the plague the Black death ... Fleas on rats didn't seem like the answer maybe was the wrath of God .... Okay was fleas on rats and horrible living conditions in the city. tuberculosis or what was known as consumption as for the presidents of the United States that was a bad one.

point being this is always going to happen it'll only get worse because of population density and ability to travel .they will come up with a vaccine for this but in all honesty will many people feel getting that quickly produce shot ?

Mark

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LarryKar
2/2/2020 23:56 EST

Island Gen I must agree. China today is not the China of 30 years ago. Generally it is booming not starving. To think they would have any net gain by turning some End of the World Virus is just to Alex Jones for me. How would they come out ahead with a depleted weakened work force and destroyed markets as you pointed out? A runaway Military Grade Bio Warfare virus that got out of the lab is some OMG moment does have some credibility. Would account for their initially odd behavior but hey they always act weird, like all Comunist so who knows? Much more likely their eating habits snakes, bats, rats, etc. Only a minority of the Chinese eat that stuff but only takes one case and a little time to start an epidemic. Same thought as you on a rush job virus. I'll let someone else take the first batch.

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Robertdav298
2/3/2020 19:17 EST

Apparently, some these posters have not been to "mainland china", the real china.
I have personally seen the suffering and the starvation, one must keep in mind that this is a communist country.

Does anyone trust the "CHINESE GOVERNMENT"? In the bigger, western style cities such as SHANGHAI, SHENZEN, HONG KONG and of course BEIJING, there are areas that appear to send a signal that China is doing well.

However; if you had the chance to visit smaller cities, your opinion would change.

Example; if you were on a USA Tour and visited DC, LA, LAS VEGAS, MIAMI and NY, the areas you toured would show how nice the US is doing.
BUT if you went to the slums of LA, SF, Baltimore, Detroit or Chicago, you would have a differnt opinion I am sure. The homeless situation alone is out of control.
China is no different, just on a larger scale because of the "over population". China does not have shelters, churches or government sponsered help.

Like I said, they would have no trouble killing millions of their population, without resolve.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/3/2020 20:06 EST

Robertdav298


You're too deep into the conspiracy and missing the logic. First of all none of us disagree with you that there are some cesspools that people live in in the world everywhere.... And you can say China and India both having competing populations are probably some of the worst.


You mentioned an example of the US tour visiting DC and showing how nice DC is representing the US. Since I have worked and been in DC quite a bit I can tell you that when Japanese tourists get off the bus for the first time they'd literally take pictures of the bum sitting on the heat grade before they snapped pictures of the Smithsonian all around them. To the Japanese is freaking amazing the richest country in the world and the first thing I see want to get off the bus is a bum.... Trust me a really stinky one


But let's say you want to build a biologic some seriously evil stuff. First of all you might use something like Ebola modified to work faster. You'd also released your new virus inside the slum I'm in the middle of Wuhan. You would make sure that your military quickly cordoned off the area somewhat surprisingly fast. You would make sure your soldiers and policemen were inoculated against what ultimately would kill your target population. When a target populations gone you bulldoze it down and make a nice solar panel factory. This way you target people that the government feels are less desirable. Because this virus would burn out quickly you could reclaim the land with little fear many issues.


But that's not what happened was it? First of all China decoded this weather made by nature are in a lab and sent to coding to the rest of the world to try to come up with a vaccine. Essentially they have released the golden ticket so the genetically will be able to figure out where the original patient zero was and what animal it may have derived from. You do not spend billions of dollars on hospitals you can put up in 10 days.


You do not risk economic collapse when you're already fighting a trade war with Pres. Trump and know that most your products are not going to make it overseas because the guy who drives the truck is sick or simply not allowed to drive outside of the city. Also the world consumers will be scared to buy Chinese goods of different types misunderstanding that the virus might be somehow inside whatever they're buying.


This no doubt even on the simplest scale may hurt China's GDP by 1 to 2%. Even today a record number of a 125 people died. Foreign nationals that do business in China are leaving and Chinese and invest all over the world are being turned away at the border. This is a disaster for China that will likely kill a lot of people but not necessarily the people in the slum.


As strange as it may seem it may be a victory for Pres. Trump. Yes that's a bit morbid but were talking about Pres. Trump here. The fact that China will now be put in a major economic stress point and allows them to better negotiate out of the trade deal where China may have to take whatever they can get that turned themselves around.


Come to think of it maybe it was our lab that started it? That's actually a much better movie

Mark

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TheIslandGeneration
2/3/2020 20:51 EST

LarryKar


Yes, China has greatly changed the means to become the second-largest economy in the world all because I buy things at the dollar store and like my cell phone. As Robertdav298 points out some places a horrible and their horrible slums without any help. As we all know China implemented a one-child policy many years ago this was to curb population, not a virus. China has since cut back on the one-child policy and of course, they wouldn't do this if they didn't feel they could support it. But it is also created another issue one being there are more males after the one-child policy than females. This was caused by selective abortion not instituted by the government but by those who wanted a male to pass on the family name. And it's also created an end-user retirement situation called 4-2-1 this is where for grandparents and a mother and father are being taken care of by one sibling. The retirement fund used to have lots of kids and they will take care of you... That's upside down now.


I think China's odd behavior as you put it was that they wanted to contain it. He even punished doctors that posted on social media. One of the doctors had to sign papers of his confession and then he got the virus how convenient. No facemask for you get back to work.


Alarm bells would be ringing around the world if any government just thought this was a lab-based virus. And I will remind everyone that Bill Gates last year clearly said I coronavirus in a wet market in China would break out someday soon... He was right on the money as he usually is. You have to keep in mind that many times even things like Ebola breakout but die out quickly. But a coronavirus is simply a regular cold virus it also is present in several different animals. We know that viruses in animals can jump to humans usually through 3rd host like a duck or a swine. But in a small village, these things may burn out quickly.


I believe the Chinese tried to keep it under wraps thought they could probably control it just like Ebola has been controlled in African countries. Unfortunately being quiet when the Chinese new year had already started to approach and people were already traveling created a pandemic situation never seen being played out in real-time. Even the US government has said nothing to worry about,
it's not that bad, it doesn't spread easily, even Trump said we have this is completely under control. The US is guilty also of spreading misinformation. Almost every day a new country of infection comes about. It's irresponsible to say we have it under control when it has up to two-week incubation time. The US might be able to tame this however other countries such as the Philippines and many others will find it incredibly difficult to quickly evaluate. Even in the Philippines, the last people that were Chinese their tests were sent to Australia for evaluation. Think of Indonesia or more dangerously in my opinion in India with a population soon surpassed China.


Even China is turning away people that have a temperature and telling them to go home and don't test them so they're not counted as confirmed cases. Remember the numbers we're seeing our confirmed. This means the actual numbers are incredibly high. Also, the number of people recovered right now is almost the same as the people who have died a large number are still sick.


So I agree with you this is an epidemic I guess soon to be a pandemic. We have an understanding of the x-ray photos it resembles SARS. Pneumonia associated with it spreads out to the outer edges of the lungs which is unusual for pneumonia. And just like the Chinese person who died in the Philippines he was getting better and then suddenly the pneumonia portion of a virus took over probably because of his weakened immune system fighting it for over a week. But this also could be bacterial pneumonia or some other form of pneumonia no one's releasing that information which would be good to now because we have at least two good vaccines that might be able to slow down or stop the pneumonia component but no one is considering that.


The smartest thing now is to try to figure out how to protect oneself from what probably is going to happen. Mask is worthless. People in Wuhan that are not infected but stay inside their apartments probably are in the safest spot. If they have some entrepreneur food delivery people that you get food dropped off at the door pay them electronically and let the food sit there a few hours since viruses tend not to live too long outside of a host. Time is on their side plus and this can go good or bad viruses tend to mutate. We're probably a long way off from a virus that can be reproduced in quantities to protect the world.


It's always interesting to watch sci-fi movies it just sucks to be in one

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rebtop
2/3/2020 21:18 EST

Robert .. you missed the slums of the Appalachia. Drugs and trump. Don’t the Chiefs play there?. My mistake. They play in Kansas. How dumb am i?

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surfingcebu
2/3/2020 22:15 EST

Robert - Been to China many times in various capacities . People just dont know what they are dealing with China ... they go on a sheltered tour and they think they know whats going on there . Not a clue .

the outback is an out ditch /sewer , the monitoring is out of this world . expect NO privacy . 400 MILLION facial and emotion recognition fixed cameras - who knows how many Mobile units 10 Million + anyway . Very state of the art! Listening devices everywhere . VPN's are / is breaking the law . Millions of people 'missing' .Use "we chat" at your own peril . I could go on . and on and on

very unsafe , after scratching the surface .

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gypsyquokka
2/4/2020 03:26 EST

The islandgeneration: Thanks for your postings about China. You logic is refreshing and makes complete sense. Robertdav wrote that many posters on this site should go visit China and not on a tour, to see the real country. Reasonable Surfing is the "expert" - he says about China. I wonder how many years either of them spent living in China. They do not say but critical of any posts that conflict with their preconceived ideas. I lived in Sichuan and other provinces for over 5 years from 2004. True that much of China is not a beautiful garden and all smiles - but what country is??? Compared to 1972 when i first visited the mainland the changes are immense and standard of living for hundreds of millions has vastly improved. Some have been left behind but so have many in all developed countries. I see this present Coronavirus as being bad for China economically, but they are spending many millions to try and control the spread. Not easy for most of the citizens where the they permitted outside once every 2 days to go shopping and wear compulsory masks. Other countries are assisting with removing their citizens from China and providing medical assistance and supplies, as per requests from Beijing. Coronavirus has happened before in China but not in such a crowded location. China has the ability and will to overcome the problems in short time. Thanks again for posting LOGIC, and not scare tactics.

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MrMakati
2/4/2020 10:24 EST

H1N1 killed almost 300,000 people and affected over 20 countries. It originated in the USA. Imagine the US gov't imposing strict curfew on the Americans?

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surfingcebu
2/4/2020 11:03 EST

Gypsy - Spent 7 years in china all added up . Mostly Government work .
for your information, I respect other opinions . If I disagree with them , it doesn't mean I dont respect them . Quite an adult that way . You and I can differ , but, "... I will defend your right to YOUR opinion to the day is long !!! " .

peace and happiness be with you in your journey Gypsy : Surf !

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darkfader24
2/4/2020 17:06 EST

MrMarkati - These days America might. We are obviously learning to take these things very seriously.

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tombalita1
2/4/2020 19:48 EST

Very dumb Rebtop. Will you watch the State of the Union address? Very dumb question I gurs. ??

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TheIslandGeneration
2/4/2020 23:34 EST

MrMakati


You're completely right trying to lock down the city in the United States of any reasonable size would just not work well. Americans want to go wherever they want to go and they certainly don't want any authority to stop them. That's probably why most of us die in zombie movies.... Just too damn stubborn to stay still.


H1N1 made the jump from swine/pigs to humans. It's like a one in a billion hop. But when it happens either the pig or the human has no immunity. And some animal probably a bat in some way made the jump in the novel coronavirus.


In the case of H1N1 we didn't stop it and a lot of people died before it burned out or mutated out. The Chinese may have been a little slow at releasing information but which country wouldn't be? I think China is now in crazy please stop this thing.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/5/2020 00:21 EST

One thing that's been bugging me about the news and the coronavirus. News reporters and even the health department, Centers for Disease Control etc. have been saying repeatedly how the coronavirus just isn't that dangerous. They have stated that SARS killed 800 people and remained much more dangerous.


As everyone in the health industry lost her mind. Doesn't take a very skilled mass petition to look up SARS and realize it lasted just a little over eight months and killed.... Wait for it... About 800 people.


The coronavirus has only been in full swing for about a month actually spotted it seems back in December 1 but that was probably some of the first patients. Since then as of today it is killed 500 people in 30 to 40 days. That is much more deadly and an unprecedented scale than SARS.


SARS just didn't spread that readily and had limitations at how well it moved from one person to another. This novel coronavirus is spreading like a regular old flu. It is also infected people who don't seem to be showing symptoms or are only mildly affected.


Only the Chinese seem to understand and are building hospitals in nine days that hold thousand people. That has to be a new Guinness world book of records candidate.


Of course no one really asked the more poignant question so China just had these thousand bed hospital plans just laying around ready to go?


