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dumluk
  8/1/2016 13:04 EST

I dont know if the forum allows copy and pasted article or not, but Im gonna try. Just read this on fusion.net and its very interesting. What do you folks think about this subject? http://fusion.net/story/331897/why-we-should-care-that-nicaragua-is-becoming-a-dictatorship-again/

iguanalover
  8/1/2016 13:58 EST

Nicaragua has been good to us. We don't have any complaints and although we follow the local news, we stay out of politics. It is a relief compared to what is happening in our country. Tim Rogers is not well respected in the circles in which we travel. My understanding is that he lives in Miami. We can't remember hearing him say much positive about Nicaragua. His newspaper was not well received and is now gone, I believe.

Nicaragua is booming and currently enjoying a lively cultural rebirth. The Nicas we interact with are not worried and the young college students we work with seem very engaged and working toward a glowing future.

We are starting to like a one party system. Things get done. The two party system in our country can only be called a joke at best and something much more negative at worst. I think Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave at that. At any rate, the political situation doesn't seem to affect us much. We think the government is much more interested in the economic benefits of strong commerce which is one of the things people like us bring into the country. We think the US should stay out of other countries business.

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elduendegrande
  8/1/2016 14:26 EST

The dictatorship is at the honeymoon stage. (Mussolini drained the swamps and made the trains run on time, etc.).

Mind your own business and play dumb. If it turns bad you can probably leave.

Yes, I do wonder about the people who are moving down here and investing big bucks on McMansions, but life is full of risks and everybody needs a hobby and a little excitement in their lives.

I suspect eventually China will but the Sandino franchise, and the Fidel one, too.

Salsera
  8/1/2016 14:42 EST

I can only confirm what Iguanalover writes. Where is a REAL democracy nowadays? Most countries are dictated by money - by the transnationals, the financial mafia - these are powerful enough to provoke financial crisis and even wars.

So what?

And: Please, dear USA - do not try to import your type of Freedom and Democracy here anymore... It only leaves a trace of blood, death and destruction. Nicaragua works quite well.

dumluk
  8/1/2016 15:23 EST

Interesting! I appreciate your feedback.....and agree with some of the points made....I suppose Carlos Sellas has survived and prospered for as long as he has by heeding that same advice, and of course forging certain alliances.......Does Nicaragua in fact work quite well now? And several Nica expats and even Nicas have told me that the wife runs the show. Any truth to that?

xaxacatla
  8/1/2016 15:52 EST

Some folks only want enough power to take as much as they want.

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KeyWestPirate
  8/1/2016 16:27 EST

It's sad that Nicaragua shed so much blood for an ideal that has been compromised.

You can rationalize but in fact Ortega has consolidated power and is unlikely to give it up. Where this will lead is anyone's guess.

Nicaragua IS going well. Ortega shares the spoils with his friends, giving him a much wider base of support than Somoza ever had.

I doubt that the US is going to interfere in what is a stable government, whether dictatorship or other.

What does this mean for us expats??? Transfer payments to Nicaragua are a significant percentage of the gross product, and go directly into the pockets of many Nicaraguans. The lines at any Western Union office are testament to this flow of money.

Not all comes from the US, some comes from Costa Rica and Spain, but a big chunk of it arrives from the US.

Ortega still gives lip service to both Cuba and Venezuela, but he knows where his bread is buttered. Both are failed states. Cuba might be bailed out by US tourism and investment; but Venezuela will continue to devolve.

It's a good life here. I follow the politics,,, have my opinions, but keep them to myself.

Other than transito hitting me up for a gift now and then,, Nicaragua government workings don't affect me. I'd like to see it stay that way.

iguanalover
  8/1/2016 17:39 EST

The Mrs. supposedly runs the show and does a good job on many things. She has been the one pushing public health and the fight against the mosquitos. She made the public health go house to house and spray. She has really improved public education and has helped improve sanitation all over the country. We hear her every night when we watch the local news, she is in charge of families and communication in the country and she communicates. She is making people pick up their trash and put it in its place. A very successful campaign which has really helped the country. She wanted the road from Masaya to Managua widened to accommodate more traffic and six months later it is built and being used. When she talks, things happen and those things improve the life of the local people and us also. We wish more politicians in many countries would follow her example.

elduendegrande
  8/1/2016 17:48 EST

Somoza shared with his friends, too. But that hints at one of the fundamental problems of dictatorship--there is always another level who want their cut.

