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badbanterer
  1/19/2019 13:05 EST

Hello,

I am leaving this madhouse to specifically find what they mistake here for as “personal liberty” as well as a clean, healthy life and lifestyle since it’s so hard to source clean food/water here.

Argentina just announced yesterday that they passed laws MANDATING VACCINATIONS for everyone.

I caught myself rationalizing “Hmmm, well, that is S. A. so what do you expect? Govs can decree anything they want there” but the truth is I can’t imagine any one of these crooked govs not manufacturing some pandemic to then just announce a similar policy, including (or starting with) this one.

Do any of you have a “feel” for Chile’s stance on this vaccination bs?

I’ve included the link here:
https://youtu.be/wV49Az0cIg8

Thanks for any guidance or feedback you can render.

J

FAIRCLOUGH
  1/20/2019 15:12 EST

I grew up in Argentina. At school we had a subject that was sometimes called democratic education, civil education, social services, etc. We were taught about all forms of government, democracy in particular, public service, health and human services, which included things such as census taking, meter reading, postal delivery, visits to homes for old folks and yes, vaccinations. We vaccinated against measles, polio, typhoid, etc. No cost to the people. We went to schools, door to door and were always welcomed. With campains like these many diseases were erradicated completely and the population were educated enough to understand the effectiveness of these vaccines. It is only in recent history that mostly uneducated people are refusing vaccines and posing a risk to themselves and the rest of the community. It is only recently that some of these defeated diseases are returning. Clinging to rumors of deaths caused by vaccines and human rights some people fail to understand how statistics work, and show no inclination to learn or be corrected. I fully support mandatory vaccination and the supporting education at no charge, not for profit, and the concept of a democratic campain that is mandatory for the benefit of all the population.

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badbanterer
  1/20/2019 15:54 EST

Thank you very much for the thoughtful response.

Anyone interested in learning about actual facts, statistics and toxic ingredients being put into today’s vaccinations, feel free send me a pm and I will share.

All information will be backed by independent, third party studies linking the direct correlation with autism and other diseases not
paid for by the pharmaceutical governments or Chronic Disease Center.

(This is a good starting point for those of you with any interest or with any friends or family harmed by vaccinations - https://youtu.be/SpQyYTs5LTg)

Again, I am seeking to start any controversy so please contact me off-list)

quietbibleguy
  1/20/2019 16:34 EST

Dear Fairclough, I appreciate your help, but this is slander: >> It is only in recent history that mostly uneducated people are refusing vaccines and posing a risk to themselves and the rest of the community. << I was enrolled for a PhD at one point. I had a severe vaccine reaction in the army, and had to see the doctors. So my question is, if vaccinations really work, then if you get one, why should I need one? Your vaccination should make my non-vaccination irrelevant, yes? So why push involuntary vaccinations on me? Isn't that the definition of fascism? I ask respectfully.

badbanterer
  1/20/2019 18:21 EST

Thanks bibleguy.

Encourager
  1/20/2019 19:03 EST

Isn't CDC the acronymn for Center for Disease Control and NOT Chronic Disease Center? or was this just a bad joke on your part?

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badbanterer
  1/20/2019 19:09 EST

Just being truthful.

Encourager
  1/20/2019 19:14 EST

Every country in the world has some problems. Some more intolerable than others. Governments are ALL corrupt. I also left almost 2 years ago when the USA became intolerable for me. I chose Chile as one of the least corrupt countries on my "most desired list of characteristics" and Iquique because it had the "best" year-around weather to my individual liking. Argentina is more corrupt than Chile in many ways and the east coast weather with warm coastal waters is more subject to hurricanes. That was a non-starter for me to consider Argentina and their currency is getting worse everyday so inflation is out-of-control there. Another non-starter for me to consider because I am a retired pensioner living well here in Iquique on a fixed income. All things considered, Iquique is "best" for me.

