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El Valle de Anton and surrounding area rental help

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corinna
10/5/2011 12:19 EST

Hello,
I will be moving to Panama permanently sometime in November with my mother and 2 cats. We plan on taking our time and really investigating different areas to decide where we ultimately settle down. We have decided that El Valle and the surrounding area would be a perfect place to start. Unfortunately the online ads for rentals are very few unlike Boquete and David. I know that the best way to find property, rental and for purchase is by word of mouth and actually being there looking. I would like the peace of mind of having at least our first rental secured. Anything from a 1br/1bath to a 2br/1 or 2bath would be fine. We don't need anything fancy but it would have to be furnished and a clothes washer would be a plus. If anyone has any knowledge of rentals I would really appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Corinna
corinnafrangione@yahoo.com

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mcassa
10/5/2011 22:02 EST

Hi ~ I hope you have had some luck in locating a rental in El Valle. I have had the same issue. May I inquire as to how you decided on El Valle? Have you been there before? Do you know if it has good/reliable Internet and good medical care within 30 minutes? Mary

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802mark

From: Panama
10/6/2011 00:03 EST

I live in el valle, we do have a good internet hook up with cable onda, we have a small clinic here if you have small problems, if larger health problems you'll have to go to panama city.

homes to rent here are not cheap, that's because they are owned by rich people who really don't care to rent their home or not. many times you can rent their guest home.

It depends on what you want and what's your top dollar for rent per month

people come here because the weather is a lot cooler then places down the mountain. it is a very pretty place year round, never dry and dead. It is very safe place to live. You have a ring of mountains to look at, as well as all kinds of birds and butterflies.

there is a small expat family that lives here. your 30 mins from the beach.

life is slow and good here.

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corinna
10/6/2011 08:33 EST

Hi Marc - Thanks for your reply. I have been following your posts for quite some time as I made preparations for our move and you have always been honest and concise. El Valle is everything we want - cooler weather, not a large expat community. We are looking for a place to decompress, read, hike, swim, etc. We are both retired nurses and if we could find an organization to volunteer in - school, orphanage, wildlife rehabilitation or such, that would be fantastic. But first we need to find a rental. We would like to stay between $600 & $800 if possible. I do hope we will be able to find something.
Best wishes,
Corinna

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corinna
10/6/2011 08:45 EST

Hi Mary, We decided on making El Valle our first rental home on our journey to finding the right permanent home first because of its proximatey to Panama City. We will have to make trips to our lawyer as we get our visa and other legal issues taken care of. The other main reason is that it doesn't have the large expat community like David and Boquete. This is only from my info gathering via the internet. I have not been to Panama so this will be quite the adventure. But after 20+ years of nursing and neglecting my health, I need to focus on me for a change. I want to be able to read, walk, swim, take pictures and just do nothing or volunteer at something because I want to not because I have to to pay the bills. We have been taking spanish lessons here in NY and will continue in Panama. Immersing ourselves in our community will also help. I can't begin to describe how excited we are!
Best wishes,
Corinna

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Mikepg1
10/6/2011 09:59 EST

Hi Corinna,
We're from NY too and are considering El Valle as our start point too. We were there last year and thought it just might be the right place. Where are you studing Spanish as we are looking for the "right" school too?

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dizzylizzy
10/6/2011 11:33 EST

Hi Corinna and Mikepg1 I am going over to Panama in Jan and have downloaded a free great Spanish course to listen to whilst on the train etc. It is a Pod Cast and if you type 'Learn spanish with the Independent' into Google you should find it.

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corinna
10/6/2011 11:37 EST

Hi Mike,
We have been taking Spanish lessons in an adult education class in conjunction with computer tutorials with voice recognition. Once we get settled in Panama we will search out classes. Most of what I read in various forums is centered arount David and Boquette for the most part. There are numerous Spanish language classes available. Hopefully we can find something close in the El Valle area.
Corinna

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corinna
10/6/2011 12:13 EST

Thanks for the spanish course download. Free is a great bonus!

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mcassa
10/6/2011 12:26 EST

Hi Corinna, I am excited for you and your Mother on your move to Panama. Please keep me posted on the quality of Internet in El Valle and the climate, but only after you take care of yourself. I hope Panama provides the rest and recovery(both physical & spiritual) you are seeking. We also have been taking Spanish lessons here in AZ, preparing for a still unknown destination. Best wishes, Mary

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mcassa
10/6/2011 12:37 EST

Hi Mike, We're from AZ and are considering El Valle as our start point too. We are still deciding between Mexico, Ecuador & Panama. May I inquire as to why you chose Panama & in particular El Valle? We have concerns about its Internet and climate. How did El Valle check out on those two fronts? We are studying Spanish via Pimsleur Method, before immersion at an unknown destination. Very surprised at how effective it is. Best Wishes ~ Mary

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Mikepg1
10/6/2011 12:50 EST

I didn't really choose El Valle at the time of my visit. I visited many places in Panama in additon ot El Valle, including Boquete, David, Caldera, and PC.
I liked El Valle alot. The weather was fine, not far from the Beach or PC. The community of expats seemed pretty close knit. The local folks were friendly, as they were every place I visited. There seemed to be less of a "Gringo Tax" there then in Boquete. The open air market was really terrific. Great fruits and vegatables very inexpensive. The restaurants were very good with all levels of cost. As with most of Panama, it was beautiful. I had no problem with internet connections. I kind of like the idea of being in a place where the wealthy folks go as I think I can expect better services - electric, water, etc. to be more consistent. also I think the roads were better in that area. A ver nice small town feel to the place. Slow paced.

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dizzylizzy
10/6/2011 13:43 EST

Hi Mark,

Can you ponder on this.... there are 2 sides to me. One who wants the peace, view, chickens and veggie plot... the other that feels that I am too young yet and still want the buzz of a city life... How would you compare El Valle to Panama City and if you did not have young children - would you choose the City?

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mcassa
10/6/2011 17:27 EST

Mark & Dizzy ~ Can you tell me what the annual rainfall in El Valle is and what are its rainy season months. TY!

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802mark

From: Panama
10/6/2011 22:10 EST

Great now move here

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802mark

From: Panama
10/6/2011 22:12 EST

mary if your picks are between panama and mexico then don't worry about our internet hook up, worry about if a drug dealer will kill you or not..

or internet hook up and our weather is better then in the u.s.. it never snows here.... it rains.. wow rain...

