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adminee
3/15/2020 22:44 EST



Since the other coronavirus discussions on the forum have turned political, this new thread is intended for non-political posts about coronavirus on topics such as hospitals and other testing locations, business and school closures, locked down areas, travel restrictions, where to get food, medications and other necessities, etc... Please also use this thread as a place to support one another in these uncertain and stressful times. There are expats on this forum (many of whom read and don't post) who are living alone and very far from family. A few kind words can make a difference in someone's day. If you want to debate the politics of how the situation is being handled in your country and other countries, keep that on the other thread.


I lived in NYC on 9/11 and remember with humbling clarity how New Yorkers and Americans came together at that time. That event changed me forever and thinking of it always bring tears to my eyes, but the kindness of strangers is what I remember most. When you look back at this time one day, you will remember the kindness of strangers. Please be kind.


Please respect the following guidelines to ensure that this thread relates to the current crisis and is as helpful as possible:


Provide relevant information that is helpful to one another. Avoid digressing to topics not related to the coronavirus outbreak.


Personal attacks and aggressive fact checking do not help anyone at this time. Politely disagreeing to try to correct information you think is incorrect is obviously acceptable.


Absolutely cheer each other on and provide the level of encouragement all of us will need to get through this difficult time.


Please continue to share information that only expats on the ground in your area can know. This is vital. To that end, we have also created an expat coronavirus report that will help expats relay what they are seeing and make relevant recommendations.


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TheIslandGeneration
3/16/2020 02:27 EST

COVID-19 has had many names so it's important to understand we're talking about the same virus that was initially called coronavirus then Novel 2019 coronavirus (just meant it was new and did not have an official name) now it's officially COVID-19 (this essentially means coronavirus in the year 2019 (when it first appeared)). The CO stands for corona. VI is for virus. D means disease. Some also refer to it as SARS-CoV-2.

Yes it is very confusing

COVID-19 is a coronavirus, not the normal flu which is influenza. They have very similar symptoms starting both cause fever, cough, body aches, fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea. So can be very difficult to distinguish the two without a test. Unfortunately, you can have both influenza and COVID-19 at the same time.

Coronavirus has crown-like spikes on its outer surface. The responsible for the common cold. Corona beer which derives its name from the Sun’s corona or the sun's outer surface happens to be a coincidence. Corona beer is safe in moderation however the coronavirus is not.

Flu (influenza): Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year. 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year. about 0.1% mortality rate

COVID-19: 169,387 cases worldwide; 3,774 cases in the U.S. as of March 16, 2020. The World Health Organization now estimates the mortality rate at 2 to 3% this is considerably higher than .1% for the regular flu. It's extremely important to understand this is ongoing this virus is rapidly spreading and we don't clearly understand all the ways it can be spread.

We need to understand its potential for being extremely dangerous and need to take every step we can to protect ourselves. Hopefully, this form will take a look at that from a scientific and data-driven aspect. But also I will try to edit things that make sense to do that would help protect our community.

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rebtop
3/16/2020 06:11 EST

Thank you for reminding us. I always try to look at the topic before posting. I may violate this rule unintentionally and now apologized for it if I did.

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coach53
3/16/2020 06:49 EST

TheIsland
"WHO now estimates the mortality rate at 2 to 3%"
I have seen 3,4 and 3,8 % a few days ago. I have forgot were I saw them, but they looked as government or medical websites, I mean something "official".

But unclear how they count. Do they count percent of?
/how many have passed the crisis level for death (Would be corect)
/or of confirmed cases - which would be very MISSLEADING, showing much to low death rate by there will become more deaths among them.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/16/2020 11:35 EST

3/16/2020 11:35 am EST

USA is harvesting antibodies from individuals that have recovered and reusing them to protect other people is being tested. This was also done in China.

2 Doctors in the USA in critical condition

Ohio, Maryland, Oregon, New Mexico, Michigan, West Virginia and the District of Columbia have ordered all schools closed. All with different defined times to reopen.

Some firefighters in Washington, DC have the virus

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TheIslandGeneration
3/16/2020 12:55 EST

3/16/2020 1pm

State of Maryland and Indiana will close bars and restaurants and only allow pickup and delivery after 5pm today. This rule will stay in effect until further notice

Washington DC has imposed a limit of patrons inside at one time... However a number of bars have said they will not comply. "it is not our burden to bear nor is it our staffs burden to bear"

The mayor of DC shot back with they must follow the district's health notice. She continued to say she will use multiple enforcement agencies to achieve it.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/16/2020 13:40 EST

Hey Coach

The percentage of mortality indeed runs all over the place. One reason is it changes quite rapidly. As an example at one point Iran was reporting people dying at 50%. Italy's cases in one day went over 500 and I assume will climb even higher. In delay alone if you take a look at their number infected hovering around 7.8%.

Here's the deal when you tell a lot of people to stay home they only to come out when they are critical. So several people that are positive don't get confirmed.

The Chinese did show that only .02% of people under 40 were dying of pneumonia or heart attack brought on by the disease. But when you get into people in their 80s that jumped to 15%. Both China and Italy have a high population of seniors.

I don't think calculating China's new numbers into the mix makes sense. It's more important to look at the rest of the world.

WHO's estimates of 2 to 3% is probably correct for the population combined. But it's extremely important to understand the older you are and if you have an underlying health condition of any kind including diabetes, and high blood pressure, heart issues, past lung infections. Then the odds are much higher of the serious consequence.

So our older group needs to be more serious and more conscious about exposure in avoiding this as much as possible.

These numbers of course are in motion. This is an emerging pandemic. A vaccine could change those numbers rapidly but not likely to be developed into production unless everyone wants to cut all the red tape. An antiviral medicine that is proven to work will save lives and change those numbers. But since these have not been implemented on a wide scale and no vaccine has been produced for distribution the 2 to 3 percent might become the norm.

It's important that the numbers mainly get compiled by John Hopkins University. They have a website that many news agencies rely upon. But it is important to understand that this is based on confirmed cases and those cases reported by governments.

So the percentages essentially are based on confirmed cases and how many of those have died, recovered or are active. Right now there are more active than recovered so which way will they go? The other problem is as hospital's overload death rates could go up. And as each nation probably including the US start shutting movement down and gatherings the actual number will be difficult to count except for the people that die. Also the low amount of test kits in the United States means that the number of infections over the next few weeks after 3/16 could skyrocket as an example yesterday only about 3,000 cases were in the United States today that when the 4,068 because that is a 25% increase in one day that are both confirmed and active.

I uploaded a graph here hopefully it will show up. If you look at the infected in other places besides China you see the bar going up at an alarming rate

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rebtop
3/16/2020 17:35 EST

I hope we all realize now the is a real catastrophe and not a hoax. My neighborhood has instituted a neighborhood watch where all home owners put there outside lights on. If any are off we will knock and see if anyone answers. We are also looking for other means to be proactive. I will keep you all posted.

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Robertdav298
3/16/2020 20:08 EST

Here is the latest info for those living on the island of CEBU.

Curfew from 2100 to 0500 strictly enforced any caught on the streest will be asked to show valid ID and then escorted to jail

Malls, cafes, restos and the like are ordered to close at 2000 hrs.

Cebu is in lockdown mode, no ferries or domestic flights are allowed from Manila until March 30th.

International arrivals will be tested and then held in quarantine for 14 days at 2 local hotels in lapu lapu. NOTE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE.

Today March 17th TWO new cases of COVID 19 were found in Lapu Lapu, these people are qurantined in their home and being monitered.

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darkfader24
3/17/2020 00:49 EST

rebtop - those are great ideas, Bro. We gotta look out for each other in order to come out of this in as good a shape as possible.

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rebtop
3/17/2020 05:53 EST

Not boasting but I am on a committee here that does errands for people who cannot get out. I am picking up a son of a couple who are immobile. They were force to use Uber to get food while their van is being repaired. Picking him up at 11 for two hour shopping trip. May take longer because grocery shelves are pretty empty. Nice people. I try to do what I can

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tombalita1
3/17/2020 10:56 EST

Reb,

Thank you for still serving. Standing and rendering you a salute.

Tom

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TheIslandGeneration
3/17/2020 21:24 EST

It's official now all 50 states are infected with COVID-19. West Virginia was the last holdout but it turns out they've only tested 84 people and are still going by the stringent guidelines of the person being tested must have traveled overseas or come in contact with someone they know has tested positive. The person who tested positive in West Virginia had done none of those things but did test negative for multiple seasonal flu.

The numbers are growing rapidly in the United States of positive test as well as, Spain and France.

Each country's going about trying to keep people away from each other in different ways. As an example my friend in France pointed out that today he had to print out a piece of paper that says weather is going to the grocery store,

gas station or pharmacy. He had to check the box where he was going and keep the piece of paper essentially in his pocket. If stopped by a policeman and he pointed out there are many. If you don't have the paper you get a fine. If you have the paper and you're not going where you're supposed to be going you get a fine.

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darkfader24
3/18/2020 05:13 EST

RobertDav - "Curfew from 2100 to 0500 strictly enforced any caught on the streest will be asked to show valid ID and then escorted to jail." What cracked me up was how your sentence SHOULD have ended: "and then escorted to jail - where they will be thrown into a cell with a bunch of people and probably will get Corona!!"

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coach53
3/18/2020 08:57 EST

I saw official info forbidding backride at motorbikes because of corona virus,

but if a private coment is corect, that's liftet for private motorbikes for CLOSEST family members.

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Elsewhere I read Cebu city have added free BUSES to solve the transport problem of people !
As people wouldn't be close to each other in buses...

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Robertdav298
3/18/2020 19:24 EST

COACH........riding in tandem has been banned for a couple of years now. Reason, most shootings occur by the shooter riding in the back, so D30 passed a law "no riding in tandem". However; just like most laws in the RP, it is not enforced because they do not have enough police to enforce the laws OR the police are afraid of being shot.

In CEBU......if you want to cross the bridges to MACTAN you are stopped and your temperature is checked and likewise......MACTAN to CEBU.
CEBU had its first case of COVID 19 on Tuesday......in MANDAUE......65 year old male......now in local hospital.

On a personal note, the government has cancelled my return to the US scheduled on April 15 with a note that return date will be TBD, Which is fine with me because the US is infected and the RP (except manila) is not, at least for now.

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coach53
3/18/2020 20:16 EST

Robert
"US is infected and the RP (except manila) is not, at least for now".
Yes it is. "My personal newschanel" with people I know spread at different locations and from very different economical levels. They have beaten even TV news several times about earthquakes. They have reported to me so far outside Manila::
/one case in Surigao. Arrived from Manila.
/Some unclear in Ormoc.
(They are from same as them who told me fast about earthquakes.)

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Here in an "official"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Philippines
Show confirmed cases at other places than Manila:
/big part pf Luzon, most south of Manila
/Negros Oriental
/Agusan del Sur and Lanao del Sur at Mindanao.

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rebtop
3/18/2020 22:08 EST

Sorry.. I guess my last post became a little political with the example of Chaney.. Please disregard that portion of my post.

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gypsyquokka
3/19/2020 04:29 EST

ANC news today says that Tacloban City will go into quarantine as of Saturday, 21st. Maybe some cases here but no TV channel mentions anything. Would have thought if Tacloban goes into quarantine, why not the rest of Leyte. People from Samar just drive over the bridge and so many people visit Tacloban to get to and from the airport or major shopping. Weird times we live in.

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coach53
3/19/2020 07:03 EST

gypsy
"Tacloban City will go into quarantine as of Saturday, ... thought if Tacloban goes into quarantine, why not the rest of Leyte."
I don't know for other parts, but Ormoc will get locked too soon, I didn't memoriced it but I believe they said next week.
Better not have to big quarantine areas for each in corona point of view, because otherwice ONE case at an island get chance to spread to all people there. But in FOOD and such point of view it become problem if a quarantine area is to small, not producing enough such themselves, if they stop food transports too. (I suppouse it's possible to make such transports safe from spreading corona if being very careful.)

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coach53
3/19/2020 07:34 EST

PERHAPS good news (told by official Swedish health)
In Sweden new cases per day seem to have a fast trend DOWN geting less and less. It was FAST raise up to 200 at 11 march which has been the highest here. 120 the 17th (and only 10 yesterday bit perhaps haven't all reports reached them yet).
BUT they say themselves the statistic can be some missleading because of a change the 13th of who they test, Before they tested all even with a slight possibility, but now they only test them with more clear symptoms plus them in much contact with ill as hospital workers.

Sourse: With text in Swedish but if someone want to see the DIAGRAM https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/aktuellt-epidemiologiskt-lage/

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coach53
3/19/2020 07:48 EST

I can add to above:
Swedish officials - and most middle and big companies - love statistics very much :) and most are good at it.
That's why they pointed out the change in testing method.

That's why I believe the told statistics are close to corect.
But can be delays before results are summerised, that's why I doubt the very low at 18 March.

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mattinnorfolk
3/19/2020 11:08 EST

https://www.newsweek.com/blood-type-coronavirus-covid-19-1492890,, Be very glad if O Pos, and be more careful if A pos blood.

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coach53
3/19/2020 18:03 EST

matt
From your very interesting link
" in the 1,775 COVID-19 patients at Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital, the spread was 37.75 percent for type A, 26.42 percent B, 10.03 percent for AB and 25.80 percent O."
So it's even better to be AB than O

(That's good for me.)

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surfingcebu
3/19/2020 19:11 EST

from news and RP govt directive - foreigners allowed into Manila if they have ticket and note from Brgy Captain to travel . Most flight are leaving for various countries .

At this time PAL has verified flights back to Canada and USA . Foreigners allowed to fly and PR's with verification.

MY Brgy is tight and Lapaz - Dagupan is tight as well with various check point to my swim and snorkel beach & where my Motor gang hangs out ! Great mix of Pinoy and foriegners.

Dagupan has some great beaches for body surfing as well gang ! Amazing surf !

Im off to Canada on 23rd ....its been a great and different ( this time) 3 months . Cut my journey short this time ....usually spend 6 months here .

Best to all , and may your god follow you through your journey .

Surf !

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tombalita1
3/19/2020 19:22 EST

Surf,

Hope to meet up with you in San Fabian
next year. Stay safe.

Tom

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surfingcebu
3/19/2020 20:44 EST

Surf - was driving through San Fabian , on my way to the main beach in Dagupan ! best beach for body surfing ....although PTO Galeria / Mindoro , has some good ones too , I just discovered !

Yes for sure , ill be back in about 6-10 months . watch my posts and ill announce when im back . We can link up for dinner or something . I would enjoy that ! Ill bring the GF along and we can Chica-chica a little !! HA!!

Take care Tom !

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TheIslandGeneration
3/19/2020 22:03 EST

How to fight COVID-19 --Malaria medications-- (consult with your doctor before taking any medications) Trump mentioned these in a news conference

These are my observations, research and what I'll be doing to protect myself and family

There has been a success in fighting this virus.... Thailand, Australia are good examples I'll explain why and how you can utilize what's been learned. I suggested over a month ago that antivirals were one way to go that hasn't changed. Trump is now also announced publicly that he's jumping into ramp up their production. That's a good thing.

Trump also announced malaria medication. Australia was using antivirals and a malaria medication and had really good results. I was Following Australia and certainly, they had very good results.

