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Z16
3/20/2019 21:26 EST

I just got my second rejection letter by the FBI channeling background check, due to poor quality of the fingerprints, I always been plagued by delicate skin and faint fingerprints, but now it's becoming an impediment to getting my visa to Portugal, I called the FBI and they said I should talk to the consulate of San Francisco, maybe they can ordered another type of background check. I already spend $100 with the channeling office, I don't think I'm the only one with this problem, please does anyone had this problem before? I don't know what to do at this point, my appointment is in May 3 in San Francisco.

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pnimud
3/20/2019 22:25 EST

This only has a glancing touch with your issue . . . we just went thru an adoption in Oklahoma. I tried get my fingerprints taken at the local sheriff's office (and jail) but they were rejected 3 times. This was a prelude to sending them to the FBI for full clearance that I wasn't dangerous criminal. I was instructed to drive to OKC (3 1/2 hrs away) to get them taken at the OKCBI (yes, the OK Central Bureau of etc). They had newer/better equipment, my prints passed and the adoption application sailed thru after that. My problem, according to first print taker, was that I had worked for may years with chemicals which have a tendency to blur the spirals. Try asking them if there is another place where you can have your prints taken.

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Aranthama
3/21/2019 02:32 EST

I had been rejected multiple times, perhaps due to age and worn fingers, but most likely due to poor quality of fingerprints taken twice at UPS store, where they used too much ink. I finally was approved by the FBI with finger prints taken by a local police department - check to find one that uses cards. Due to wear of my fingers, I could not use the electronic print scanning machines, so had to have my prints made manually on the standard finger print cards. Lastly, make sure you are using an approved FBI channeler who will have the FBI provide you with a hard copy of their letter. SF and other consulates will not accept an e-copy of this letter.

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Aranthama
3/21/2019 02:45 EST

Forgot to add that I used National Background Check, Inc. in Westerville, OH, ph: 877-932-2435, www.nationalbackgroundcheck.com,
contatus@nationalbackgroundcheck.com

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dancebert
3/21/2019 06:36 EST

I was concerned about my too smooth finger tips, so I googled and googled some more for tips. Here is what I found. It worked for me.

Download and print the official FBI fingerprint form FD-258. Use white matte cardstock of the type used for business cards.

Plump up the volumn of your finger ridges with hand lotion. Most effective are those where the second ingerdient is glycerin (1st is always water). Corn Huskers Lotion is inexpensive and easy to find. For # of days before being printed, apply # of times a day. I saw rapid results from about a week of 2 a day applications, with the second done before going to bed. YMMV. Some suggest on the night before being printed, apply lotion liberally then wear gloves while sleeping.

In law enforcement and other situations they don't have time to wait for your finger ridges to plump up. They use chemical ridge enhancers such as Ridge Builder Lotion and I.D. Enhancer Spray. I brought some to my fingerprinting session. Didn't needed it, but I'd rather have it and not need it than the other way around. Shop online:
https://www.shopevident.com/category/fingerprinting-supplies/ridge-builder-lotion-4-oz
https://www.shopevident.com/category/fingerprinting-supplies/id-enhancer-spray

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Z16
3/21/2019 11:37 EST

thank you dancebert, I'm ordering the spray and looking for the lotion, I used the FBI channeling Background check in Westerville, OH, I sent the first time from a liveScan office the second time the Sheriff office with 2 cards and ink prints, still rejected and each time they charged $50, my house is alredy for sell and yesterday I got an offer, I just very upset at this point. Thanks for your help.

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microbrain
3/21/2019 13:49 EST

Go to a fingerprinting location that has live scan service and can print a printed version.

Here is one:

https://www.notaryphotolivescanshipping.com/Fingerprinting

It cost me $30.

They can check the quality of the fingerprints as they take them on the computer screen and can redo any of the prints That don’t meet standards right then and there. They had to redo a number of my fingers to get them to all be of acceptable quality.

Then when they are done they print out a copy on the official form that you can mail to the FBI, using a special printer for that purpose.

Channelers have been rendered obsolete by the new service on the FBI’s website that allows you to request your background check online by web form. First you fill out the web form and pay your $18 online. Be sure to request a printed copy of the report be mailed to you when you order your report. Then follow the instructions and print out the email they send you along with your fingerprints to the FBI .

Within less than a week I got my reports available for download online. The printed official report arrived by mail a week later. Here is the info to use the FBI’s order form.:

Step 1: Go to https://www.edo.cjis.gov

Step 2: Follow the steps under the “Obtaining Your Identity History Summary” section.

If you submit a request electronically directly to the FBI, you will receive a response electronically and an option to receive a response by First-Class Mail via the U.S. Postal Service.

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pipefitter208
3/21/2019 15:46 EST

micro, my issue is i hve to go through DC . I live in florida DC has jurisdicion here can't find your facility here.
thanks will keep looking

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Z16
3/21/2019 17:45 EST

Thanks everyone for the advices. I will try call the FBI again and use the webside that microbrain sent me. I hope I will get better luck with them. Z.