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802mark

From: Panama
10/6/2011 22:18 EST

o LORD I WANT MY CAKE AND EAT IT TOO..... Take your time and stay in the city for a while.. you will like it and cuss it... then come up here..

what I do if I go nuts I go to the city a hour and a half away spend the night, and I can't wait to come bcak to el valle..

if you really think about it, you spend most of your life within a 30 mile circle..

once you mov here it takes time for you to down shift your life, once you do you won't want to leave the valle .. until that happens you will go nuts and beg for the noise..

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802mark

From: Panama
10/6/2011 22:21 EST

around 5 months a year it rains here. it's not a big deal.... small price to pay for living in a garden..

its not everyday.. we have not had rain for two days... it's a rain forest right? it rains.. move to AZ.

when I first moved here I ran from it, now I walk in it, no big deal... it's rain..

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SILVEREAGLE
10/7/2011 10:07 EST

A WHILE BACK I READ (IT MAY HAVE BEEN YOU MARK) THE RAIN THERE WAS KIND OF LIKE FLA.

DURRING OUR RAINY SEASON IT MOSTLY RAINS MID AFTERNOON, AND IN A HR. OR TWO THE SUN IS SHINING AND IT IS DRY AGAIN.

ONCE IN A WHILE IT WILL RAIN ALL DAY, OR TWO DAYS, BUT THAT IS RARE. LIKE YOU SAY, NO BIG DEAL.

WOUNDERING IF THIS IS CORRECT?

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802mark

From: Panama
10/7/2011 10:50 EST

Thats pretty much right. Today no rain so far, clear skys and the sun is out. the other day it came down pretty hard for about a hour or two and then stopped. it's really not a big deal.

I understand when people read 5 months of rain that it could make you think, wow that could be depressing sitting inside all that time, cabin fever ect. but it's really not like that. you can plan your day pretty much and go do whatever you wish.

you might have to dodge that hour or two but then your able to enjoy your day.

another thing is if it's rainning here then go down to the beach where it won't be and enjoy your day there.

I think for me anyway, I would put up with the rain a lot more then I could put up with cold, snow and ice for 4 months.

with the price of power and heating oil that is going up you will save a lot of money living here during the winter season.

any of you who love to garden will be very happy here, crops, or flowers grow very well here and very fast.

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corinna
10/7/2011 13:10 EST

Hi Mark and everyone in the El Valle area,
We love the rain-great time to read, use the internet and best of all nap. I do have a few questions about the fauna though. In this region/altitude of Panama are there crocodiles in area rivers and lakes? We love to swim, in particular to snorkel. My mother was watch youtube videos and stumbled upon quite a few videos of "Tito" the crocodile of Isla Coiba. And while we have snorkel amongst sharks (reef) we DO NOT want to snorkel with the crocodiles. And the second question is have you or do you know of anyone who has come across a fer-de-lance viper? We also love to hike and are considering getting snake leg guards "just in case". We recently read a blog from a man who is building his home from shipping containers. He had a fer-de-lance get into his home during the night (possibly from under a door-he is unsure) and bite his cat. We are not alarmists but just want to be prepared. I just imagine with all the opportunities to garden, there mustn't be a problem or am I wrong? Any advice is always appreciated!
Best wishes,
Corinna

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802mark

From: Panama
10/7/2011 13:53 EST

yes there are crocks in the waters here. We fish on lake gutan and have seen one small one there. but we have also seen many young kids that swim in that lake everyday. I have never heard of any report of anyone being eaten or attacked by one down here in my 6 years thou.

many places that you would go snorkel, your not likey to find any thou, most crocks are found in the canal itself and that's not a place your going to be in the water.

we dived off the coast of colon last year and the water there was clear and nice, only thing I saw that was harmful was a small stone fish. in el valle the rivers here are not really large enough to swim in, most are mere creeks that we dam up to make the water back up so you can swim in them. then down the mountain you have ocean, it's ok to swim in and the sand is clean, but the water is not clear due to the mud that is washed out from the mountains into it. you would have to take a boat out a ways to get into clearer water.

snakes,, yes I know the man your talking about. I have also found one in my yard as well as a coral snake. they are here, but they are not something your going to run into a lot.

my yard man has worked this place for 50 years, sticking his hands into bushes and flower beds all over my yard and has never been bitten by any type of snake. I think getting snake guards would be a bit over kill.

unless you plan on hiking into the raw jungle itself. climbing up and over trees and rocks ect. most paths here are well used by people as well as trucks.

Another thing I want to point out is that most all homes here have yardmen that take care of the place and they all know what type of snakes are bad and they kill most all they come across, hawks here will eat one fast as well.

I went a few years back for a hike down the main river here, it was awesome, I had walked down it a while and there were some green vines hanging down I had to duck under a few and when I stood up a green vine snake hung down to be eye to eye with me. He was trying to ask me something I think, all I remember saying was SHI@@@@ as my body some how moved back 10 ft without me knowing it.

I treat them all the same if I see one I kill it, I know that's not right on my part but by me not knowing the good ones from the bad and with little ones running around all over the place I can't afford to let one go.

the croc video your watching is tito she is a crock that they have been feeding for a long time and used as toursit attraction in the park. Don't think that there are many crocks in that area.

back home we had cotton mouth and rattle snakes and a few spiders that were really bad as well. so the trade off isn't that bad.

even getting hit by a fer-de- lance isn't going to kill you. a lady got hit by one a few years ago and is fine. you do need medical help but it's not a sure death thing.

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corinna
10/7/2011 16:56 EST

Hi Mark,
Thanks for your reply. I knew crocs and vipers and other creepy crawlies were going to be inevitable. I was just sort of hoping not so much in the El Valle area as in others. I was in Curacao in a private rental and there was a scorpion the size of my hand that actually stalked me in the laundry room. My blood curdling scream cracked a few windows. I was afraid to go around barefoot after that and never put my feet into shoes without shaking them aggressively and any clothes left draped over furniture. I would die a little death if anything bit my cat. She is strictly indoor only and I plan on making sure all nooks and crannies are blocked from any critters coming in. We do plan to hike alot - maybe I will just let my mom walk in front of me :) We will probably be the talk of the town "2 crazy gringas in snake guards". I am not big on pain, especially the venomous type. Perhaps I can carry a kit with anti-venom, morphine and a snickers bar just in case. I don't want to be the first casualty in El Valle from snake bite nor the first from croc attack. Thanks for letting me ramble. Its exciting even talking about this just knowing that we will be there soon!
Best wishes,
Corinna

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802mark

From: Panama
10/7/2011 17:14 EST

Now that's funny!! snickers new ad, got snake bit because your mom knew all along why you wanted her to walk the trail first, and stepped over the snake without pointing it out to you??? have a snickers!!!

no crocks here in el valle yeeahhh!!

but yes shake out shoes and other stuff for sure, we found a small scorpion in the bathroom last week.