Encourager
  1/20/2019 19:15 EST

I have NEVER been "required" to have any vaccinations in Iquique, Chile.

badbanterer
  1/20/2019 19:25 EST

I’m with you on all counts. I did mean to suggest that Chile HAS had any forced vaccinations. I was asking if anyone had any inkling as to the likelihood.

I'm certain it is coming to the US by way of some “outbreak” or manufactured news of an impending “pandemic”.

quietbibleguy
  1/20/2019 19:32 EST

Jorge, I don't know the answer, but I did a Google search for "vaccinations Chile." A few websites recommended vaccines (which they are selling), but I did not see anything which said vaccines were mandatory. I wrote my friend in Valdivia, and will let you know what he says.

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badbanterer
  1/20/2019 19:40 EST

Thanks. I don’t know if anyhthing on the books right now but these governments tend to stick together “for the sake of national security AND our SAFETY”, of course.

I’m not familiar with Chile’s population control agenda but I do know that the US is at full tilt. It gave me pause when I thought about what/where I’m going when I heard about Argentina.

Encourager
  1/20/2019 19:52 EST

I found that the internet is a huge help with information about how countries compare to each other throughout the world. One of the most helpful sites was HeritageFoundation when I was doing my research as where I wanted to retire. It was very accurate and I am extremely happy with my decision as a result. I made a personal one week visit to Iquique before completely uprooting myself to verify that what I was learning online was actually the truth for my satisfaction. I stayed at an AirBNB here during that week and had great hosts who could also answer any of my questions about Iquique and Chile in general. All, and more, has turned out to be true and as a result I am VERY happy here.

Becerra65
  1/20/2019 19:56 EST

You don’t need any vaccines coming to Chile. I’ve been in and out of the country 3 times in the last year. I got a letter from my doctor before leaving the states saying I was in good health. I’m 53 years old. Knock on wood no illnesses except a 24 hour stomach virus last month.

Becerra65
  1/20/2019 19:56 EST

You don’t need any vaccines coming to Chile. I’ve been in and out of the country 3 times in the last year. I got a letter from my doctor before leaving the states saying I was in good health. I’m 53 years old. Knock on wood no illnesses except a 24 hour stomach virus last month.

badbanterer
  1/20/2019 20:03 EST

Yes, I’m aware that nothing is required at this time. I visited in 2016 for 6 weeks. I was just asking if anyone had any insights as to whether argentina’s move could portend similar moves by other SA countries. L

For example, I don’t put it past any of the countries who institute such a policy to require anyone entering to be vaxxed. Which of course, makes no sense since if all your sheep have been stuck then presumably both they and we, not unwashed masses are also safe.

quietbibleguy
  1/20/2019 20:10 EST

Jorge, my friend in Valdivia says, "I think you do not (need vaccines), since you come from a developed country. I think they demand it in immigrants from underdeveloped countries only." I hope that helps. And I hope they keep vaccines optional!

badbanterer
  1/20/2019 20:20 EST

That is my hope as well.

FAIRCLOUGH
  1/20/2019 21:13 EST

None required for either country.

FAIRCLOUGH
  1/20/2019 21:14 EST

Same here in Pucon.

badbanterer
  1/21/2019 02:51 EST

Just in case some of you want additional information:

https://www.learntherisk.org/

THE REALITY OF OUR HEALTH
The United States is sicker than ever.

The U.S. spends more than any other country on healthcare yet has more chronic health issues than any other country. Half of all adults in the U.S. have a chronic illness, and nearly half will eventually die of cancer. We are exposed to a cocktail of synthetic chemicals from birth: polluted air and water and processed food laced with pesticides, to which we add pharmaceutical drugs, including vaccines, into the mix.