The economy is booming, the top 50% of the population feels it has a future, Ortega rules brilliantly with a great partnership with his wife, and socialism works--as long as the OPM holds out.

iguanalover
  8/1/2016 21:58 EST

We have enjoyed our time in Nicaragua but who knows what the future holds? Ortega is 70 and has lupus. He spends a great deal of time in Cuba getting medical treatment. We tend to agree with elduendegrande. We see many, many people visiting the country then investing their life savings in a McMansion and moving everything they own down. They may live to regret their decision as we have seen several do already. We own nothing and can get out with a few suitcases whenever we like.

We have lived in several countries in the last ten years and travelled thru about thirty. The world is changing in ways we would not have imagined twenty years ago. I think the best advise is to stay formed, have a plan B and keep your powder dry.

dalepues
  8/1/2016 22:37 EST

The writer of that piece is Tim Rogers. Some here have seen his name at Nicaragua Dispatch.

Towards the end Rogers states that "These things never end well."

Well, that's a profound statement, wouldn't you say? Rogers is insinuating that this government will come to an unhappy end. My question is, what government has had a happy ending? How can it be otherwise?

That isn't to say that I agree with Rogers, except in the existential sense that all things, especially man made institutions, come to an end. Governments tend to end rather messily.

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lizajean3
  8/1/2016 23:27 EST

funny, i've been living in esteli for the summer staying with a friend to have some dental work done...i've had questions from friends asking if i'm not afraid living in a dangerous communist country and i reply that i feel far safer here then when i was in merida or caracas...there's next to no police presence and i find ppl on the street very friendly and helpful...i guess everything's a matter of perspective

Salsera
  8/2/2016 00:10 EST

Hi Iguanalover,
I was not aware that the Missus is taking care of so many things (I do not have a TV). Great!

Only: "She is making people pick up their trash and put it in its place. A very successful campaign which has really helped the country." Hmmmh - it seems she was not yet in Leon...

I saw nice yellow trash bins in Granada and Diriomo inviting people to keep their environment clean - which seems to work.

But here in Leon I hear that it is not recommendable to install trash bins, because they will be stolen, probably at night people throw tons of garbage into the Rio Chiquito, on the bridges and in the street, the street dogs dissect them and spread their contents all over... It is VERY dirty.

KeyWestPirate
  8/2/2016 17:59 EST

It's much messier in the US. It's not going to end well there either, no matter who wins.

Four more years of deadlock or wrenching changes that will leave many unhappy.

It IS happier here. Nicaraguans are not stupid, they know what is going on,,, and it will be up to them to change things when the time comes.

atz111
  8/2/2016 18:09 EST

I agree it is a mess in USA...been a long time coming...people tired of being run by politicos. That is why someone as abrasive and crude as Trump ha so much support...that and some of the things he says ..with some modification...are in tune with what a hell of a lot of people think. I think he will be bad for the country as President but between he and Sanders they in very different ways have defined the new political reality, If Dems win and especially if they win pretty big the deadlock will disappear, the GOP will regroup and change their tune...they have to to stay relevant. The party is as afraid of Trump as anybody..except Putin. They are starting to see the light that what they spawned is really bad for them. And you may not like Hillary , but she is a tough, connected person not a newbie nice guy like Obama. I think the whole process has been good for the system.

iguanalover
  8/2/2016 20:51 EST

I am very sorry to hear about the street scene in Leon. It is an important place. I hope it will improve. The street dogs are a depressing problem. We no longer have many where we live and I am afraid to ask what happened.