I have two cats as well, and they have never been harmed by anything here.

I would put you being killed while hiking in the mountains being hit by lighting far above being killed by a snake. that has happen here.

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corinna
10/7/2011 17:44 EST

Hey Mark,
I probably wouldn't have to hike so much if I didn't eat so many snickers! So, if I do get bit by a snake it would be inadvertantly due to the damn snickers. I could sue. Actually, I would probably be bit by a snake and hit by lightening. Murphy's Law was written after me.
I just bought a great camera that I don't know how to use but have just started lessons in an adult ed. class. I hope to be taking a gazillion pictures so I can send them back home to all the people who think we are crazy for moving to Panama.
Cheers,
Corinna

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eelydnew1
10/8/2011 07:57 EST

Oh Corinna, our friends also think we have early stages of Dementia for deciding to move to Panama - they simply cannot fathom why anyone would ever even consider this. Like most others who make the move it is instigated by big government and financial. And whereas our friends find the prospect daunting and dibilitating we are excitedlty looking forward to change and adventure.

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kfmellis
10/8/2011 08:14 EST

Triple ditto.

Kathy

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corinna
10/8/2011 10:49 EST

This move has been over a year in the making. Reading and pouring over any and all information in any source we could find. I wanted to go in with eyes wide open knowing all the good and bad and inbetween. I know there will be obstacles but also many opportunities. I am looking forward to reclaiming my health and happiness which I've sadly neglected. If others can't be happy for us and wish us well, then that is okay. I know I am doing what is best for me and am so happy and excited that it will soon be a reality.
Maybe we can all get together for a "Hah! Look at us now!" party ;)
Best wishes,
Corinna

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802mark

From: Panama
10/8/2011 11:21 EST

The shoe you wear fits your foot perfect, but if I tried it on I might not be able to get my big foot inside it. It works out great for you for me not so good. It's the same in life, your doing something bold and outside the box that they call their comfort zone. to them your crazy to do it, but I for one am glad you have a desire to see and do something other then the norm.

when I first when to colombia my friends got together and we had a party, they all told me I would be killed there and not to go. some even sat down and tried to talk me out of going, and when they knew I was going no matter what, one said well can I have your bass boat?

when I did return with the love of my life on my arm, we had another party and those same old good ole boy's all took me aside and wanted to know when I was going back and could they go with me.

most people have their heads down, they work and they try to make it each day. they live for the weekend and it's gone far to fast. Time fly's by and they become deeper and deeper inside that rut.

most people will spend a large percentage of their lives within a 35 mile circle.

don't live with a regret, do whatever your heart tells you to do. it might turn out it was the wrong thing, but then again it might be the best thing you ever did with your life. at least by trying you will know one way or the other.

I stand and yell GOOD FOR YOU GUYS. two crazy american ladies wearing snake stopper boots, with a case of candy bars and armed with a fly swatter, chopping a path just to see whats on the other side..

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corinna
10/8/2011 11:42 EST

Mark - I can't tell you how much your rousing endorsement means to us. You, out of all our friends and family, are the one and only who has said "good for you - I hope you are happy". Thank you for that.
Sincerely,
Corinna
Your soon to be El Valle compatriot. I will lead our hikes - never fear!

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llollichops
10/8/2011 12:47 EST

Hi Corrina!!

I also say "Good for you!!" I too am in a similar postion and have been planning a move to Panama for some time now. I've gotten mixed responses to say the least. People think I'm crazy to give up my good job, good life etc. All I know is I never feel as happy as I do when I'm there so I know I'm on the right path. I've travelled around the country a bit and one place is nicer than the other. The people are wonderful and in a short time I have made some really deep connections w/ expats and locals alike. Everything just feels right and I can't wait to make it all happen next year!! Forget what people say and follow your heart. It will never lead you astray. Btw, I'm also in NY if you ever want to "compare notes". I could talk about Panama for hours!! Lol!!

Cheers!!

Cynthia*

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corinna
10/8/2011 16:45 EST

Hi Cynthia,
We are from Suffolk County Long Island NY. Thank you too for the support. I will be giving in my notice at work next month and am counting down the days. We will be taking one suitcase to check in and one cat carrier as our carry-on. The rest we will have shipped once we find a place to rent. Basically we are selling everything except for about 15 boxes worth - mainly clothes, personal items, snorkeling equipment. My mother wants to bring her bright pink wet suit. Mark will probably get a chuckle out of that. She hopes the garish color will deter any salt water crocs. I love my computer and plan on shipping it. I guess the smart thing for us as we will be renting furnished and perhaps buy furnished sometime in the future after getting a feel for all areas is to just leave everything behind and just buy as we need it. But some things have strong sentimental value and I would hate to leave them behind. So hence the 15 boxes. We are having a huge yard sale next week. It will be a colossal pain in my booty and I would really like to donate everything to a local charity but maybe if we make a few bucks I can put it towards the cats plane tickets. I will definitely keep in touch. Maybe during the rainy days I will try my hand at a blog. I'm hoping to get really proficient with my new camera so I will be able to post my pictures there. I will probably pee my pants the first time I see a sloth. I secretly want to save and raise an orphan after seeing a woman in Costa Rica rehabilitating them. Adorable just doesn't do them justice. And they poop once a week, unlike my beloved cat Bella who clears a room with her twice daily BMs. Well, I love to ramble but should stop.
Take care.........Corinna

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802mark

From: Panama
10/8/2011 17:03 EST

I have a wild sloth that stays pretty much in my yard in a tree by the creek. be advised you can't keep one as a pet.

locals call them the devil's child and I have seen a few dead ones that have tried to cross roads. I have even stopped a few times and moved them out of the road.

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mcassa
10/8/2011 17:48 EST

REGARDING WEATHER:

DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A SITE WHERE I CAN GATHER THE CURRENT WEATHER CONDITIONS OF EL VALLE? ALSO, WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF EL VALLE? I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL GENERAL SITES WITH THIS INFO, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR EL VALLE.