Becerra65
  1/21/2019 07:25 EST

Agree. I don’t take any medications and believe in medicinal marijuana. When I go to the states the food is horrible and I can’t digest any of it. Since being in Chile I may have gained weight but the food is so much better, cleaner and flavorful. There are no fast food places in San Vicente. McDonalds is a treat and the closes one is an hour away. Even their food taste better the the US version. I eat more fruits and vegetables here as opposed to waiting for them to go through many processes before shipped to the US. I don’t normally get sick. I am very lucky at 53 but I know my time will come as it is inevitable as we age. I do think living a clean stressful life here in Chile will extend my life.

quietbibleguy
  1/21/2019 12:28 EST

Cannabis is fabulous medicine. I was raised against it, and used to think it was evil until I saw it was one of the ingredients in the priestly anointing oil in the Bible. In Hebrew it is called Kaneh Bohs meaning “fragrant cane,” which is a perfect descriptor of cannabis. The Creator even complains at the people that they did not bring His priests any of the good stuff. That spun my head around. In case anyone is interested, here is a study I wrote about what the Bible has to say about cannabis: http://www.nazareneisrael.org/books/spiritual-health-and-healing/cannabis-and-the-bible/. As I understand it is presently illegal in Chile, which is too bad. I understand there is a movement to make it legal that stalled in the legislature. I hope I can plug into the movement to help make it legal, because it is such good medicine.

Encourager
  1/21/2019 16:06 EST

Chile is VERY WISE to NOT legalize cannabis. It is a "gateway drug". If you want to use it for its supposed "medicinal purposes" then you should get a qualified Doctor's prescription and see if that will be accepted. Just like alcohol is a "gateway drug" and you know that alcohol addiction is extremely bad for the same reason and should be outlawed without a prescription as well. Get several doctors' prescriptions because there are many corrupt doctors as well who just want to make money.

quietbibleguy
  1/21/2019 19:05 EST

Encourager, respectfully, I am a busy guy. Maybe you don't believe the Bible? Too bad! But the scientific evidence is coming in, and the results tell us that cannabis treats many conditions that conventional medicine cannot.

Do you read Newsweek? Here is a Newsweek article that says cannabis is the #1 best treatment for autism and other related disorders, such as Aspergers (which affect millions of people). And some people lump in ADD and ADHD with that.
https://www.newsweek.com/2018/02/23/really-good-weed-why-cannabis-may-be-worlds-most-effective-remedy-core-806758.html.

Here is an article about how cannabis treats PTSD (and there are thousands of self-reports about cannabis saving a great many veterans from suicide):
https://greencamp.com/cannabis-and-ptsd/

About being a "Gateway" drug, do you read Time Magazine? Here is an article in Time about how cannabis is now being used to help people get OFF opioids: http://time.com/4419003/can-medical-marijuana-help-end-the-opioid-epidemic/ .

Do you listen to Business Insider? Here is an article about the benefits of medical cannabis, which also covers cannabis treatments for epilepsy: https://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4#it-may-help-control-epileptic-seizures-5.

Here is an article about how cannabis treats ALS (Lou Gherig's disease): https://greencamp.com/als-and-cannabis/

Lupus:
https://greencamp.com/cannabis-for-lupus/

Here is a decent introductory overview of the medical benefits:
https://www.medicaljane.com/category/cannabis-classroom/#therapeutic-benefits

Here is an article about medical cannabis and chronic renal (kidney) disease.
http://calgarycmmc.com/kidneys.htm

Here is another article about medical cannabis and kidney disease.
https://www.medicalmarijuanainc.com/polycystic-kidney-disease-medical-marijuana-research-overview/

I could go on and on and on. But please forgive me, I am out of time. I give all of this information with respect, only for those who are interested.

Blessings.

Encourager
  1/21/2019 19:21 EST

Your articles are not published clinical evidential studies by qualified medical personnel. They are editorial opinions and as such have NO weight in the medical community. You are spreading Fake News. Also, your fake religion needs to stay away from Chile and other top 10 nations in the world. You deserve Argentina and better yet Venezuela to spread your anti-Christian beliefs.