But any disease that kills people this vast and also replicate throughout the population as quickly as dangerous then add the fact that according to the statistics only about 500 people have actually recovered from the 25,000 infected that is not a good ratio at this point.


So you might want to make her friends with the doctor get those antiviral medicines Thailand using some Tamiflu really recommend that pneumonia shot. Because if it turns into a pandemic everyone will run out of supplies. There are over 20 other countries that have a small number of cases but those seem to be going up slowly and there's patient transmission to new infected going on. If you think about it this is exactly what happened in China back in December a small number of people are technically probably one person pass that on to others and then exponentially expanded. Containing a disease that added 5000 new cases just in one day is not contained.

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redlandchuck
2/5/2020 01:19 EST

I dont understand why the President is so much defensive and supportive of China when most Filipinos as well as the rest of the world dislike and dont trust China,

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Robertdav298
2/5/2020 01:35 EST

REDLAND.......its all about economics and $$$$$.....the RP needs China

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DavaoDelSur1
2/5/2020 01:56 EST

When the Center for Disease Control says the Coronavirus isn't dangerous, they are pointing to only about 2% die from it. Those that die are mostly over 60 and 75% of those had other health problems.
If these parameters fit, you might have to hunker down and have other shop for you if outbreak hits your area.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/5/2020 11:47 EST

DavaoDelSur1


I agree with you especially the part where you have people deliver your food so you don't go out shopping in a crowded food stall or wet market in the Philippines.


Your numbers I agree with but if we go a little deeper into those numbers we see a different result.


First of all you're correct the CDC states that the death rate for 2019-nCov "appears to be higher than the regular flu"


The CDC uses a R0 scale to determine how infectious a virus is. Essentially this is a ratio of how many people are infected versus how many people die. The New England Journal of Medicine estimated that the new coronavirus at a rating of 2.2 meaning each infected person has been spreading the virus to average of 2.2 people. The regular flu going around as a value of 1.3. This immediately makes the new coronavirus more infectious than the regular virus.


There could be a number of reasons the regular flu may have a low R0 rate. It could be affected by the flu vaccine cutting down on the cases. Not really sure because because no one's published the effective rates are the current vaccines on regular flu. Could be the director flu just isn't that deadly or dangerous.


But usually regular flu cases are calculated on those who got the flu and who recovered. That gives you the ratio


The problem going on here is that this is an emerging epidemic. It seems the numbers being calculated are on the people that are sick versus the people dying. This ratio holds true when you consider 20,500 are infected and 500 had died. But that is not what is happening the numbers are (I am rounding) 25,000 are listed as confirmed infected, this means they are still in the hospital or home and not recovered. The number listed as recovered is only 1,028.


These numbers which can be verified at "Coronavirus 2019-nCoV Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE Map." The US regular flu has the advantage of taking a look at a large number of recovered individuals versus those who got the flu so the ratios are probably more in line.


If you look at these numbers in a different way you show 1028 recovered but 50% of those died. The other 23,500 are waiting to be counted either way. It's logical to assume that as we get better at figuring how to treat the situation more people will cover. But for the CDC or others to say this is less dangerous really means and not looking at their own numbers.


Since most of us are over 60 and may have one condition such as asthma, diabetes, blood pressure, or heart issue or dating medicines to suppress immune for arthritis. The virus can be particular rough on this and that also is showing in the numbers but not all the time as an example the person who died in the Philippines from China was only 44 and actually improving before he got severe pneumonia. This probably happened because of a weakened immune system from the virus and an opportune normally and check pneumonia took over.


But I agree completely with the idea of the food on the porch having someone else deliver. Then letting it sit there for period of time. Viruses don't live very long out of a host or from a sneeze on any surface. Unfortunately isolation is the best defense in a pandemic. We just need to see how these numbers continue to pan out and what the percentages of recovered versus those deceased. But keep in mind people can't make it in the hospitals they cannot get counted as having the virus because it's not confirmed. This means actual infected may be astronomically higher in the incubation stage

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TheIslandGeneration
2/5/2020 12:15 EST

DavaoDelSur1


I agree with you especially the part where you have people deliver your food so you don't go out shopping in a crowded food stall or wet market in the Philippines.


Your numbers I agree with but if we go a little deeper into those numbers we see a different result.


First of all you're correct the CDC states that the death rate for 2019-nCov "appears to be higher than the regular flu"


The CDC uses a R0 scale to determine how infectious a virus is. Essentially this is a ratio of how many people are infected versus how many people die. The New England Journal of Medicine estimated that the new coronavirus at a rating of 2.2 meaning each infected person has been spreading the virus to average of 2.2 people. The regular flu going around as a value of 1.3. This immediately makes the new coronavirus more infectious than the regular virus.


There could be a number of reasons the regular flu may have a low R0 rate. It could be affected by the flu vaccine cutting down on the cases. Not really sure because because no one's published the effective rates are the current vaccines on regular flu. Could be the director flu just isn't that deadly or dangerous.


But usually regular flu cases are calculated on those who got the flu and who recovered. That gives you the ratio


The problem going on here is that this is an emerging epidemic. It seems the numbers being calculated are on the people that are sick versus the people dying. This ratio holds true when you consider 20,500 are infected and 500 had died. But that is not what is happening the numbers are (I am rounding) 25,000 are listed as confirmed infected, this means they are still in the hospital or home and not recovered. The number listed as recovered is only 1,028.


These numbers which can be verified at "Coronavirus 2019-nCoV Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE Map." The US regular flu has the advantage of taking a look at a large number of recovered individuals versus those who got the flu so the ratios are probably more in line.


If you look at these numbers in a different way you show 1028 recovered but 50% of those died. The other 23,500 are waiting to be counted either way. It's logical to assume that as we get better at figuring how to treat the situation more people will cover. But for the CDC or others to say this is less dangerous really means and not looking at their own numbers.


Since most of us are over 60 and may have one condition such as asthma, diabetes, blood pressure, or heart issue or dating medicines to suppress immune for arthritis. The virus can be particular rough on this and that also is showing in the numbers but not all the time as an example the person who died in the Philippines from China was only 44 and actually improving before he got severe pneumonia. This probably happened because of a weakened immune system from the virus and an opportune normally and check pneumonia took over.


But I agree completely with the idea of the food on the porch having someone else deliver. Then letting it sit there for period of time. Viruses don't live very long out of a host or from a sneeze on any surface. Unfortunately isolation is the best defense in a pandemic. We just need to see how these numbers continue to pan out and what the percentages of recovered versus those deceased. But keep in mind people can't make it in the hospitals they cannot get counted as having the virus because it's not confirmed. This means actual infected may be astronomically higher in the incubation stage

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Robertdav298
2/5/2020 19:38 EST

Island, something to consider, I am always skeptical anytime I see numbers coming out of China or in fact most Southeast Asian countries. Maybe it is just me but they do not seem to have the sense of urgency that we have in the west. Typically, they wait days before reporting anything and sometimes they do not report it at all.

I have personally witnessed this on many occasions.

So with that in mind there could be droves of people in China that are infected but not reported especially in the smaller villages, miles from the epicenter.

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Robertdav298
2/5/2020 19:44 EST

ALL, at my daughters school in CEBU, all students and faculty are required to wear masks.
Before entering the school they have setup a medical station, monitoring temperature and also hands are washed with alcohol. Anyone with a temperature of 36.5 or higher is sent home.
This also applies to any visitors, outside delivery of food is not allowed.

I applaud the school administration for being proactive during this time.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/5/2020 22:00 EST

Robertdav298


I agree with you on the numbers I think there's a lot of underreporting. I noticed that on Sunday a number of cases were very flat but on Monday were at the highest level. That in itself indicates no one was reporting anything on Sunday or the data wasn't getting loaded or something.


Also today there was an announcement that 5 million Chinese left Wuhan prior to the lockdow as part of the new year celebrations. This is probably why it showing up all over China right now in small amounts but keep in mind we have a long incubation time.


I think it's smart for the Philippines and the United States to close down the borders is much as possible. And they all would also say that the World Health Organization known as WHO was a week behind in declaring this an emergency. And then after that suggested country should not close the borders for travel. Seriously I'm wondering why we have a World Health Organization. An almost similar problem happened with Ebola in the World Health Organization.


If you go to the Chinese website for their disease control and hit the Google translate button you'll see that they actually also list those people in serious condition. That's listed at like 3,500. We also know that many people have been turned away or not tested due to lack of even getting in the hospital. So these are all undocumented because the numbers are confirmed cases not real cases.


It's interesting that the Chinese condemned the US for cutting off travel but yet the people in Hong Kong have tried to completely shut down travel from mainland into Hong Kong and even the medical staff have gone on strike.


The numbers are probably look at now although keep in mind the big take weeks to develop will be outside of China. For instance Thailand only had like five people now they have 25 people.


But you're correct in underreporting also in an aspect of when people fear they'll be put in confinement or in a hospital with a bunch of other sick people they may opt to stay away which allows them to spread the disease. China has been treating this lately anyone without a mask gets fine and if they argue they've shown video wrestling them to the ground. Same with people refusing to have temperatures taken a wrestling match with security ensues.


One barometer of problems was the huge drop in the Chinese stock market on Monday

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redlandchuck
2/5/2020 22:03 EST

no China needs RP more Most of the world hates China so they love to have someone here to polish their shoes. Wait a couple years when Chinese own everything here

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redlandchuck
2/5/2020 22:03 EST

no China needs RP more Most of the world hates China so they love to have someone here to polish their shoes. Wait a couple years when Chinese own everything here

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TheIslandGeneration
2/5/2020 22:20 EST

Robertdav298

This is really good of the school is set up this level of careful observation and screening.


I would add and maybe you can get this information to the school and everyone else should pay attention. This virus is not acting normally like you would think a virus might. One observation that's being noted quite regularly is that no one has a runny nose and most people are getting intestinal problems. And some people are not showing symptoms at all but are carrying the virus in high concentrations when tested.


Another major issue for everyone to pay attention to ... Is a statement made that reads and I quote..


Zhan Qingyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at the China-Japan Friendship Hospital, said even people who have recovered may not be immune to the virus.


"For those patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of a relapse," he said in a briefing on Friday. "The antibody will be generated; however, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long."


This would of course mean that a vaccine may equally not provide immunity if this is true. So far as of yet have not heard any other organization or hospital confirmed this statement. But if true this could be quite catastrophic that you would need people already with a weakened immune system from the first battle could be reinfected and that could be quite devastating.


I do believe vaccines will come out quickly and China will probably allow immediate testing instead of the normal long time frames. Vaccine are now being grown in different ways than using last year's egg process. And because this virus is similar to SARS and shares about 80% of its genetic makeup and could be geared up quickly. Just everybody given mines changes daily

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DavaoDelSur1
2/6/2020 23:16 EST

Dr. Li Wenliang the doctor in China that is widely regarded as a hero for blowing the whistle on the threat posed by the Wuhan coronavirus has died. He also gave a live interview live while under treatment. He was harassed by Chinese censors, who then backed off. The time of his death is under suspicion. The Chinese people are pissed at censorship and their belief that State Media is trying to control the narrative even of Dr. Li's death.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Chinese government killed him to send a message. In fact I will lean that way till proven otherwise.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/7/2020 01:13 EST

DavaoDelSur1


Everything was suspicious about this once the Chinese government reprimanded Dr. Li Wenliang for sending ”false information on social messaging. He basically said early on that the virus was much worse than was known at the time and was warning other doctors.


While I am not that big on conspiracies this one does seem a bit glaring. The Chinese government words big to show his signature on this reprimand. When he first saw that look like there was blood on it but that seems to be just red stamps by some officials. It looks scary of course that probably was the point.


The next photo of him was him being sick in the hospital. But a strange photo at best it shows someone holding up his Dr. ID near his chest as they take the photo. I certainly cannot imagine any of his fellow doctors or staff doing that. It seems much more theatrical to say this is the whistleblower. And then in a very short period of time he dies. Of course what looks impressive that he has an oxygen delivery system and in a hospital bed but it doesn't really tell you what happened after the photo was taken.


Someone has just created a smart contract on ethereum (like bitcoin ) with source codes in the shape of a monument in memorial of Dr. Li Wenliang.