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corinna
10/8/2011 18:27 EST

Hi Mark,
I can't wait to get pictures - you may see me lurking in your yard trying to get a few shots. Yes, I wouldn't think of keeping one as a pet. But it doesn't stop me from wanting to hold a baby after watching the orphan rehab video. It's my inner Dr. DooLittle thing. (excluding vipers and crocs of course!) The sun sets and rises around my cat and believe me I know how crazy that may seem and my mother cringes when I start to show off her baby pictures. What can I say, I don't have any kids - she's it. I will stop now because of the wierd vibes I might be sending out!
Off to work...Have a good night.
Corinna

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llollichops
10/8/2011 18:44 EST

Hi Corrina!! (and Mark too :)

I'm so excited for you. I can't wait till the day comes that I give my notice at work. That will be a very happy day!! Love the pink wet suit!! Your mom sounds like a pip!! Panamanians are very colorful people so they should get a kick out of her. Just smile and say buenos!! My boyfrind and I definitely stick out being NYC musician, artist types. One trip someone called out that my BF looked like Micheal Jackson. Lol!! We both looked at each other like-what?? First of all we're both white and he bears no resemblence aside from the fact that he was wearing black and has longish hair. We both got a chuckle.

Regarding the cat... did you get all the paperwork in order so that you won't have any issues when you arrive at the airport? They make you jump through a lot of hoops and the last thing I would want is for you to have any problems. If you need the info involved I can gladly write to you offline or call you to go over all the details. I'm a huge animal lover and will be bringing 9 with me, a bird and an iguana. That's going to be fun!! So I've researched the topic quite a bit. When I finally move to Panama I want to start an animal sancuary of sorts which will probably happen quite naturally as I could never turn away a little one in need. Some of you may have heard this but I often joke w/ my boyfriend that he shouldn't be suprised if I come home with a sloth one day!! "Well what was I supposed to do? He fell out of a tree and I couldn't just leave him there!!" I also too think they are the most adorable creatures.

I'm glad you're taking your time about finding a place that's right for you. Sounds like you have a good plan. El Valle is wonderful. Stayed there for about a week the first time we travelled to the country. Unfortunately it's a bit too expensive for us but we loved the vibe there. We chose Dolega which is on the other side of the country btween Boquete and David. I didn't think I would like Boquete bc of all the expats but found it to be a very pleasant area overall. And for business purposes am glad it will be close by.

Well I'm starting to ramble, like I mentioned I can talk about Panama for hours.

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llollichops
10/8/2011 18:45 EST

Hi Corrina!! (and Mark too :)

I'm so excited for you. I can't wait till the day comes that I give my notice at work. That will be a very happy day!! Love the pink wet suit!! Your mom sounds like a pip!! Panamanians are very colorful people so they should get a kick out of her. Just smile and say buenos!! My boyfrind and I definitely stick out being NYC musician, artist types. One trip someone called out that my BF looked like Micheal Jackson. Lol!! We both looked at each other like-what?? First of all we're both white and he bears no resemblence aside from the fact that he was wearing black and has longish hair. We both got a chuckle.

Regarding the cat... did you get all the paperwork in order so that you won't have any issues when you arrive at the airport? They make you jump through a lot of hoops and the last thing I would want is for you to have any problems. If you need the info involved I can gladly write to you offline or call you to go over all the details. I'm a huge animal lover and will be bringing 9 with me, a bird and an iguana. That's going to be fun!! So I've researched the topic quite a bit. When I finally move to Panama I want to start an animal sancuary of sorts which will probably happen quite naturally as I could never turn away a little one in need. Some of you may have heard this but I often joke w/ my boyfriend that he shouldn't be suprised if I come home with a sloth one day!! "Well what was I supposed to do? He fell out of a tree and I couldn't just leave him there!!" I also too think they are the most adorable creatures.

I'm glad you're taking your time about finding a place that's right for you. Sounds like you have a good plan. El Valle is wonderful. Stayed there for about a week the first time we travelled to the country. Unfortunately it's a bit too expensive for us but we loved the vibe there. We chose Dolega which is on the other side of the country btween Boquete and David. I didn't think I would like Boquete bc of all the expats but found it to be a very pleasant area overall. And for business purposes am glad it will be close by.

Well I'm starting to ramble, like I mentioned I can talk about Panama for hours.

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802mark

From: Panama
10/9/2011 00:59 EST

This country is really small but the weather can change in a 20 mile spread so your not really going to find a weather report on el valle alone.. http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/78806.html best web site for it thou.

we are sitting around 2200 ft above sea level.. that's a guess

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susanellen40
10/9/2011 12:39 EST

Hi Corinna,

Figured I would join in to the discussion as well, sine we have a lot in common! I am also a (native) NY'er (NYC and Rockland County), but have lived all over the US, most recently in TN.

My husband Tom will be arriving in Panama in mid-Jan, 2012, with plans to make El Vallle our "base of operations" while we explore Panama, parts of CA and SA (Ecuador. Peru, Bolivia and an Amazon cruise from Iquitos to Belem, Brazil will be our first journey).

We aren't really retiring (not able to financially or mentally!), but we are making a very deliberate life change to a much-less consumptive existence. So, we hope that we can relax, travel and enjoy each other and friends we meet along the way until the money runs out or we figure out a way to make a living and stay down there.

Much of our move is motivated by our disappointment in the US gov't, how our tax money is spent, the high cost of "living", and our disgust with the way our social security money has been squandered --for a start!

But, we also are motivated to see CA and SA...we've never been, and we have a huge "bucket list" of things to do and see.

We are looking forward to meeting you and your mom when we arrive in El Valle! I hope we can gt together for some hikes, beach outings, wine drinking (or whatever your pleasure)! Tom and I are meeting up with Dizzy Lizzy in PTY, buying a car, and we are all headed out to El Valle at the end of January. You should be settled in by then, so look for us in town!

BTW -the sloth rescue in CR looks amazing...we wrote to them to find out if we could just come for 1 week as volunteers (they want you to come for 2 weeks and it's somewhat pricey), but I never heard back! But, there is a wildlife rescue in Panama too, and they have all sorts of animals...including baby anteaters! I also long to cuddle a sloth, so you're not alone.

Best,

Susan

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susanellen40
10/9/2011 12:44 EST

LOL --forgot to mention how excited we are to be giving notices at work...I get to to it twice, since I have a main job, and a part time job at SteinMart to earn extra dough for our adventure! My husband plans to burn his work clothes, probably with some ritualistic rum ceremony involved!