Encourager
  1/21/2019 19:21 EST

Your articles are not published clinical evidential studies by qualified medical personnel. They are editorial opinions and as such have NO weight in the medical community. You are spreading Fake News. Also, your fake religion needs to stay away from Chile and other top 10 nations in the world. You deserve Argentina and better yet Venezuela to spread your anti-Christian beliefs.

quietbibleguy
  1/21/2019 19:45 EST

Encourager, they have not been able to do clinical trials of the kind you are suggesting, because the federal government has listed cannabis a Schedule 1 drug, which makes it hard for even the researchers to access. Many people believe this is because Big Pharma has paid Big Dollars to keep all the natural medicines illegal.

quietbibleguy
  1/21/2019 20:09 EST

And actually, there are a LOT of scientific studies of the kind you are referring to in those articles, if you would bother to read them.

Encourager
  1/22/2019 06:14 EST

Stay OUT of Chile. You and your liberal lies are NOT welcome here.

Encourager
  1/22/2019 10:30 EST

Prove it . . . I don't read liberal media articles. They only are promoting their own agenda. I only want to know true non-liberal scientific studies. Not propaganda.

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 15:06 EST

Encourager, you wrote:
>> Stay OUT of Chile. You and your liberal lies are NOT welcome here. <<

Did I miss something? Did you get elected as the President of Chile, or something? Or did you get appointed over immigration? Because I thought you were a Chilean-wanna-be, just like me. So where did you get such a high-and-mighty attitude, that you think you are the boss of me, and can tell me what to think and do?

Could you please help me with something? Could you please tell me why you claim the title of Christian? Because to me, you are contradicting the Bible, and I don't see any real evidence of the Holy Spirit in action. They say, "They shall know we are Christians by our love," but all I see coming from you in your posts is all judgment, insults, hatred, and control.

Maybe you think you believe in something? But from what I can see, you don't be+live what the Bible says. So if you truly are a Christian, I hope you will please stop, and think about that, and then pray. Because right now you are playing the role of the Accuser (or the Accurser) of the brethren. You should really stop all engines, and lock the brakes, and pray about that, brother.

From my perspective, I thought Teo (Socium) was very gracious and respectful to you, and you paid him back with insults. Is that how you want others to treat you?

You were also nasty to Walt (Liewald), when he was trying to help you. Is that how you want others to treat you? (Or are you OK with being a hypocrite?)

I apologize to Jorge that his thread went sideways. I don't understand why you want to introduce such a bad spirit (bad feeling) in this forum. If you have the Holy Spirit, then why don't you show it?

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 15:52 EST

Encourager, you wrote:
>>"Prove it . . . I don't read liberal media articles. They only are promoting their own agenda. I only want to know true non-liberal scientific studies. Not propaganda."<<

Encourager, I am just curious, has anyone ever asked if you have have issues with control?

I just told you, they have not been able to run clinical trials, because Big Pharma pays Big Money to keep cannabis classified as a Schedule 1 drug (with allegedly no medical benefits) while they synthesize Marinol for cancer (precisely because it works). And some people think they do this because there are billions of dollars to be made.

https://www.rxleaf.com/old-research-proves-cannabis-kills-cancer-cells

But you don't listen, do you? Instead you want me to buy into your control game. "YOU must PROVE yourself to ME!!!!" (Said in a high and mighty tone...)

Listen, I like science. I was voted "Most Scientific" in my high school graduating class. Do you know what I am saying? But to me as a Bible believer, I have to go by what the Bible says, because they taught me at the University how to lie with science and statistics. "How to lie with statistics" was the name of one lecture series. True story. So when it comes to me and what I believe, I believe the Bible, and the Bible tells me that every plant bearing seed is good, and that they are given to us for food.

Genesis 1:29
29 And Elohim [God] said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food."

The Hebrew for "food" refers to consuming (or "taking in", in whatever fashion). And if the Bible is not good enough for, I don't care what your studies say.

We are also told that the leaves of the tree are given for the healing of the nations. This is allegorical, but it should impart an idea.