The source codes of the "Monument" contract, created around 2:30 UTC on Friday, wrote down the biography of Dr. Li in Chinese with a highlighted "R.I.P" and his contribution as a medical expert to alerting others of the danger of the virus as early as Dec. 30

The creation of the smart contract, which now becomes immutable and can't be censored on a blockchain encryption, comes at a time when Chinese netizens are showing widespread sadness and furor on messaging application WeChat and social media Weibo. All other references on social media about Dr. Li Wenliang have been censored or deleted but certainly not by the people of China.


Like you I believe they silenced him to prove a point.

Another strange event that happened with this was that he died twice. The actually announced one day that he was dead and that was picked up in numerous Chinese media then the next day the hospital said he wasn't dead and they were trying to save him but only a few hours later they say he died of heart failure. Heart failure when did that become a symptom? Did someone in the Chinese government released a little too soon that he died before maybe they should have.


You can check out the story at https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/asia/china-li-wenliang-whistleblower-death-timeline-intl-hnk/index.html

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LarryKar
2/7/2020 02:26 EST

Re: Dr Li Wenliang, It in no way decreases his bravery or the thanks owed but he was an Ophthalmologist not a Internel Medical Dr. He felt he became ill working so closely with his sick patients. His first outreach was to fellow Ophthalmologists. Which does seem very odd as to why the Central Government came down so hard and fast if they did not already know " something ".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-doctor-who-issued-early-warning-on-virus-dies-11581019816

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rebtop
2/7/2020 06:14 EST

Larry. Great observation. They did know something. And got caught.

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DavaoDelSur1
2/7/2020 12:06 EST

How would you like to be one of the 3700 quarantined people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship off Tokyo ? 61 passengers have tested positive for Corona, I prefer mine with lemon. :)

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darkfader24
2/7/2020 15:49 EST

DavaoDelSur1 - You guys are all correct. And the Chinese Gov't is a Ticking Time Bomb. Can you imagine being stuck on board with 61 Corona Infected Passengers on the Diamond? Dear Goodness - it could be getting into the ventilation systems and spreading throughout the ship - to passengers AND crew members. It's like something out of a Saturday B Movie Matinee - only not entertaining!

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surfingcebu
2/7/2020 17:16 EST

Dark , good comments ! As you know NOTHING happens by chance in China . The death of the Virus doctor was a result of him tarnishing the reputation of the thugs that run the country ....as the PR Communist unit did not have time to scrub the message before he spoke !

Very sad . Ask any Chinese where would they rather be ( off the grid and cameras ) . North Scotland or China ? The answer is very predicable .....even despite the Scotts ! :)

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LarryKar
2/7/2020 18:26 EST

DavaoDelSur1 Cruise Ship...There is a slaughter house at the edge of our " big town" when I drive by I always see cows waiting out in the pen for their turn. Kind of how I would feel being stuck on that ship waiting for symptoms to appear. Feel bad for them. But have to almost laugh or maybe cry at some of the Americans. Calling for Trump to rescue them. What on earth do they think he can do? They are not political prisoners. They are there to protect others from this virus. Yes it's tragic and not fair but what is in life?

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Robertdav298
2/7/2020 19:45 EST

All good points......imagine if you are DT and trying to negotiate a trade deal with China.......these people are ruthless bastards and could give a hoot about human rights.......like I said before, Americas biggest threat by far is China....not Russia.

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gelynch52ph
2/7/2020 20:36 EST

If the people on the ship are (brown) Filipinos, tRump could give a rat's a**

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Robertdav298
2/7/2020 21:47 EST

GE......are you a relative of Adam Schiff?

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tombalita1
2/7/2020 22:17 EST

Bob, I think he must be related to Adam!

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Earnestndeavor
2/7/2020 23:32 EST

Robert, are parrots considered relatives?

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minocqua
2/7/2020 23:42 EST

QUESTION ; Anyone follow ' Serpentza ' on youtube ? he posted a vid 2 /7 / 202o . on corona .. im up for your opinions ....salamat

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Robertdav298
2/8/2020 19:39 EST

TOM....enjoy your trip back......by the way these people posting why Filipino Visa's are being held up must not realize that the US is now in extreme vetting mode.

Especially, people that come from a country where there is known terrorists i.e Mindanao. Nothing wrong with being to careful I say.
Considering D30's policy with the rebel groups. He has shown the willingness to just let them alone instead of wiping them out once and for all. It is like putting a bandaid on an artery from bleeding.

Thought Mindanao is to the Philippines what THE MIDDLE EAST is to the US.

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darkfader24
2/9/2020 17:27 EST

"1984, anyone? - George Orwell



A Chinese lawyer and citizen journalist has gone missing after his video reports from Wuhan about coronavirus went viral on platforms like Twitter and YouTube.

34-year-old Chen Qiushi previously gained traction on Chinese social media platforms like Weibo for reporting on peaceful protests in Hong Kong, but his Chinese social media accounts were deactivated after he was questioned by the Chinese government.

CNN reports Chen's friends and family have been able to access his accounts, and say police told them he was "detained in the name of quarantine," but have not confirmed his location.

Since Thursday night, friends and family of Chinese lawyer Chen Qiushi have been unable to reach him. They say the citizen journalist was forcibly quarantined by Wuhan police after disseminating viral video reports about coronavirus.

CNN reports that 34-year-old Chen's disappearance gained traction on Weibo, a Chinese social media platform similar to Twitter, at the same time that users expressed outrage over the death of the doctor Li Wenliang, another 34-year-old from northeast China who was reprimanded for spreading information about the Wuhan coronavirus to his medical school's alumni group chat at the onset of the outbreak.

Li later contracted coronavirus while treating patients in Wuhan and died on February 6, sparking outrage around the country. Academics have since signed open letters demanding that the Chinese government enforce its own freedom of speech protections in the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, and hashtags demanding freedom of speech have trended on Weibo – and then been censored, CNN reports.

Simultaneously, Chen's reporting from Wuhan was going viral on platforms like Twitter, where he has nearly 250,000 followers, and YouTube, where he has more than 430,000 subscribers. Chen initially livestreamed himself on Weibo, but his profile was deactivated by Chinese officials after he reported on peaceful protests in Hong Kong in 2019.

A video Li uploaded to YouTube on January 29 featured himself describing a shortage of resources in the Wuhan as overwhelmed medical staff treated coronavirus patients. It has been viewed more than 2 million times.

Li visited Wuhan after the Chinese government-imposed lockdown quarantined its citizens, and he visited hospitals, funeral parlors, and isolation wards to speak with affected residents. He wore makeshift goggles and masks and described his precarious situation as "the virus in front of me and behind me China's law enforcement."

Li's friends and family have since been using his social media profiles to draw attention to his disappearance
At the outset of Wuhan coronavirus, doctors like Li described it as SARS-like. The virus has since become more deadly than SARS, with more than 800 people dead and at least 37,000 people infected globally.

After his viral Hong Kong broadcasts, Chen traveled to Wuhan in late January to do on-the-ground reporting. Chinese citizens are unable to access platforms like YouTube and Twitter, but many people use virtual private networks to access them. Previously, Chen had more than 740,000 Weibo followers, and promised he would continue to speak out.

Chen's friends and family have been able to access his social media accounts since his disappearance, using the login he left for them in case he lost access. His friends say they were checking in with him multiple times a day, and that the citizen journalist stopped answering calls Thursday night.

His mother and close friends have since uploaded videos saying that police in Qingdao, where Chen's family lives, notified his parents that Chen had been "detained in the name of quarantine." They have not released his location, Chen's friends and family say.

Chen's close friend Xu Xiaodong, a mixed martial artist, says he believes Chen was in good health prior to his disappearance. Chen's friends are now worried for his physical safety and fear he could get infected by coronavirus.

On Weibo, news of Chen's disappearance is picking up traction. CNN reports that users with large followings are beginning to ask questions – but as Chen has stated before on his channel, his name is a sensitive topic, and Chinese citizens are discouraged from speaking about him online.

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DavaoDelSur1
2/9/2020 18:47 EST

China doesn't acknowledge mistakes it just erases them. Trump just wishes he has this much power.

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rebtop
2/10/2020 05:52 EST

Davao.. Hey, give tRump time. He is working on it. He just needs 4 more years. By that time he will have more power than Kim, Putin and Xi combined. He will try to shoot some one 5th to prove how powerful he is. And his enablers wont care. Just look at what he is doing now to his political enemies. Especially my military brothers. This draft dodger is truly SCARY.

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rebtop
2/10/2020 06:01 EST

Chen was spreading FAKE NEWS. He was a liar who disobeyed the president, Xi. Anyone in China who disagrees with the president is in danger of disappearing, if only metaphorically. They are slandered by the most powerful person in the country. Fired from their jobs. With no recourse at all. AND what exactly do you see wrong with this????

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surfingcebu
2/10/2020 07:33 EST

Redtop- how did you become a steen Trump hating leftist? You don’t like a very robust economy, national security , boarder protection once and for all and so on. Canada would give their left Nut to have your President!!! We have a lefty Liberal that is tanking our economy, and everything is pro LGBTQRDDT+++ . Your one of those I gather?

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surfingcebu
2/10/2020 07:39 EST

Redtop- I agree with your insight into emperor Xi. Very dangerous Thug .

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tombalita1
2/10/2020 11:31 EST

Surf,
Guess I’m too old or just not up to date, but I’ll be the one to ask where others might be hesitant.
Lesbian
Bisexual
Gay
Transgender
Queer
R ?
D ?
D ?
T ?

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rebtop
2/10/2020 20:13 EST

Surf. How do you measure success? Trillion dollar deficit? Success! Trickle down tax cuts that enrich the rich and impoverish the impoverished? Success! Slander the 4th estate and call it freedom from corruption? Success! Destroy the military establishment and call them traitors and divide the country permanently. Success! So who’s the moron? Moron.

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Robertdav298
2/25/2020 19:20 EST

DARK.......the latest reports from SKOR is that the VIRUS is spreading and they unable to contain it.

This is bad news for the RP as there is plane load after plane load of Koreans flying into the RP daily.

Question is, what will D30 do as this definitley hurts tourism and his economy.

Funny thing about this was early on when the reports of the virus were coming out of China, SOKOR was silent about this and had many people wondering about this.

Question is did the governement pull a CHINA and not report?

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darkfader24
2/26/2020 06:27 EST

Robert - This "Plague" is definitely a Plague! All the unforeseen consequences outside of the obvious. If D30 is trying to bypass money losses by letting So Koreans in right now - it will be very short lived. Can you say "MYOPIC"? The short sightedness is breath taking. Wait until there is a serious epidemic in the RP because of this. That will bring ALL tourism to a deadly stand still. Unbelievable.....

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DavaoDelSur1
2/26/2020 11:57 EST

This virus is going to get bad very quickly. The 1st of the month is a hand. I would suggest stocking up on essentials before they are almost gone and prices go up.
Most Expats are in the crosshairs of this virus, so be smart and follow protocol. If you don't have a flu shot, get one. Also stock up on medicine that might help quicken recovery or lessen symptoms.

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darkfader24
2/26/2020 15:24 EST

Davao - Very wise words. A flu shot is a good idea but it won't help with this particular thing. This is a different animal altogether - but still, a flu shot for other flus is a good idea. Definitely stock up on water, canned and non-perishable food items, batteries, masks and hand sanitizer if possible........... You are right about most expats being in the crosshairs - because of age. They say that people 60 years and older are by far the most vulnerable.

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Robertdav298
2/26/2020 20:46 EST

DARK, so far studies of this virus has shown that it thrives in colder climates and does not spread as easy in warmer climates.
Luckily for the RP, the summer season is coming and it will get very hot here, very soon. Still that does not mean to throw caution to the wind.
As the weather in the world warms up, look for this virus to wind down. However; that does not mean that it is stopped because as the climate changes we may hear of it again.
Hopefully by that time a vaccine has been devolped.

What bothers me the most is China's blatant neglect to inform the world community as soon as the virus was detected. Had they done that, the virus could have been contained in WUHAN as ALL TRAVEL out of WUHAN could have been stopped. Thus not allowing people to travel outside of CHINA.

Its no secret that CHINA does not care about their people. We tend to forget that CHINA is a COMMUNIST country!