So talk to your local Dr. explain to them about the malaria medication. Get a prescription or if you're in a country where no one really cares in the local pharmacy will certainly give you malaria medication even better. Do this before it's all gone because I ain't kidding you it's gonna fly off the shelves. Just watch

The malaria medication is Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine (much easier on the stomach) research was first done in China at 600 mg daily. 70% of the people got better quickly compared to 12.5% in the control (you seriously would want to be those guys) This malaria drug has been around since the 40s it's well-tolerated and many of you may have taken up before for actually having malaria or at least as a prophylactic

COVID-19 kills you basically because it goes into a storm in the immune system. Many people I believe have mistakenly thought that younger people didn't get it because they had a stronger immune system and that older people got it because they had a weaker immune system. Actually, I believe although not published anywhere that is the opposite. Younger people have never seen this virus before their bodies don't seem to overreact to the intrusion so they get a mild version. Now it's important to understand this is with the current L and S versions not what may be a new mutated version hitting France Spain and the United States. In the United States, for example, 20% of the total are younger people under 44 that are ending up in the hospital that's extremely high compared to China and some other countries.

The virus seems to cause an overreaction in older people where the immune system actually starts attacking the lungs along with the virus. A lot of technical reasons why Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine malaria drug stabilize the situation to prevent the virus from going into viral pneumonia. Most of the people do die from viral pneumonia

Unfortunately, many doctors don't have time to do this research so they may be baffled by what you're asking for but if you want technical docs for your doctor from major publications let me know. This virus may slow down in hot regions but so far that hasn't exactly been the case it certainly slow but not stopping and this is probably because the virus is essentially new to everyone.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/19/2020 22:07 EST

California Gov. Gavin Newsom orders 40 million residents to stay at home, effective now !

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Earnestndeavor
3/19/2020 22:43 EST

Surf, have a safe trip home. I certainly enjoy your comments and hope you don’t abandon us here on the forum.

Respectfully, Earnie

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surfingcebu
3/19/2020 23:01 EST

The island gen- great post about malaria meds . I take doxycycline for malaria, but I’ll get some other for my medical kit.

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surfingcebu
3/19/2020 23:02 EST

Thanks Earnest!!! I’m back and forth . Have so many friends and family here . I’ll be on forum when possible;)

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LovePhilly
3/20/2020 11:35 EST

chloroquine, a drug long used to treat malaria, Z-pak and remdesivir, are all being tested. France and Israel have had positive results in short term tests and now it is being tested in the U.S. There already exists a lot of these medicines in storage.

I'm betting that we have an effective treatment within a few weeks with a vaccine later in the fall. I speculate that this is almost behind us.

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Robertdav298
3/21/2020 03:32 EST

COACH........yes it is? The problem is there may be many people infected but they do not get tested and the virus spreads causing havoc. This happens in heavy populated areas of the country i.e. Quezon City

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surfingcebu
3/21/2020 04:02 EST

Update !!--- Flights are getting bumped . My flight Direct MNL- YVR bumped from 23rd to 29th of this month . Mass confusion at PAL ! I gather they just up and cancelled the B-777 flight to Vancouver . It was fully booked of course .

Beware , PAL is cancelling international flights Willy-Nilly . Bets checking days before on Int'l flights .( I heard Red Top was in charge at airport ....OK bad joke ! HA!!! )

Its going to be another "OMG ! experience " I fear at MNL airport on the 29th .... That why I love this country . Its Mayhem here most of the time ! HA!!

I should have booked Clarke as Im usually closer to Clarke and its a dream to fly out of , as a rule !

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coach53
3/21/2020 07:36 EST

One in my "private newsservice" of Filipinos had heared a rumour saying Trump had said USA have found corona vaccine,
and wonder - Is it true?

Any of you Americans having trustworthy information about that from news in USA?

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coach53
3/21/2020 07:48 EST

I made a bit research myself
"Able to cure patient within 3 hours after injection. Hats off to US Scientists.
Right now Trump announced that Roche Medical Company will launch the vaccine next Sunday, and millions of doses are ready from it "

BUT it seem to be FALSE.
The teller of it's false say it's only FDA has approved a TEST kit for corona virus made by Roche.

https://www.facebook.com/bernard.dsouza.1800/videos/518899649007063/

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coach53
3/21/2020 08:03 EST

The false rumour seem to be spread by a panicing ? in BUSINESS point of view at Operations Manager/Coordinator at Rester Hotel in Mexico. He seem to have studied in Anaheim USA.
(My conclusion after checking who posted the false. )

https://www.facebook.com/bernard.dsouza.1800?eid=ARCG1oOxeD8319RUyte0_Euse_h-G0fgBHXqwvqxJJXwpWJwDOgieRgSi992ZhnD4fCmx-o2eL8JHWo2

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TheIslandGeneration
3/21/2020 16:00 EST

coach53

"Able to cure patient within 3 hours after injection" yes it's fake news didn't even try to get right. Roche Medical Company that Trump mentioned, is making an antiviral, not a vaccine.

The trial vaccine has been given to 4 patients at the Kaiser Permanente research facility in Seattle, Washington. This vaccine was Co-developed by NIH and Moderna Inc. not Roche

Only after the trial has proven to be effective will they start making any quantity and that may be way into late spring. There are other countries fast-tracking vaccines. Of course fast-tracking a vaccine is never a good idea it might work but you grow an extra arm at some point... You get the idea

But it's very important to understand that a vaccine doesn't do you any good after you already have the disease. There are rare exceptions like shingles. We can have the disease but because it's in remission the actual vaccine helps when it breaks back out again. This is not the case with COVID-19. The antivirals, I've always said, are important. AIDS antivirals are being used all over the world to test their effectiveness and it looks pretty good. Several countries have had great success with those already on the market.

Seriously though how many of you would not take an AIDS drug to save your life if you got COVID-19. Who would take it regardless of how it originated?

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TheIslandGeneration
3/21/2020 16:14 EST

Coach53

You said you have a private news service of Filipinos...... that sounds like a bunch of nurses to me! The nurses are of course the front line of what's happening they see it on the ground. They know what's working and not working. I think while it's good to think of a vaccine will be around the corner and it's important to fund and help those working on that vaccine we also have to look at the numbers.

The confirmed cases in the United States are skyrocketing. A large family in New Jersey just lost four of its family members to the virus. A disproportion of young people are getting the virus in the United States, Spain and France these numbers are contrary to China. That's not being reported and a ton of teenagers just went to spring break in Florida they'll bring it back home. It's bad in the US and only going to get much worse both from the virus standpoint and economic. Not sure the news is quite getting that across

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LovePhilly
3/21/2020 19:18 EST

So a soldier I served with for many years named "Wally" called the VA Hospital today. He told them, "I have a cough I can't get rid of and my nose is running plus I'm having trouble breathing". He didn't have a fever and he wasn't aching. He's just a real nervous guy.

I've been laughing all day but really it's serious. They told him he could come in if he wants but he really should just stay home. They said if he didn't have the virus he would when he leaves!!!! Hahahaha. That's some great health care. It is true though.

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coach53
3/21/2020 19:32 EST

TheIsland
""Able to cure patient within 3 hours after injection" yes it's fake news didn't even try to get right. "
Yes I noticed that when I made some research after I had asked allready if you Americans have any more info.

"You said you have a private news service of Filipinos...... that sounds like a bunch of nurses to me!"
No. But Filipinos are world champions in tsismis (=gossip) so they know local things anyway :)
I told somewhere they are wide spread both geographical and economical from squatters to upper middle class, One is nurse but she is in USA now. I had them long before corona. They have been telling fast news about earthquakes and floodings, but most interesting are they tell me things most expats living there don't know - at least when living in subdivisions and not check much about life outside :)

I suppouse they tell me sensitive things by they know they will NOT get money from me, so no point for them to lie, but I give them for FREE knowledge including business consulting which I charge for elsewhere. And we talk close friend things, which I suppouse make they tell me sensitive things too.
E g one Filipina was very sad and had LOST 46 000, which were much for her back then. She has good eye to find opportunities but were terrible at judging risks so I tought her that by just change her thinking a bit. Then I gave her some tips which types of customers she want instead. Now 3 years later the profit of her business has been so good that she need to work just 2-4 days per month when she twice a month collect her share of work OTHERS do. Plus she need to work extra when she need to look for new projects. The rest of the time she travel around and visit family and friends.
Once she called me at Tuesday visiting a friend at Negros. Wednesday she were home a day to collect money. Sunday she called me and told she had bought an orchard at Leyte, financed with a bank loan using as collateral an OTHER land she had allready. THat's why she could pay it so fast. She had figuered out she can pay the bank loan off in 10 years from her share from the orchard, so it will be hers in 10 years without she has paid anything. (A relative living there handle it for her for a share.)
An other - a single mother to a toddler - I assisted a bit in startup with knowledge so she went from broke to start sawing to a SECOND OWN production machine to employ after just a few months allready. (In startup she had just a machine she BORROWED for a share when it was free.) The production she can do from home so she can look after her toddler at same time.
I have assisted a tribe too with developing their cooperative.
Some very poor - just having FREE messengar but don't have money to research at internet - I assist with researches for school assignments. And many ask me about illnesses and mainly legal things. (I have answered around 1300 legal questions so far.)

So they tell me things about for instance how Filipinos think, which can be very confusing for foreigners :) because of some main differences in culture.

E g I have noticed most middle class Manila Filipinos have terrible knowledge about provinces :) I know much more than most of them! Although they know much more than I about Manila - because I'm not interested in Manila haha

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rebtop
3/21/2020 19:37 EST

Love. I heard testing kits are plentiful. Did he get tested?

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coach53
3/21/2020 19:42 EST

It did LOOK as Sweden had got a clear trend down for new cases per day,
BUT then it turned up again so at the 20th it was back to same level as the earlier highest :(
(200 as highest, then trend down to under 100.m but then it turned up to 200 again.)

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Robertdav298
3/21/2020 19:56 EST

SURF........why go back? Do you have to for personal or economic reasons?

Canada is infected? By comparison the RP is not. PAL will give you a voucher that has to be used in 1 year or they will allow you to rebook without paying any fees.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/21/2020 21:12 EST

Sat 3/21
793 people died in Italy in one day from the COVID-19 and will not be long before there die by a thousand a day.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/21/2020 21:26 EST

The United States has moved into third position as the most infected country in the world with the COVID-19. 25,493 confirmed cases. I would predict in a very short time this will double.

Canada has 1,280 confirmed cases

If the Philippines and continents like South America and Africa show low transmission over the weeks to come then the virus might be slowed by an early spring in the United States and Canada. The virus is already in all major places in Africa and certainly in the Philippines but it hasn't showed widespread yet unless it's just for the fact of in adequate testing and if that's the case then its a biological timebomb

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coach53
3/22/2020 07:42 EST

The only confirmed cases in Phils I have found more than the earlier said are one in Cagayan de Oro and one in Gingoog (both Mindanao)
but I find it very odd if Cebu don't have any in reality as the traveling connection point it is.

(I haven't heared from anyone in "my newsservice" in Cebu, but most of them I hear from seldom anyway and the most active I suppouse have went home to her family in remote village in mountains to where not even jeeps can reach most of the year. And no internet there still I believe. They produce food there so they can survive there without need to go out.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/22/2020 18:24 EST

Coach53

I believe you're saying there was only one case in the Philippines however according to Johns Hopkins University.

Philippines
Confirmed: 380
Deaths: 25
Recovered: 17
Active: 338

Active might mean there at home under self isolation or in hospitals. There could be a lot more if test kits are not widely available. It's unknown how many of the 380 our homegrown confirmed versus travelers from the outside.

If you'd like to link to Johns Hopkins University to see the continually updated data from around the world I'd be glad to share it up here.

Vatican City is reporting one confirmed case
two Congressman in United States confirmed
One in the Senate Rand Paul confirmed but showing no symptoms.

The White House and US government leaders may be using the new 45 minute test which was just fast approved by the FDA on Saturday. I say this because the vice president announced on Saturday he was getting a test but then Saturday night announced both he and his wife were negative. The test from the CDC takes much longer to confirm. Most people in the United States are still taking a test that requires three days. Plus they are told in less they have a doctor's prescription they can't get one. And then to get a doctor's prescription they have to have traveled outside the United States or know someone who has the disease that they came in contact with. So if I came in contact with Rand Paul and he's not showing any symptoms and let's just say he never got tested. Then I would not qualify for test even though I'm likely to have. This will cause a lot of people to die in the United States because of red tape and stupidity. Have we learned nothing from watching all the other countries?

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coach53
3/22/2020 19:06 EST

The Island
"I believe you're saying there was only one case in the Philippines"
No I said I had found one + one in MORE PLACES than them written before. (=Cagayan de Oro + Gingoog)

(At least I ment that if you are talking about my post closest above.)

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Robertdav298
3/22/2020 19:54 EST

The mayor of cebu city has issued a massive quarantine as of March 22.

Anyone 65 years or older are confined to their home. All minors are also subject to this order.

This order remains in effect until the National Quarantine has been lifted.

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Robertdav298
3/22/2020 19:57 EST

CEBU CITY will distribute 160,000 sacks of rice weighing 25k to families where the main wage earner has been affected by covid 19. For more info go to sunstar daily news i.e. CEBU

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LarryKar
3/22/2020 22:12 EST

Thoughts from a friend back in the USA. Think he nails it.
"A year from now remember this time. Right now most everyone believes we should totally isolate as a best approach and I agree with that. So if few die then in one year everyone will call us all alarmists for isolating. But if many die then we will see ridicule for us not doing enough. There is little chance that many will say we did exactly what we should have done. Do the best you can and let's all stop the hand wringing unless it is to wash your hands. Please, stay safe and try to enjoy the easiest call to action of any global crisis of all time. "

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Earnestndeavor
3/22/2020 23:36 EST

Larry, I think your friend nailed it.

I agree, Earnie

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Morgacj2004
3/23/2020 02:23 EST

I understand that logic Robert. I did not want to go back to the US either. But I have work and obligations here. It’s pretty much locked down in Alaska with new rules being imposed daily. Now they are talking about closing the border and limiting air traffic for emergencies only.

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coach53
3/23/2020 18:05 EST

Of course it can be much different because of the person,

but do anyone know anything about "NORMAL" from get ill to the danger is OVER so far? If there is any.

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Robertdav298
3/23/2020 20:22 EST

Morgac, if you must go back then I suggest checking the latest from the American Government on International Travel. The last I saw was that the US banned all international travel to and from the US.

I would think "social distancing" in Alaska would not be a hard thing to do.

I was waiting for an email from you, while you were here......maybe you got busy......drinking to much "RED HORSE".

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surfingcebu
3/23/2020 20:36 EST

Yes, Travel out of the country extremely difficult. Canadian Embassy's here in Philipines dont return calls or e-mails .Canadians - We are on our own ! Surprise Surprise Trudy did not have any plan to support Canadians abroad and get us home. Our French Canadian Military are at home "self Isolating" and no where to be seen in public.

Flights out on PAL are few and far between . PAL are not responding to emails or picking up phone at Call Centre ! WONT FLY PAL again !! 3rd world airlines are TROUBLE ! They were the first to crumble , as far as I can see .

. At least Air Canada and some 1st world airlines are responding to emails and calls inbound .

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LovePhilly
3/24/2020 07:45 EST

I'm literally going stir crazy. This drives home a lesson I had in sociology, We really do need each other. This is the first time in my life I've never had interaction with others (except my wife who is about to kill me)! lol.

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coach53
3/24/2020 08:49 EST

LovePhilly
"I'm literally going stir crazy. "
I LIKE to live remote and drive and REALY meet people. I believe I do that more at my 2 or so visits in town per week than people living there do but don't have any real contact than perhaps saying "Hi". While I realy meet people e g as youth leader in sport clubs.