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mcassa
10/9/2011 18:38 EST

802Mark ~

TY for the weather/elevation input. When I entered El Valle, Panama in the site you recommended it was not recognized. Is there another location other than El Valle that the site recognizes & is nearer to El Valle than Panama City?

mcassa

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corinna
10/9/2011 19:46 EST

Hi Susan,
Our bucket list is more realistically a teacup list in relation to our financial situation. I would love to visit the Cook Islands or cruise to small ports around the world to experience different cultures but I haven't been so lucky winning the lottery yet. But with that being said I know my teacup will runneth over with the experiences and relationships I will be able to cultivate in Panama. There is another Panama forum that I also used to read religiously but as of late the comments are extremely negative & anti-Panama which is disturbing. There is good and bad throughout the world in every place, but if they so vehemently hate it, why stay? I skim over most of the caustic rant and try to glean as much important information as possible. I am the captain of my own ship and responsible for making my own happiness and man o' man I plan on being HAPPY! I would love to meet up with anyone and everyone. Still looking for a place to rent though. I've gotten quite a few leads. There is so much to accomplish as the date draws closer. I need a snickers....purely medicinal of course :)

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corinna
10/9/2011 20:06 EST

llollichops - You are a brave (or crazy) soul for bringing 9 cats plus a bird and iguana. We plan on having one each in the cabin with us. And yes the hoops to jump through are daunting to say the least. The 10 day time frame to get all the paper work signed by personal vet, USDA vet and Panamanian Consulate in NY has me a bit stressed. I have a pretty good grasp on everything that is entailed. My personal choice not to ship them with a pet relocation company stems from my obsessive need to have my Bella in hands reach at all times.
El Valle will be our starting point. No telling how long we will stay there until we try out the next area. I like the idea of living in a temperate climate with the ability to drive to the beach. We will also be going to Volcan and other areas in the Chiriqui provence. We will rent in various places until we find the right fit and then hopefully buy a forever home. I want to be in the midst of monkeys, sloths, birds, butterflies, etc.
I would like to be active in a spay and neuter program. And volunteer in a school, orphanage or hospital. I need to fill my depleted soul. Man I am so melodramatic!
I really do hope to meet up with you in the future.
Best wishes,
Corinna

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corinna
10/9/2011 20:19 EST

Susan- So you will be buying a car in Panama City? Do you have any idea what kind? I will be looking at small 4x4's. Probably a 2dr Suzuki Jimmy. Something as inexpensive as possible but that is an automatic, has A/C, high ground clearance and will be reliable because I know nothing mechanical and I doubt Triple AAA will come to my rescue. I am afraid to buy used and inherit someone else's issues so feel safer with new. We plan on arriving in PTY and staying there for 2 to 3 weeks and with my lawyer and her team's help get as much accomplished as possible ie visa applications, bank accounts, car purchase and driver's licenses. I want to arrive in El Valle with most of that complete, only having to make a few trips back to attend to any outstanding legal issues.
Cheers,
Corinna

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802mark

From: Panama
10/9/2011 20:45 EST

Not that I know of, this one has radar showing the rain coming and what parts of the country it's hitting... it's so hard here to nail it down thou, I have seen it rain buckets here in el valle and then three miles away be high and dry.

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802mark

From: Panama
10/9/2011 20:56 EST

let me say this, a four door small pickup or a two door small pickup will come in handy more times then a suv that you can't fit that new sofa into.

2nd point you can't get a driver's lic. here until you get your approved full time visa.. and you won't get that in two to three weeks. more like 5 months or so.
even opening a bank account will take you a few weeks, if they open it then for you. they asked me for TWO letters from two banks I used in the u.s. that stated I was in good standing's and they had to be stamped.

also as someone else pointed out, once you file for your visa. and you plan on going back to the u.s. for whatever, you MUST get a muti visa pass to come and go while you wait for your visa paperwork to be approved, you go back and not have that it's a 2k fine.

about your pets,, you had better hire a pet relocation service to help you,, that doesn't mean your pets will be out of your hands, if you don't it will mean they will be.. a pet relocation service takes your paperwork, and clears the pets on this end,, they set up a vet to be at the airport to check the pets and then he stamps off on the paperwork, if not then your pets have to be locked up for 30 days to make sure they are healthy and not going crazy. so you might need to rethink that idea.

I used one and of course the vet didn't show up, but they talked to the people in charge and got me approved to take my cats home... without her they would have kept them..

all the things you want to be in the midst off you will find here in el valle, monkeys maybe not. but everything else you want and your list of vol. work you will find here.

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corinna
10/9/2011 22:50 EST

Thanks Mark,
I will rethink using the services of a pet relocation company to facilitate our entry.
We are open to the idea of a small pick-up but I don't foresee us moving many items that we can't fit into the trunk. I'm not into the heavy lifting lifestyle. All the patients I've lifted in the past 20yrs have ruined me for that. If lifting needs to be done for anything I will need to hire someone to help.
I will most likely drive for the 1st 90 days on my tourist visa. It might necessitate a trip to Costa Rica to reset it for driving purposes. My mom will be getting a pensionada visa and if a miracle occurs and she gets it within 90 days, I won't have to take a mini-vacation to CR. Our lawyer has been able to work miracles for others so we are keeping our fingers crossed. My visa will take much longer but I will have nothing but time.
As far as the banks, I have 2 bank ref. letters and 2 personal/professional letters all set up. I am just waiting for a closing date before I ask for them to be written in case something causes us to take longer than 90 days and they expire.
I have no immediate plans on leaving Panama but do know about needing a Multi-Visa or facing a $2000 fine. I would have to find the equivalent of St. Francis to take care of my cats before I did more than an overnight trip so one of us will always stay home.
So there are no monkeys in the El Valle area? I was looking forward to the Howlers howling.
Corinna

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llollichops
10/10/2011 00:01 EST

Lake Gatune for Howler Monkeys. I know the perfect place!! Google Jungleland Explorers. The overnite is a bit expensive but worth every penny. You'll be in the middle of a remote area on a floating lodge. Nothing like it in the world!! The sound of howlers echoing in the distance like a pack of dogs lulling you to sleep or in the early morning. Ahhh wish I was there now!!

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yesdon
10/10/2011 03:08 EST

Hi, Mark, and others,

I am looking to take an exploratory trip in the next
2 months or sooner. I am a single male with my own small business in USA. I am going to be looking for a place to stay for about a month or so. I also want to travel around to look at the country. Any ideas of places to stay for short term rental? Also, any info would be appreciated from anyone in the USA who has traveled to Panama.