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rebtop
2/27/2020 07:06 EST

Robert 90% of what you said about China i can mostly agree with. it is when you start interjecting your biased opinions that i take exception. China does care about it people. Same as US cares about its people. Can we attribute the actions of a person to all of a country?
US does not care about its military because tRump is removing our veterans from VA hospitals and sending them to private clinics. What a terrible country the US is.

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huskyboy
2/27/2020 08:09 EST

This whole epidemic is unfortunate. I had to cancel my upcoming trip because from where I am traveling in the US, all the incoming flights into Manila have connections stopping in countries that are on the do not fly list. Fortunately Delta airlines refunded my unrefundable tickets and upgrades.

What are my alternatives at this point?

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LovePhilly
2/27/2020 11:41 EST

Husky, you might be able to find a flight with a final layover in Hawaii or Guam.... maybe...

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LovePhilly
2/27/2020 11:43 EST

Also, there is a direct flight from LAX to Manila... I'm not positive but I think it's Asiana Airlines. You could fly to LAX then direct...

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tombalita1
2/27/2020 12:29 EST

Philippine Airlines, non-stop to Manila from, JFK, LAX, San Francisco (SFO) and Vancouver (YVR)

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tombalita1
2/27/2020 12:32 EST

Some of those flights may have a fuel stop if headwinds are light. Return flight is always a non-stop for tailwinds.

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tombalita1
2/27/2020 12:37 EST

That should have read: there's a fuel stop if headwinds are strong.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/27/2020 17:46 EST

darkfader24


I agree the flu shot for influenza would have no effect on COVID-19. As a matter fact I would not want to tax my immune system learning for different new viruses when I really needed to focus on one. There was only one vaccine made for SARS which is 80% similar to COVID-19. I just read the getting that out of the liquid nitrogen to see if they can modify it. SARS took 8 months to kill about 800 people out of the 8,000 infected (I rounded those slightly). November 2002 to June 2003 SARS was essentially a mini pandemic. Cost $30 and $50 billion to the global economy.


COVID-19 is a monster pandemic. The difference between it and SARS is the level at which it infects. In 60 days we 2,810 people die. Mainly in China but now they're starting to die all over the world including one in the Philippines. Test kits from the US and China are not working properly. SARS seems to have been more deadly with 10% dying but this virus has the ability to infect the population of the world (7.8 billion people). It's somewhat unknown how deadly it is estimates are between two and 3% that's higher than the regular flu. But also reports from China itself say they have documented at least 13 cases if not more people got better not clear to the various left the hospital and then came back with it again. I buyers you can get more than once that's pretty unique and frighteningly scary. This means immune system is either under reacting or when people die overreacting. If you remember the one individual that died in the Philippines was in the hospital a week and they were quite he was doing better but then in 24 hours he got pneumonia and died.


And although SARS ran eight months. US health official in front of Congress said we need additional funding for another year on this one. That was a simple drop of COVID-19 will be around a long time.


One way is to stay a hermit which I have to admit would work and I would consider it myself if things get out of hand.

You can follow my take on Covid-19 https://youtu.be/kEf8M4E_xnQ will be posting more videos Saturday or Sunday which cover things like some of the insanity going on but also something you might do to help with symptoms.


Also are you tracking what countries are successful with what medications. Thailand is an example hasn't had a death yet has had numerous illnesses that certain regiments are using.


You don't have to subscribe but if you want to feel free.

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Robertdav298
2/28/2020 04:45 EST

HUSKYBOY, PAL OFFERS DIRECT FLIGHTS FROM LAX TO MNL.

They also have direct flights from LA to CEBU.

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LovePhilly
2/28/2020 10:26 EST

I'm not saying this conspiracy theory is truth but it wouldn't surprise me to learn Chine engineered this virus and released it intentionally.

As a result of their "one child policy" over the years, they now have an aging population much larger than those coming behind to support it. 17% are now over 60 and that number will grow much higher over the next 10 years.

I'm not saying they did it but they are evil enough to do so. To intentionally thin the elderly.

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LovePhilly
2/28/2020 11:11 EST

Mark, I enjoyed your video. Informative. I'm prepared to become a hermit for at least six months. I should probably plan for a year if necessary. As long as fresh water continues to flow through my faucet, I'm fine.

I think we all should be prepared for this. It's coming big and fast. I also recommend moving money from the market to something more stable for a while (maybe bonds or gold).

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Robertdav298
2/28/2020 18:59 EST

DARK.....can you believe this, SKOR has reported the most infected population besides China, apparently from two main cities in SOKOR.
It was reported yesterday that a flight from one of these cities carrying 24 koreans landed in CEBU. Apparently the RP Government did not get the memo.

Now the RP DOH along with the Police are scrambling to find these passengers and bring them to quarantine.
First why did the SKOR government allow this flight to leave? That city should be under lockdown? Second, why did the RP allow this flight from SOKOR to land?
It appears somebody dropped the ball on this one.

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catabisis
2/28/2020 19:30 EST

Come on, you guys. The Corona Beer Virus is nothing more than a CIA plot to destabilize China while in the midst of trade negotiations. The flu kills tens of thousands more each and every year in the U.S. Don't take my word for it. Listen to the experts.
From a quick Google search-
"CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."

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DavaoDelSur1
2/28/2020 23:48 EST

cat using your CDC figures of 9,000,000 to 45,000,000 illnesses . There would be 180,000 to 900,000 deaths. A 20 fold higher in deaths is not a conspiracy.
I think 1 million dead Americans would leave us all knowing a casualty.

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Blkjack
2/29/2020 01:14 EST

Well so far it appears to be the most limited infected Southeast asian country to visit. That could easily change though.

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surfingcebu
2/29/2020 04:58 EST

Like I stated. I was in Shanghai about 10 months to a year ago and they were talking about the 'bad lung flu ' in mid China and the south . China Lied profusely , and kept it under wraps ....now for the world to enjoy !

They are also now working on the 'WHO' which they almost own outright now , vis-a-vis propaganda, bribes, and the like .

In all my years I have seen nothing like China and their evil motivations ... does not look good for our future generations, as a result ... The thugs who rule the country will stop at nothing ! Best be warned . NEVER give up your 9MM and your 15 clips ( one in the chamber,15 in the heel ) , you just may need it sooner than later . I see civil commotion and upset soon ....sadly . If Bernie ever got near the WH , the west would fall in 3-4 years .

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LarryKar
2/29/2020 05:47 EST

Surf you plan on taking on the PLA or the USMC with your 15 clips. Just curious. Down Rambo , at ease.

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rebtop
2/29/2020 07:33 EST

Surf. China is amoral and could wind up destroying a lot of civilization with their ignorance.
The people there seem to understand what an absolute dictator Xi is becoming. Some of what i read gives indications that a revolt may be brewing. Which also explains why face recognition technology is being installed everywhere. And the separating of Muslims from government. XI calls them very disloyal. Where have i heard that before?

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LovePhilly
2/29/2020 09:26 EST

Just in case anyone cares, a "clip" is where ammo is loaded inside the weapon like the M-1 Garand. It's also something a girl puts in her hair! lol.

What is being discussed it a "Magazine". Hollywood called the magazine a clip and confused everyone.

A 9mm is basically a large .22 cal. (Not literally). It's a pussy gun. It is adopted by NATO and some police departments so that the small hand of a lady can grip it. I recommend a .40 cal or a .45 cal (proven on the Japanese beaches of WWII).

Free advice. No charge. lol

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tlallen59
2/29/2020 11:39 EST

I lived in Nanjing for 2 years circa 97/98 and agree with everything you said. One observation I have is if they gave them all a baseball bats we don't have enough bullets!

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tombalita1
2/29/2020 12:16 EST

Tl,
When I was a kid on base in Germany (1963-65) my Dad told me if the Soviets rolled a thousand tanks toward us, our only chance for survival was tactical nuclear nukes.
Also, if their had been no truce in Korea, the Chinese would have kept pouring into the Korean peninsula and they had rifles.
I’ve heard one similar about baseball bats. They attack and you keep machine gunning them down until your barrels melt and they kill you all with baseball bats.

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LovePhilly
2/29/2020 12:58 EST

Tom and Allen,

Sometimes I type my thoughts here and have no idea the value of the experiences of those I communicate with. Your history and knowledge is so tremendously interesting to me. I was just a child soldier in 1986 near the end of the cold war. I missed most of the experiences you just related. You have amazing stories... I'd love to have lunch with you and hear about your lives.

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tombalita1
2/29/2020 13:16 EST

Breaking: First death from Coronavirus confirmed in the U.S.

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TheIslandGeneration
2/29/2020 13:29 EST

Catabisis


CIA plot to release of virus upon the world ,, holy Contras.... This is by no means of weapons grade virus. Not to say someone didn't have it in a weapons grade lab playing around with it and maybe it got out in its natural form or modified or it just like many viruses developed on its own from another animal species.


You'd be happy to know it has some aids like qualities similar to SARS. These are called ACE2 ... I don't get it confused with ace inhibitors that you use for high blood pressure extremely similar but different place.


Let's look why it would be a good biological weapon
I'm thinking
it kills old people more than young people?

It doesn't have Dustin Hoffman in it so it can't be Outbreak.


Why it's not a weapon or release by the CIA.


It spreads way too quickly I mean extremely fast. It's extremely stealthy making it difficult to contain. A number of cases in China and one in Japan have been clearly identified as people that were cured from the virus and then returned later with the virus again. I don't know too many viruses okay maybe *syphilis that you can keep getting. Usually your body builds immunity this one doesn't seem to always do that or maybe it never does.


*By the way that's a reference to the book the eyes of darkness who coined the phrase Wuhan 400 for the virus he said it spread like syphilis

Coronavirus is not the beer have been around a while because the common cold. And you know what we haven't come up with a vaccine for the common cold coming up with a vaccine for this will be difficult and probably have limited functionality.


Trump may have made serious political mistakes by saying this virus is very low here. By the time the election comes around it may be very high in a number of voters may have had some old uncle are grandfather die from it. Trump has tried to protect himself by throwing the vice president under the bus by putting him in charge. Don't worry once the VP gets the idea you have to use AIDS drugs antivirals to actually stop it from reproducing in the body that will give you cold feet just like the old days in Indiana. Won't it be somewhat ironic that the drug that could save us spring from the loins of gay guys? Look at her vice president saying Lord why are you testing me?


COVID-19 seems to be just one of those things viruses like to do in the wild. Not having much of a brain these simple things don't have any political boundaries or care about your ethnicity they just want to make you a host. But this one's particularly nasty and at least the current estimates around to the 3% death rate that's double the 1.6 normal influenza death rate.


The Philippines may be somewhat of a test ground for its ability to withstand heat keep in mind and has his first case in Brazil also. In the US my predictions are simple and different than present Trump's. This will escalate into something quite large first test gets set out by the CDC didn't work meeting a number of people went under the radar that were positive. The standards for testing were not modified until just recently eating that many did not get tested. No contact with Chinese or travel individuals are showing up to where they get the virus? This is a classic sci-fi movie in slow motion the only problem were in it.


Economically this will be a disaster for China first but the US and other countries are heavily tied into China's production is no way to turn that around on a dime or in this case a lot of dimes. Watch for the dollar store to become the two dollar store. Where shortage of medicines car parts and even that new phone you want start to become very scarce. China doesn't want this the US doesn't want this. Admittedly it gives trump more leverage to deal with China. It seems to me mother nature is the one winning and she's trying to thin the worldwide heard

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tombalita1
2/29/2020 18:44 EST

T.I.G.

Very interesting. Given your knowledge, what do you think about the following.

https://meaww.com/wuhan-coronavirus-warned-2017-lab-wuhan-deadly-diseases-escape-lab-level-4-safety-scientists

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TheIslandGeneration
2/29/2020 19:51 EST

tombalita1


The articles is good. It points out the shortcomings of labs that contain viruses and other pathogens. Employees do become careless and I also remember some additional stories about this lab where people had been urinated on or scratch by bats that they keep. This could take the person said they always did a two week self lockdown. But were all human who wants to stay in for two weeks.


Interestingly enough not too far from where I lived near Washington DC there was a lab in Virginia. Which imported monkeys I believe macaques from the Philippines. This area was Reston Virginia. A number of the monkeys had died while being shipped from the Philippines they then stored the monkeys in the lab and noticed they were dying. They were really lackluster with this. And these monkeys had Ebola which later became known as Ebola Reston even though its origination was the Philippines.