Revelation 22:2
2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
NKJV

You want to call the Bible liberal media? OK, I guess there are both conservative and liberal ideas in there. But if you want to claim the title of Christian, and you don't want to believe what the Bible says (or you don't want to live it), then brother, we have nothing to discuss.

I feel sorry for you, because frankly, you seem a spiritually tormented person. And it doesn't have to be that way.

I apologize, but I am a very busy person, and I have lots of other things to do. So I hope you will pray, and make the right choice.

Be well,

Encourager
  1/22/2019 16:43 EST

HA, HA, HA ~
Got YOU! You're NOT such a "quiet Bible Guy" after all are you? You seem to be working for the underworld.

Becerra65
  1/22/2019 17:01 EST

Well if people are going to use drugs, pot should be at the top of the list. Alcohol should be illegal above all the rest. I tell you what you don’t hear of any pot users dying from a drug overdose.

Becerra65
  1/22/2019 17:03 EST

Are you okay man?

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 17:52 EST

Encourager, thank you for being such good entertainment! You are better than YouTube. Seriously.

And yes, I wanted to go back and edit my screen name, but they won't let you. And this is too good of a forum to leave, just because I chose the wrong screen name. If I could do it again I would go with BibleGuy. Too late! But why is it a big deal to you? Why the ad hominem attacks? It is easy to tear down, and destroy. What is better is to edify, and build up.

Becerra65
  1/22/2019 18:19 EST

I like you! This was very entertaining and informative! Thank you!

Encourager
  1/22/2019 18:24 EST

Don't you know that the demons are in the bible too? I'm continuing to live up to my name and I encourage you be "quiet". Nobody cares what you believe. This isn't a bible study class.

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 18:31 EST

Halleluiah, sister!

Encourager
  1/22/2019 18:34 EST

Perhaps you could start a "new" account name? Oh, that's right, it has to come to you through "divine revelation". You don't have the ability to think on your own.

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 18:38 EST

Encourager, no, this is not a Bible study class. It is supposed to be a forum where people who want to be expatriates in Chile can help each other with that. But that requires people to maintain a positive focus, and be kind to each other, which is the exact opposite of what you are doing. My point was that you are claiming to be a Christian, but you are not acting like one, which makes you a hypochristian.

And yes, there are demons in the New Testament. What is your point? That because there are demons in the New Testament, that you get to talk and act exactly like you have one?

quietbibleguy
  1/22/2019 18:40 EST

>> Perhaps you could start a "new" account name? Oh, that's right, it has to come to you through "divine revelation". You don't have the ability to think on your own. <<

Encourager, what is your point? That I have to do everything to please you?

quietbibleguy
  1/24/2019 18:25 EST

Just as a follow-up, for those who are interested, here is a clinical trial regarding medical cannabis and ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder). Israel is leading the way in these kinds of clinical trials, because they don't have an FDA that puts cannabis on Schedule 1.

https://norml.org/news/2019/01/24/study-cbd-dominant-cannabis-oil-safe-and-effective-in-autistic-patients?link_id=1&can_id=72314cf29563a35005c839f59908c0a8&source=email-norml-news-of-the-week-1242019-2&email_referrer=email_483834&email_subject=norml-news-of-the-week-1242019

Here is the embedded link to the clinical study, as well as a reference to an earlier clinical study.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37570-y

Kind regards,

Encourager
  1/24/2019 20:35 EST

SO . . . Your solution is to go to Argentina? Why not go to Israel and be done with it? Better yet, save the travel expense and stay where you are so you can continue to "enjoy" your favorite drug(s) of choice? I thought that you were a "very busy guy" yet you want to continue your argument? Just go away, I'm DONE with you.

quietbibleguy
  1/24/2019 20:38 EST

Encourager, you are a hoot!

FAIRCLOUGH
  1/25/2019 07:10 EST

Don't come to Chile.
Drug addicts are not treated well.
Jails in Chile are not elegant by any means.