atz111
  8/2/2016 20:53 EST

The zoo has been here with the circus and they grab um up and feed them to the lions and tigers. Honest injun,

iguanalover
  8/2/2016 21:06 EST

The plot thickens...Daniel nominated his wife for VP this afternoon in a ceremony in MetroCentro. It is official and all but a done deal since there is no one running against them. Stay tuned...

elduendegrande
  8/2/2016 21:44 EST

"The King is dead, Long Live the King!"

dumluk
  8/3/2016 10:41 EST

Somebody mentioned that they are starting to like the idea of living with a one party system, in light of the corrupt controlled 2 party elitist system in the States..........And I agree to a certain extent. What good isit to have a 2 party system if at the end of the day the upper echelon of both work for the same taskmasters? But never the less, i believe in competition, not monopolies.......And I think a strong, vocal opposition is a must......Remember the age oldsaying? Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely..........

elduendegrande
  8/4/2016 09:45 EST

yep, if somebody thinks democracy sucks, they should look at the competition..
When Nic turns on the foreign residents it will be quick and dirty.

novato1953
  8/6/2016 13:12 EST

I noticed the other day the government received the first shipment in an order of 20-some Russian T-72B tanks, a model introduced in 1985 featuring gun-launched guided missile capability. Fearsome looking beasts, but they say bothersome to maintain, and I'm not clear what menace they counter, locally.

iguanalover
  8/6/2016 14:28 EST

The Russians are in charge of security for the Grand Canal. The hardware is supposedly for that. My understanding is that there are Russian personnel in country already.

elduendegrande
  8/7/2016 09:16 EST

Original story was they were for anti-narco use. jejeje

Another view is that they are to help assure the populace of the fairness of the elections.

Another view is that they are to replace Nic's wornout existing tanks, wornout from storage and parades.

Now Nic itself will have 3 times as many armored vehicles as guate/salvador/honduras combined. Maybe they want to start an arms race. (I don't know if the weinie state of CR has any armored vehicles, seeing as they have no army).

Maybe we will just be treated to some dandy May Day parades.

dumluk
  8/8/2016 19:13 EST

So despite all the opposition, the canal is moving ahead? Most people around here think the project is dead in the water.........Chinese economy and world economy slowing down dramatically in general...........Whats the news on the street up there?

iguanalover
  8/8/2016 23:05 EST

Nada on the canal...

KeyWestPirate
  8/9/2016 09:36 EST

Tanks are for the Nicaraguan dream of invading and recovering Guanacaste.

elduendegrande
  8/9/2016 10:59 EST

jeje, you funny kwp
what did the poet dude say, If you are a small country you have to dream big?

I think the tanks are to deliver xmas zin to rural areas with bad roads.

elduendegrande
  8/9/2016 12:14 EST

Canal plan is a go. Problem is, the chicom stock market crashed so they are waiting for the dough or for some govmint to come in and at least guarantee the project.

pmartini2
  8/9/2016 12:58 EST

Where is the canal going to be and where is it likely to affect once it starts to happen?

KeyWestPirate
  8/9/2016 14:21 EST

I have yet to see anything that would indicate that the canal was more than a combo swindle and populist smoke blower,

There is a pic of a bunch of ratty looking dump trucks, plus a scraped road to Brito that has been subsequently destroyed by rain.

Could you point me to anything else, perhaps some numbers that show an ROI on a $50 Bil "investment"?

We're not even seeing the endless, glowing, & no relationship to the facts . . .. . press releases that were sent to every publication in the world.

Wasn't August 2016 another "firm" start date?

elduendegrande
  8/9/2016 21:31 EST

Commies don't need ROI.
They just need some schmuck in the Central Commiittee to say "Getterdone".

dumluk
  8/10/2016 11:53 EST

Geez Duende............sounds more efficient to me............and no need to lie to the shareholders.........jaja

elduendegrande
  8/11/2016 11:05 EST

The canal is going to go from Shanghai . China to the Walmart Dock in Miami, passing by Rivas Nic.