It infected some of the workers and I actually went to the same bar these guys went to in Tysons corner I believe it was called Clydes. They were they are probably drinking out of the same glass I was after was halfway washed. At the time a very popular watering hole. People did become sick and everybody went crazy around here. But Ebola is kinda hard to catch especially one limited to the macaque population.


So even the US has some slip-ups. I believe that the virus that is currently showing up in a new country every day could be natural or could have come from the lab as they were studying it in its natural form and may be seeing if it would and how that would happen. Of course this would make it very hard to distinguish between a natural occurrence and lab occurrence.


Keep in mind Ebola in Africa doesn't come from any lab it's been seen wildly in bats and breaks out often enough. What has changed is the population as the population grows the disaster becomes larger because the virus can jump more easily.


This virus COVID-19 is just in the group of Corona viruses. Corona viruses are all over the place in fact many different livestock dogs cats etc... But typically they stay within species usually takes an in between species like a pig or other domestic animal to make it jump from the wild to human. Since this virus does share 80% of its genome with SARS vaccines were worked on even back then I believe in 2003. But because SARS died out so to speak only after 8000 infections it just wasn't financially viable to continue to chase a vaccine no one would use.


Now of course that vaccine today might actually be useful if it could be tweaked out.

Another interesting thing is that we learn from China another lab actually sequenced the genome very quickly and China and released it to the world community. I just read recently that lab has been shut down by China and essentially punished or releasing that data. However they did what they should've done gave us a heads up.


China is deftly now in PR mode trying to make it all sound good cases are dropping. When none of this makes sense from a math standpoint. If you only have a few people infected in Italy and then all of a sudden it grows to hundreds if not thousands. Then how can China be in any form of containment with tens of thousand infected and then somehow people reinfected.


Seriously this is a sci-fi movie and were and it... Instead of watching it for two hours it might be a year long. It's kind of surreal.

But again this is not military grade weapon. A weapon kinda sucks if it blows up in your face or take out anything besides the target.


This virus does have strange qualities like being able to be reinfected, super spreaders, infected that show no symptoms but in fact are infectious, and appears in the US now is having no known contact with China at all in some patients then how did they get it?

The US unfortunately was also planning a PR game. They recently just silenced the head of the Centers for Disease Control. Because his last statement was more of the it's not and if it's old when were going to get infected... Not so attractive if you trying to get reelected. I don't really like this let's keep everybody calm before the asteroid hits crap.


Living in apartments and things of that order might actually not be a good thing. If you think of the diamond Princess ship people were getting infected like crazy up to 80 people a day right before they let them all loose. A number of people that have left that ship have now died. So did those people get the disease because they were still getting room service left at the door? Or was it in the ventilation system? No one got sick on the other side of the dock so it literally didn't jump ship until you let them off. So this means individual houses and if you can be a hermit and have people deliver food to you leave it on the front porch until the sun and heat bleach the virus out of it then you're probably safe.


But if it stays on surfaces is believed it does and that means every gas pump handle, every bathroom door even though you wash your hands you gonna use the handle to get out of the bathroom is infectious. And that becomes a very scary sci-fi movie. We'll see but I don't think the US is spared here the US government just being naïve. And it's also strange the Philippines haven't had any higher cases still three... I doubt that over 50% of all the retirement visas issued in the Philippines or for Chinese and South Koreans. It is who has the most infected people on the planet? And the ball traveled there before shutdowns could be implemented.


If the virus is affected by heat then Philippines brutally hot conditions and brownouts we actually be a good thing. In the US however it still cool I will call cold... So it's got a few months to ramp up will see if I'm right. But I suspect will be dealing with this for quite some time because the infection rate is way too high. Whether it came out of a lab or natural won't matter too much as one Chinese doctor put it I saw a patient's lungs turned to stone on the x-ray.

Just The Island generation's take... Stay well it likes to target old dudes like us.

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tombalita1
2/29/2020 20:41 EST

T.I.G.

Small world. I was at Clyde’s Georgetown last week. I know about the things they did at Ft. Detrick, but nothing about Ebola Reston. I went to the Philippines in January. I was flying Air China. The previous 2 days The Beijing to Manila segment was cancelled due to ash from the Taal eruption. The winds shifted from Manila towards Batangas and were able to land. A few days later, we heard about the virus. Before we left in early February a man in Dumagete had been diagnosed with The Corona virus. He was Chinese and had came from Wuhan in December. Our Air China flight to Dulles was cancelled, but when I checked it online, the Manila-Beijing link was still flying.
We had to buy a one way ticket on Korean Air. When we got to Dulles Feb 6, they knew we were originally on Air China and sent us to a medical screening area and questioned us about our activities in the Philippines. A few days later a county Public Health person called us to ask question also. At 67, I am watching my steps and becoming more “hermit like”.
Thanks for the vast info.

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Robertdav298
2/29/2020 20:44 EST

REBTOP.......the world must be ending, I agree with you......OMG

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LarryKar
2/29/2020 20:56 EST

TheIslandGeneration Very good and balanced post concerning Covid-19. I agree with your basic premise it was not weapons grade and not intentionally set lose but they may have been working with some form of the thing. I've read real immunologists have had some early success with some drugs used to treat AIDS virus. Pence was last seen in his office uncontrollable sobbing, " Lord why do you keep testing me?"

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surfingcebu
2/29/2020 22:20 EST

Love - A '45' in that clip , leaves a big hole . Sure it stops, but also a sure kill too ! guess its what your object it .

I have never heard of a 9mm , built for women to operate . huh ! , Learn something everyday !

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surfingcebu
2/29/2020 22:32 EST

the PLA would be a challenge , I must say ! However I do think civil unrest is very close these days . Society is breaking down in the west !

We dont call them 'clips' here anymore - we call them Magazines now ! HA!!! I remember in boot camp the word/phrase , "pass me a full clip" was used often . word police on the front line of war is nutty !

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TheIslandGeneration
2/29/2020 22:41 EST

LarryKar

Yes the AIDS drugs has got to be driving Pence crazy... Remember when he was back in charge of Indiana he didn't respond well to the AIDS crisis in the South. He was criticized as being very slow. Now ironically and AIDS drug you may have to deploy to saved those infected. Of course those drugs may not exist if the people didn't get AIDS. I'd say the Lord's Trying to freak him out.... It's okay he will ask his wife for advice.

On the part of using the AIDS drugs interestingly enough Thailand has always been the country have said to keep an eye on your using AIDS drugs and Tamiflu. And so far Thailand hasn't had one death. I understand the US is also using it on one patient but they didn't specify whom that was,

Kaletra is the AIDS drug. This drug is actually a combination of two other drugs (lopinavir and ritonavir). Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate). Tamiflu by the way was extracted from star anise... That spice used in things like Vietnamese soup. Yes I know I have a strange knowledge base

Kaletra can have some nasty side effects like pancreatitis and liver problems. Also you can't take it with V-i-a-g-r-a I'm seriously not making that up. It can also be dangerous if you have high triglycerides.

So it comes down to one of those diseases, this virus, that you have to decide which organ you like the best. For some reason now I feel like Pence

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LovePhilly
3/1/2020 00:04 EST

Hey Island guy, I enjoy your insight. You seem smart regarding the virus and I'm guessing you have a medical background. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, I sincerely think it's helpful to many. My only question is why the f*ck do you have to involve Mike Pence or Donald Trump in your discussion? First, there is a different thread for that. Second, it's just stupid.

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LarryKar
3/1/2020 00:12 EST

LovePhilly Calm yourself. Island was responding to my making a weak passing joke about Pence. Thought we could use a light moment. My we are sensitive aren't we?

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TheIslandGeneration
3/1/2020 01:53 EST

LovePhilly

Thanks for the compliments. Typically I try to stay away from the political side but in this case, the coronavirus czar became Mike Pence. That does make it part of the topic. All along present Trump has said nothing for Americans to worry about, everything is under control. But let me put my VP here so in case it all goes wrong I can blame him.

But you have to keep in mind if things go bad in the US and someone's uncle dies or the grandfather that was in good shape from this virus they are going to blame the current team that said everything was fine while at the same time cutting back the funds to the CDC. So the viruses become a political thing both with China and now the US.

In this topic, the coronavirus doesn't care who it kills or who it takes up as a host could be president could be a pope. The people in charge of the virus in the US should be medical and we all know that. Whether you're for or against Trump it is the virus that's going to make a decision on this topic and maybe the determining factor in the election.

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surfingcebu
3/1/2020 02:23 EST

Island generation- in China everything is political , yes even a virus , they are doing a CCP ad campaign now trying to boost its control and pump itself up , while people go w/o basic medicine in China . Everything is political , so you have to approach China this way - political .

The thugs (most of them) that run China have their family out of the Open Sewer and in safe havens . Xi's family is taking an extended stay in Cuba - odd how that works out huh ?

In China , I hear from boots on the ground crematoriums are operating at 110% . a diplomat is the source . They see body bags still moving , being loaded into crematoriums - great way to get rid of anti-party people huh ?

The diplomat went on to say China imported on 12% of energy that they did in 2018 vs. 2019 . Something is wrong with this picture too . They think their economy is imploding . Meanwhile Bernie 'admires ' China and takes his honeymoon in the Soviet Union .

Anywhere socialism has been tried it failed miserably with MASSIVE loss of life . Is Capitalism perfect , no , but a lot better alternative . you have a vote if you dont like it .

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surfingcebu
3/1/2020 02:29 EST

Love Philly - some people have TDS . a psychological infliction. They have to bring in hate for the President of the free world . Given the opportunity he would probably spread love for the UN, the WHO, and maybe even Venezuela - who knows . A couple of my buddies have it .

BTW - Im mostly up in Tarlac, Baguio, Bataan , Subic, and La Paz this year visiting friends . So if anyone has any questions on the area , let me know . Great people and great time this year again .... I sure miss my Negros gang BUT will visit the guys down there later this year I hope .

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rebtop
3/1/2020 06:21 EST

Thel..The unknown nature of this virus is why it is so dangerous. Seems to spread without direct contact with another person. The mortality rate seems very high and could change either way.
I just cut my trip short because of my fear of catching it.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 06:23 EST

Robert.. It is only ending for those who die.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 06:43 EST

Surf. While in the service, i used several calibers of guns. The most damage was cause by a 45 at close range. Then there was the 105 shot from a very long barrel. I still know how to use them if my training kicks in through need.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 06:47 EST

Thel.. impressive knowledge of drugs. Please keep us informed about what is happening with the treatment methods.
I would like to hear more.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 06:59 EST

Love. Geez. How can you separate treatment methods from the disease.? Most scientific methods involve drugs. Thoughts and prayers are another. Pence uses spiritual methods. Or maybe TheIslandgeneration person misspelled the word. Maybe it should have read penance for forgiveness of sins.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 07:08 EST

Surfing i love your enlightening posts. Especially your references. Not a one supports your conjectures. In fact there are no references. Sloppy posting.
Instead of just ranting, why don’t you do some research before you post. You will have more credibility. It is not too late to save your reputation..

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LovePhilly
3/1/2020 09:11 EST

Islandgeneration, well written. Bottom line is this thing is going to get bad and it has nothing to do with who is in office.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 10:07 EST

LOVE.. you are wrong.. it has a lot to do with who is in office. If an incompetent buffoon and his cage keepers are in office, we will all suffer the consequences.
This is going to become very expensive. Do your or members of you family have enough health insurance so they will not go bankrupt paying for care? Hope so.

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surfingcebu
3/1/2020 19:39 EST

rebtop- I bet you love correcting people .....especially spelling mistakes .
if you google ( cause you like that mode of research - force fed ) "key board warrior" I bet you find yoru picture .

Reference - school of logical thinking and 'if it walks like a duck ..." HA!!!

does humour rate on your list? . you seem very serious - overly so . almost Chronic focus . Ever had any health problems in this regard ? BOY ! I would love to see your medical file ! HA!!! I bet the yapping would stop then !

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TheIslandGeneration
3/1/2020 20:19 EST

The viruses us and spread around the world crazy mode I think we're up to 70 countries... Give it a day or two I mean were adding one or two countries every day right now. As for my spelling, I suck at it... I use voice to text sometimes it makes somewhat unusual errors. Problem with being dyslexic.

