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JephreyScott
7/1/2019 19:20 EST

Are you for real? Brazil didn't even make the top 20 best places to retire or live. You must be in a secure place because the crime rate is soaring...you must not be reading "alternative news" In fact a lot of Brazilians are moving to Portugal to get away from the crime and the living conditions. Stay safe...

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realspear
7/2/2019 03:21 EST

Brazilians are pouring into Portugal. Many are so desperate to leave they try to enter without proper visas and get sent back. And more and more wealthy Brazilians are here.

One thing I don't understand is why people who don't like somewhere troll forums for people trying to get good information about going to that place.

USadventurer
7/5/2019 09:00 EST

I am a single, male, retired American expat who moved to Portugal last October, and on the whole I VERY happy with my decision. I live right in Lisbon, in Campolide, and I find it safe. Also the food, wine, and health care is much less expensive than the United States. Yes, the bureacracy can be a bit mind-blowing at times, but no place is perfect. The weather is a nice Mediterranean climate ( rainy in winter, slick on cobblestone streets :-) and the people try to accommodate to English speakers, though they do appreciate efforts to speak European Portuguese. I have never lived or visited Brazil (have friends there), but I hear that the crime is much more than Portugal. That is my opinion. I, like you, was single and trying to explore all this on my own. I did an exploratory trip in Nov 2017 to Barcelona, Valencia, Torremolinos in Spain - then Porto and Lisbon in Portugal. And I chose Lisbon.

Dijon7
7/5/2019 10:56 EST

My wife and I are US citizens who have been living in Portugal since October 2018 and we LOVE it here. We have found the Portuguese to be very friendly, some of the most friendly in the 40+ countries I've been to. There is a wonderful charm here. I'm a bit confused as to why someone would be trying to tell someone else where they should and should not live. Perhaps his first name explains it? I'm in the Algarve rather than Lisbon, but I'm sure someone will answer you from there.

realspear
7/5/2019 14:16 EST

>>I'm a bit confused as to why someone would be trying to tell someone else where they should and should not live.<<

Exactly.

It's like on a car forum when someone says I'm considering the Mazda CX-7 and someone comes along and says "The Honda Fit is cheaper and comes in more colors. I don't know why anyone would want a CX-7."

If someone asks for information about Portugal, that is not an invitation to provide information about other countries. Plenty of people could respond similarly and talk about how they like France, Indonesia, Australia, etc. But this isn't the place for that.

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tmac100
7/6/2019 06:46 EST

Everyone has a bias, and a story to tell - that includes CWT, myself, and others.

We all have opinions and belly-buttons.

When advice is given, sometimes it is quite sincere, and sometimes it is troll-stuff. You need to wonder why the troll-stuff is posted if there is such anamosity towards Portugal. Only the Portuguese are entitled to live in PT and no one else.

Look beyond saving money. Look at the benefits and frustrations of living in PT. Fussing about it won't make things better for you.

Spend some time here - if you can afford the time/loss of income. Live among the locals and you will see what fits you. Rent in different places if you can. Keep away from malcontent expats and mingle with locals.

This is my opinion FWIW. I am here for a month learning "some Portuguese" and will retire here in 1 to 3 years. Will keep speaking in my work-country using iTalki.
Your call is your call ??

dancebert
7/6/2019 06:57 EST

>>I'm a bit confused as to why someone would be trying to tell someone else where they should and should not live.<<

realspear nailed it with his answer. However, if the poster was disingenuous he was trolling for responses.

realspear
7/6/2019 10:40 EST

>>Only the Portuguese are entitled to live in PT and no one else.<<

This is not true. It is explicit in the Portuguese constitution that there are others entitled to live in Portugal. Even if you are here for just a month, you should make an effort to understand the laws of the country.

Daro1950
7/6/2019 11:42 EST

Wow!

It sounds to me as though you have some serious issues to deal with. Sorry if you have had some difficult experiences.

We all deserve to be happy. Our choices as to where we decide to live have a great deal to do with that. There are those who really have little choice, I am grateful that I have options.. It appears that you had them as well.

I wish you luck, regardless of your choice. Please allow those of us who choose Portugal or anywhere else for that matter the same respect for our life decisions. They are ours alone.

Only the best for you.

GeoffK
7/6/2019 12:07 EST

Just read the whole thread. I can't work out why you post here, especially when you have such a great life in Brazil.
As for your first post, it is hard to believe the Portuguese would not be really happy to have you living here.

GeoffK
7/6/2019 12:08 EST

Just read the whole thread. I can't work out why you post here, especially when you have such a great life in Brazil.
As for your first post, it is hard to believe the Portuguese would not be really happy to have you living here.

realspear
7/6/2019 12:52 EST

I think we just found out why cwt prefers Brazil to Portugal, especially given the current president of Brazil.

Dijon7
7/6/2019 15:49 EST

This person CWT in my opinion has to be a Russian troll, who gets paid to stir up trouble and bring hatred and animosity between historical friends and allies. I lived in Russia for 15 years. There are buildings full of these people who get paid by the Russian government to disseminate hatred and malice. I can usually smell them a mile away. This one took a little longer. Anyway, don't pay any attention. Not worth anyone's time to do so.

GeoffK
7/6/2019 16:06 EST

You may well be correct. I am done with him.

GeoffK
7/6/2019 16:06 EST

You may well be correct. I am done with him.

tmac100
7/6/2019 16:42 EST

My comment refered to the legal concept of "The Right of Abode". The Portuguese have that legal right because of their Portuguese citizenship.

Others make immigrstion lawyers rich ... FWIW, I can visit the USA or Australia for several months at a time, but I cannot live in either country for the rest of my life ... no right of abode there - only for Canada.

Similarly, no Canadian immigration official can turn me away from entering Canada - at least one attempted to, but his Superintendent put an end to that!

JephreyScott
7/6/2019 17:34 EST

CWT, The fact that you called me out definitely tells all of us on here that you are TROLLING. You must have looked me up. Yes, I’m gay and sorry to disappoint you but, I have no issues... my life is really good, sorry that yours is not. Your distain for Portugal comes through loud and clear. Find peace, be kind.

realspear
7/7/2019 07:28 EST

>>My comment refered to the legal concept of "The Right of Abode". The Portuguese have that legal right because of their Portuguese citizenship.
Others make immigrstion lawyers rich ..<<

Just to make sure people get the correct information:

1. EU citizens can come and go as long as they register their residence. There is a "time out" requirement, info below.

2. Holders of Golden Visas can come and go as much as they like with no "time out" requirement. They must spend at least two weeks a year in Portugal to keep their status.

3. Non-EU citizens holding residence permits can come and go as they please. There is a "time out" requirement.

The "time out" requirement specifies a maximum amount of time one can be outside of Portugal *without informing SEF.* If one informs SEF and explains why they are not living in Portugal full-time, it is likely they can maintain their status. It's worth noting that time in other EU countries is probably not going to be tracked as there is no border control for driving and for most flights.

It is not necessary to use a lawyer for the residency visa or residence permits. I've done all three without hiring a lawyer for the process. I did use a lawyer to get my NIF (very inexpensive), which I should have done on my last trip to Portugal before moving.

Resident non-citizens can be deported for major crimes or being in prison for over a year but I doubt anyone on this forum is going to be in Portuguese prison. In a national emergency, non-citizens can be blocked from entering but I don't think there's been one in Portugal since the Revolution.

So basically, without "making an immigration lawyer rich," it is possible to live in Portugal as a non-citizen and come and go as one pleases.

GeoffK
7/7/2019 10:51 EST

Good post.

GeoffK
7/7/2019 10:51 EST

Good post.

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