Don
yesdon7@yahoo.com

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802mark

From: Panama
10/10/2011 11:21 EST

That's great sounds like your on your game. howler monkey's are fun to hear them ONCE... after that they are a pain in the bu@@ they will scream and keep you up all hours of the night, they are worse then a pack on barking dogs. what will be new and fun at first will turn into a nightmare over time.

If you want a monkey as a pet there are people here that can get you one. My friend ty has one he is trying to train its the small white faced one. you have to get their main two teeth pulled out, or they can give you a bad bite.

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802mark

From: Panama
10/10/2011 11:38 EST

hey don, I tried twice to email you at that address, both times it came back.. I even took the space out of your name and it still came back write me at ricobreeze@aol.com

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llollichops
10/10/2011 22:08 EST

Hi Mark,

Where I come from the sound of howler monkeys is music to my ears!! Keep in mind that I'm an urban bird from NYC that hears the sounds of noise and traffic pretty much all hours of the night. Howlers are a much welcomed change. I don't think I could ever get sick of that....I would never purchase a monkey btw. I would of course take in a rescue w/ the hopes of rehibilitating them to later release back into the wild if they were able, if not I would gladly look after them to keep them out of harm's way. Yup I'm one of those!! :))

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802mark

From: Panama
10/10/2011 22:38 EST

yes I can understand the giving up of the noise in new york and thinking that it's peaceful and to hear a howler would be nice.. the problem is for me anyway that tends to dry up pretty fast and then it becomes a pain.

When I moved into a home I bought in colombia there was this bird that flew into the trees in the back yard, and would make a call that sounded like a firetruck or police siren, it was cool at first until a few of his friends started to show up as well and they drove me nuts.

anyway if you love it that's all that matters.

"I never said it was going to be easy I just said it would be worth it." love that saying!!!

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Rueann
9/21/2014 13:35 EST

Wow! I am in Southern California and am also looking at El Valle de Anton. I would like 2 bedrms, 1 ba., and around $600 to $800. At least partly furnished. I have noticed Boquete also. Will be traveling to Panama in early October to look around. If anyone out there knows anything, please share. Also, would there not be areas close to these towns where rentals would be less?
Ruth

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jonoyakker
9/21/2014 22:56 EST

Everyone and their brother has been looking for a place here-and this is the slow season...although most have been looking for small places so you might have luck. I would join here and post: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/El_Valle/info

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jonoyakker
9/21/2014 22:59 EST

Sure-El Valle is surrounded by tiny communities but there are very few expats that live in them with the exception of Altos de Maria. Check that out. They also have a Yahoo group. Do a search here as well.

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horsecounsellor
11/17/2015 12:57 EST

Are there howler monkeys in El Valle? We are soon to be expats from Canada.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
11/17/2015 18:46 EST

ahhh I was wondering why this old post was back on front page, that was back in my 802mark posting days. first off we don't have any howler monkeys here at all. I don't even think that type is in our zoo.. people say they would love to see them and live among them, but they are worse then a barking dog or rooster ever thought about being. I saw a wild spider monkey a few years ago that made our place his or her home for about 4 months but moved on. and while this post was about rentals,, I have a two bedroom apt, one bath for rent long term only for 650 per month. furnished, free wifi swimming pool, hot water, 24 7 manager on site as well as a camera system, center of town, about 5 acres of land around it. it's a hostel on one side, so you can meet new people all the time from all over the world. we have work out eqt. you can use, a huge game room, with ping pong, big screen tv, pool table darts, books, ect/ you only pay your gas and I what ever tv package you want,, yes there is a big screen tv in your apt. we have four apts. in all three are already rented out to three old american men. plus we have a restaurant out front that serves great food and drinks. you are about a block away from the honk hong market, three blocks from the new rey shopping mall, and the other way about 3 blocks from the open aired market. very safe el valle. right now it's 73 degrees.. ahhhh

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horsecounsellor
11/17/2015 21:15 EST

Thank you for your reply. May I please have your contact information to see the rental? We are in town your way Dec 12-16th staying at Dennis Wenthold's casitas. My e-mail is horsecounsellor@me.com. We are quiet ,professional non-smokers,no pets. Thank you, Kim www.panamaexpatquest.com

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jonoyakker
11/20/2015 13:58 EST

If anyone is looking for a 1BR or a private room in a house located in El Valle, shoot me a personal message for more info.

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horsecounsellor
11/21/2015 18:53 EST

We are looking, but do not know our dates for long term. We are a quiet non smoking professional couple from Canada. We are in el Valle from Dec 12-16 Warmly. Kim horsecounsellor@me.com

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jonoyakker
11/22/2015 18:56 EST

I believe you are referring to Cabanas Potosi. Nice place, nice people. But out of the way...

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llseldon
11/22/2015 20:47 EST

FYI El Valle:
1 ½ hour drive west of Panama City located in an extinct volcano crater, known for its week end “Flea Markets”, cooler temperatures & Eco environment.
Website: http://www.el-valle-panama.com/

Hotels & B&Bs info:
1. Hotel Campestre 983-6146
Recently remodeled, one of the oldest hotels in El Valle built in 1939 has 20+ rooms with private baths.
http://hotelcampestre.com/ Tel: 983-6135
Email: Hotel Campestre;

2. Anton Valley Hotel
Tel. 983-6097 or 983-5118
This is located in front of the Catholic Church and has an excellent restaurant.
http://antonvalleyhotel.com/contact.htm

3. Hotel y Restaurante Valle Verde Formerly known as Hotel Los Capitanes, renamed and under new management. http://www.hotel-valleverde.com/ // reservas@hotel-valleverde.com

Nuevo Sitio Web: · http://el-valle-panama.com/
Teléfono: (+507) 983-6080
Teléfono Celular: (+507) 647-18250 Great restaurant. I consider this to be a very special place with a very special atmosphere.

4. The Golden Frog Inn: Under new management
8 rooms, Suites
One of the nicest places to stay. Pleasant, huge pool, fireplaces.
One of my favorites.
Phone: 983-6117 Cell Phone: 6565-8307
goldenfroginn@yahoo.com
http://www.goldenfroginn.com/lodging.html

5. Hotel Rincon Vallero:
14 Rooms Tel #: 983-6175/264-9119 / 983-6791 Includes breakfast.
Info: info@centroderesservas.net and their website is at http://hotelrinconvallero.com/ Excellent restaurant.