Virus claims its first victim in the United States the guy was 50. Now where he went a nursing home has multiple cases some quite serious. None of the people have connections to travel. Now we're looking at my old cases under the radar that are spreading.

An interesting thing I see as an anomaly in all this data and I don't mean this to be mean or insensitive no children under 20 have been reported to have died. No grieving mothers on any TV not even in China. This is strange since the flu typically affects the very young and very old. The older you are more this virus acts like a killer that's probably not a good thing for this channel but it worries me.

So what's different puberty? I thought that initially when looking at the numbers but were talking about people 20 or even 25 that are defected and that's a pretty horny group. The scientists need to look at what's different to me it might be young people have an immature immune system not use the viruses. As we get older we're attacked by viruses every year we build up antibodies for each one of those viruses and probably have hundreds I don't know maybe thousands of antibodies ready to go into work and be reproduced if something it recognizes happens.

Does this virus somehow look like multiple viruses or trigger mechanism where the immune system goes crazy in older people? Even I saw an interview on BBC News where the whole family had the virus but even the parents remarked the kids got one day of fever and that was it where we've been hit hard.

The other problem is that the CDC in the United States and most other countries have set the world that their only testing people for travel some states in the United States have lifted that to say that anyone who has anything that looks like it needs to be tested. However, testing is limited.

Want to see now that it is shown up in Mexico, Ecuador and Brazil and of course the Philippines will these hotter environments allowed to multiply. That should be a litmus test is the weather spring and summer in the United States will allow the virus to slow. But those temperatures are a long way off and this thing moving like a freight train.

While many places are working on an immunization Israel may actually have a jump. They were already working on a different infection and they have a new use coronavirus as a model to test their vaccine on. So they're asking the government to start going to trials within weeks and speeding production. I believe it will be those type of countries that are first to come out with a vaccine that they can actually distribute where the United States is stuck in red tape city. China, of course, will just experiment on its own people skip the rats but can we trust even if they say it works. They're losing trillions of dollars and soon this will become an economic nightmare for everybody.

Anyway open to your thoughts

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darkfader24
3/1/2020 20:57 EST

Island - thank you for the great information!I wonder if any countries are following what Thailand is doing. They seem to be the most successful so far.

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darkfader24
3/1/2020 21:02 EST

Philly - You might not be too far off. Has anyone noticed that since this Corona has started the Hong Kong Riots have stopped or at least, dropped significantly? Maybe China had this stuff in "the incubator", waiting for use in such a situation(?!?) "Uh, Fellas, would you like a dose of this on your little crowded Island? How about Kow Towing and stop rioting." But then maybe it just got out of hand in Wuhan, and the rest is History. I've seen enough movies to make me think....... For entertainment, watch "28 Days Later". Kaaa-Reapy!

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darkfader24
3/1/2020 21:21 EST

Tomb - sounds almost like the movie "Aliens" - they just kept coming until the bullets ran out and the barrels melted.

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darkfader24
3/1/2020 21:22 EST

Tombalita - I didn't mean "Tomb" - how morbid, especially with this subject. It autocorrected and i didn't notice! So sorry.

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rebtop
3/1/2020 21:29 EST

Thei.. The tragedy of death is fast for this virus. Where all expectations associated with living are gone. The only people suffering are the people left behind. .. They will suffer emotionally and financially, most assuredly. Maybe immediately if the dead person was a financial supporter. And over a longer period as this virus takes its toll of the world economy. In the US you don’t make up several trillion dollars lost overnight. Look how long the 08 debacle took to right itself. And it never did completely for the rich got theirs back but everyone else, not so much.

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LovePhilly
3/1/2020 22:00 EST

Surf, you and Dark are the most level headed people here. I exclude myself. I know I am far right. I enjoy the two of you.

For me...burn my flag and I'm gonna kick someone's a$$.

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LarryKar
3/1/2020 22:23 EST

Dark: According to ANC news Manila the HK protesters were at it again yesterday. So much for that theory.

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tombalita1
3/1/2020 22:25 EST

Dark,

Walang problema diyan! Tomb

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TheIslandGeneration
3/2/2020 00:48 EST

Yes, I know this is in the Corona area but this is also political ...it's a shame they keep crossing right?

So here's the deal John Hopkins University maintains a database that many news places refer to: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

There were over 10 Americans at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. There was a nice red dot in the middle of the US map. This dot signified patients confirmed in that location that came from the ship the Diamond Princess. The programmers moved the count I believe from “others” (meaning ships at sea or port and I have no idea what else).

Today the dot disappeared the patients didn't disappear but lowered the count for the United States. This confused me until I read a sub-note from the programmers... This is a direct quote:

"Note: All cases of COVID-19 in repatriated US citizens from the Diamond Princess are grouped together, and their location is currently designated at the ship’s port location off the coast of Japan. These individuals have been assigned to various quarantine locations (in military bases and hospitals) around the US. This grouping is consistent with the CDC."

We know China has been manipulating the numbers by changing the way you count who is sick. But in this case, the US has put the people back on the ship when they're physically not on the ship but in the US. If the nurses or doctors get sick from them, then what?

Other countries are not requiring this, so this can skew the numbers. Patients without a country you could say. Love to hear your feedback on that one??

A nursing home is also infected in Washington state. Two people died. This will not go well for the nursing home

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darkfader24
3/2/2020 02:42 EST

LarryKar - well, it was "A thought".....

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rebtop
3/2/2020 18:31 EST

The US is now the most political country in the world, thanks to the orange transvestite. Before, we could argue but then reconcile under duress. Not with tRump. Win at all costs. Let the battle begin.

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darkfader24
3/3/2020 07:01 EST

Rebtop - I agree 100%. The USA is the most political. We have several sides / parties which argue and fight all the time. What a pain in the butt - and not very much gets accomplished, for the most part. In China - there are no politics. They tell you what to do, or you're sent to a very special camp where they get your mind right. There is no arguing with Xi Jinping, which must be a big relief for the Chinese people. That way they don't have to think for themselves. They can slave away for the common good - and of course, the Good of the Supreme Leader, may His Name Be Praised Forever! Similar to living in Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Cuba. Yes, it's comforting to know that there are Bastions of Freedom FROM Freedom!

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DavaoDelSur1
3/3/2020 13:42 EST

Time to stock up on food, water, sanitizers ect.. before stocks get low. It's spreading like wildfire in the US and can't think RP is too far behind. They're prediction of thousands of cases in US soon. Maybe by next week.

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rebtop
3/3/2020 18:51 EST

Dark. Have you been listening to Der Fuhrer recently? He is solely responsible for all news concerning Coronavirus? Did you hear his staff meeting where the whole table had to say how thankful they were to work for him? On and on. The guy is a narcissistic loser with delusions of grandeur and has to be stopped before he has us goose stepping with the consent the senate and scotus.

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rebtop
3/3/2020 19:04 EST

Besides that. Commerce is slowing. tRump is calling doctors and the news media traitors. Says everything is great. When pence was asked if he would go to Disney World he fudged and didn’t answer. tRump will now fire him.

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Robertdav298
3/4/2020 04:41 EST

REBTOP..........once again you crossed the line "calling the US President an orange transvestite".

I

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Robertdav298
3/4/2020 04:43 EST

I will email the peacekeeper and ask that you be banned from this forum.

I will ask that he review your posts.

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catabisis
3/4/2020 04:47 EST

Davaodelsur1, lololol. Corona spreading like wildfire in the U.S. lololol. What are you talking about? You and many others have been duped into the media hysteria on a level not seen since the phony Y2K hysteria. Turn off your television. It is screwing up your head. In fact, I strongly suggest you throw out your television from your second-story window, break it into shards, and flush it down your toilet where it belongs.
This is from U.S. News and World Report.
"Influenza has already taken the lives of 10,000 Americans this season, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. At least 19 million have caught the flu, and an estimated 180,000 became so ill they landed in the hospital.

By comparison, there are 12 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the United States, and just over 31,000 confirmed cases in mainland China, where the virus first emerged. More than 3,800 cases in China are critical, and 636 people there have died from complications of coronavirus infection.

"Influenza is easier to pick up and there are far, far more cases," said Dr. Alan Taege, an infectious disease physician at the Cleveland Clinic. "It's already much larger than coronavirus has been so far in the whole world, in our own country alone."

It's easy to forget the clear and present danger posed by influenza because it's always there, sickening millions and killing thousands every year during flu season, said Dr. Bernard Camins, medical director for infection prevention at the Mount Sinai Health System in New York City.

"Currently, we have high levels of influenza in the country, which started out really early this year, around Thanksgiving," Camins said. "Pretty much the entire country has high levels of influenza-like illness right now."

The CDC predicts that at least 12,000 Americans will die from the flu in any given year. As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected."

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catabisis
3/4/2020 04:50 EST

lol. I'm a Trump supporter. Joking about our good president being an orange transvestite is good humor. Lighten up, bro.

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surfingcebu
3/4/2020 05:08 EST

Guys sorry to bug your all, just drove back from Baguio on my Yamaha Aerox 155cc - nice ride actually ! ....from spending a few nights there with some old time buddies - soem fun 'Country Western bars' in La Trinidad for sure ! I sonic actually The women sang with a 'thank and Midwest/Alberta accent....wierd ! . Back in Tarlac/ La Paz right now .

What happened with the Dem Primary , it was today . Did the Red Communist "free everything" guy Bernie win , the Indian girl with no DNA to prove it - Warren,? , or lost in outer space Biden and Russian son ? :)

Really had no time to look at YouTube or news today . Dying to know who the Dems picked . Is that it now - winner more or less declared for Dems ? Being Canadian im out of the knowledge loop on how your system works in detail .

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surfingcebu
3/4/2020 06:23 EST

Catabis - really good comments . Thought provoking actually .
Y2K brings back the big 'snow job' memories . Funny the left has nothing to say about that ! We had crews of workers working on plans and whole IT divisions , working on work arounds . What a HOAX !

95% of stuff on TV is driven to scare you or indoctrinate you . your right !

Your TV is wrapping minds ! Much like the campus kids , and their "Socialist stuff is good for me", programming ! ...it takes us 6-10 years ( maybe never ) - to deprogram them !!!:)

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darkfader24
3/4/2020 06:39 EST

Surf - Hahaha! I think a lot of us are also lost on how it works anymore - it's so confusing. On Google TOTAL Delegates as of 5:00 PM RP time: Biden 375 / Bernie 308 / E Warren 35 / Bloomberg 121 / Tulsi Gabbard 1. I find it interesting - and expected - that they ganged up on Bernie - AGAIN!!! - and he has 308 Delegates. They DID NOT gang up on E. Warren with 35 Delegates! And she has basically the same views as the Bern-ster. That in itself proves that it's a Coup. There had to have been some Back Room Deals made - just like with Hillary in 2016 - which Donna Brazile was quite vocal about. Friggin' Dirty Dirty Politics. In the end ALL that matters is winning, all that matters is POWER!! These people would sell their souls to Lucifer if they knew it would give them Almighty Power! I wonder if Uncle Bernie will lay down like a meek little Lamb, like he did last time. If he's that much of a Pu$$y then Thank The Lord he won't get a chance to be President. The first sign of Putin or Xi Jinping and Bernie would crawl under the Oval Office Desk with his Baby Blankie!

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surfingcebu
3/4/2020 06:45 EST

Dark - I try and follow USA politics but man !!! hard to understand at times.

Bernie better get out his fire power quick ...there out to gas him again !

Surf !

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Robertdav298
3/4/2020 19:32 EST

wrong thread.......this is the virus thread

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Robertdav298
3/4/2020 19:34 EST

CAT.......humor is one thing but constant disrespect is another.
We all can take one or two posts of name calling but the constant disrespect is annoying.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/5/2020 10:54 EST

Catabisis


You're wrong about the numbers I don't know where you getting these really old numbers from. Let's address the Y2K issue. Actually was an issue for some service but we blown out of proportion I agree. I under early server farm company and I simply had or developers one night change all the dates on the computers to a few minutes before midnight year 2000. As everything tripped over we watched. There was a bug in SQL which calculated the date incorrectly pretty simple fix. But other than that nothing crashed nothing went wrong. Literally one of the simplest things to test however no one seemed to do it just screamed sky is falling I agree with that.


