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Can an Atestado be too old for SEF?

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dancebert
6/15/2019 06:28 EST

As the clerk handed me the Atestado she said it expires in 30 days. What?! She didn't speak English, and I know better than to argue with employees of any government, so I'm asking online. After almost 2 years of reading the details of acquiring residence in Portugal, I've seen nothing about an Atestado having a valid period or an expiration date. The Atestado text says nothing about either one.

Two questions. Have you ever heard of an Atestado valid period / expiration date? Have you experienced or heard of a SEF official rejecting an Atestado because it was issued too long ago? I ask because my appointment for a temporary residence permit is in a few weeks.

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craigandmicki
6/15/2019 09:00 EST

To 'dancebert': Absolutely, the atestado must be used, when being used for SEF, within 30 days. Believe that this is mentioned in the articles here.

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dancebert
6/15/2019 11:08 EST

Are you sure about your use of 'Absolutley'? Seems to me its use could be determined by local SEF offices or their employees for the following reasons. A site search on the 3 words 'Atestado 30 days' returns only this post. The Atestado is not on the official list of required documents. The Atestado is not mentioned in the latest version of 'Portugal Residence Permit: Título de Residência How to get yours and how to renew it' by Susan Korthase, found on FB. Searching the 2 American expat in Portugal FB groups for '30 days Atestado' turned up 2 hits. Found many more posts saying the document was not needed or requested.

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GeoffK
6/15/2019 11:45 EST

For renewal of the Residency Permit SEF will want proof of address.
I don't know the answer to whether an Atestado has an expiry but it stands to reason SEF would want a proof that is relatively current.
My landlord issues me with formal receipts for rent each month showing he has reported rent to the tax authority.
I have a renewal appointment in August (for a permit that expired in March). I expect SEF will accept the landlords receipts as proof of my address.

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craigandmicki
6/15/2019 13:54 EST

An atestado of residence is only needed for an SEF appointment when you change address...if the address used for the initial visa or the address used to get your residence permit has changed, you will need an atestado and it is good for only 30 days. The atestado used for receiving a shipment of goods doesn't expire until the goods are received 'in the typical case'. Atestados are issued by your respective Junta de Freguisia with proof of address, such as rental or purchase contract plus a utility bill, bank statement or other similar additional proof of address (or two neighbors accompanying you and testifying to your address). Always be certain that the name on your passport and visa and permit and all these accounts is the same...it's Daniel Franklin Seebert, not Dan F Seebert on one thing and Daniel Seebert on another.

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CatherineOKC
6/15/2019 14:06 EST

My appointment with SEF is this week and my lawyer said the original lease, along with the receipts of the monthly payments. From what he said that would be the same thing for the 1 year renewal as well.

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dancebert
7/3/2019 07:35 EST

Got my temporary residence permit. I went prepared with multiple proofs of accomidation: 1) Lease, 2) Atestados, one from last Oct, one from last month, 3) Finanças forms Imposto do Selo Comunicação de Contratos Arrendamento (Stamp* duty Communication of lease agreements), one from last Oct and one downloaded last week, and 4) Rent receipts downloaded from Finanças for the 4 months I've been here.

When the clerk asked for documents, I gave her the lease and the older Finanças form (#3). Didn't say I had any thing else, she didn't ask. Why bring 2 versions of the same documents? Easy. I wanted to see if their age mattered. Had she asked for either one of them, I would have first offered the older one.

*Stamp duty is a tax on documents. Neither #3 form was stamped. Only references to a physically stamped document in Portugal I've found was for customs duty, VAT refunds, and on transit logs of yachts.

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