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PlayGuild
11/1/2018 15:57 EST

Thinking of retiring in Portugal. A few questions:
I am visiting next year. What section of Lisbon should I focus on?
Other coast cities to think about? Not the tourist south.

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Lucaluca
11/2/2018 02:26 EST

Me too.

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Lucaluca
11/2/2018 02:26 EST

Me too

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11/2/2018 02:26 EST

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11/2/2018 02:26 EST

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realspear
11/2/2018 04:15 EST

This is the kind of question that, at best, will get responses that promote their own neighborhood. Without qualification, it's like asking "What car should I buy?"

You need to give some parameters on what matters. First, why do you want to move to Portugal? That might give some indicators on what areas to live in. Then, what's the budget? Do you care if there are a lot of tourists in your neighborhood? Do you want easy access to public transportation? Will you need parking? Do you like suburban areas? Apartment or house? Family neighborhood?

Once you give some idea of what you want, it's possible to give some useful responses.

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MrBife
11/2/2018 05:34 EST

Lisbon is not a huge city - the historic centre has the most character but of the 20m tourists that visit Portugal each year - more than half of then (12 million) stay in Lisbon. Tourism there is year round and not just for ten weeks as in 'the south' which you should also look at and not write off as both in and out of the short summer season it has incredible facilities. Your preference of where to live depends on your personal interests. Porto and Faro are both portals with cheap travel to other European cities, Coimbra gives you Atlantic coast activities. Elvas and Evora put you in an amazing history rich area if you are interested in the peninsular wars, archaeology or roman times.

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PlayGuild
11/2/2018 13:09 EST

Thank you for your insight. Having never done this before I was skeptical about talking too much about me. I have been playing acoustic guitar for 50 years and write my own music. It ranges from Greatful dead to Bob Dylan to Cat Stevens to Johnny Cash in style. I want to play on the streets. Maybe a coffee house if they want me.Don't need the money. Just like to play. Also play golf. I want to spend my retirment years doing what I love to do. Good wine and food, friends to hang with, no winter. Enjoy history. . Love to walk. Want to give up my career life of analysis, numbers, and pressure. Like the coast. I am spending 3 days in Porto and 3 in LIsbon next summer after a river cruise.. Staying in a hotel along the shore In Lisbon. There is my story.

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craigandmicki
11/2/2018 14:55 EST

to PlayGuild: you can't imagine how many musicians, pros and amateurs, come here and join up to jam. Lots of small bars and even cafes would love to have you play for guests You'd at least get some good drinks and maybe dinner, plus we always tip the performers. You could reach Jose Maria, in Cascais, to learn what he's doing with some other guys. Jose is on Facebook.

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revshep
11/2/2018 15:06 EST

That's exciting news - we visited Cascais and Jose was very helpful. Our move there is now in process, hoping for late spring. Great to know about this music venue - thanks!

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Luned
11/2/2018 15:12 EST

Hi PlayGuild,
I, too am thinking of retiring in Portugal, and am not yet sure where. May I suggest spending more than 6 days if you possibly can? I spent two months in the Alentejo, Lisbon, and Evora, and am still not sure where to go permanently.

I have a limited retirement income. I can only spend 1600US a month. I am hoping I can afford to live in Porto. Any Porto people out there with advice on cost of living?

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saudade
11/5/2018 14:21 EST

Anybody here been to Livraria Lello in Porto?

That has to be the most beautiful bookstore anywhere.

But I've only seen pictures........

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saudade
11/5/2018 14:24 EST

I've always wondered about the North.

I have always been impressed how Celtic the north of Portugal appears.

Celtic crosses with the circle, on the churches. Bagpipes, etc.......

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saudade
11/5/2018 14:24 EST

I've always wondered about the North.

I have always been impressed how Celtic the north of Portugal appears.

Celtic crosses with the circle, on the churches. Bagpipes, etc.......

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ESprotte59
11/5/2018 14:29 EST

Yes we visited the bookstore, you have to first buy tickets, then stand in line for up to 30 minutes to get in and then be prepared to be bumped into continuously by other tourists while you are there... but hey they are making a ton of money!

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saudade
11/5/2018 16:18 EST

I didn't know that. They charge admission, how 'bout that.........

Well, now I gotta know. Apart from that, how was it, as a bookstore?

Good selection?

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ESprotte59
11/5/2018 17:00 EST

Yes...mostly PT language.

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dancebert
11/5/2018 22:14 EST

I visited during the off-season. The number of people allowed in at any time was limited so the bumping wasn't bad. If I ever return it will be in Jan or Feb when tourists should be few and far between.

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getnatadtopull (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=8) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE placementname = 'natforumtype' 
getreportnetworks (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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getnatadtype (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE natadtypeid = 3 
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natads.natadid
FROM natads, natadPlacement
WHERE natadPlacement.networkID = 92
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and natforumstart < "2020-05-30"
and natforumstatus = 'live'

and (natforumweight = 'medium' or natforumweight = 'high')
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natadid
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501589
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501589
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501636
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501636
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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FROM votes
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and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501659
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and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
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and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 501662
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 502003
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 502024
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 502024
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
getclasscheck (Datasource=tipripper, Time=25ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navrightmidcolumn_rdesign5.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
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	AND "2020-05-30" < allreports.enddate
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	ORDER BY answerid DESC
checkculturefeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
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         and networkid = 92 
         and city <> ''
     and date > '2013-04-01'
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
		Select summary, hiimg 
		FROM answers
         where answerid = 73274
         and summary <> ''
checklivingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=3) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
         where rid = 58
           and city <> ''
      
         and networkid = 92 
        and date > '2013-04-01'
		order by date DESC
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
		Select summary, hiimg 
		FROM answers
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         and summary <> ''
gettaxgeneral2 (Datasource=expert, Time=7ms, Records=3) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
	Select title, hitopic, hidescript, author, articles.articleID, hiimg, summary, authorurl, hpimg
	From articles, articlePlacement
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	and hidescript <> ''
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    and articles.topic <> 'Weekly Quizzes'
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    ORDER by articles.articleID asc   
    
checkrptarticles (Datasource=reports, Time=5ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
		Select *
		FROM rptarticles, rptarticlenetworks
         where rptarticles.rptarticleID = rptarticlenetworks.rptarticleID
       and rptarticles.publishdate < "2020-05-30"
     
         and rptarticlenetworks.networkid = 92 
    ORDER by rptarticles.rptarticleID asc   
    
getreportarticle (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
	Select *
	From rptarticles, rptarticlenetworks
	Where rptarticles.rptarticleID = 30
	and rptarticlenetworks.rptarticleID = rptarticles.rptarticleID
getnameforarticle (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
	Select networkname, forumLink, frmid, networktype, isCity, hot, networkID, usekeywords, metatitle, shortname, shortnamecap
	From Networks
	Where networkID = 92 
getrptarticlephotos (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 05:36:51.051
SELECT  hiimg
FROM rptarticles
where rptarticleID = 30
and hiimg <> ''


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