Once I reacted finding it to much people coming to my place. I found that annoying. When I counted it had only been three in a week haha
(Mailman delivering a package,
electrician installing a new pump
and checker of the forest behind my house passed. )

I suggest geting some more hobby which can be done without meeting people.
(I have so many so I don't have time for them all. E g I haven't played at any of music instruments in years.)

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TheIslandGeneration
3/24/2020 14:36 EST

On March 16 the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases around the world was 197,200 on March 24 it's 398,107

It took us four months (from December ) to get to 200,000 (the first cases may have started in November)

In just the last week we added over 200,000 new confirmed cases worldwide.

It looks likely that the United States will have the most confirmed cases in the world even though now we're in the third position. (China, Russia, and India just aren't reporting cases and are probably worse but are talking about confirmed)

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rebtop
3/24/2020 18:40 EST

Investigators are looking at the outbreak of severe respiratory illness last fall. Before Coronavirus was identified. They are looking at the evidence and DNA to see if it was here much earlier.

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Robertdav298
3/24/2020 23:27 EST

surf.......best airlines to fly......CATHAY, JAL, SINGAPORE....EMIRATES.......cost more but well worth it.

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tombalita1
3/25/2020 09:25 EST

Rob,

Qatar and Etihad are also good. Korean and All Nippon (ANA) coming the Pacific route are good too.

The one I said I would never fly again, but then did because of the $598 round trip: Air China !!

I promise you now: I WILL NOT FLY AIR CHINA, EVEN IF IT'S FREE.

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mattinnorfolk
3/26/2020 08:17 EST

I was speaking to a RN in a major city in the Philippines working 7 days a week. I suspect this is the same for most of the world even in USA. It is just now getting better as they were pathetically slow getting these test kits out. She said the published numbers are not terribly useful, because for every one announced case on a test, they have 10 with all the symptoms but they are waiting on test kits and cannot get them.. We also had the cruise ship where half the patients testing positive were asymptomatic. I am not trying to alarm anyone, but be careful and take it serious. We will get through this health wise, but financially may be more damaging. IMHO

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coach53
3/27/2020 08:35 EST

From "DagensPS" a Swedish news website mainly talking about stock market, but it refer to Worldometer. (I haven't checked.)
It's in Swedish so I translate parts and add some own coments.
It say the numbers are at "Friday" but that's odd because Friday isn't finnished yet. But much more than the day before anyway. The lower numbers are from "Thursday".
/Total infected 532 263 471 417
/dead 24 090 21 295
/recovered 124 349 114 642
/USA has the most CONFIRMED cases, even more than China.
BUT that's NOT a fair comparing for USA I believe, by I believe USA test a much biger part.

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coach53
3/27/2020 08:49 EST

I checked a bit myself at
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Total confirmed/deaths/ recovered/per mill population
USA 85,749 1,304 1,868 259
Italy 80,589 8,215 10,361 1,333 !!
Spain and Switzerland have very high per million too
Canada 4,043 39 228 107
Sweden '2,893 77 16 286
Iceland has worst per million, but I guess it depend of they are so few people of which "almost all" live in Reykavik.
I don't bother to write the numbers for China because I don't trust their numbers.

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TheIslandGeneration
3/27/2020 12:09 EST

You're correct Coach.... Do not believe the numbers coming out of China they started to be lies over a month ago yet there's still plenty of underground information that says people are dying and getting sick in China.

https://youtu.be/tCzPMGaMnEY

https://youtu.be/KP6ru9aE8OM

Coach you seem levelheaded please check out the two YouTube links ... Just copy and paste in your browser. These are underground reports from China showing a Dr. killing a patient, people getting sick that are reported, official Chinese documents being smuggled out showing completely opposite of what the Chinese Communist Party is saying. Seriously let me know what you think when you watch these two. I think you might agree with me but you're welcome to let me know that this is what's happening behind the scenes

Anyone else would like to join in please review these. It shows how China is manipulating the numbers and how evil the Communist Party is.

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fvaservices
3/27/2020 13:08 EST

Thanks for reminding us. This is a time of unity to overcome this pandemic disease. All of us will be affected for sure and no one will be spare, if this misinforming drive continue.

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mattinnorfolk
3/27/2020 13:45 EST

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

These are shocking numbers and really sad for Italy.

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coach53
3/27/2020 14:49 EST

TheIsland
"Coach you seem levelheaded please check out the two YouTube links... Seriously let me know what you think when you watch these two."

Some from the first half of the first video:
(Not exact quotes from the video, just rough).
From a sign in chinese, the video say it mean:
"Pick up the ashes of your relatives who died during the epidemic."
English isn't my first language, but don't that mean they claim the epidemic has ENDED in Wuhan (?)
I don't believe that's true. Wrong translated or lie...?

"Long queues,..Official 3000,.. Is definitly more. Add a zero or perhaps even two zeros."
Well. Even relatives coming to pick up 3000 are a lot. It's very hard to estimate amount of people in crowds so I don't know what I believe about the amount.

Chinese expat:
"Hold the chinese government responsible for the OUTBREAK.."
As said English isn't my first language,
but my interpretion is that's false propaganda in the other direction. But it would have been corect if he had said e g "responcible for the delay of information after the outbreak."

China blaiming Italy and also USA for the virus is just silly...

Person living there say NEW outbreak has started in Wuhan "but hospital didn't dare to report them".

"Leaking info claim the cases should be 20 times higher."

"Chinese tests send to Check Repuplic are highly unreliable. Show both false positive and false negative. Can't show reliable within the first 5-7 days."

Then it turned to news about New York and I stoped looking.

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LovePhilly
4/3/2020 10:24 EST

You gotta watch this.... great explanation about the disease...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1nfNS8A-8uzZdmTflH8rOPDk5KSKu3ndcveoVfk8vnpnvPvrWLLvUWjYo

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mattinnorfolk
4/6/2020 15:02 EST

Bill gates and Pharma started vaccine trials today.

a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today

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rebtop
4/6/2020 18:47 EST

Yep. Thank you Bill Gates. No thank you administration.

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mattinnorfolk
4/9/2020 13:03 EST

https://www.globalresearch.ca/swiss-doctor-covid-19/5707642

If you read this, it will shock you if you have not seen it.

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coach53
4/10/2020 07:01 EST

" it will shock you if you have not seen it."
Well. That's both good and bad. Of course big problem for old and bad health people as e g I,
BUT with low risk for not old and unhealthy it's so low risk so they can CONTINUE working.
So "only" need to issolate the old and unhealthy.
As done with my old mother and aunt too. They walk exersise far enough from people. Relatives buy food and other, deliver to them, use the door bell, back off and talk at distance.
I'm kind of issolated too but have no close living relatives, so I pay to make the supermarket to make home deliveries. I'm never close to the deliverer.

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Goslig
4/10/2020 10:10 EST

DF. For the real truth watch this:
https://youtu.be/Le_rfTdayLs

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dirtydelta
4/10/2020 16:30 EST

Hello everyone, apologies for my tardiness.

Since last month, I have been working in the states at one of the many Joint Operations Centers, for COVID-19 operations.

It's been hectic, eye opening, and exhausting.

To clear up some things I saw confused earlier:
SARS nCoV 2 is the virus.
COVID-19 is the disease it causes.

It gets compared to the flu too often, and hopefully at this time, people have picked up on how inaccurate that is and how within 1 month, its killed half of the average for influenza deaths over the course of 12 months.

No matter what you've heard, there are no vaccines at this time.

Testing kits aren't plentiful, but aren't "short" after changing the testing criteria. (Those without respiratory distress are told they may have it and to self isolate)

The statement about for every one case announced, there are multiples that didn't get tested and were turned away is 100% accurate, even in the US. The number though is so far, unknown.

If you have any questions regarding anything I've said, or inquiries about whats happening stateside, feel free to respond, and I will check this daily to reply.

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coach53
4/10/2020 17:17 EST

Goslig
"For the real truth watch this"
Well. Sure China have lied about important things.
Many politicians make crap decisions, so I DON'T say it's impossible China have spread such virus on purppouse
BUT WHY would they do that?

As nr 1 ECONOMICAL power in the world China was catching up on USA (passed allready?) and China had a strong trend up, while USA had trend some down (e g USA had lost credit grade. Both USA and Europe had trend down compared to SE Asia. I predicted allready around 25 years ago that would come, )
Conspiracy BELIEVES are much more common in USA than here. I wonder why... :)
There were discussions allready before covid if/when world trade would switch from be done in US dollars to Chinese yuan. (There were some such discussions in the world, but perhaps not in USA, because USA have a tendency to not look at what other countries think :)
(I DON'T believe such switch was any close, but coming (if the world don't agree about something else as e g a mix of currencies.)

Covid disturb above make EVERYONE LOSE including China by they lose much export.
This make me BELIEVE more at China made the virus, BUT it wasn't let out on purpouse.
Even if it would have been on purpouse China could have let it out somewhere else...
Why would they try to blame other countries afterwards otherwice...?

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dirtydelta
4/10/2020 19:31 EST

There is no evidence that China manufactured or altered the Corona virus.

Thats just speculation.

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surfingcebu
4/10/2020 19:35 EST

dirty - no evidence 'that your aware of ' ...plenty of evidence though . The UN , and the CIA , and MI-6 ( especially) , have data on this . email them to share it with you :)

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TheIslandGeneration
4/10/2020 21:43 EST

dirtydelta said "There is no evidence that China manufactured or altered the Corona virus."

This is what I've been saying all along. The Scripps Institute also pointed out it was a natural variant. Not to say that it couldn't have been in the lab. But as I've said many times is not weaponized. And just a virus-like SARS and MERS these get here by mutating and keep us on our toes or in this case off our toes.

Island

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Goslig
4/11/2020 06:19 EST

The island generation WATCH THIS RECENT YOUTUBE VIDEO & refute this published lancet evidence that the coronavirus was made by splicing SARS & HIV onto it in the sloppy Whuhan biowarfare lab. WATCH IT! Then post how this information isn’t accurate
https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic

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Goslig
4/11/2020 06:23 EST

DD oh! Enlighten yourself with this recent YouTube video. Chinese Lancet publications not fake; https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic

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Goslig
4/11/2020 06:28 EST

coach53. Thank you for your reply. Your hypotheticals are not in question. The records, however, indicate Chinese sloppy lab containment. PLEASE WATCH THE WHOLE RECENT ( April 5) YouTube video and the revelations from Chinese virologists published in the Lancer!
https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic

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rebtop
4/11/2020 07:00 EST

Surfing. No evidence (credible) to support what you are portraying as fact. Info Wars and like minded news outlets do not count. And please don’t include trump as a source. Biggest liar and fabricator of all. FactChecker stopped tracking his lies and just posts daily numbers. The last one was 8. We have the privilege in the states of listening to him 6 days a week on his Trump Comedy Hour. I am sure YOU would like listening to him on a daily basis.

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rebtop
4/11/2020 07:17 EST

Goslig. I took the time to watch about five minutes of the link you provided. It is much more entertainment and opinion then fact. Like watching a Super Hero’s movie. Some facts in there somewhere but very entertaining. I do not believe that this virus was intentionally produced. China was very irresponsible and negligent, but not criminal to let this happen. Their barbaric life style is undermining the world and has to stop. No question about that.

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coach53
4/11/2020 07:32 EST

Goslig
"The records, however, indicate Chinese sloppy lab containment."
Yes, but it's a HUGE difference between
/sloppy lab handling
/and leting it out on purpouse as some say...

It would be realy stupid by China to develop such virus and let it out in CHINA and then try to blame other countries. Although there are many stupid politicians in the world, so hard to know for sure by logic thinking, because many politicians don't have brain capacity to think logic :)

It's some hard to judge who tell truth, because there are so many false "facts" spread too. For instance scientists paid by tobacco companies said still many years after it was known by TOBACCO companires smoking tobacco add risk for cancer much...
So it's often hard to judge whp tell truth without knowing background and oppinions the sourse have.


Btw - It's a fact that big part of the viruses start by NATURE in SE Asia. E g a serious one 1957 in Sweden was even named "Asiaten" (= The Asiat).

I DON'T say it is so, but there is also an alternative POSIBILITY China had FOUND corona virus in NATURE and tried in lab to find cure to stop it.

(A Swedish school mate of mine - retired now - were part owner in a company with lab, which researched about trying to find treatments of viruses as well as bacterias, which - the later - had got resistent against the excisting antibiotics by to much use of antibiotics when it isn't necesary. Overuse of antibiotics is crazy much very common in the world, extra common in Phils (at least compared to Sweden). And common among "western" meat producers too feeding the animals antibiotics WITHOUT they are ill, just to prevent they get ill! :( Then this spread e g in meat...

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rebtop
4/11/2020 07:44 EST

I detect selective editing maybe taking place on this thread. Some posts seem to be missing. Just a feeling.

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tombalita1
4/11/2020 10:28 EST

Reb wrote: Some posts seem to be missing. Just a feeling.--------Well, that makes perfect sense. After all, liberals are guided by feelings. ----- or a conspiracy theory??

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dirtydelta
4/11/2020 10:36 EST

surfingcebu, you must have missed where I said I work in a Joint Operations Center in my initial response, no worries. What that means though, is that I work with some of these other agencies that you mentioned (except MI-6) you say to "email them and they will yell you" which... is definitely not how any of that works or would work if it were remotely true. They don't email just any one to share information, and I would know because I work processing requests for information and actions. Who knows though, maybe you have some insider knowledge? Maybe you can share what email you contacted to get said information? I'll hit them up, I've got a .gov email, they should reply (even if just to tell me to piss off)

Beyond that, YouTube videos are a dime a dozen, and I agree, these seem like hopeful fantasies more than verified and peer reviewed findings. This is the 17th occurance of coronavirus, not hardly new.

And has had many claims highly scrutinized.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/covid-19-bioweapon/

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dirtydelta
4/11/2020 10:36 EST

surfingcebu, you must have missed where I said I work in a Joint Operations Center in my initial response, no worries. What that means though, is that I work with some of these other agencies that you mentioned (except MI-6) you say to "email them and they will yell you" which... is definitely not how any of that works or would work if it were remotely true. They don't email just any one to share information, and I would know because I work processing requests for information and actions. Who knows though, maybe you have some insider knowledge? Maybe you can share what email you contacted to get said information? I'll hit them up, I've got a .gov email, they should reply (even if just to tell me to piss off)

Beyond that, YouTube videos are a dime a dozen, and I agree, these seem like hopeful fantasies more than verified and peer reviewed findings. This is the 17th occurance of coronavirus, not hardly new.

And has had many claims highly scrutinized.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/covid-19-bioweapon/

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tombalita1
4/11/2020 13:44 EST

dirtydelta: I work in a Joint Operations Center --- Thank you for your service. Stood duty in the JOC in the Navy. --- these seem like hopeful fantasies more than verified and peer reviewed findings. ------- verified, I agree, but I wouldn't trust anything from SNOPES.
They definitely have a very strong political agenda.

Tom

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dirtydelta
4/11/2020 14:39 EST

If you don't appreciate snopes as a site debunking myths and fables, we can also look at the fact that exactly no respectable information outlet is pushing any information whatsoever about nCoV2 being a bioweapon. that should say enough honestly.

A more scientific based debunk can be found here with a slew of resources and citations attached, such as from the actual lancet articles, not some YouTubers interpretation.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

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tlallen59
4/11/2020 16:08 EST

What is it about (NOT POLITICAL) do you not understand. Feel free to spew your trash on the other thread.

