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Ella73
6/23/2019 16:01 EST

We are going to buy a property in Portugal and will be renting it out for a few years with a plan to move there in in a several years.

We will be blocking out several weeks in the year off peak for a holiday for ourselves. My husband does not want to tell friends or faimly only our own immediate family as he feels with a large faimly/friends he feels we will constantly get requests to stay either at a discount or for free. Our finances are tight and we will need any rental income if we can get it.

Has anyone any advice on how they managed this. My plan was to say that when we go over ourselves, anyone is welcome to come as we will have a 3 bed apartment, I would like for faimly and friends to enjoy it as well but my husband thinks we should say nothing to anyone as he said everyone will want peak season at discounts prices etc or we will always have someone bunking in on our hoilday ??

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GeoffK
6/24/2019 02:32 EST

I would let everyone know at the outset what the deal is and what will be expected of anyone wanting to visit. If that puts noses out of joint it will be worse if you are devious about it and are inevitably found out.

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craigandmicki
6/24/2019 05:03 EST

Agree with GeoffK. Keeping this home a 'secret' will become a heavy burden and divisive. As GeoffK says, make the rules and stick by them...perhaps let your F&F know that, by Portuguese regulations for AL (rentals) there are tax implications so you need to set a rate, can offer 10% off to F&F but that's all. But don't keep it a secret.

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dancebert
6/24/2019 06:25 EST

>I would let everyone know at the outset what the deal is and what will be expected of anyone wanting to visit.

Agreed. Should they attempt to argue or persuade, the best technique to put an end to both is to say "I'm sorry, but we can't help you.", repeated until they give up or you have to say "I'm sorry, but I/we must go now", then disengage.

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Bemadam
6/25/2019 08:26 EST

Sounds complicated. If you don't live in Portugal, and you plan to rent it out short-term, do you plan on having someone do check-ins and check-outs, changing linen and doing the cleaning? This is a lot of work and from other people's experiences, you usually get one-night stays, so the costs will be higher as they will be incurred more frequently than if you can find renters for a full week.

Note that paying for these additional services will deeply bite into your rental income, and in some cases, you can lose half of your income to these costs. Then there's Portuguese income tax to pay, and an annual tax declaration to be done. Also, how can you be sure that the person or company you employ to do these tasks are reliable and will unfailingly respect the contract?

Have you considered just how complicated things are if you do a short-term let, keeping the property for yourself for just a few weeks, if you don't live in Portugal?

The above concerns would be my biggest worry, not the fact you don't want friends and family asking to stay for free or at a deep discount.

I'd also mention there's a ton of competition for short stay accommodation, and initially you'll have to start with a low tarif until you build up your customer base.

I think you have a lot of thinking to do. Good luck in any case.

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Wallvestor
6/25/2019 08:45 EST

For me, the memories created with those F&F would be more valuable than missing out on a few Euro. Plus, people will say they will come to visit, but how many will actually do it?

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