I predict:
Rivas will be the next Panama City, skyscrapers rising from the jungle. It will be renamed Ortegaville, or maybe Chamuckaville, or whatever.

feliceb
  8/11/2016 12:43 EST

well put!:)

dumluk
  8/11/2016 19:56 EST

Jeez......Is Rivas in the jungle? Didnt see any jungle on the west coast of Nica..........Did I miss something?

novato1953
  8/11/2016 21:56 EST

Turns out the canal construction money they were counting on from the Nigerian Prince has been delayed.

elduendegrande
  8/12/2016 09:27 EST

They chopped down the jungle and fed it to the cows,
Actually western Nic is tropical dry forest, a different ecosystem, more endangered than rain forest,
OK," giant skyscrapers rising from the degraded cow pastures"

elduendegrande
  8/13/2016 10:22 EST

The Nigerian Prince is busy with the Christian schoolgirls he captured. When he sells them off he will be back on task with the canal, probably sooner than the Chicom stock market rebounds.

Mtvsolis
  8/13/2016 12:28 EST

Disgusting, not funny.

elduendegrande
  8/14/2016 11:33 EST

Disgusting, but funny.

KeyWestPirate
  8/14/2016 16:50 EST

Is there that much money in Christian schoolgirls?

feliceb
  8/14/2016 16:58 EST

touche'! Some people do not have humor!
I have been chuckling over the comments that you both have written

atz111
  8/14/2016 18:18 EST

The Nigerian Price don't need no money. He got oil, some graft and corruption income on the side, likely some NGO help to keep the restless at bay and World Bank loan and which he no gonna repay. The white christian girls just a distraction for him and his otherwise I got it all life. after all, why be a Prince unless you can do rock and roll or vodoo.

dumluk
  8/14/2016 21:24 EST

Jeje......I think this thread has gotten sidetracked, or highjacked........Lets getit back on track......its not about corrupt, greedy, child molesting Nigerian princes............its about whats goin on in Nicaragua today..........And is it a good thing? Or a bad thing? Should I or anybody else who was thinking about maybe shifting their mailing address to Nicaragua rethink it?

iguanalover
  8/15/2016 11:02 EST

The government is not the scary thing in Nicaragua. It is the developers. The people who ruined Costa Rica have moved north. It depends on what you want.

feliceb
  8/21/2016 10:14 EST

Bravo!!!!

dumluk
  8/22/2016 15:39 EST

I dont know about you, but I like the three B's to line up: Bueno, bonito, y barato...........and maybe clean streets and cinamon skin curvy local chicas dyin to meetcha...............Can even be a one party state as long as things get done and fixed............and I can drink and drive unmolested...........

KeyWestPirate
  8/22/2016 20:20 EST

Seems like a reasonable expectations list . . . .

But I think it's always going to be: Choose two of the three.

It's a mistake to chase "barato" as most of the NIcaraguans do. It is always about value. Often you pay a little more but get so much more in return. .

elduendegrande
  8/22/2016 21:51 EST

"clean streets" must be code talk for heavy rains....

KeyWestPirate
  8/23/2016 09:42 EST

And where does all of that trash go?

Answer: One of the two lakes,,,

But it's getting better. I rode a bus about a week ago (horrors!) and there was a trash sack hung from the overhead rack.

Still much easier to throw it out the window (leave your seat and lose it, make your way to the trash sack while keeping an eye on your bag,,,) but at least it's a start.

elduendegrande
  8/23/2016 11:06 EST

Actually, Esteli drains to the caribe, not to the lakes. Hard to think of the northern mountains as the Atlantic slope, but the rio esteli drains to the rio coco which goes east.

KeyWestPirate
  8/23/2016 11:18 EST

Where does Managua drain? That's the predominant source of trash.

Not that Estelí doesn't contribute its share . .. . .

elduendegrande
  8/23/2016 17:03 EST

Mga drains to lake mga which drains to lake Nic, which goes to the altlantic by way of rio san juan..