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dirtydelta
4/11/2020 20:23 EST

tlallen59, who are you talking about?

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Goslig
4/11/2020 22:01 EST

dirtydelta. Your reference was interesting reading. However your conclusions are not as black and white as you make them sound since the conclusions of your reference state “ it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another.”

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LarryKar
4/11/2020 22:37 EST

Gos: you said "However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible." But what we all really want to know is " Who put the Ram in the lama lama ding dong?". Do you really think that helps or convinces anyone here of anything?

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Earnestndeavor
4/12/2020 00:14 EST

tlallen59;

In case you haven’t noticed Reb doesn’t follow rules. His message of hate is much more important than your right to engage in meaningful dialogue of a designated and titled subject. He hi-jacks every thread and uses it to hate. He disrespects every member of the forum by forcing members who would not otherwise read his hatefulness to do so by his hi-jacking. I don’t expect he will quit due to member admonishment alone. I think it will take action by peacekeeper to end his total disrespect for the rules and other members.

Earnie

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rebtop
4/12/2020 07:20 EST

Earnest. Understood. I posted to the wrong thread.

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dirtydelta
4/12/2020 10:59 EST

Goslig, if you want to draw your own conclusions contrary to the latest scientific findings, i can't help you. Of course things can change with more evidence. However, an infinite amount of outcomes doesn't mean all of them. There are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3. There isn't anything suggesting this is a bioweapon beyond hokey YouTube videos and worse webblogs.

Unrelated, the latest update for the mortality rate is 4.1%. Comparatively, the yearly flu has a mortality rate of around .1%, so definitely don't let people get away with dismissing this as similar to the flu, or that the flu is worse.

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dirtydelta
4/12/2020 10:59 EST

Goslig, if you want to draw your own conclusions contrary to the latest scientific findings, i can't help you. Of course things can change with more evidence. However, an infinite amount of outcomes doesn't mean all of them. There are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3. There isn't anything suggesting this is a bioweapon beyond hokey YouTube videos and worse webblogs.

Unrelated, the latest update for the mortality rate is 4.1%. Comparatively, the yearly flu has a mortality rate of around .1%, so definitely don't let people get away with dismissing this as similar to the flu, or that the flu is worse.

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tombalita1
4/12/2020 12:04 EST

No matter what happens after this, China knows how to bring us to our knees. Think about this: China currently has 1.38 billion people, the U.S. has 3.31 million. Everyone in the U.S. could die from Covid-19. If the same number died in China, they would still have more than a billion people! Just a thought.

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tombalita1
4/12/2020 12:10 EST

Correction: My last post should have said that the U.S. population was 331 million not 3.31 million. Result is still the same.

Tom

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Goslig
4/13/2020 08:11 EST

dirtydelta. I appreciate your perspective. The discussion on YouTube continues and supports what you are saying. Why would the WHO claim in early January that the coronavirus wasn’t a threat when clearly Xi and the CCP knew how Dangerous this was by the second or third week in December? Opportunism? The conspiracy is the silence and death toll. The link below is anther YouTube feature in support of your opinion and elaborating further:
https://youtu.be/IYjeO_n9vQw

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/13/2020 11:16 EST

Just another fact that everyone needs to keep in mind, 25%-50% of people who contract the virus are asymptomatic (they show minimal or they don't show any signs or symptoms) but they can still transfer the virus to other people. That's why everyone needs to keep up with social distancing and isolation as much as possible. Until rapid efficient test become readily available to everyone, you really don't know who has the virus and who doesn't. I imagine 99% of us on this forum are over the age of 50. Take your vitamins, eat as healthy as possible to keep your immunity system strong. I take many things from Resveratrol to Turmeric...

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Goslig
4/16/2020 03:54 EST

The enhanced community quarantine in Davao Region was extended today from April 19 to April 26. All airport, road, and sea access is blocked except for trucks with one driver carting essential food and medical supplies.

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coach53
4/16/2020 08:44 EST

To early to say for sure if it's a trend break, but some possibility.
IF it's a true trend break, it can give hope to other countries too.

Until before Easter Sweden have had "cycles" between 4 - 9 days in between the tops, with higher and higher tops of NEW cases .
But the recent top had less new cases than the last before Easter, back even under the level the top before that.
(The three latest tops of new cases per day: 602, 738, 565.)

Source is Folkhälsomyndigheten, which is the official here.
Their values are shown graphical here: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

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coach53
4/18/2020 07:11 EST

Is this anything, which is researched elsewhere too?
NOTE! Phils officials WARN against it because it isn't tested enough.
"The FDA issued a warning against the the drug combination of Procaine and Dexamethasone with Vitamin B to treat COVID-19, amid claims on social media that these had "promising effects" to combat viral infections"
=A MIX of meds against dengue, HIV plus vitamin B.

Sourse:
https://cnnphilippines.com/news/2020/3/30/FDA-warning-Prodex-B-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR0vdR7OB76O8RKgKyzdgsaVFg_QA17uPNRzePsavWPbxqXkVFb0yZZ1QiU

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TheIslandGeneration
4/18/2020 21:14 EST

Coach, I'm not sure what the FDA said but

Procaine is a local anesthetic that can also be used in injections of penicillin to just cut down on the pain at the injection. Also used in dentistry. But this just numbs an area and does not cure anything.

Dexamethasone is a corticosteroid. These do stop the over inflammation and this is part of the issue with Covid-19 before people go into pneumonia. But corticosteroid I think would be nonspecific so they might stop your entire immune system from acting and allow the virus and secondary infections to go crazy. But there are some indications that corticosteroids could help in the very early stages but since many people don't have noticeable symptoms it's hard to say what is an early-stage.

I will try to post what I know is being used successfully out there at the prescription level that you can discuss with a doctor. I will also post what things will probably work quite well that do not require prescriptions. You should always discuss these things with the doctor however I would say in my experience doctors don't tend to always be up on fast-moving pandemics not in the years past or even today. They have no time to read scientific journals when they have 70 patients.

So it's usually up to the patient to be smarter to bring to the doctor here's what I've seen read it... Do you have any problem with that treatment, Doc? My doctors usually follow what I bring them and agreed to give it a try.

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coach53
4/19/2020 06:04 EST

TheIsland
:thumbs up:
"I will try to post what I know is being used successfully out there at the prescription level that you can discuss with a doctor."
My OWN situation I try to solve by not meeting anyone :) Get food delivered.
But I check possible solutions anyway to get hints of when the world can start functioning again, plus there are people I care about, who can't avoid people as I do.

"My doctors usually follow what I bring them and agreed to give it a try."
I have BAD experience concerning such. I have noticed important OLD knowledge AREN'T tought to "specialists" both concerning my knee injury and about strokes!!! This have made I have got big problems several times by I don't get documents I need :(
I have tried to get the education changed but it's hard to find anyone who have the power to solve it. So far I have only found one who can change at ONE education place, but I want it to be changed nationaly.

One "specialist" didn't like - after he had told WRONG - when I said:
-A kindergarten kid understand it's bad to shake something which is half broken allready...

haha

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/19/2020 15:46 EST

I think the U. S. government screwed up by not moving fast enough to confirm, contain and prevent the spread of Covid 19 but compared to almost every other country they did ok. As an example if you compare the U.S. with Sweden over the last two weeks both countries have had around a 120% increase in positive cases and currently both countries are increasing at around 5% everyday and like most of the world slowly declining. A matter-of-fact of the 20 countries with the highest confirmed cases other than Russia and Brazil almost every country is increasing at only 1%-6% everyday even with the increased testing. It will take time but if everyone stays on course the situation is definitely improving.

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coach53
4/24/2020 11:45 EST

A while it looked as Sweden had got a trend down in new cases per day, but yesterday it became same high amount as the highest before :(

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coach53
4/25/2020 12:55 EST

Significant more men than women dead and in intensive care in Sweden.
In intensive care now
Women 329 | Men 927

Dead so far
Women 939 | Men: 1 213

Is it similar in other countries?

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mattinnorfolk
4/27/2020 06:30 EST

https://www.foxla.com/news/hundreds-of-thousands-of-la-county-residents-may-have-coronavirus-usc-antibody-study-suggests

Great news out of California and USC study

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coach53
4/28/2020 17:38 EST

What do you guys think about this?
What I found is in Swedish so I make a rough translation about some main parts:

"Nobel price winner Luc Montagnier say about coronavirus it can't come from nature it has to been made in a lab. At the bioweapon lab in Wuhan has the scientist Shi Zhengli with economical support from e g Anthony Faucis in NIAID in USA during around 10 years worked with these recombined viruses and also how they react in bats."

I suppouse you don't have much use of the source I found because it's in Swedish, but here is a link they refer to with an interview with Luc Montagnier:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-man-made-virus-hiv-discoverer-says-could-only-have-been-created-lab

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/28/2020 20:01 EST

Coach,
1) I don't think this is Coronavirus information & Support.
2) You are spreading BS fake news.


THE CONNEXION-French News and Views (April 22, 2020)

"A controversial French Nobel prize-winning scientist has accused biologist of having created SARS-COV-2-the virus that causes Covid-19-in a lab, but the wider scientific community has refuted the claim."


Oliver Schwartz, head of the virus and immunity department of France's Pasteur Institute said studies on the virus's genes show clearly that it was not a virus made by humans in the laboratory. "Professor Montagnier spreads whimsical theories, he told the French weekly L'Obs."

The virus is clearly part of the coronavirus family tree. It is close to Sars-Cov-1, with which it has 80% homology," he explained. "Above all, the same virus is found in different animals, in particular the pangolin and the bat. And there, the percentage of similarities is greater than 95%. So, by drawing up the family tree of this virus, we know that it is derived from viruses that circulate in nature.," he said.


What Montagnier spreads is "fake news" that started in March with a manuscript posted by an Indian team on a website where scientist share ongoing analyses without waiting for expert verification, added Schwartz. "The Indian team ended up withdrawing their manuscript when they realized their error later."

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TheIslandGeneration
4/28/2020 21:36 EST

The virus naturally mutated. I know it sounds sexy to say it's made in the lab. What was smallpox, the plague, measles or the Spanish flu? These are all incredibly dangerous and it took us quite a while to figure out how to stop them. Even today we have anti-vaccine groupies who base their entire thinking around one guy, one doctor that has been disbanded and no longer allowed to practice medicine for making a claim of issues with vaccines.

I don't see the made in the lab thing much different. People just want to blame someone and not mother nature.

New evidence coming out is showing more and more that the vaccine did not originate in Wuhan. There are at least two confirmed cases that are in early December that was way outside of Wuhan. You can extrapolate from that that someone could've traveled into Wuhan maybe even a meet merchant that spread the disease.

In the United States, this same issue has happened where Washington state was always assumed to be the first case. But now we realize that Sacramento California had a woman with a severe heart attack. They knew she had the flu and left it at that. But then someone went back and checked lab samples or whatever and have now said this person definitely had Covid. The interesting thing is this woman never left the United States her friends and family says they had no clue as to how she would've come in contact with someone. But that's the key someone else had it before she did. Most doctors at that time were writing down the flu because that them that's what it was and those people are buried and it may not be possible even in the United States the figure out exactly who was patient zero. So we probably won't figure out who was patient zero in China either.

There always be those people that say this came out of the lab. I myself of said it's possible someone in a lab working with bats may have contacted the disease and simply walked outside not meaning to spread it not even knowing they had it. But with the latest data it would seem it's probably some farmer in the province.

Many countries have level 4 virus labs including many in the United States. The Wuhan one by the way was built by the French they later abandoned their joint effort with the Chinese.

If you look at a moment at the Spanish flu you realize it was a brutal killer. There are also some estimates but there in the tens of millions if not in the hundreds of millions of people that died.

It did not originate in Spain it may have gained that name no different than Wuhan

The first known case was reported at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas, on March 11, 1918. There was a rush of young men coming from farms to join the military go to war it has been established that one of these individuals may have fit into a flulike outbreak in a small farming town that a doctor had reported their but it stopped when a number of the men left.

What we also know is that doctors tried to stop the flu with a formally patented drug that in 1917 became generic that was called aspirin. They were prescribing up to 30 g a day. Keep in mind today we know 4 grams of aspirin a day can be deadly. Not to mention aspirin given to young people can cause Reye's (Reye) syndrome.

Right now were dealing with Covid 19 that has no natural immunity and to this point no known magic bullet of medicine to stop it.

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TheIslandGeneration
4/28/2020 22:42 EST

April 28. A horrific situation at Holyoke soldiers home in Massachusetts. 68 veterans died of Covid 19. Another 82 residents and 81 employees have also tested positive. At this time this may be the worst hit long-term care facility in the United States

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tombalita1
4/28/2020 22:58 EST

TheIslandGeneration

The virus naturally mutated. I know it sounds sexy to say it's made in the lab. . . . . . and to this point no magical bullet of medicine to stop it. ————- oh, that clears it up. Kind of like wear a mask, then don’t wear a mask or the deaths would be a million then 250,000 and now 70,000.

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TheIslandGeneration
4/29/2020 00:33 EST

tombalita1 certainly more exciting to say it was made in the lab makes it mysterious and all military. Now there's even less evidence to show the virus started in Wuhan. Even the United States does not know where the virus started but they are busy doing forensic evidence to figure that out.

The thing I said clears anything up. If anything of stated mother nature when he gets a chance will mess you up.... Get the wrong mosquito bite all of a sudden you're in the corner shivering.... Hello, malaria.

As for wearing a mask, the United States is not used to that so I think there was some political wrangling back and forth. The people in the United States have been wearing masks and most of the country has been in lockdown. So this prevented the deaths from being in the million category at this point by the mitigation done to limit exposure to each other.

However, I'm not sure where you got your 70,000 deaths number in the United States.

Right at this moment in the United States 58,355 deaths from Covid 19.

So my educated guess would be around May 8 to the 10th at 70,000.

One huge thing you're forgetting here is that this is an ongoing pandemic. Were not counting the number in the history of something that stops killing us. Were in the middle or the beginning depending on a year from now. Antibody testing is shown in California me only 3% and actually had the virus and in York city 13%. This means that 90% of the United States has not come in contact with yet or has not produced antibodies. So that means the number of people that could die from this could still reach 500,000. The virus is not gauged by seasonal like the flu. The coronavirus will continue. Just look at South America quite hot virus spreading pretty badly. So why would it stop in the United States in the summer it will continue in pockets then continue to the winter.

If we cannot develop the magic bullet of medicines that work and we can't stop the death. Let's keep in mind we've had four months around the world of scientists and medical professionals virologists who would just love to come up with the cure but we haven't.

Also, the virus continues to mutate with about 80 different strains. The strain that hit New York came in through Europe the strain that hit Washington state was from China directly. All this started in China but now effects 185 countries. The only thing that is stopping it has been every country locking down.

As some states open up aggressively it will take a few weeks to a month for the virus to reemerge in full and then we'll see the repercussions.

The only thing that will slow it will be heard immunity where a large percentage of the people have gotten it and can't spread it. However, a number of countries including the US have seen people they thought were cured and were well come back with it. This would either mean a weak immunity or that the immunity is short-lived which is not unusual with coronaviruses which control the common cold and are not influenza.

So in an ongoing pandemic don't count the numbers just like in war you don't know the death toll until you get to the peace treaty

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TheIslandGeneration
4/29/2020 01:22 EST

4/29 I found a projection from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation that says the cumulative US death toll by August 4 to be 74,073

Maybe that's where people got the 70,000 number ...I know Trump mentioned 60k to 70k.

August 4 is a long way away.