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missymess
3/23/2019 09:03 EST

I know channellers are not really needed now with the FBI's new system, but this is what we found. The nearest place for digital fingerprints is also a channeller. They charge $50 per person to take fingerprints and process FBI application (channel). At some of their locations (not the one nearest to us) they will do fingerprints only for $35 and give you the hard copy to send to FBI. That plus the FBI $18 is $53. Our local sheriff's department also charges $35 and it is an ink print. So really it makes more sense to use their channeling service as if the prints are rejected they will reprint once for free. Oh and a mailing cost of $5 USPS regular/$35 2 day/$75 next day for return of the certificate. Those are per person costs. This was the same company mentioned with headquarters in Westerville OH. They have locations in other states. They go by Fast Fingerprints in Oh but the corporate name they are on the approved FBI list with is National Background Check Inc.

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revshep
3/23/2019 12:40 EST

Here in Clark County (Henderson,NV) we paid the local police $10 fee, sent off to FBI and in a couple of weeks got our reports back. My prints were iffy too but FBI accepted them, even sent me a very nice email. My husband sent his to the feds to be apostiled, als easy. One of the easiest parts of the whole process.

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revshep
3/23/2019 12:40 EST

Here in Clark County (Henderson,NV) we paid the local police $10 fee, sent off to FBI and in a couple of weeks got our reports back. My prints were iffy too but FBI accepted them, even sent me a very nice email. My husband sent his to the feds to be apostiled, als easy. One of the easiest parts of the whole process.

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revshep
3/23/2019 12:40 EST

Here in Clark County (Henderson,NV) we paid the local police $10 fee, sent off to FBI and in a couple of weeks got our reports back. My prints were iffy too but FBI accepted them, even sent me a very nice email. My husband sent his to the feds to be apostiled, als easy. One of the easiest parts of the whole process.

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pipefitter208
3/24/2019 21:54 EST

Dancebert
are you suggesting we print out form FD-258 take that with us when we get finger printed just curious this is my first finger print session is this considered electronic print or ink.
thanks

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microbrain
3/25/2019 01:23 EST

Pipefitter208–you might do a search for "LiveScan fingerprinting” in your area and see if you can find a location (usually at a notary and shipping type service).

Then ask if they have the capability to print the electronic fingerprints to hardcopy for submitting to FBI. That should at least get you a set of prints the FBI will accept.

Good luck!

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dancebert
3/25/2019 03:37 EST

@pipefitter208

Oops. I wrote from my experience, which was living in a country where if you wanted prints on the FD-258 form, you had to bring your own. That said, I'm enough of a cynic that for being printed at a police station in the US, I'd bring them. Not because they're the police, but because they have to operate within their budget. Printing the form on ordinary copier paper costs them less.

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Aranthama
3/25/2019 03:54 EST

Having had my fingerprints done at several police stations, I can confirm that - at least in these two situations - they used the standard FBI form, which I then submitted to the FBI channeler.

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pipefitter208
3/25/2019 20:38 EST

dancebert,
thanks for the clarification will take a copy with me to be on the safe side.
thanks PF

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pipefitter208
3/28/2019 12:12 EST

i have another issue. I contacted live scan they said i need an ORI # that supposedly has to come from the establishment wanting the background check is this correct any input is welcome.
thanks PF

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craigandmicki
3/28/2019 13:06 EST

Pipefitter208: There are two types of background check...for purposes of employment (needing an ORI#, as usually it's ordered by the employer) and for a visa application. I'm not on the FBI site right now so I can't tell you what exact steps to take, but you need to select the reason for the background check as being related to a visa. Or reply to the (email?) from LiveScan that you're applying for a visa, not a job clearance.

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pipefitter208
3/28/2019 21:49 EST

CRAIGANMICKI
i went to 2 live scan facility tried to explain it was for visa they wouldn't finger print me with out ori said i needed to get ori from consulate so i went to local sherriff got finger printed took finger print card and mailed the confirmation and receipt to FBI
THANKS for everyone help
pfI

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missymess
3/28/2019 22:38 EST

It's very frustrating when the people who should know -- don't.

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Luned
4/2/2019 17:38 EST

I almost got my fingerprints rejected (they were hard to read). The channeler told me if they were rejected to use lotion multiple times every day and drink a lot of water for two weeks before coming in if I had to redo them.

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Z16
4/2/2019 20:31 EST

Well, today, got my 3rd rejection letter from the FBI, I tried the lotion, the spray, the FBI channeler, I went to the sheriff department and they help as much they could, at the end and nothing worked. I'm not sure what to do next, my appointment for the visa is on May 3rd and my house is in escrow. Does anybody have any more ideas about what can I do at this point? Thanks. Z.

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Luned
4/2/2019 20:38 EST

Did you try also drinking a lot of water to soften the skin internally?

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Luned
4/2/2019 20:42 EST

Also, I don't know if you already have this info, but I have never gotten anyone to answer the phone at the SF consulate.

This person, though, has answered my emails quite quickly. I suggest contacting him and telling him what's going on with your fingerprints.


Venceslau Ávila Silveira venceslau.silveira@mne.pt

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Z16
4/2/2019 20:52 EST

I will send him an email. Thank you so much!

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Elegantutility
5/3/2019 11:39 EST

Hello, thank you for all details you posted!
Do you know for how long in advance I can order the criminal report from FBI for the consulate?
Meaning, is it an expiration day :)
I was thinking to order the record in advance, perhaps 3-4 month ahead of my submission of docs to the consulate.

Thank you

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craigandmicki
5/3/2019 12:25 EST

To Elegantutility: The FBI report is valid for 6 months. The consulate can take 60-90 days to approve your application and that time counts against the 6 months. Maybe getting it 30-40 days before your planned application date is better.

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