Encourager
  1/25/2019 08:29 EST

Thank you. Well stated. I encourage "Quiet Bible Guy" to stay in the drug-infested cesspool of drug-america where he belongs. If he came to Chile or Argentina he would end up in one of the "S.A. countries" that he has such contempt for.

Becerra65
  1/25/2019 11:01 EST

What’s wrong with these guys? I bet they support all the business that sell alcohol. Now that is a true killer!

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 13:07 EST

Dear Fairclough, please allow me to say this one time, for the record. I am not planning on using cannabis in Chile until it is legal. I am just hoping to work together with this agency to help it become legal.
http://www.fundaciondaya.org/category/testimonios/

I remember back when I thought that all "medical users" were just a bunch of addicts hiding behind the medical label. I was very humbled in a good way to learn that there are many people who do use it for legitimate medical purposes.

Just to let you know, I have gone traveling for a few weeks, and did not use it. I was fine, and did not even have any cravings. So for you to call me an addict is nothing more than an insult. Why do you want to insult me? Perhaps you should contact all of the Chilean citizens in the testimonials, and call them addicts, also?

I don't think you understand that I am not an addict, I just think it is good medicine. I take it when it is available, but I do not need it, or I would not be looking to move to Chile. Maybe you will believe me? Or maybe you will think I am a liar, just like I used to think all medical users were liars who just wanted to get stoned. It is your choice!

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 13:15 EST

Encourager, with respect, what is your issue (besides control)? I am just trying to get along, and help both myself and other people get their needs met. Maybe you have a problem with that?

Maybe you will contact all of the Chilean citizens on this testimonials page, and tell them that they are drug users and addicts, and bad people in general, because they use a plant the Father provides, to get well?

http://www.fundaciondaya.org/category/testimonios/

And I don't know what you are talking about, that I have "contempt for SA countries." It sounds more like you who has contempt for SA countries, and their people.

Or are you afraid, and you live in fear, which is why you have chronic kidney disease? And you feel threatened that human beings would use a Father-given plant to improve their health? Even Chilean citizens?

How can you look at these people, and not feel compassion for their medical needs? Just because you are afraid of a plant?

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 13:22 EST

Hi Becerra! I don't know what is wrong with these guys. I think they are scared of a plant. And of Chilean citizens who use a plant to get well? Maybe they are afraid of what would happen if they decided not to live in fear?

I remember back when I used to have fearful, unreasoning attitudes like that. I am glad I don't live in chronic fear anymore. These guys make me want to help Fundacion Daya even more!

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 13:30 EST

Hi Becerra.
Back when I lived in California, I had a mechanic friend whose son got a job as a police officer. He related how his son told him, "Dad, if it wasn't for alcohol, I wouldn't have a job!"

But I still don't know that prohibition of alcohol is a good answer. In the US they tried prohibiting alcohol, and it resulted in Al Capone and the mafia. And when they re-legalized it, the mafia activity died back down.

If they legalized things, it would eliminate the drug cartels and the associated violence.

Encourager
  1/25/2019 16:44 EST

True "bible guys" do NOT use illegal drugs and don't want to change laws that were written to protect their citizens. Go away with your propaganda and attempts to enlist others join your "illegal drug" fellowship.

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 17:03 EST

Encourager, would you please quit your campaign of malicious harassment? I am just trying to respond to another forum poster (who is being a lot more civil than you, btw). I posted the link to my study that shows how cannabis is the Kaneh Bohs of the Bible, and how it was one of the ingredients of the priestly anointing oil, and how the Almighty commanded it to be given to His priests. I have also said I do NOT plan to use it until it is legal in Chile. What part of that don't you understand? And who gave you the right to boss other people around? And be hateful?

badbanterer
  1/25/2019 18:34 EST

Dear Encourager (aka discourager),

I would “encourage” you to do some actual research (in earnest) regarding cannabis/hemp, it’s history and its uses before casting anymore stones.

If you had, you wouldn’t have posted any of these comments. As it is now, (and depending how big a man you are) if you ever do the research, you’d be compelled to issue a public apology to everyone on this thread.