Carolannf
  8/25/2016 08:06 EST

Maybe Marguaritaville? lol, sorry don't know how to spell it but you guys know what I mean

JRPixels
  9/10/2016 17:25 EST

It's so nice to hear someone speak lovingly of Ronald Reagan, the last president I actually admired. I wanted to say that I have just returned to America after teaching in China for five years. I'm not a youngster, but I've got good stuff still inside me. My question is this: What the hell happened to America in the last 5 years, and where's the exit sign? Which would you rather have, the enemy you see and know or the enemy who masquerades as an honest and caring friend who waits for you to turn your back? We have a choice of a traitor (possibly murderer) or a raving egomaniac for president. So, what's the problem with China again?...or Nicaragua?...or Cuba?...or.......? I'm getting ready to travel down to Nicaragua in October. I'm interested in teaching English as a foreign language and with sharing a loving relationship of creative and critical thinking with people who actually want to grow in those areas. In America, I'm just a worthless old man who can only get a job bagging groceries at Publix. I didn't invest money in China, and I won't invest money in Nicaragua. I believe our best investment is in people, and that's why Nicaragua looks pretty darn good to me. I'm down to two large suitcases. Pretty soon, I may be down to one, and it feels great!!!

waltermboyles
  9/11/2016 10:20 EST

Spoiler alert!
All new presidents need a little war to show that they have guts, e.g., Granada, Panama.
I can see Trump nuking Nicaragua.
H2O 212F

elduendegrande
  9/11/2016 11:47 EST

Don't be silly, the neocons want to attack Iran and the social-fascists want to attack Christian Russia. Trump wants none of it.

Time to realize Nic is a very insignificant country to the rest of the world. It had its minute of fame in the 80s and that is pretty much it.

What we have to worry about down here is that the US has to trigger hyper inflation to pay its debts and that will have a trickle down effect (more like a tsunami) that will probable be worse than the last recession.

dalepues
  9/12/2016 17:16 EST

To further this discussion, I offer a quote from Sergio Ramirez Mercado, writer and ex-vice president of Nicaragua, taken from an interview which appeared in Sunday's edition of La Prensa's Domingo:

"Necesariamente vamos hacia una crisis economica porque las donaciones masivas del petroleo venezolano se terminaron. A este pais entraron en los ultimos diez anos ocho mil millones de dolares. Eso se termino. Muchos gastos sociales van a ser cargados al presupuesto. Venezuela ya inscribio su deuda como deuda del Estado. Aqui sigue siendo privada. Cuando la deuda con Venezuela pase a ser del Estado, va a significar mas del 75 por ciento del product Interno Bruto. Eso es en total descalabro. La economia aqui ha funcionado dentro de una burbuja, pero es muy debil. Que es lo que exporta Nicaragua? Café, oro y Ganado. eso te produce atraso economico. El numero de pobres no es cierto que se esta reduciendo, porque si vos me decis que para no ser pobre tenes que ganar arriba de los dos dolares, eso es una fantasia."

I hope everyone here reads Spanish. The short: The relatively prosperous days of Nicaragua, fueled by cheap Venezuelan oil, are about to come to an end.

elduendegrande
  9/12/2016 17:32 EST

Nic. has been on a bubble from Hugo and elsewhere and Ortega has managed it brilliantly.

Long term I think China will buy the Sandino franchise, a valuable addition to its collection so we might pass the next recession, too.
Problem is, if the US dollar crashes it could be a problem too big to fix.

The article is right in pointing out that Nic. consumes more than it produces and has a runaway birthrate.

novato1953
  9/12/2016 18:04 EST

I'd like to get my hands on one of those T-72Bs, paint it candy apple metallic and turn it into a low-rider. Might get a free ticket to the Inauguration parade. No luck finding one so far, though, and anyways, I can't decide where to hang the fuzzy dice.

elduendegrande
  9/13/2016 10:09 EST

Such a simple problem-- the fuzzy dice hang from the barrel.

dumluk
  9/13/2016 15:39 EST

Jajajaja..........."from the barrel".......good one......and excellent insight and update from dalepues..........thatis surely a revelation.........But if China does step in as el duende suggests, then they have been preparing themselves for the collapse of the dollar for quite some time, and have been buying gold like no tomorrow despite the fact that western central banks have been dumping it trying to suppress its value.........Maybe thats the best case scenario..........Chine picks up the slack.......Just better hope they send some of their bestand brightest instead of the rude Chinese camposino immigrants we mostly get here in Panama.........

dalepues
  9/13/2016 21:17 EST

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dalepues
  9/13/2016 21:20 EST

Hahahaha. Well that didn't work.