I have predicted the US death toll to be 70,000 by the 8 - 10th of MAY .... I'm saying 10 to 12 days from right now

Will I be that much better at predicting numbers then the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation?

I'm sure you guys will let me know. I'll be sure to be here either way

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coach53
4/29/2020 03:41 EST

ACE
"Coach,
1) I don't think this is Coronavirus information & Support."
Of course it is if it's true.

"2) You are spreading BS fake news."
I ASKED what you guys think about it.

And it's same/SIMILAR as more than one of the Americans in THIS forum have said... haha
With the difference in the article I read there are some names.
What some of the Americans, thinking conspiracy, say THEMSELVES in this forum are sure FALSE. (=They claim Chinese government have spread the virus ON PURPOUSE).
I claim SURE false because one thing chineese people are known for is thinking GENERATIONS AHEAD, when westerners think to next longer vacation and Filipinos think until tomorrow :) (Of course generalized in average.)
China were closing up and passing USA anyway BEFORE corona, so it would have been better for China to just do nothing different, that's why I claim the chinese government can't have spread the virus on purpouse....

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tombalita1
4/29/2020 06:45 EST

Coach: chineese people are known for is thinking GENERATIONS AHEAD, when westerners think to next longer vacation and Filipinos think until tomorrow. ---Your observation is absolutely true! ----Another observation. The Wuhan virus was know to be in Wuhan in December.
While the CCP prohibited Wuhan residents from travelling to other areas of China, they let them travel everywhere else in the world.----The Chinese then buy up PPE from all over the world at low prices----and then SELL it all over the world to the highest bidder. Does this sound all unplanned to you?

Tom

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/29/2020 12:11 EST

Mark,
The cases and death rates are increasing at 3%-4% a day in the U.S.. We should be seeing at least 80T deaths by May 10. As more testing and proper identification becomes available those number may be even higher.

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/29/2020 12:26 EST

Coach, I understand you are not an American so I won't question your English or grammar but it's not information, it's what we call "misinformation". It's a conspiracy theory. Dr. Anthony Fauci is probably one of the most highly respected person in the U.S. at the moment. Enough said...

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/29/2020 12:28 EST

Mark,
The more I look at the numbers your prediction of 70T is probably pretty far off. I'd guess it'll be maybe 85T plus.

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TheIslandGeneration
4/29/2020 13:27 EST

Acepoolplayer

I was being a bit conservative with the numbers. 70,000 by August 4? I don't know what Washington state is smoking. Unfortunately, the Trump administration is using these numbers. This will make governors and people believe the crisis is over and come out. Even now some states are opening restaurants and the patrons are wearing a mask it's a recipe for disaster. It will happen now but certainly in the month or 2 Numbers Way above 70 or 80,000.

Washington State University is certainly going to say everyone didn't do what we told him to do so, therefore, are numbers work right. It's easy to blame someone else because you're wrong with your numbers we see that many times.


My point is based upon the number of infections around the world still increasing rapidly there has been no curve. New York is showing a curve down in death and hospitalization but hospitalization is still around a thousand a day. When you have many other states that are starting to break out. An event in Washington DC was just canceled because the rate of the breakout in DC is way too high.

This simply means that the rate of death will continue maybe not as much and that's why I cut my number two about 1,100 a day to arrive at 70,000 in 10 days. But you're right it could be 80k either way were both better than the University if we turn out to be right.

Again if there's some magic combination of drugs that stop this given all at once by all hospitals in the United States then, of course, those numbers would come down dramatically. I just don't see that happening.

I understand in the last email you up to the 85,000. My modification for slightly lower than yours just comes from looking at the number of people admitted to hospitals that have slowed. This is due to social distancing and lockdown not that the fact the virus will be just as lethal when we lift those measurements. So there's always this two weeks three week lag time. So even with Georgia opening up in Texas, there may be a number of weeks going past the 10 days before we start seeing death claim again.

Another unusual thing happening here which I noted a while back ago was that not many Chinese reported young people getting sick in the United States hospitals were reporting a high number of young individuals coming into the hospital with coronavirus. Now we're starting to see infants affected by a blood vessel inflammation so again a small amount of mutation. It's very hard to keep up with this disease certainly not as straightforward as just getting the flu.

A history note if we do reach 75,000 and added to the 25,000 this year that died from the regular flu. Then our flu season would have hit 100,000 deaths in the United States I believe that's a record not seen since the Spanish flu in 1918-19. I hope that everyone that said it's "no worse than the flu" will realize they're very wrong.

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tombalita1
4/29/2020 13:48 EST

Even now some states are opening restaurants and the patrons are wearing a mask it's a recipe for disaster. ----- At some point, the cure is worse than the virus. Death from suicide, depression and other undiagnosed diseases are on the rise. The hype has everyone so scared, they won't see their doctor of go to an emergency room if needed because they're scared of getting the virus.----- In order to skew the numbers higher, everyone dying for any reason is counted as a Covis-19 death. ---- I'll sit back and watch as the jockeying continues. I'll be proven right later because hindsight is always 20/20. Wink, wink!

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coach53
4/29/2020 14:26 EST

tombalita
"The Chinese then buy up PPE from all over the world at low prices----and then SELL it all over the world to the highest bidder. Does this sound all unplanned to you?"
As I had said - chineese think generations ahead. They were passing USA anyway.
Corona make a REGRESSION all over the world making chineese production LOOSE customers A LOT.
So the plan you describe is more as a WESTERNER thinking plan :)
if it was spread ON PURPOUSE.
Although it's possible some chineese individuals do as you describe in an AS IS situation when NOT spread on purpouse. But aren't chineese more for buying and KEEP?

- -
ACE
" it's what we call "misinformation". It's a conspiracy theory."
Conspirary theories is an AMERICAN speciality :)
You seem to forget I ASKED what you guys think about it,
IN DIFFERENCE from the Americans, who have told conspiracy theories claiming they are TRUE...

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TheIslandGeneration
4/29/2020 15:18 EST

tombalita1

I disagree with the cure is worse than the virus from a strictly medical standpoint. Keep in mind the virus is like a sniper outside your house to shoot you when it feels like. Every country has seen a decrease in hospitalization and death from the virus when people have been locked down. So we know this works.

People that are unstable and unable to handle situations are going to commit suicide and lap into depression. I imagine this was just as bad during World War II or even 9/11. On the other hand, a woman Dr. that was head of ER of I believe a New York hospital got Covid 19 survived did well came back to work and then committed suicide. She was locked down if anything she has beaten the disease.... But she couldn't take the death toll in the ER more than likely. All nurses describe it as something they never signed up for.

I agree with you in one way that the hype has everyone scared. If places like the Washington State University and then others using those numbers give people a glimmer of hope and as ACEpoolplayer and I know those numbers are way wrong. People were obviously going to get depressed when the death rate goes higher. To me, that's hype not telling people the truth.

The divorce rate is also skyrocketing people actually realize they hate each other when they have to be together all the time.. Marriage under pressure... Should it be a reality show?

"In order to skew the numbers higher, everyone dying for any reason is counted as a Covis-19 death" this truly is one of the most absurd things I have heard of. First of all, they have to be tested for Covid 19 before or after death and confirmed. The numbers are confirmed only. It is believed that a lot more people have died from Covid 19 but we been unable to confirm them. This just leads people to believe what you are saying in the walkout and catch the disease and die. You realize that there already have been some people that protested saying it was all hype and now I've tested positive for the disease? Based on your own statement you're saying everyone that died from suicide died from Covid 19 in a way they did they die from the stress of it but not from the disease nor are they counted. Your statement seems like every car accident every stroke is Covid 19. Doctors only count Covid 19 when confirmed

Somehow you're saying 185 countries are wrong? The entire planet? The only place saying they don't have it is North Korea... They're saying it's hype.

So you're trying to say you're going to be justified that the numbers are going to be higher than you said because were going to count people that don't have it and therefore you're right.... That's uncomplicated political math that we all know has nothing to do with reality. I think I'll go buy some Lysol gargle and the UV light

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tombalita1
4/29/2020 18:55 EST

Coach53: Spoken like a true supporter of the CCP.

Tom

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tombalita1
4/29/2020 19:07 EST

Island,

In order to skew the numbers higher, everyone dying for any reason is counted as a Covis-19 death" this truly is one of the most absurd things I have heard of. --- I believe "when in doubt, call it Covis". Also, can someone research if raising the Covis count equals more money for the state or local level? --------- Every country has seen a decrease in hospitalization and death from the virus when people have been locked down. So we know this works.---Let's just lock everybody down indefinitely! No one allowed out. No police, no food stores, Just close everything. Nothing essential except stopping Covis. When we all die from something, then we'll have beaten Covis. Or it will have beaten us?

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TheIslandGeneration
4/29/2020 21:03 EST

tombalita1

"when in doubt, call it Covis" I assume you not talking about the spear point.

Drs. are not making this assumption for death certificates. Why would they appear in a hospital bed using very good at keeping people live I know I'm not going there. I might be sick but I'll drive myself to one that has a good record of getting people well not dying.

A matter of fact what is happening in a documented situation in the Miami Herald would you can read. Is that it has been noticed for the last 10 days that the medical examiner office and the official count by the state have been off. The medical examiner has been showing a higher number of deaths than by the Florida health officials. The state is forcing the medical examiner's office not to publish the results which they are fighting back on.

Are we becoming China... Are the states hiding the numbers now at least one of them is suppressing its numbers? Because they want to open. Many states like Georgia are defying Trump's order.

If numbers were being made up, doctors and nurses all over the United States would be saying no way it's all a lie if anything doctors and nurses are exhausted from all the people dying. Recent doctors that just graduated are being told to go ahead and start in the ER without any internship get going were in crisis mode.

Are any people making money all of this I guess yes the company the Trump has mentioned is making money because they're helping with the supplies? It's business. It would matter whose president they'd have to go to these companies to get them to ramp up to give them money or whatever they need to save as many people as possible.

You see you can have it both ways. You can't say it was released from a lab in Wuhan and a deadly virus release to kill everyone. Well then it's doing a good job and that means the numbers are probably really low. But if you say the numbers are too high in all lies in the virus is a problem from Wuhan. You see how your kind of caught in the middle... Never mind you don't but everyone else might?

And then you like unfortunately many that think your way say well we locked down and it works so let's lock everything down and no one moved not even the police. You see and then you just get crazy. If anything all states have said all police, fire emergency workers, essential workers need to stay on the job. This is been true of every country. You just want to make people fear this giant lockdown of no one moving which will never happen the concept of the lockdown used to cut down on the number of people on their movement. This controls infection. But when you let the people out and you don't have any immunity and no medicines that effectively work yet then the virus will come back just like what is happening in certain provinces of China right now. And don't forget Singapore.

Yes, this is an economical nightmare there 26 million people on unemployment United States that weren't on unemployment a month ago. Every country is in a serious world of hurt financially. In Oklahoma gas is selling for $0.99 a gallon what a bargain.

For you to somehow imply that people weren't getting help for things like car accidents or other immediate injuries was never true. That's why the U.S. Navy's medical ship the comfort was sent to New York to handle non-covid patients that needed trauma situations. However, now it plans to set sail because hospital admissions are going down but still a thousand a day in New York. The is in other states the level of death and hospitalization is increasing. Just like it hit your Europe all on different days in different ways it's doing the same things the states. Look at Germany and barely got affected by the virus but Italy and Spain got crushed... Same situation with the states.

I can tell you one thing is an absolute fact that one of the large medical labs in the United States is saying they'll be glad to do an antibody test you take it home you sent into them.... Fantastic.... This will help us all...... on, by the way, its $110 .... So everyone getting past as promised is sorta true but if you're unemployed and have a million bills and probably not to spend that money on a test. So there's an undocumented spreader

Keep in mind in 1918 the same procedures were put in place the matter fact ahead of the health department in New York lost his job in 1919 for trying to keep the disease from spreading in New York. They didn't want to play it safe 670,000 people in the United States died. That's the price

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coach53
4/30/2020 02:40 EST

Much worse for men than for women here in Sweden.
In other countries too?

Updated
In imtensive care NOW
Women 366 | Men: 1 069

Dead TOTAL
Women 1 070 | Men: 1 392

NEW cases diagram curve isn't raising anymore, but HAVEN'T gone down.
(I think Sweden has been to slow/litle at acting and restrictions are often just recomendations instead of rules.)

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TheIslandGeneration
5/8/2020 00:13 EST

ACEPoolPlayer

I was talking about Washington state making this prediction of 74,000 deaths in the United States by August. Another group came out and said 80,000 by end of summer.

Let's keep one thing in mind spring is not over.... Forget the summer and August.

I had said the death count would get to 70,000 by the 8th or the 10th way earlier than these two university studies that even Trump cited as maybe 65,000 or 70,000 by August...

Trump was actually listening to them but he should have been listening to ACEPoolPlayer Now we know why he calls the shots!

Yes is a bit morbid talking about but it's kind of weird that you have 2 retired guys can that see what's coming but an entire government and a number of universities can't?

I don't think the total is done for May 7..... But currently, we are at 75,670 have died in the United States

I think the highest number in a day of 3,437....
In 40 states are opening up?

Ace how do you call this? I'm thinking of disaster in about a month month and 1/2 as all those people released start mangling give that the two weeks. Then people get sick. My thinking is this will hit the states near the Mississippi all the way up north the worst this time.

Unfortunately, I think the United States is following China in that death is a reasonably acceptable loss to open back up and get the economy started again which will be incredibly difficult. China hasn't reported any deaths in three weeks simply because they don't want to

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coach53
5/9/2020 22:25 EST

"Unfortunately, I think the United States is following China in that death is a reasonably acceptable loss to open back up and get the economy started again which will be incredibly difficult."
Well. Sweden is BAD at reducing new cases per day. Terrible by not making quarantaine for people coming with flights from risk countries, BEFORE we had got any covid to Sweden. Sweden hasn't still!!! Here are very few rules. One is not allowing biger GROUPS than 50 !!! So if one of them has the virus, and then the others go to oter groups with max 50, then have all people covid soon, so that's a stupid rule. Very late with starting using facemasks for caretakers of old people here!!! :(
Much have been opened all the time here, the only I have noticed are profesional sport events by it would be to big groups of spectators. Each school decide themselves if they have opened or closed. But many restaurants and shops go bankruptcy by many people prefer to stay at home concerning things they don't need to go to.

BUT an interesting thing can be seen in the statistics. Almost none dead under 50 yo. The statistics don't tell though if the few dead of them were in any of the official told risk groups.
IF so it can perhaps be worth THINKING if it can be a good idea to let them under 50 yo work as usual (but with breath masks) except them in the risk groups?

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mattinnorfolk
5/11/2020 20:08 EST

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Assuming nations are being honest and Philippines is one of least tested nations in the world. They have only done 40% of what the Dominican Republic has done, at 1,500 per million, as the USA is almost 30,000 per million. I am surprised China and South Korea has not supplied more test kits.

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tombalita1
5/11/2020 20:36 EST

Matt,
Check this out. This chart tells you how many deaths by Covid-19 per 100,00 population of each country. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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mattinnorfolk
5/11/2020 20:52 EST

Tom, I really have the least amount of confidence in this number. In many cases they die before they get there, and the USA said no person can be denied healthcare for the corona virus, and they will reimburse all hospitals at the Medicare rate for any virus related death or illness, Many Doctors are coming out and saying they have received instructions from their state health departments saying if you cannot say the patient was tested and did not have it, it can be classified as related unless you can definitively proof it was not. Somehow magically the numbers are higher, and hospitals and states are reimbursed instead of writing it off. May people in the third world never make it to the hospital before dying, and emerging market countries are not doing expensive autopsy's to find out. Facts figures, and figures lie or we used to say garbage in and garbage out. IMHO

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surfingcebu
5/11/2020 21:25 EST

Tom - Interesting graph on Wuhan Flu . thanks for the look !