You're correct that influenz is bad this year and a matter fact hundred and five children have died in the United States which is very high.

But here's the facts we been fighting the flu for long time, we have vaccinations that are typically a year behind but it's the best we have. The Covid-19 or generically called coronavirus targets older people, such as yourself, intensively children alone. The children probably do better because the virus does not trigger an intensive immune response because their immune systems are young and have not seen that many viruses. The older you get the more viruses you see and the more your body produces antibodies. Us older people tend to have more existing conditions. High blood pressure, or conditions and other conditions especially those related to past episodes of pneumonia. So older people's immune system tend to overreact probably by misinterpreting the virus as multiple infections and unleashing of wrath of antibodies is start destroying the human body's own vital organs. This is like AIDS and SARS mixed together and probably is way AIDS drugs tend to help in treatment (reference point Thailand)


Numbers about the regular flu or someone in material are always there they always happen some years worse than others. Like let's say after World War I.


You said 31,000 cases in mainland China. In actuality there are over 80,000 cases in China that are confirmed before China stopped reporting numbers accurately. It's trying to hide numbers and clearly doing so to get factories back up and operational.


You also mentioned that 636 people died from complications from the virus. In actuality in China over 3,000 people have died.

This is truly a pandemic even though no one wants to call it that. I'm calling it that and soon they will have to follow. Because desks are happening all over the world in different areas, Italy, South Korea, I ran, in the United States just to name a few.


If you look at the charts it looks like China is doing much better because there either simply not reporting or the people are in lockdown and therefore cannot be tested remember the numbers reflect confirmed cases you could not confirm the case if everybody's locked in her home and no one goes to see them.

Around the world there are now three infected cruise ships. New infections in the United States appearing in new states is an almost everyday occurrence. You're just beginning to see this sci-fi movie play out you haven't made it to the climatic ending which may take a long time or this virus may just become part of the norm.


Also the virus has mutated into two different strains L and S. This may make it difficult to develop vaccines.


You quoted Dr. saying influenza is easier to pick up yes today it is but then again if everyone got a flu shot it wouldn't be. On the other hand there is no natural immunity and no flu shot for this particular virus. Making it extremely dangerous.


The doctor and you have made a mistake in that not understanding this is an emerging virus. Typically these virus like Ebola, Lassa fever,etc killer patients quickly and show symptoms that are ... Well nothing you'd want to get close to . The coronavirus is stealthy and can show no symptoms at all yet still spread. California had reported he only had 500 test kits for the whole state understates were very low on test kits that were mainly defective. This means we don't have a good handle on all the people that are infected in United States or other countries. The numbers you need to look at our the virus spreading outside of China. That number posted by John Hopkins University has been exponentially growing up in an alarming rate. This is the pandemic or all of us. The Spanish flu killed 20-50 million people world wide. Underestimates on the Spanish flu believe that this was probably more like 500 million because it was around to count in rural areas around the world? The Spanish flu targeted young people to middle-age.


This virus has different characteristics skips the young targets the old. It will kill people in nursing homes at an alarming rate... Keep watching.

On February 5, 2020 - 227 people were confirmed by John Hopkins University to have the new coronavirus. One month later March 5, 2020 there are now 16,500 people around the world (excluding China) that are confirmed infected. Since Americans are not very good at being confined they will spread the disease throughout the country. Other countries like Iran, and North Korea will spread it because of ignorance.


America's will also spread it because were simply not ready. We have a president you just told people they can go to work if they get the coronavirus. A lot of people stood there with their mouth open including the CDC. Americans aren't good at staying home. So if I was a virus going to have a good old time in the US. Keep in mind other countries like the Philippines may just not be catching the walking infected or it could be and let's hope the hotter weather is preventing it from spreading meaning warmer weather in United States will do the same.


And while I understand your quoting that 12,000 Americans will die of regular flu this year but we have to keep in mind is this virus adds to that number doesn't take away from it. Also the normal flu rarely affects productivity this coronavirus has caused an economic disaster worldwide and continues to do so. Congress just didn't set aside $8 billion for the regular flu and set aside for this virus. And I am after and $50 billion. You don't do that unless you know pandemic's coming.


I predicted the nursing home would suffer greatly when only one person had died. I said that the diamond Princess was a complete mistake letting the people go now a number of people have died you're on that ship that went back to their home countries. These are all colossal mistakes being made. Japan may be trying to have the Olympics but at some point would even other countries risk its best athletes to go to that event. Trump just said he may impose a ban on Japanese coming to the United States... But Japan's not reporting very high numbers. That means the administration is something they're not telling us. Once the US starts testing properly like South Korea's doing with drive-up testing fiercely get the test in your car. Then if we do that the number of cases will skyrocket as confirmed. Keep watching forget about changes numbers are meaningless they only want to get their factories back online. Watch for hot outbreaks in towns in the United States, and Europe etc.


Just stay tuned I'm not wrong

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DavaoDelSur1
3/5/2020 12:14 EST

Cat a top expert on on viruses, Marc Lipsitch from Harvard University, Cautions that 40-70% of the world's population will become infected with the coronavirus. From that number 1% could die from COVID-19.
Crunch those numbers and you get between 30 and 55 million deaths worldwide. Just in the US alone it will be an estimated 1.3 to 2.3 million deaths. In a city of 100,000 you can expect around 400 to 700 deaths based on these numbers.

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LovePhilly
3/5/2020 12:21 EST

I agree with you Island....

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DavaoDelSur1
3/5/2020 18:06 EST

Now WHO has put out that cash can carry the coronavirus for days. Good luck using credit cards only in RP. Don't touch your face and wash your hands a lot. Also use a plastic zip lock bag or your wallet will become contaminated eventually.

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rebtop
3/5/2020 19:08 EST

Island. I was not sure what to make of your post initially. But i slogged thru it. I could not agree with you more. The management of the pandemic by the tRump admin is appalling. Intuition about death rates and severity along with go to work if you have it, is malfeasance and dereliction of duty to the highest order..... What is wrong with his supporters that they cannot see it?

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rebtop
3/5/2020 19:10 EST

Davao. Stop with the high math. You are losing these people.

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rebtop
3/5/2020 19:11 EST

Sorry. Davao

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Ronfilipina
3/5/2020 21:09 EST

I did business in China for years and can honestly say " I never met ONE Chinese man or woman that had one ounce of honesty, that is just the truth"
Ronald Cole USMC

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rebtop
3/5/2020 21:25 EST

Ron. I can agree with your assessment of Chinese people.
I sponsored two to work for me. I caught one stealing my code and fired him. And reported him. The second one quit. ..
Not trustworthy.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/5/2020 23:45 EST

The Trump administration is not understanding how to handle this coronavirus. I completely understand Trump's move to put the vice president in charge. It's a good political move so that when the election rolls around Trump can say my vice president did a terrible job sorry about your grandparents and uncles dying... But I didn't do it.


Why does all that matter politically in the coronavirus section. Because I don't think some people understand how fast this is moving. Last count 18 states have positive coronavirus confirmed cases. 6 states are not even doing testing. The last states that just got the coronavirus are Tennessee, New Jersey and hours ago Maryland ( pretty close to Washington... DC that is.


This administration has concentrated on travel ban, however were passed elementary school. The administration needs to change gears rapidly to take care of a large amount of sick people and fine and secure drugs that will be effective in helping those that are sick from getting worse. A vaccine I can predict will probably come out of another country that cuts through the red tape and willing to risk human trials rapidly. What I see in Washington DC is a lot of patting on the back thanking one another, saying the possibilities are really low. Not

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LovePhilly
3/6/2020 10:49 EST

Has anyone looked at the price of airline tickets lately? This virus has really dropped the prices. Look on Google Flights. Check the "calendar" icon to compare prices on different dates. I can fly from the east coast to California round trip for 220 dollars. D.C. to Paris for under 300 dollars. and east coast to Philippines for around 800 dollars.

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Robertdav298
3/6/2020 19:25 EST

It amazes me how people can take something as serious as the C-VIRUS and make it political blaming DT for how he is handling the virus.
I think you people should move to Italy, SKor or china and see how they are handling the virus maybe you would like it in these countries.

Here is an analogy if you are into sports:

When a baseball team is winning the fans and the media sing high praise for the MANAGER. However; if the team suddenly goes on a losing streak, these same people blame the manager and call for him to be fired.
You have to ask yourself how nonsensical is this?
DT's administration could find a cure for cancer and people would find fault......very sad!

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LarryKar
3/6/2020 20:01 EST

Robert No baseball manager has ever cancelled Spring Training. Well documented that Trump defunded the part of CDC that would have been in charge of protecting us from Pandemics as Covid-19 is quickly becoming. No baseball manager facing a bad season has " fixed" it by putting a news blackout on any stats except the ones he issues. I will give Pence credit he has shown signs of growing a spine.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/7/2020 19:51 EST

China and the United States and even Iran are making the coronavirus a political thing. So there's no comparison to a baseball game this is a virus that doesn't play by Trump's administration's business rules. Everything Trump and his administration have hindered an effective strategy to combat the virus. I guarantee you that the number of infected in the United States will go up considerably in the next 2 to 3 weeks.


Mike Pence said yesterday the 46 crewmembers on the Grand Princess ( that's not the one in Japan that's called the Diamond Princess) cruise ship were tested for the COVID-19 coronavirus 21 of the 46 on the ship tested positive. That's an almost 50% ratio. 19 of those 21 were crewmembers, in other words, are Filipinos and other foreign workers. The ship will be brought back into a noncommercial port probably military but if they don't get them on the ship and do the same thing Japan did then they will, in fact, the majority of the ship's passengers and crew. Keep in mind the majority of the crew are young and the majority of the passengers or 60, 70 and 80 years old.. Making the odds against seniors extremely high.


Pence clearly said that they plan to treat "Americans" and leave the crew of 1,100 on the ship. As one person put it that was on the Diamond Princess it's "a floating petri dish " if that happens that's very un-American of us.


The way the US is going on about all of this is slow and stupid it shows a complete disconnect with what is happening. Trump asked for $2.5 billion but the entire Congress realize that it was really low and quickly up that the $8 billion. Trump says hey if they give me 8 billion I'll take it. Not the point you don't understand the scope of the problem. Trump continues to say chances are really low. Let me explain just in the last few days how low they are:


His administration says social distancing... But...

"The American Israel Public Affairs Committee told conference attendees, some of whom include lawmakers, that at least two conference-goers have tested positive for coronavirus. This show receives about 18,000 guests worldwide and guess who else was there? Attendees and speakers at the conference included Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., former 2020 Democratic candidate Mike Bloomberg, former candidate Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., and several other lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle, and that two-thirds of Congress participate."


I can see Trump now screaming down the hallway.. Mike just stay in your office!

Now Mike Pompeo has joined China in name-calling. Changing the name of the virus to the Wuhan coronavirus. This is because China has been blaming us for the virus that maybe it didn't originate in China. We have to stop playing the political game and realize we have a crisis on our hands and it's irrelevant where it started at this point,.


It's like the whole administration is completely in denial yet not realizing we are in a medical crisis like China the only difference is Americans don't stay put. The term I'll defend freedom with my life might become true. And a lot of Americans don't get it prime examples Cosco everyone's fighting for toilet paper... I mean seriously fighting. I'm not sure this virus causes diarrhea however you can spread it that way. But the Americans are fighting for toilet paper the Cosco and at the same time in line to get handouts for the free food.


In the last 24 hours --- seriously the last 24 hours
Malan Italy has closed down the city 16 million people quarantined
High-speed train service between you New York and Washington DC has been shut down an undefined amount of time
Other US states like South Carolina are declaring cases of the virus in their state
Kansas just declared its first case
Labs across the US are saying even if they get the test gets they can't process them that fast. Somehow Korea does 10,000 a day
New York declared a state of emergency
Florida just declared 2 deaths from coronavirus
D.C. reports the first case of coronavirus; CPAC says attendee at their conference also infected
The Vatican reports its first Corona case...
Italy's confirmed cases in just one day jumped 1,200 (obviously they have test kits)
Leader of Italian Democratic party has coronavirus
Three more people in Washington state have died.