6. Park Eden Bed & Breakfast:
5 rooms Tel #: 983-6167 / 226-8858 / 6695-6190
Info:
www.parkeden.com & parkeden@cwpanama.net 5+ rooms, includes full breakfast for 2 persons per room, additional cost per each additional person. No restaurant.

7. La Casa de Lourdes
El Valle de Antón, Panama Hotel: 983-6645 Restaurant: 983-6450
Info@lacasadelourdes.com http://www.lacasadelourdes.com/
Gourmet breakfast included...exclusive cuisine & accommodations...where the IN people dine. Best restaurant and best hotel complex in the area. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in style. The Casa de Lourdes has available rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant owned and run by Lourdes Fabrega de Ward.

8. Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa
(adjacent and part of a magnificent complex with Casa de Lourdes)
Boutique Hotel & Restaurante http://www.losmandarinos.com/
info@losmandarinos.com Hotel: 983-6645 / 6808-2743
Best hotel complex in the area. Hotel has beautiful buildings, very nice accommodations, Irish Pub, Pool, & restaurant. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in at the sister complex, The Casa de Lourdes and stay at either Casa de Lourdes which also has several rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant, or they stay at Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa. which is a complex of Italian style buildings providing 31 guest rooms with magnificent accommodations, spa, pool, Irish pub, + restaurant. Not inexpensive, but the finer moments in our lives usually aren't cheap.

9. Crater Valley Adventure Spa:
8 Rooms Tel #: 983-6942 / 215-2325 / Fax 215-2329
http://www.crater-valley.com/
info@crater-valley.com Tel #: 215-2325 / 215-2328 & 983-6942
Fax: 215-2329 Among the best in El Valle. Has pool, sauna, massage parlor, beauty saloon, and lush grounds. Expect it to be pricey, but worth it. Good restaurant.
10. Cabañas Potosi
Tel # 983-6181/ 6946-6148
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/cabanas-potosi/
e-mail: cabanas.potosi@elvalle.com.pa

11. Hostal Cariguana
Tel # 983-6269 6598-5122
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g635545-d1958890-Reviews- Hostal_Cariguana-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province.html
12. Hotel Don Pepe
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/hotel-don-pepe/
Hotel Don Pepe +507 983-6425 (After 6pm call +507 983-6835 )
13. Casa de Pietra
Cell phone: 6675-6901
http://www.casadipietra.
https://www.facebook.com/casadipietrapanama/info?tab=overview

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
11/22/2015 22:05 EST

one you didn't list, is the Windmillhostel.com 6 344 1199
One and two bedroom apts.to rent. plus a huge hostel. 8 bathrooms, hot water, full kitchen, game room, pool table ping pong, tv, swimming pool, with a huge common area, wi fi. laundry service, 24 bunk beds, 14 private rooms. charge is 16.50 per person includes tax. free breakfast, and a restaurant out front. one bedroom apt. 550.00 two bedroom 650.00 fully furnished, even a big screen tv. they pay all but your gas and cable package, but wi=fi is free. very safe, on main street. walk to everything. quiet, manager lives on site. 24 hour cameras.

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llseldon
11/23/2015 08:23 EST

Thanks RICOBREEZE802MARK I will add them to my list in EV, didn't find a website on the internet, do you know if they have one? PL

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Sojourner44
2/20/2016 13:50 EST

Corrina, hi, I just got back to Patrick Air Force Base marina in Florida from a 10 day scouting trip to Panama. I discovered Anton Valley on my 4th day and stayed at Posada Los Aramos for six days until I came home. I plan on returning to Panama around May and will rent the same apt for two months at $400 to give me a chance tip look for a house to rent or share there in Anton Valley. I have the number of the rental agent for Los Aramos. They have apts and even houses on a hectare of paradise; furnished and from a single bedroom with kitchen and bath to3and4bedrooms. I loved it there and I love El Valle.

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rescue
2/20/2016 19:07 EST

hi, does this realtor have a website

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Kimcolbert
3/9/2018 12:26 EST

I've been here 3 years. The answers to your questions are: yes, yes, and yes

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jonoyakker
3/10/2018 11:32 EST

I would say in response to an earlier post about El Valle rentals being expensive, that has changed as more places have come on the market. For instance, I will have a studio available June 1, fully furnished with all utilities and good wifi for $475/mo.

In my opinion, El Valle is the most beautiful and possibly the friendliest place in Panama.

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panamajames
3/10/2018 11:39 EST

I agree with Jonoyakker. I like El Valley a lot and it is getting to that season where the rental prices are going down for low season all over Panama. A decent rental in Boquete is still over $600 a month.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/11/2018 03:30 EST

in the 475.-- range that will get you a small hut in someone's back yard. if you are looking to rent a whole house it will cost more. some where close to 1k to 1500.00 why so high? well 11 years ago you could buy a home here for 150k a nice home, that same size home new people are asking 475k for it. one reason is everything has gone up in price, building materials, labor ect. labor cost 11 years ago was 8.00 per man, now it's around 24.00 a block was 40 cents now it's almost 1.00 loaf of bread was .50 now 2.10. that is why. homes here for the main part, the nicer ones at least are owned by very wealth people from panama. and they don't like to turn lose of a home their family built. another reason is this area is only so big, last I checked they aren't making any more land and adding it to this place. boquete has a lot of land it covers but the gringo's have blown those prices out the roof.

wait till the deal is signed with china for a new rail road to be built across panama, local government has already started to swing the doors wipe open for them to flood in without much of the red tape. and when that happens many will be bought out. already in el valle the chino's own just about all of the business on main street. all the good size grocery stores out side of rey's they own, they own both gas stations, they own all the taxi's in town and many of the buses. all the building supplies places they own. I'm just waiting on one to pull into my place and write a big enough check and i will be gone in the wind.

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mghinton
3/11/2018 09:21 EST

can be 3 hours from panamA city so not really close as you say ,, if there is an accident on the road to autipista can be 4 or 5 hours FYI

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jonoyakker
3/11/2018 09:36 EST

I can drive to the city in 2 hours, driving leisurely. Or, I can be there using the bus in 2 1/2 hours. As for accidents on the road, that can happen anywhere...

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jonoyakker
3/11/2018 09:39 EST

With real estate, its all about location, location...if you want to live in a beautiful place, with pleasant temps, amenities like shopping, and where there are other expats to socialize with, you have to pay the piper. Having said all that, there are certainly deals to be had on rentals and purchases in El Valle because the market is soft right now.