Like I said this had been brewing for some time ! I went to china Beijing / Shanghai and areas , about last year in about Sept./ October - They were talking about the "lung Flu " then , and "...dont go to Wuhan and areas, Bad flu's , Lung Flu..." ..... China hid it and spread the virus around the world with the help from the WHO .... NO doubt in my mind ! They must pay now .

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tombalita1
5/11/2020 22:11 EST

Matt,

Saw an interview with a funeral director, I forgot what state, that said that almost all the bodies he's receiving say Covid-19 on the death certificate. ???-----Tom

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tombalita1
5/11/2020 22:12 EST

Nobody's dying of anything else?

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tombalita1
5/11/2020 22:30 EST

Surf,

My wife and I were doing a medical mission in Ifugao in late January. I heard the reports that Wuhan had been shut down, no one in, no one out by air, rail or vehicle. What we didn't know at that time was that the CCP was allowing international flights out of Wuhan while prohibiting domestic flights. Our return trip on 6 February to Washington Dulles was cancelled as Trump cancelled all flights from China on January 31. Joe Biden said on Feb 1 quote “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, and fear-mongering to lead the way instead of science.”
When I checked, the flight's first segment Manila-Beijing was still flying but the Beijing-DC was cancelled. It was early March when Nancy Pelosi was telling San Francisco to go out and enjoy life as normal as was Andrew Cuomo and Mayor DiBlasio telling New Yorkers the same. ---- We don't need to wait years to see them rewriting history, they're doing it months or even weeks later!

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Earnestndeavor
5/11/2020 23:34 EST

Surf- I completely agree. China should be held accountable. But will they?

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TheIslandGeneration
5/12/2020 00:38 EST

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the infectious disease dude will tell the Senate tomorrow that opening up too fast will cause needless suffering and death

Interestingly enough around DC the Maryland death count has been rising steadily for five days. Strangely enough right outside of Joint Base Andrews there is a Covid testing center in which a group of A10 warthogs flew over to salute the medical staff.... I was standing right there but there was no medical staff the center wasn't even open. It's definitely strange times

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tlallen59
5/12/2020 05:44 EST

Thank you Tom for the presentation of facts, of which there have been very few during this pandemic.

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coach53
5/12/2020 09:04 EST

Oh MIMAROPA =Region IV B
is ending the municipaly quarantines 16 May. Will other parts ofPhil too?

Sourse: Palawan News
https://www.facebook.com/palawanews/?__tn__=%2CdkCH-R-R&eid=ARDePSAC8gnGOs83G6UK0FQrR4D2-3uDyxEm3CQ9gf-GFfgwgBdvrhYmy43SUJqSumaWKP5dHpWn6EAD&hc_ref=ARQPGLFGxfj4Z1vBMvUrd2o2Zbb_NIN30oYu3sZhCV6PRKn0edJv9-PBOCH0_45FJyM&fref=nf&hc_location=group

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/14/2020 18:22 EST

Mark,
Sorry for the late response. I've been preoccupied with other important things the last week. I keep up a spread sheet everyday on the different states and countries. The total this morning was already 84,136 deaths. In my calculations I have 18 states that are showing at least a 10% increase every 3 days (rolling average). That does not include NY, NJ, (who make up over 50% of the cases in the U.S.) which are getting things under control. I see things from a medical point of view. It's just ridiculous what's going on. I commend the American people for being patient for 2 months but it's just not enough. The surge is already on it's way in many states. Just as the cold mutates all the time (new flu shots every year) the corona virus (covid-19 has already mutated over 10 times). Things are not going to get better for a long time. Those who deny it are just flat out lying!!!

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/14/2020 18:48 EST

Just for the record in the last 9 months there have been around 27,000 deaths from the flu in the U.S. In less than 3 months there are already more than 3 times that amount due to the Coronavirus (84,000 and counting).

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coach53
5/15/2020 08:29 EST

Now they kind of take back what they said a few days ago, and they still haven't told what it will be although it's the 16th soon!!!

The rest are quotes of PARTS of the article:

(Presidental spoke person) Ruque says lifting of quarantine for low risk provinces was “honest mistake”

He said that all areas earlier classified as “low risk” will be considered as under a Modified General Community Quarantine (MGCQ).

“All areas previously classified with no community quarantines now reclassified under modified GCQ,” Roque said.

No specific guidelines

The IATF has yet to issue specific guidelines under a MGCQ, even as it stated that provinces covered under it will be governed by “minimum health standards” of physical distancing, wearing of masks, and general reduction of people in work environments.

sourse:
https://palawan-news.com/duque-says-lifting-of-quarantine-for-low-risk-provinces-was-honest-mistake/

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surfingcebu
5/15/2020 10:43 EST

Canadians - I hear Canada may be doing another Sweeper flight to repatriate Canadians who dont live there 100% of the time . AGAIN , they are using PAL . cost is about 2300-2600 USD for a flight that normally costs 600-700 cad . Pal is pocketing 4times the normal flight costs while JET-A is at its lowest price in 15-20 years !

In Canada along with our Prime Minster ( Trudy) in 'self isolation) we have our French military sitting at home in self isolation ( really!) from orders of our former Drama instructor/teacher Prime Minister. Also Air Canada is only flying at 20% capacity , with 90-110 Long Range jets sitting idle . Its like a bad movie here !

Like I said before ... the quarantines and lockdowns will never end until bullets fly ....as too much money to be made in graft under the Wuhan Flu Pandemic !

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/16/2020 12:51 EST

Mark (Theislandgeneration),
I just heard the CDC is now predicting 100,000 deaths by June 1st. In my calculations it'll be 110,000 and maybe more. I think the CDC is being told to keep their predictions and numbers down.

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tombalita1
5/16/2020 13:33 EST

Ace, you’ve been spot on with your predictions. I was watching a New York based station and they were interviewing a funeral director who said that nearly all that are brought there have Covid-19 as the reason on their death certificate. He said he wondered if anybody is dying from anything else. As I always follow the money, is there an incentive In categorizing them all as Covid-19? Or might this mean Covid related? I throw this out to the great investigators we have on this forum to dig into. Based on the official count, we’ll break 100,000 before 01 June.——Tom

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darkfader24
5/16/2020 23:34 EST

tombalita1 - Follow the money indeed! And The Agenda. Currently, it has been reported, that if you die from a Car Wreck, Drug Overdose, Suicide, Violent Means, anything other than Covid19 - yet you test Positive for having Corona - they put it down as a Covid19 death - even though it was NOT a Covid Death. The person just happened to have it at the time of death. Why is this? 1 - For the money. The US Gov't pays the Hospitals well for each Covid19 death reported, and the Hospitals are really hurting for money. I have heard a number of Doctors report that they are keeping the beds empty for Covid19 patients - not for surgeries nor many other ailments. And many hospitals are sitting empty. Everything is based around the New York Model - while approx. half the Counties in the USA report ZERO Corona infections. I live in Fresno County, Calif. For the last 6 or 7 weeks we only had 7 Covid deaths - recently moved up to 13 - and we have shut down an absolutely huge county for it. And who knows that all of those 13 deaths were actually from Covid19? Fresno County is called "The Bread Basket of The World" - because more food is grown here than in any singular spot on the Planet. We have Ginormous Dairy Farms here. The Dairies have to milk the cows or they will get sick - yet the schools and other institutions that use milk are closed, and the hospitals minimized. 2 - The Agenda - the more the numbers are inflated, the more Fear and therefore CONTROL can be exerted on a willing people. When you have Chinese Made and Loaned "Drones" given to Cities like Elizabeth, NJ and others - where the populations are being "Observed" because "The Cops can't be everywhere!!" it smacks of Big Brother. And as RobertDav will attest, the information gathered by those Drones could be being transmitted to China. The Mayors "Claim" (haha) that no information is gathered or transmitted - but then what's the point of those "Eyes In The Skies" being there? What business does the Government of a Free People (again, haha) have hovering over them, observing their behavior every time they come outside? Waiting to send in their "Thugs" with handcuffs and guns. Sound extreme? No!! It's happened. Things like a mother with two of her children in a playground in California - arrested on the spot! Gimme a F-ing Break!! For our own good? Yet they have some citizens so worked up about it that they physically attack and abuse people that aren't wearing masks on a beach - where the wind can blow the germs out to sea. There was a Dentist here in Calif. who saw 3 or 4 teenage girls (I saw the video). They were standing somewhat near each other (they were not hugging - just close). He starts to yell at them (he was next to his wife - so I guess HE was allowed to be near someone BUT they were not). They told him to mind his own business. Next thing he charges over in a fit of rage and starts TO CHOKE A TEENAGE GIRL!! Literally!! One of the girls was recording video on her cell phone! The girls are all screaming and he's cussing like a sailor. NOW - IF he was SOOOOO interested in them being farther apart in order to save their lives - WHY was he attempting to KILL one of them? Our Constitution is being trampled under foot by our State and National Governments! We have always quarantined the SICK - Not The HEALTHY!! There is a GAME afoot - and it's name is CONTROL !! All I can say is: There is a Snake ready to strike - and he's saying "DON'T TREAD ON ME!"

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/17/2020 11:08 EST

darkfader,
California has had 8,200 cases in the last 3 days. Over 2000 deaths. Only Illinois has had a greater number of increases during that period. I find it difficult to believe they are all fake.

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tombalita1
5/17/2020 11:37 EST

Ace, I didn’t see anyone claim that ALL were fake. Population of California 40 million Illinois 12.5 million. I also think that California benefitted from herd immunity. While Wuhan was locked down domestically, international flights to Los Angeles and San Francisco were bringing thousands until Trumps halt of flights from China on January 31.—-Tom

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/17/2020 12:59 EST

Tom,
I agree Illinois is 4 times worse than California. Based on percentage of deaths against population California is in the middle of the pack. It was an exaggeration, no one claimed all were fake. It's just hard to say "in my town".... Although I tend to agree with Dark, in Fresno county, California they have less than 1% deaths per case. when the National average is over 16%. Something fishy there.

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/17/2020 13:15 EST

Tom,
I'm not really sure. I think early on when everyone was overloaded maybe everything respiratory was assumed Covid 19. I don't think that's happening today. Probably the majority were related somehow. You and Dark may be right regarding finances if something is designated as related to Covid 19.

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TheIslandGeneration
5/18/2020 00:38 EST

ACEPoolPlayer --- is predicting 110,000 deaths by June 1.... CDC predicting 100,000.

I think that it will be over 100k maybe 105k

I only base that on the fact that over the last week the daily numbers have been dropping. This is more likely because of the shutdowns slowing the virus infection down.

My last prediction a few weeks ago was more about anyone along the Mississippi would an increase in infections and death. I'm still sticking with that.

Someone mentioned about the numbers being faked. I believe exactly the opposite. Several deaths are way underreported. Since many people stayed at home complying with orders people also died at home. I know one case extremely close to me where the person did die the only people that showed up were a police officer and then the corner no ambulance. No word on the cause.

And when you think about it people are confused if it's shut down and I'm not supposed to go out but I'm sick and I'm I supposed to go to the hospital? And I've talked to several people even though they have had symptoms do not want to go to the hospital because if they don't have it they feel when they get out they will.

I think what we will see by mid-June or the end of June is a resurgence. As many states are opening up it will just allow people to infect each other and cases and death. Also, people who have a false sense of staying at home made the virus go away.

At the infection rate, this virus has and it's 100 mutations it's not going away. Also one of those changes in its mutation as a talked-about many months ago was that it didn't seem to affect children are the young in China... Very few were pictured. But in New York, they reported younger people in their 20s sometimes up to 40% showing up in the hospital in a day that tested positive. Now we're seeing even younger people even infants being affected although this number still small. The virus seems to have mutated to hit not only older people but younger people as well.

There still is no cure and no agreed-upon treatment. The new medicines coming out in the United States have only shown reductions in the days sick.

What concerns me more is that there's always been this background of people getting sick again. That started in China and Japan reported it and other countries. Now we have what should be a well-studied case of the aircraft carrier in which now 13 sailors have been observed testing positive, staying quarantined, then passing to test that was negative and now have the virus again... 13 that's a lot it's also unlucky.

In a highly controlled group that I'm sure is being very carefully studied in Guam this could mean that immunity is not guaranteed and any vaccine may require multiple vaccinations to get any kind of proper immune response.

The virus has gotten terrible in Brazil, Russia, and the United Kingdom. Brazil's president still seems to think the virus doesn't exist so there is a hot zone that's not gonna go away.

This virus is not going to be stopped anytime soon unless there's a miracle

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LarryKar
5/18/2020 01:37 EST

Island we have differed many times in the past but today you are the voice of reason and truth in a sea of confusion. Well written report.

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tombalita1
5/18/2020 07:08 EST

Island, just a couple of observations. Wondering what those people that died at home had as a reason on their death certificate. After 25 years in the Navy, I can tell you that 5,000 people on a ship is the exact opposite of social distancing. Breathing and talking inches from your shipmates is the norm. I'm surprised that only a few ships have been affected as reported, if that's true.----Tom

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TheIslandGeneration
5/18/2020 14:42 EST

I guess I should also point out the other things that the virus is doing that are bad.

Covid toes.... Strange situation where sores form on the toes... Although not set probably due to blood vessel inflammation because diabetes individuals also have problems with feet and toes due to excess sugar. Keep in mind this virus likes to pick on people with access sugar and highly diabetic

Kawasaki's disease... That's the one that's affecting children again a blood vessel inflammation that can be quite severe.

The loss of taste and smell. Actually they just put out a warning that if you can no longer smell quarantine yourself for Covid because you probably have it.


There is so many variables with this disease it's hard to keep up and you can understand why doctors who only have a short time keeping a track on a patient might miss a lot of these things plus start treating one but then not realize other things are setting in that will kill the patient.

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TheIslandGeneration
5/18/2020 14:45 EST

LarryKar

Thank you for the feedback.... It certainly is a sea of confusion out here. It worries me considerably as I see the US and even European countries opening back up. Because I always think that at some point somewhere there was one person infected that essentially took out the rest of the world. And now we have thousands of people infected that will now be out and about. They all have the potential to infect new people. Let's just say I'm airing on the side of caution but support going back to work safely if that's possible... That's a contradiction but what isn't today?

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coach53
5/18/2020 14:53 EST

TheIsland
"The virus seems to have mutated to hit not only older people but younger people as well."
Haven't younger people got ill the whole time, but mostly just litle as a common flue so many don't even know they got covid? Which I suppouse can confuse the statistics by they don't get tested.

According to the statistics in Sweden many younger get ill too, but few under 50 has died.

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TheIslandGeneration
5/18/2020 14:54 EST

Tombalita1

I understand what you say on the ship with 5,000 people no way to avoid each other. Sleeping quarters alone.... But I'm assuming the Navy as I understood took the crew off the vessel and put them in some form of quarantine I assume more apart from each other. Of course a skeleton crew was left on because it is a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

But with an isolated monitored group of 13 people at first it was six... Who have now come back up positive. That part right there means we may not get rid of this virus for years or if at all. It reminds me that the Chinese were also reporting this but along with that they reported the people that came back in got extremely sick. This could be where the immune system overreacted because it was already somewhat prepared but then went nuts.