N? èle ma

Q?ng w?men y?q? ch? w?nfàn

elduendegrande
  9/14/2016 10:11 EST

The best and the brightest who have lunch in the Rose Garden are cover for the crude campesinos who do the dirty work of conquest.

KeyWestPirate
  9/14/2016 12:06 EST

Well,,, the Chinese do change the equation.

All the "pulperias" and significantly larger, are run by Chinese in Costa Rica.

Not a problem for the Ticos, they don't need or want that work anymore. They are miles up the food chain, standing on top of the Chinese -and Nicaraguan guest workers.

But, here in Nicaragua?? The Nica here watching her TV when you walk in the store,,, "DigaMe" without turning her face to greet you. . . .

I look forward to a well run Chinese ferreteria. One that understands you don't put stuff together with scraps of string, wire, and tape.

dumluk
  9/14/2016 12:06 EST

They already comprise about 10% of the population here........and dominate the country stores and midlevel supers, and autoparts, and panaderias not to mention offloading facilities in the canal.......but by far and away the rudest and crudest of the bunch are the ones directed by Chinese mafia central control to run the little tiendas all over the country, and city barrios..........they are generallynot very pleasant people and I dont like handing over my $$ to them.......They farm the Panas like ants farm aphids..........but some of these Panachinas chicas come out stunning........and smart..........Theres hardly a one of em whose not workin tho...........Unlike all to many fat Panas sittin on their porches playin with their friggin phones.....Meantime we could use some able bodies Nica boys down here who know how to work........The Nicas will work circles around the lazy Panas.......high unemployment up there, almost zero unemployment down here......Its a no brainer..........Pls send me two who can swing a machete........

KeyWestPirate
  9/14/2016 12:14 EST

Interesting. The north is full of unemployed campesinos. A few will work,, most do not see the point -especially if they can "borrow" the money they need somewhere.

It's hard to dis the life they live. Harvest to harvest, enough to eat, squalid living conditions, but plenty of time to talk, and drink guaro, if hey have the C$20 for the bottle.

Not true across the board, like all generalizations, some hustle and enjoy a steady check. Hard to find those, and you don't know until they work for a month.

But, persevere, and you eventually get what you need.

elduendegrande
  9/16/2016 18:42 EST

My wife made a very funny comment the other day--she wishes some more big stores would move into town and push out of business all the little ones than are cluttering up downtown and most of the major side streets. Sacrilege!

Sad thing is, most of our younger relatives , including the college graduates, have given up on looking for work and are opening up fritangas and and little ventas.

dumluk
  9/17/2016 11:58 EST

With that in mind then, construction labor in specific and all around laborin general should still be dirt cheap. My experience with Nicas in Costa Rica is that they tend to be good workers and ready to take on the tuff dirty job that the soft Tico doesnt want to do (or extranjero) Is that not the case? For 10 yrs in Costa Rica on the Caribbean, did I only see the more motivated ones, and the thieving ones? Did the normal ones stay home? Are they porch sitters and video and phone game players up there too, hangin around and leechin off Mom and Pop?

dalepues
  9/21/2016 17:42 EST

This is a few days old, but still current. From The Economist:

http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21707245-daniel-ortega-imposes-dictatorial-dynasty-nicaragua-comrade-caudillo

Note that no mention is made of Venezuela's contribution to Nicaragua's economy. Do the writers at The Economist know something about Nicaragua that Sergio Ramirez does not?

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If you've recently arrived in Nicaragua, here are 10 tips for digital nomads living in Nicaragua.

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