Barring that, just let it go.
Jorge

badbanterer
  1/25/2019 18:35 EST

Dear Encourager (aka discourager),

I would “encourage” you to do some actual research (in earnest) regarding cannabis/hemp, it’s history and its uses before casting anymore stones.

If you had, you wouldn’t have posted any of these comments. As it is now, (and depending how big a man you are) if you ever do the research, you’d be compelled to issue a public apology to everyone on this thread.

Barring that, just let it go.
Jorge

quietbibleguy
  1/25/2019 18:48 EST

Thanks, Jorge.

Karstin
  5/26/2019 15:02 EST

The science, data, and urban myths floating around on vaccines are all sufficiently persuasive to allow each individual to continue to abide they their own belief. It's a wasted discussion. (and yes, CDC stands for Center for Disease Control, which works closely with WHO - the World Health Organization... doing good work out in the world)

Karstin
  5/26/2019 15:10 EST

I'm a bit confused on what would constitute a proper medical study for Encourager... only a double blind medical study by a "conservative" organization would be acceptable. See, that is where I start scratching my head. Science is science. A study that is performed with a reasonable amount of rigor will produce the same repeatable results, regardless of whether or not the individuals managing the study have one political point of view or another. Politics isn't science.

Karstin
  5/26/2019 15:13 EST

The science, data, and urban myths floating around on vaccines are all sufficiently persuasive to allow each individual to continue to abide by their own belief. It's a wasted discussion. (and yes, CDC stands for Center for Disease Control, which works closely with WHO - the World Health Organization... doing good work out in the world)

quietbibleguy
  5/26/2019 23:30 EST

Karstin, as someone who has suffered vaccine injuries, I respectfully beg to differ. If someone wants to take a shot full of mercury and half-dead viruses, that is up to them, but the problem is that they float theories about "herd immunity" and such that make zero sense, and then want to make things mandatory. I.e., they want to force me to take vaccines also, on the theory that I have to have a vaccine for their shot to be any good. Respectfully, it is the pro-vax crowd that pushes politics.

quietbibleguy
  5/27/2019 05:48 EST

Karstin, respectfully, I should add that I was voted “most scientific” in my high school graduating class. I agree that a good double-blind clinical trial should at least hypothetically produce repeatable results, regardless of politics. However, the reason the news is filled with stories of scandal and lying scientific studies is because there is big money and other inducements to lie, alter, and distort the data and results at stake. In practice it makes all the difference who is running the study, and what his goals are. I studied for a Ph.D., and one of the sub-courses was titled, “How to Lie with Statistics,” And I myself have suffered injury from vaccines that were “proven safe.” Just like DDT was proven safe. So I don’t believe them anymore.

TheScotsman
  6/3/2019 11:44 EST

Dear All, two points on Mandated Vaccinations (Argentina):
First point is that the Wikipedia resume on Vaccination Policy Globally (see:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy) makes for interesting reading on global policy for this subject. Not only Argentina, but Italy, France, Belgium, Poland, etc, etc! So I believe there are parallel thoughts on this throughout the world. At least when mandated, the state pays for it. But I can equally understand religious or medical protestations by some, however some countries believe that safety for the good of the masses, offsets problems for the few.
Second point on vaccinations for Chile - is that they DO have a MANDATORY policy - on Yellow Fever! IF you intend to travel FROM Chile into the Amazon region, where Yellow Fever is endemic, you MAY not be allowed to RETURN to Chile unless you show proof of vaccination. Or if travelling ON to Chile after being in the Amazon, they MAY not let you in! But OFTEN they do not actually check on this, as usually flights do not have ORIGIN in the Amazon (eg if you visited Iguazu Falls (Amazonia), but entered Chile via Buenos Aires). But best to be safe or you could have an expensive loss. You would be asked to return to point of departure and get the vaccination + 14 days to develop protection! Happy Travelling!

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