Medically it becomes difficult to how you treat this beast and do you really believe someone that comes back and says I think I got it again. Many tester out but it's interesting none of actually been approved for accuracy. Florida just canceled orders for test because the ones they had were only showing 70% accuracy. So we don't really know where we stand

Even with all our advances when you think about it were and not much of different position than 1918 pandemic flu. Essentially back then we had no antibiotics no vaccines. It beat on people for years..... Today we have all the technology but it's alluding us and in the meantime mutating.... And even if it mutates into a less dangerous form we didn't win because we won....

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mootpoint20
5/20/2020 14:47 EST

Now, you are worried about 'mutating'? What medical school did you get your degree in? As to your knowledge of communism , how do you fit all those worries into 'Dialectical-Materialism whose sole goal is the dictatorship of the Proletariat? Or do you believe the communist government in China is a 'nice' form of communism. (Forgive the sarcasm, but just another vet.)

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TheIslandGeneration
5/20/2020 23:07 EST

coach53
you ask "Haven't younger people got ill the whole time" simple answer no. If you go back on this post probably two months ago I was talking about younger people not being affected. Pictures coming out of China from doctors and other people, not the government clearly showed almost no young people in the hospitals. China at that time was pointing out that .02% were under 20. Don't go by what the Chinese government says to go by the social media that slips out photos and videos that typically get cut off the next day you know it's real because they just disappeared.

But when the virus went through your and then jump to New York which was the European mutation version New York stated that 40% of the people showing up at hospitals were in the 20 to 40 range. Most did not evolve into serious cases. But this showed a different side of the virus that even surprised New York hospitals.

It's important to understand that it's extremely difficult for any country to keep any secret because everyone carries around a spy device camera GPS location in different ways to connect. So if you really want to know what's going on you have to catch the first wave before the government starts locking down.

Even now the northern provinces of China have reported a new strain of the virus that's affecting patients in a totally different way than Wuhan. China also reported that the new version in the north is taking people out for many weeks and lasting longer than the Wuhan version.

Now the US we have a number of children getting Kawasaki disease or at least something resembling it that also test positive for coronavirus. This is an inflammation of the blood vessels very similar to the inflammation of the lungs. While this is still rare it's an incredibly dangerous situation.

With the US reopening, it will take about 30 days to 45 days before the full impact of those people mingling.... You'll see the death rate spike into the 3,000 range per day.

It's important to understand that writing off that young people get just the flu response from this is misunderstanding what the virus does. In other words, kids have parents and grandparents. The kids become the messengers of death. Humans will live through it just like they did in the Spanish flu or the plague but the cost will be high.

coach53 Thanks for the question I don't think people realize how the virus has changed to affect younger people as it has moved around the planet.

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TheIslandGeneration
5/20/2020 23:43 EST

mootpoint20 said "Now, you are worried about 'mutating'? What medical school did you get your degree in? " Communicating with you is a moot point I'm beginning to understand. Because you don't listen to logic just try to go on the attack. I'm having a hard time understanding that you're so naïve did you don't understand that viruses mutate. The reason people get a flu shot each year is that viruses mutate. If they didn't you just need one flu shot for your life. And I'm only talking about influenza those of the common viruses that go around the world and usually always started in China anyway. Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, bird flu... I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV....

The right combination came together and this time it's a coronavirus. News alert we've never made a vaccine for coronavirus. You have to also keep in mind the lungs technically have their own immune system and extreme issue that when you think about it it's just a balloon inside your body. Things can live on its surface that the immune system can't get to them which makes it extremely dangerous and difficult to take out an invader. There is no cure for the common cold just what the common cold is a coronavirus.

China has reported 30 different mutations in the United States is reported 100 mutations identified. Why should we all be worried about mutations because mutations mean it's either getting worse or it's getting better. Nothing about this looks like it's better. The current mutations are much more infectious and it's attacking younger people. People on this forum have talked about people that they know dying.... You really don't need a medical degree to understand it'll normally talk about that and almost everyone knows someone who has been sick now or has died. The only game going on here is the one the virus is playing with us were not in charge, were watching from the stands.

It's irrelevant whether I believe China is bad or good. On listening to their people the ones that get punished for saying things. That's where the truth lies.

At the end of the day we need China and China needs us otherwise you spend $5,000 for an iPhone and the dollar store, well it just wouldn't be there anymore would be more like the $10 store.

And I didn't get a medical degree but before Trump even mentioned hydroxychloroquine I posted it appear that was being tested in Australia. Now Trump using it as a prophylactic

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tombalita1
5/21/2020 06:49 EST

Island, What if we don't find a vaccine for Covid-19? Can it eventually be managed or treated alternatively like other diseases without vaccines like HIV/AIDS, malaria and Dengue? Thanks, Tom

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gelynch52ph
5/21/2020 07:29 EST

It is simply dangerous to use hydroxychloroquine to prevent or treat Covid-19. Because Trump has said he supports its use, the supply of it for those who need it to treat rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda has dried up and they can't find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZheb1FydI

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tlallen59
5/21/2020 11:20 EST

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6157823349001?playlist_id=1040983441001#sp=show-clips

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tombalita1
5/21/2020 14:25 EST

gelynch52ph: many helped already by this drug while others study, study, study.. Doctors have been prescribing for a couple of months now. But if Trump said the sky was blue, never Trumpers would say it’s green. Let leave this to doctors and their patients.—-Tom

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mootpoint20
5/21/2020 14:40 EST

Island Generation: Whew! That explains everything.

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coach53
5/21/2020 17:48 EST

TheIsland
"China at that time was pointing out that .02% were under 20. Don't go by what the Chinese government says"
I go by what Swedish official statistics say. Sweden is bad at preventing covid to spread but good at statistics :)
It say under 20yo of the confirmed cases 1,6 % ill, none dead. So the worsening for young people hasn't shown in Sweden (yet).
Age 20 - 49 many ill but much lower percent dead than over 50 have.

"It's important to understand that writing off that young people get just the flu response from this is misunderstanding what the virus does. In other words, kids have parents and grandparents. The kids become the messengers of death."
Yes. Parents to kids are normaly under 50 though so less risk than for grandparents and great grandparents.
Many old in Sweden avoid meeting "volontaringly"
But the officials are idiots thinking an arm length between caretaker and old people in caretaker homes is enough WITHOUT mouth cover!!! >:(

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coach53
5/21/2020 18:07 EST

mootpoint
" (To TheIsland) Now, you are worried about 'mutating'? What medical school did you get your degree in?"
No medical school needed to understand that, just some logic thinking capacity :)

Many medical educated are incompetent anyway :) As for instance the medical "specialists" at the official covid preventing institute in Sweden.
They say THEMSELVES
"Water drops from breath MOSTLY fall within AROUND one meter."
Their conclusion of that is an arm length distance WITHOUT mouth cover is enough safety distance!!!
Even when the old in caretaker homes lay down and the caretaker stand up. So even high exams don't prove any intelligence... :)

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TheIslandGeneration
5/21/2020 21:41 EST

gelynch52ph
I did watch the YouTube video about the news hydroxychloroquine. But even this doctor said it might work we just need clinical trials. Here's the real problem we don't have clinical trial time for anything. So we have to understand that people are desperate. Chloroquine was approved by FDA in 1949 it's never been unapproved never. Millions of people take it around the world for malaria.... And later was adapted for use for lupus and arthritis because of its calming for an immune system such as your immune system attacking your joints and forming arthritis. Like most medicines it has side effects and in higher doses like their giving patients much bigger side effects.

So to come to Trump's aid, to be honest he should've said it's used all over the world by millions of people. And it no time did he speak of the dosage. So is Dr. could've just put them on a malaria level dosage is safe level as he could get to act as a prophylactic. Will this work... You know the strange thing is New York city bought many millions of dosages of Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Australia and China used it. I mean when you don't have anything else to use what's in the bag right. The main reason they're using this is its immune suppressant component there is logic that that could stop someone from going into the more severe stage of the virus is the immune system goes crazy.

As the president should he say it's safe and no problem... Probably not since some people have taken huge amounts of it taking one giant those would solve their trouble.... It did just not the way they expected. Present Trump by not wearing a mask and all his photo shoots every factor he visits once the show that he strong and doesn't need to wear a mask. There's some logic in that if everyone else is wearing a mask right? But he's also concerned enough that he wants to take a prophylactic is not guaranteed to work.

I agree that this medicine did disappear on the marketplace it did affect people who are of arthritis dealing with malaria or lupus. But it's also because states were buying up large quantities in the Indian government shut down their shipping to keep for their citizens. Now we know what's going to happen in any pandemic people will protect their populations and blame everyone else.

Someone comes the COVID 19 it's dangerous to use any medicine because none are approved. If you take the wrong one but it doesn't harm you and then you dive COVID because you selected that wrong one well that sucks. But we don't have his faster ways to collect data to understand what is having of fact quickly without having to go through red tape year-long trials.... It doesn't work in a pandemic.

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TheIslandGeneration
5/21/2020 22:02 EST

coach53
"No medical school needed to understand that, just some logic thinking capacity :)"Many medical educated are incompetent anyway :)

I think it's a bit stupid for all these people on the news to be saying ask your doctor..... Seriously do you think your doctors double the pandemic before. Is he a virologist.

I have two different doctors will use for general stuff. I used to because are both stupid when it comes to treatment of certain things. I've always noticed this is the case throughout the years dealing with doctors. There humans so they have their thoughts their visions. I mean it's 20 called practicing medicine because.... They haven't gotten it right yet. So by doing my research and being on them for the seven minutes I get to torture them I get what I need. Sometimes they want to switch one of my medicines even when I know it's doing fine when I questioned them and say that the salesman just come in and give you a bunch of free samples for something new.... Yes but don't you want to try it?

So a ton of regular doctors have been inundated with something they don't understand. They can test you for the flu... Tell you which one you got maybe give you some Tamiflu study go home get some rest. This one doesn't work that way and if I walked in with Cove that into 10 different hospitals in the United States and can guarantee they all treat me differently. That have different meds that they were trying in a different attitude the way they treated people.

As I've said before the virus is making all the moves were just following. If you're asking some doctor who swamped with patients to read up on the latest developments that's not going to happen. So we all have to be educated it's not a question about whether we have a degree in medicine it's more important to have logic that cuts through the BS. Like coach53 commenting about nursing caretakers don't have wear a mask. When in the United States since caretakers bounce around between nursing homes they probably were one of the main sources of spreading it... That's more likely.

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Earnestndeavor
5/21/2020 22:35 EST

The Island-
Very well written post. I am of the same thinking but could not have expressed it as well as you.

Earnie

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Earnestndeavor
5/21/2020 22:43 EST

The Island-
I was referring to your reply to gel but liked your next post as well. Good research, good reasoning and well written.

Earnie

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Earnestndeavor
5/21/2020 23:06 EST

Tom,
Your delete button has come in handy this morning. Thanks.

Earnie

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tombalita1
5/21/2020 23:42 EST

You’re very welcome Earnie! Tom

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gelynch52ph
5/22/2020 15:13 EST

Nobody has been helped by that drug and a number of people have died from using it. It causes heart attacks in some people and that is why, when given for malaria, it is only given in a hospital.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-linked-to-increased-risk-of-death-in-hospitalized-coronavirus-patients-study-finds

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gelynch52ph
5/22/2020 15:16 EST

Oh yeah, when did tRump get his medical degree since you want to "leave it to the doctors and their patients?"

BTW, here's the name of the thread, so why did YOU introduce politics into it?
"Coronavirus Information & Support (Not Political)"

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gelynch52ph
5/22/2020 15:24 EST

Americans in China were allowed into the US and around 40,000 DID come to the US from China. His "China ban" was only for Chinese and non-Americans who had been to China. If say, a Canadian had been in China, he wouldn't be allowed in the US, but his American wife could.

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tombalita1
5/22/2020 18:52 EST

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409

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tombalita1
5/22/2020 21:40 EST

Oh yeah, when did tRump get his medical degree since you want to "leave it to the doctors and their patients?" BTW, here's the name of the thread, so why did YOU introduce politics into it? "Coronavirus Information & Support (Not Political)"--- In case no one has noticed, this Not Political thread has been Political for quite a while.---Tom

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TheIslandGeneration
5/22/2020 23:56 EST

Earnestndeavor Thanks ..Trying to keep the facts straight

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TheIslandGeneration
5/23/2020 00:53 EST

gelynch52ph
you said "Nobody has been helped by that drug and a number of people have died from using it. It causes heart attacks in some people and that is why, when given for malaria, it is only given in a hospital."

The news is creating a strange narrative like this drug has never been used before and it didn't always have this side effect. Yes it did. The news is also not reporting on how sick these patients or at what stage it was given to them or even what dosage.

Keep in mind that the dosage for malaria is like 200 mg. Yet one study in Brazil that was stopped because he was killing so many people was 12 g and 10 days that is an enormous amount of chloroquine. It wasn't even hydrochloroquine which is a bit safer.

If you giving it to a patient as a last resort and you have to understand the consequences. COVID we know quite clearly causes both lung inflammation and other organs including heart inflammation. If at that point you administer a drug that causes tachycardia.

Trump never mentioned the amount he was taking and the news isn't mentioning the amount that was taken by patients that died from the drug. So from that how can we conclude anything? Again I'll say that the difference between a drug and have poisonous dosage.... Always... Don't take a whole bottle of Tylenol it will kill you.

I think what this does show is the desperation everyone including doctors have. The other thing is that the drug is typically given also with a Z-Pak and antibiotic which can also cause tachycardia. So was it a combination of a patient who already had heart problems severely infected with co-that given last-ditch efforts of an antibiotic and hydrochloroquine that killed the patient? In a nonpandemic world probably several doctors would step back and say wait a minute this doesn't sound exactly like the best treatment but that's not where we're at.

The strange fact is that chloroquine was approved by the FDA in 1949 that was the same year that the United States said they no longer had a malaria problem, it was wiped out. But that was due to DDT which today we wouldn't think of using.

So in the United States I think if you ask your doctor chloroquine you think you'd be using it for lupus or arthritis not malaria. And doctors in the United States do give the drug to lupus and arthritis patients that are not in the hospital.

One other thought that no one's mentioned probably not thought of... But there is chloroquine-resistant malaria. This is well-established. So could not COVID also become resistant chloroquine? This could explain why some reports showed works but then resistance mutations took place. This happens because you kill the virus or slow its development. But mutations that get around that drug attack proliferate. So now you would see cases where the drug would have no effect. Is that what we're seeing?

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ACEPoolPlayer
5/23/2020 13:59 EST

Coach,
Your Swedish experts say "Water drops from breath mostly fall around 1 meter" (Their conclusion is an armlength distance without mouth covering is enough safety distance).


First of all "mostly" is not safe enough!!!
What about sneezing and coughing? Research by scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), who I have more faith in than your Swedish experts say "It's not just the person next to us we should worry about: coughing spreads droplets as far as 6 meters and sneezing as much as 8 meters. These droplets stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes."

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mootpoint20
5/26/2020 15:56 EST

"....We need China!"--no we don't. When I said 'Island' explained everything, I was being snide. He writes an encyclopaedia of data and personal opinion shaped by the self-indulgent American lunacy which believes the rest of the world has our wealth...It doesn't. CCP just shut down all teachers that express a belief in god! Why? There is infighting with their Party. Karl Marx was not a Theologian. He couldn't even pay his own rent. (Always make sure you wash your hands.)