Meanwhile back at the White House Trump administration of said :
-White House falsely claims the coronavirus has been 'contained' in the US
- Trump's complaining about the CDC but on the other hand, he cut their funding for emerging viruses
- Trump just said there's plenty of test kits for everyone when in fact many states including New York are going to make their own because they haven't gotten any. The first batch of test kits didn't work and had a problem with their development.
-Also about the test kits, they say they've made 1.5 million does the administration understand that their policies require someone who has the disease to be released has to now take the test three times and show three negative results. That's a lot of tests gets for one person.


The administration is completely out of touch with reality and I don't care if the Democrat or Republican they're going to cost a lot of people their lives


Like I said before it's a sci-fi movie...

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Ronfilipina
3/7/2020 20:48 EST

Every Chinese person I had ever met while traveling to China had some kind of stinky issue or Virus, could have been anything crawling on them, The entire population should be quarantined forever, they stink, and spit everywhere.

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surfingcebu
3/7/2020 21:08 EST

Ron- as you know they would give their left but , lie and cheat to get to a “white culture” , and the west .

Whites make the best societies .... fast becoming nonexistent!!

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Robertdav298
3/7/2020 22:19 EST

RON.......LOL......have you ever been to MEXICO or Central America?

Having lived in the RP for over 4 years, I see no difference in the people. They piss and spit everywhere, their hygiene is non-existant. They throw their garbage and their plastic anywhere, their oceans are polluted because the hotels send all the waste via pipelines to the sea,
In my opinion they are disgusting race of people, in fact all of Southeast Asia is the same.

Having said that, the Chinese and the Koreans fall into another category that is even WORSE than Southeast Asia. This race of people bring disgusting to an all new level.

I can say this because I have personally witnessed these countries.

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Ronfilipina
3/8/2020 13:43 EST

They destroyed the Evidence boy destroying the site where it all began. The truth is it was a weapons factory producing biological weapons!!! These filthy, lying Chinese are Communist Mauhuckers they stink they produce like rats and even lie who their own Mother is the worse form of human scum on the planet. I day bring Dr. Oppenheimer back and drop little fat boy on them to rid the universe of these vermin!!!????????????????

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Ronfilipina
3/8/2020 13:45 EST

me too!!f. Friggin Rats

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mootpoint20
3/8/2020 18:07 EST

I just caught the virus last Friday. By Monday, my right hand began shaking. I had a drippy nose, and I kept sneezing at everyone in the streets. Then unexpectedly my shorts fell off while eating breakfast at a restaurant. Most women screamed while most men just stared or laughed at me. I lost nearly 20 pounds by Monday, and then began speaking Chinese. I've never expected such a quick reactions in my life! (I guess it must election time in America.)

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Ronfilipina
3/8/2020 18:43 EST

yEP. Filthy rats

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rebtop
3/8/2020 19:03 EST

Moot I hope u feel better. Others who caught this virus weren’t so lucky.

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Robertdav298
3/8/2020 20:00 EST

RON........2 or 3......MOABS should do the trick.

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Ronfilipina
3/8/2020 20:47 EST

Ok but. The fngn stank and the filthy rice bowls are a problem!

I say light em up all 1.5 billion of them and make the ground uninhabitable for the next 1000 years. Ron. MARSOC. USMC. Spec forces

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tombalita1
3/8/2020 22:50 EST

Oo Rah !!!

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Ronfilipina
3/9/2020 02:17 EST

Fall in Brother. Don't make me tell you again. The Gunny

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TheIslandGeneration
3/9/2020 02:44 EST

Italy - 133 died in the last 24 hours and the number infected went by $25%. to 7,375 in a day. The US does not have test kits out. Any quantity to even begin to analyze what's going on ... FDA red tape means other labs can not test.

Famous quotes:
"a date which will live in infamy," FDR

coronavirus risk to Americans 'very low,' DJT

Both of these quotes were based on presidents that miss read the enemy and did not rely on data from other administrative staff telling them evil was around the corner, which eventually led to the deaths of thousands of Americans. Ironically history will show both of these presidents knew the enemy was on the "radar".

I guess everyone in the United States is ordering toilet paper because they have come to the conclusion were in a world of S....

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LarryKar
3/9/2020 02:48 EST

Ronfilipina You are aware that
" filipina" is the female form. It indicates a girl or woman. Just checking.

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rebtop
3/9/2020 05:55 EST

Ron. Couple of things I have gleaned from your post. You must be Very Old to know what our founding fathers were thinking. Or extremely educated with at least a Phdddd from a renowned university like tRump U. I bet your degree is framed and hanging on your cellar wall.

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rebtop
3/9/2020 06:10 EST

Island. WOS is my conclusion also. We have an extremely incompetent POTUS leading us. He jumps on MY plane when he cannot take the pressure and heads to Mar a Lago to get a massage from a Chinese concubine. He and his sycophants tell us how they have things under control and the virus is not spreading. Meanwhile they are not testing so, it must be true! For believers Heaven Help Us. This is gods way of punishing us for electing tRump

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LovePhilly
3/9/2020 07:39 EST

Look Ron is a Marine and I love all our Marines but, reading and writing isn't their strong point. Give him a break! lol.

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LovePhilly
3/14/2020 12:19 EST

So now some cities are putting police officers in Walmart because after unloading Ramen Noodles from a truck a huge fight broke out. Human beings really are stupid.

I'm retired and my kids are grown so I will be prudent, stay at home and play Rummy. I have a pantry full of canned tomatoes and green beans from my garden and two freezers full of WV raised beef.

A country boy can survive.

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LovePhilly
3/14/2020 12:30 EST

Oh and lastly, everyone thinks WV is last at everything. Well, this time they are right! We are the only remaining state with no cases of the virus. lol.

Let's be fair though, it's here. We just don't have any testing available.

Doesn't matter. This sh!t will blow over in a few months. Life is good.

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LovePhilly
3/14/2020 12:30 EST

Oh and lastly, everyone thinks WV is last at everything. Well, this time they are right! We are the only remaining state with no cases of the virus. lol.

Let's be fair though, it's here. We just don't have any testing available.

Doesn't matter. This sh!t will blow over in a few months. Life is good.

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darkfader24
3/14/2020 17:40 EST

Love - Yes, I hope and pray that WV, and every State has as few victims as possible.

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tombalita1
3/14/2020 18:48 EST

Dark, Love

WV - Almost heaven!!

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mootpoint20
3/14/2020 20:06 EST

Well, that's what I can insight! I should have thought of it....it was caused by 'Raman Noodles', uncooked. USA has one thousand times the fatalities each year with the flu. In case, Henny Penny is reading this.

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surfingcebu
3/14/2020 21:06 EST

The Liberal left media campaign is working - I have to admit that. on the other hand , so much for "Open Borders and Immigration" the Liberal sell points !

Also this mayhem has exposed the UN and the WHO as arms of China and the Liberal machine . Another good outcome in a tragic event .

Obama was treated like royalty, by the press during H1N1 thing . 1000++ people died , before he did anything !!!!! The press , Hollywood and the left have extreme power . I hope they enjoy mayhem ! The left will do ANYTHING, for power . ask the Russians , Venezuela , Cuba and the like .

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rebtop
3/14/2020 22:01 EST

Surf. You and your group are such haters. Lowly little people. Blacks, Muslims, liberals, progressives, browns, northerners, westerners, intelligent, wealthier, better looking, slimmer, educated,... Did I miss anything?

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LovePhilly
3/14/2020 22:24 EST

Ok, this is a shout out to surfing... it will be rather long so you might want to skip... lol

When I was in High School, I drove a 1972 Lincoln that was ugly green with blacked out tinted window's (this was 1984). The cool thing then was to put four or six speakers in the back window and install a "power booster, equalizer" on your cheap ass stereo. When I was on a date I could act real cool a press the button, then AC/DC would really scream and in the end, I still didn't get laid (well sometimes I did).

I didn't want to start a new thread for this because it's unique and sort of related to politics. Here is how...

There is both great and terrible in each of us. There is both great and terrible in all nations. I want to grasp the best in everything. I could say the worst things about Canada but honestly, though liberal, Canada is fantastic.

My favorite female singer is Celine Dion and among my favorite rock bands is RUSH. I play drums (not well) but i love it. Anybody who knows rock knows Rush. 3 people that can sound like a 6 member band. Everyone that relates to this knows the name Neil Peart. He is the most bad ass drummer that ever hit a drum and the entire world agrees.

Neil died of brain cancer at age 67 on 7 Jan 2020 in California. Thank you Neil for all the good times you gave me. Rest peacefully.

Thank you Rush, thank you Neil, and thank you Canada...

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surfingcebu
3/14/2020 22:29 EST

Red top - we had a private discussion about you remaining on your medications ....remember ? Get back on it would be my advise ,. You see the. world better that way ...

Here to help !

Surf !

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tombalita1
3/14/2020 23:08 EST

"What you say about his company is what you say about society." Neil Peart
1952-2020 Rest in Peace

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adminee
3/14/2020 23:37 EST

In this unprecedented time, we are working to provide additional ways for expats to share information and support one another. We encourage you to fill out a report about the current spread of Coronavirus in your city or area. To submit a report, go to: https://www.expatexchange.com/eetr/addtiptopic/17


Your report will help people in other parts of your country. And, your experiences and insight may give expats in other parts of the world an understanding of the issues and situations that they may face in the very near future.

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surfingcebu
3/15/2020 02:19 EST

Great idea to exchange information this way via site.
Currently in Tarlac/ LaPaz / Dagupan area .It’s open and people healthy. There is rumours of locking the area up next week. Currently fully open for transit.

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rebtop
3/15/2020 05:49 EST

Love. It is great to be able to agree with you. Rush had great music, unlike today. I cannot relate to certain types of music we have today.

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rebtop
3/15/2020 05:53 EST

Surf. I had to triple my medication 3 years ago. And get more potent drugs. Still cannot put me in a state where I can comprehend life in the US today. Maybe next year I won’t any drugs. Or maybe not.

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rebtop
3/15/2020 06:07 EST

Truly unprecedented times. With the internet the ability to communicate all over the world instantly is a great advantage to tackle this scourge. I live in the states but have been actively looking for other places to live. Philippines was high on my list as well as Spain.

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tombalita1
3/15/2020 06:19 EST

Surf,

Love that area. Bangus in Dagupan is the best in the Philippines. The tupig that they sell in Paniqi, Tarlac is a real treat.
Enjoy.

Tom

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darkfader24
3/16/2020 18:14 EST

Regarding the Amazing Artist, Neil Peart - I agree with you all. He was/is wonderful to listen to and enjoy his Artistry - in conjunction with Geddy and Alex. Those guys together have given us so much joy and exhilaration! Dear Neil, Rest In Peace!

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darkfader24
3/16/2020 18:21 EST

Rebtop - If I could learn languages fairly easily (I cannot) - I would learn Costa Rican Spanish, which is a bit different than other dialects. I have done a lot of research on Costa Rica and it is almost Heaven on Earth from what I can tell. You ought to look into that Country. Much lower costs than America - but higher than the Philippines. Beautiful Latin Women - although they are much feistier than the typical Filipino, great health care. To the best of my knowledge the temperatures are "Balmy" year round, no earthquakes (so far), no typhoons. I had a GF for awhile in San Jose, CR and she confirmed what I had read about that Country. Also, so far, politically stable. I have read really amazing things about Portugal, too.

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rebtop
3/16/2020 18:31 EST

Dark. You are not the only person to recommend Costa Rico. Some articles I read suggest that crime is active there. Violent crime. What are your thoughts?

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darkfader24
3/17/2020 01:23 EST

Rebtop - Honestly, I have no knowledge of the criminal activity there. I'm sure that it exists at a high level, as it does in all Central and South American Countries. That aspect is probably inescapable. I'd guess that a lot of drugs might make their journey thru there from South to North, but I am no expert. I would think that generally, if you keep your head low, mind your own business and treat all very respectfully, you would be fine. Unless you were to get caught in the crossfire of a couple of drug warlords - but really, that's a low probability. I have never heard any negative reference too CR in relation to crime. However - i will look into it and see.

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rebtop
3/17/2020 06:16 EST

TU Dark. I did some research and came to the same conclusion as you.

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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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getreportarticle (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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getnameforarticle (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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getrptarticlephotos (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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gettaxgeneral2 (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=3, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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checkmovingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=4, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 23:46:17.017
		Select summary, hiimg 
		FROM answers
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