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LarryKar
5/26/2020 18:39 EST

Moot I see that Jounalism degree from Trump University is being put to use. What a word jumble. Chinese Atheists? That went out with Mao. Karl Marx well he doesnt even look Chinese. Oh and Trumpy needs China. Since the Obamagate kind of fizzled on him he needs China. How else will he play " oh look a shiny thing" to distract his dwindling minion troops.

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mootpoint20
5/26/2020 20:37 EST

"A word jumble"??? Marx leaned on Engels to pay his rent. Attacking Christians is a Diversionary tactic. It is CCP way of unifying it's faltering leadership. And it was suspected Karl Marx had Covid-19.

Does that explain my train of thought?

(Always wash your hands)

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TheIslandGeneration
5/26/2020 23:40 EST

Island believes the rest of the world has our wealth? Seriously moot that's crazy. China is the second-largest economy in the world so it's something probably we need to pay attention to.

What I have said before is that anyone here that can look around their house and find the majority of things that didn't come from China, in one form or another to speak up ..... No one ever did because as we all know that's impossible. Moot doesn't realize in his confused world that he's typing on a Chinese keyboard.... that doesn't matter if it's an iPhone or PC.... even if he has a really old IBM keyboard that would be made in Vietnam.

If China didn't matter than moot would be in a room staring at the walls. Past the Thorazine.

Moot said "CCP just shut down all teachers that express a belief in god! " You understand that teachers in America in public schools must also separate church from state. So while you could say America has more freedom it's not absolute or is that the definition of freedom?

As for being an encyclopedia well moot that's where people look up the facts and I'm just pointing out the facts. My opinions are about trends predicting the future.

Americans are not going to go back to making trinkets or assembling iPhones because we're bigger than that.

My personal opinions so far have been highly accurate. So

I think someone up here three fries short of a happy meal.

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surfingcebu
5/27/2020 01:09 EST

Island , one critical assumption you make, that you may want to introspect on is .. . You feel everyone is more or less on board in China. The people live in fear, near starvation, and daily intimidation.

We both now that is self destructive for any regime, no?

China’s thugs are deathly afraid of the citizens of the regime they rule . Rightfully so, given their abuse.
It will end horribly for China in the end I’m afraid ... can’t say ‘ they didn’t have it coming’.

Surf.

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mootpoint20
5/27/2020 11:49 EST

I DO NOT “...HAVE A CHINESE KEYBOARD!”

The Chinese are firing all teachers who are not 'proclaimed' atheists! There's a difference, egg-head. It's like demanding that a bunch of Germans scream, “Heil Hitler!” It frightens the sh!t out of everybody in the room, and in a city! Why? We're offering free transportation of factories to all American companies who LEAVE China. They are scrambling to survive, both economically and inside their CCP. Attacking religion is an obvious irrelevant diversion from their Party power conflicts. No pig sales, as well, so their pigs are multiplying and infectious manure is becoming untenable, and even the Vietnam communists are openly challenging them for their aggression. They don't need the Chinese, either. Appeasing a bully opens the door for slavery. You don't know that?

Island-man, You've been educated beyond your intelligence!

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tombalita1
5/28/2020 09:33 EST

Moot, the CCP crackdown on Hong Kong is looming as they will "absorb" HK. Taiwan is after that. Then, who's next??? ----Tom

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surfingcebu
5/28/2020 10:45 EST

Tom you pose a good question. I suggest the RP is ripe for pickings for the CCP party . they want the west Philippines sea-lanes and a 'Wild West ' unregulated economy with few supportable laws such as the RP . The RP is largely unregulated and is access ( at least for the next 5-10 years ) to western technology and money transfer .

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mootpoint20
5/28/2020 15:25 EST

"...Who's next?" Probably me! I just received a Twitter from Chairman Xi to leave 'ILAND-MAN' alone, or else!"

(By the way, wash your hands!)

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tombalita1
5/28/2020 19:19 EST

moot: As that Swedish guy would say, haha! ---Tom

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Earnestndeavor
5/28/2020 20:45 EST

Moot,
I enjoy your sense of humor.

Maybe he can Xi something we can’t Xi.

I washed my hands and did not touch the front of my mask.

Earnie

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TheIslandGeneration
5/28/2020 22:43 EST

Moot to the point

Of course moot dodged the question about Chinese goods in his house. He gave a snide remark just is expected. Because if he said he didn't he would be a hypocrite. But since he didn't answer it means I beat him in his stupid game. Nothing he says will help any of us medically or help with the massive unemployment and collapse of local governments which is on the horizon. He's just an old man in a corner that kids throw rocks at his house.... That's it.

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mootpoint20
5/29/2020 15:18 EST

How do you know they are rocks?

When a child I used eggs on Halloween.
(Wash your hands!)

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TheIslandGeneration
6/2/2020 01:04 EST

Back on 5/18/2020 in this part of the forum ACEPoolPlayer was predicting 110,000 deaths by June 1.... CDC predicting 100,000. I said over 100k maybe 105k.

Actual numbers today on June 1 - 105,160

ACEPoolPlayer predicted it right the last time I believe on May 15.

What's happening now is overseeing the results of the shutdown. But now two things are happening shutdown is being lifted and looting and riots. These riots in protest will spread the disease at alarming rates. Even though some people are using the mask the shouting and screaming spread the virus. Again we continue to be in the sci-fi.

Now it becomes very hard to predict because there are too many factors but my prediction is that in 30 days to 60 days as the people spread the virus it will consume many more lives. Keep in mind people are letting down their guard. Right now all attention is turned to the riots in the United States and almost no news on the virus.

No new cures no vaccine nothing's changed. The sci-fi movie will have a sequel and it will be pretty. This time the virus is deeply seated throughout every state in community is just waiting to spread now.

So thinking about this in the 40 million people on unemployment that's a challenge. Even New Jersey Gov. announced that they might have lay off 200,000 government workers unless the state gets federal assistance. Add in the riots and you have a huge economic impact that will hit as the virus reinvents itself

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tombalita1
6/2/2020 10:14 EST

Island: congratulations for being the closest prediction. Is there a trophy? Does everyone get a participation trophy? Just wondering. Tom

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mootpoint20
6/2/2020 10:45 EST

Wow! So, Henny Penny is at it again, ranting as he runs down the highway!

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surfingcebu
6/2/2020 12:25 EST

Tom - I predict that ... the lockdowns and the PAL cancelled flights will last until there is no more money to get under the table - then everything will return to normal . :) HA!!!!

I also Predict , that China will take a 5th island in the Spratley's very soon. They went from 2, to 3, to 4... without the UN saying anything , so why not 5 ? HA!! :)

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TheIslandGeneration
6/2/2020 13:24 EST

No trophy just a lot of tombstones

The point of the exercise was to show that two people that are not experts in the field can figure out statistically what's going to happen more accurately than any government official or even giant universities. These groups are actually worse at making predictions than the two of us.

Understanding what will happen next in the economy has encouraged me to start building a website with a that will be an aggregator of unemployed, 40 million, and increasing, in those businesses struggling to restart and only being able to hire a limited amount of people.

I've already run it past Trump's head advisor who's given me a great video shout out endorsement. Along with a handful of celebrities. You see once you understand statistical where things are going you can build things to help people. I'll reach out to the Democrats next so to remain bipartisan as possible. We will wait for the riots to calm down before reaching out to the news media to announce my online service.

While a number of you like to just make stupid snide remarks. I study things, research, and try to figure out when my entrepreneurial capabilities can be best utilized. The time is coming.

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tombalita1
6/2/2020 21:34 EST

Surf, yes so sad. Pinas so predictable. ----Tom

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coach53
6/3/2020 08:50 EST

TheIslandGeneration
"Understanding what will happen next in the economy has encouraged me to start building a website"
:thumbs up:
Hard to predict though, because a huge factor is how much officials will screw up by stupid decisions...
(Compared to your actions I have a mini fight with the Swedish Folkhalsoinstitutet (=Institution for People Health) which handle the recomendations/restrictions the government haven't handled. The idiots recomend only minimum an ARM'S LENGTH distance WITHOUT mouth cover "because tests shows MOSTLY water drops fall within AROUND a meter" !!! (My markings in the quote to make it more clear why they think idiotic.) Of course an arm's length is to short safety distance according to THEIR OWN argument!!! hahaha

"two people that are not experts in the field can figure out statistically what's going to happen more accurately than any government official or even giant universities."
Not suprising because
/government officials are the left overs private companies don't want haha
/universities. Sure they have some bright brains, but without experience from the real world.
(Before covid I had fun at how they think and teach about business decisions. Their thinking is much to simple, real life is much more complicated and need to include more factors to make good decitions. And an other concerning software developing they teach a structuring method, which is impossible to use in real life for biger software productions...)

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getname (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
	Select *
	From Networks
	Where networkID = 90 
GetTopicTitle (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT f.frmid as frmid, frmname, t.tpcname, m.msgtext, t.urlchanged, t.tpcrewriteurl, t.section, t.citynetworkid, t.tpcnamenew, t.summary, t.keywords, m.msgid
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  WHERE f.frmid = 275 
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  AND f.isactive = 1
  
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  AND t.tpcid = m.tpcid
  AND m.msgparent = 0
GetTopicInformation (Datasource=forum, Time=6ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT distinct m.msgid as mid, m.msgid, m.msgtext as msgintro, m.msgparent, m.msghost, m.msgdate, m.msgupdate, m.replylevel, m.userid, u.userid, u.username, t.msgcount-1 as replycount, topicimage, topicimageapproved
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  WHERE m.tpcid = 3441440
  and  t.tpcid = 3441440
  AND m.userid = u.userid
  AND m.msgparent = 0
  AND m.isdeleted <> 1
getcountryphoto (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=22) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
	Select *
	From countryphotos
	Where hpimg <> ''
	and networkid = 90
	order by lastsent ASC
GetTopicInformation (Datasource=forum, Time=6ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT distinct m.msgid as mid, m.msgid, m.msgtext as msgintro, m.msgparent, m.msghost, m.msgdate, m.msgupdate, t.tpcupdate, m.replylevel, m.userid, u.userid, u.username, t.msgcount-1 as replycount, topicimage, topicimageapproved
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  WHERE m.tpcid = 3441440
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  AND m.userid = u.userid
  AND m.msgparent = 0
  AND m.isdeleted <> 1
getcountryphoto (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=22, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navmetaforums_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
	Select *
	From countryphotos
	Where hpimg <> ''
	and networkid = 90
	order by lastsent ASC
checklog (Datasource=stats, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navtop_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
SELECT *
FROM tracking
WHERE ipaddress = '162.158.78.194'
and logtime > "2020-03-04"
and param1 = 'aw'
ORDER BY logtime DESC
checklogother (Datasource=stats, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navtop_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
SELECT *
FROM tracking
WHERE ipaddress = '162.158.78.194'
and logtime > "2020-06-03 00:00:00.000"
and logtime < "2020-06-03 23:59:59.999"
and param1 <> 'aw'
and param1 <> 'awdyn'
ORDER BY logtime DESC
checklogdynamicpre (Datasource=stats, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navtop_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
SELECT *
FROM tracking
WHERE ipaddress = '162.158.78.194'
and logtime > "2020-05-27"
and param1 = 'awdyn'
ORDER BY logtime DESC
contentcheck (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navtop_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
	SELECT *
	From contentcountcountry
	Where networkid = 90 
gettopbanner (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=2, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navleader_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
	Select *
	From banners, bannerPlacement
	WHERE status <> "hold"
	AND position = "eebannercountry"
    and toDate > "2020-06-02"
    and fromDate < "2020-06-03"
    and bannerPlacement.networkid = 90
    and bannerPlacement.bannerid = banners.bannerid
UpdatePageViews (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navleader_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  UPDATE banners
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  WHERE bannerid = 809 
GetNavigator (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/expat/Application.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT catid, allowattach, isreviewed, isprivate, f.frmid as frmid, frmname, frmdesc, frmorder, frmpass, frmnotice, isapproved, f.isclosed as frmclosed, tpcname, tpcid, t.isclosed as tpcclosed, ispoll, isreviewed
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  WHERE f.frmid = 275 
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  AND f.isactive = 1
  
  and f.frmid = t.frmid
GetModerators (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/expat/queries/qry_GetModerators.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT u.userid, u.username, u.userdbname 
  FROM users u, moderators mo
  WHERE u.userid = mo.userid
  AND mo.frmid = 275
  AND u.userdbname = "ee"
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GetCategory (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/expat/queries/qry_GetCategory.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT *
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DesignSet (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/expat/queries/qry_DesignSet.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
  SELECT * FROM designset
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GetFirstMessage (Datasource=forum, Time=6ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/expat/messages_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:55.055
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  AND topics.tpcid = 3441440
  AND forums.frmid = topics.frmid
  AND forums.dbname = "ee"
  AND m.isapproved = 1
  AND m.msgparent = 0
  AND m.isdeleted <> 1
GetMessages (Datasource=forum, Time=14ms, Records=209) in /home/www/html/expat/messages_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
  SELECT distinct m.msgid as mid, m.msgid, m.msgtext, m.msgparent, m.msghost, m.msgdate, m.msgupdate, m.replylevel, m.attachment, m.attachsize, m.updateuser, m.usesmilies, m. usesignature, m.isapproved, m.isdeleted, topics.isclosed, m.tpcid, m.userid, m.dbname, u.userid, u.usericon, u.username, u.useremail, u.userdbname, u.usertitle, u.isactive, u.signature, u.location, u.totalposts, u.userdate, u.allowpm, u.showicq, u.icqnumber, forums.frmid, topics.tpcid, topics.frmid, forums.dbname, m.guestname, m.guestemail, m.report, m.good, m.bad, messageimage, messageimageapproved
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  AND m.userid = u.userid
  AND topics.tpcid = 3441440
    AND m.isdeleted <> 1
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  AND forums.dbname = "ee"
     AND m.msgparent <> 0
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563002
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563002
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
getnatadtopull (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=8) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE placementname = 'natforumtype' 
getreportnetworks (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
	Select *
	From Networks
	Where networkid = 90 
getnatadtype (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE natadtypeid = 3 
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natads.natadid
FROM natads, natadPlacement
WHERE natadPlacement.networkID = 90
and natadPlacement.natadid = natads.natadid
and natforumend > "2020-06-02"
and natforumstart < "2020-06-03"
and natforumstatus = 'live'

and natforumweight = 'high'
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563012
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563012
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563015
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563015
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563039
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563039
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563176
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563176
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
getnatadtopull (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=8) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE placementname = 'natforumtype' 
getreportnetworks (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
	Select *
	From Networks
	Where networkid = 90 
getnatadtype (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE natadtypeid = 3 
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natads.natadid
FROM natads, natadPlacement
WHERE natadPlacement.networkID = 90
and natadPlacement.natadid = natads.natadid
and natforumend > "2020-06-02"
and natforumstart < "2020-06-03"
and natforumstatus = 'live'

and natforumweight = 'high'
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natadid
FROM natads 
WHERE natadid = 1 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563186
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563186
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and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563213
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563213
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563234
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563234
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563257
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 563257
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563277
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563277
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563304
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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WHERE voteid = 563304
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT vote
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getclasscheck (Datasource=tipripper, Time=25ms, Records=4) in /home/www/html/navrightmidcolumn_rdesign5.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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checklivingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=6ms, Records=3) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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         and networkid = 90 
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
		Select summary, hiimg 
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gettaxgeneral2 (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=3) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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getreportarticle (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
	Select *
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getnameforarticle (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
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getrptarticlephotos (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 15:04:56.056
SELECT  hiimg
FROM rptarticles
where rptarticleID = 21
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