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llseldon
3/11/2018 11:55 EST

El Valle:
1 ½ hour drive west of Panama City located in an extinct volcano crater, known for its week end “Flea Markets”, cooler temperatures & Eco environment.
Website: http://www.el-valle-panama.com/

Hotels & B&Bs info:
1. Hotel Campestre 983-6146
Recently remodeled, one of the oldest hotels in El Valle built in 1939 has 20+ rooms with private baths.
http://hotelcampestre.com/ Tel: 983-6135
Email: Hotel Campestre;

2. Anton Valley Hotel
Tel. 983-6097 or 983-5118
This is located in front of the Catholic Church and has an excellent restaurant.
http://antonvalleyhotel.com/contact.htm

3. Hotel y Restaurante Valle Verde Formerly known as Hotel Los Capitanes, renamed and under new management. http://www.hotel-valleverde.com/ // reservas@hotel-valleverde.com

Nuevo Sitio Web: · http://el-valle-panama.com/
Teléfono: (+507) 983-6080
Teléfono Celular: (+507) 647-18250 Great restaurant. I consider this to be a very special place with a very special atmosphere.

4. The Golden Frog Inn: Under new management
8 rooms, Suites
One of the nicest places to stay. Pleasant, huge pool, fireplaces.
One of my favorites.
Phone: 983-6117 Cell Phone: 6565-8307
goldenfroginn@yahoo.com
http://www.goldenfroginn.com/lodging.html

5. Hotel Rincon Vallero:
14 Rooms Tel #: 983-6175/264-9119 / 983-6791 Includes breakfast.
Info: info@centroderesservas.net and their website is at http://hotelrinconvallero.com/ Excellent restaurant.

6. Park Eden Bed & Breakfast:
5 rooms Tel #: 983-6167 / 226-8858 / 6695-6190
Info:
www.parkeden.com & parkeden@cwpanama.net 5+ rooms, includes full breakfast for 2 persons per room, additional cost per each additional person. No restaurant.

7. La Casa de Lourdes
El Valle de Antón, Panama Hotel: 983-6645 Restaurant: 983-6450
Info@lacasadelourdes.com http://www.lacasadelourdes.com/
Gourmet breakfast included...exclusive cuisine & accommodations...where the IN people dine. Best restaurant and best hotel complex in the area. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in style. The Casa de Lourdes has available rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant owned and run by Lourdes Fabrega de Ward.

8. Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa
(adjacent and part of a magnificent complex with Casa de Lourdes)
Boutique Hotel & Restaurante http://www.losmandarinos.com/
info@losmandarinos.com Hotel: 983-6645 / 6808-2743
Best hotel complex in the area. Hotel has beautiful buildings, very nice accommodations, Irish Pub, Pool, & restaurant. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in at the sister complex, The Casa de Lourdes and stay at either Casa de Lourdes which also has several rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant, or they stay at Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa. which is a complex of Italian style buildings providing 31 guest rooms with magnificent accommodations, spa, pool, Irish pub, + restaurant. Not inexpensive, but the finer moments in our lives usually aren't cheap.

9. Crater Valley Adventure Spa:
8 Rooms Tel #: 983-6942 / 215-2325 / Fax 215-2329
http://www.crater-valley.com/
info@crater-valley.com Tel #: 215-2325 / 215-2328 & 983-6942
Fax: 215-2329 Among the best in El Valle. Has pool, sauna, massage parlor, beauty saloon, and lush grounds. Expect it to be pricey, but worth it. Good restaurant.
10. Cabañas Potosi
Tel # 983-6181/ 6946-6148
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/cabanas-potosi/
e-mail: cabanas.potosi@elvalle.com.pa

11. Hostal Cariguana
Tel # 983-6269 6598-5122
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g635545-d1958890-Reviews- Hostal_Cariguana-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province.html
12. Hotel Don Pepe
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/hotel-don-pepe/
Hotel Don Pepe +507 983-6425 (After 6pm call +507 983-6835 )
13. Casa de Pietra
Cell phone: 6675-6901
http://www.casadipietra.
https://www.facebook.com/casadipietrapanama/info?tab=overview

Note: There are many other nice Hotels in El Valle. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g635545-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province-Hotels.html

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/11/2018 12:10 EST

Yeah and if a huge hole opens up in front of your car while trying to go to the city and your car falls in it, you might never make it to the city. 127.4km 2hrs. 6 mins.

it's a soft market because at the prices some of these people are asking for their home here cost more then a larger nicer place in the u.s. used to be that people in the u.s. could sale their home there and move here and buy a place and have money left over to live off of a while. panama was cheaper then, not now. the prices have gone up a lot and its no longer a place for you to move to and save money. now I say that based on someone being middle to upper class. If you are living on 1,200.00 s.s check then of course you are living in a bad part of town in the u.s. and yes you could move here and pay 400.00 per month for a box in someone's back yard, which would be better, back in the u.s. 20 years ago I was renting out trailers in my park for 600.00 per month a 8 by 35ft trailer in a bad area of town to low class poor folks. so based on that to move here and end up in that box in a back yard for 400.00 is a huge step up for you.

like john said LOCATION. if you want to own a home in el valle or any other spot with a bunch of expats, with stores and places to go out to eat you will pay the price, if you want to go out in the middle of no where and live among the locals then yes you will pay a lot less for land or a home. you can buy land here for 2.00 per meter up to 10k per meter.
and before someone jumps on me and says I would rather live with the locals bla bla bla.. that can be a good thing and a really bad thing.. see no matter how good you are to them, no matter how much you try to fit in, you will never reach that level, you, even tho you are poor, to them ALL expats are rich. locals in a area are likely to be family members, and when times are tough you don't want to get caught stealing from a family member, BUT a gringo down the road? who is rich? yeah no one would blame you for that.

o is your water off during the dry season for a month? yeah they are use to it, are you? heavy rains washed out the bridge to get to your place? yeah look for the road crews to rush right over and fix that for ya. I know of one bridge in el valle that washed out, and that was 7 years ago and its just gone, ehhh drive around the other way, now its a dead end street.
now I always paint the dark side, why? because I don't want the older couple sitting in ohio right now thinking that panama is going to be a heaven place to live and sale all they have and move here and then run into many of the issues i have pointed out for years on here. once that honeymoon period is over that penny isn't as shiny as you thought it was. someone breaking in at 1 am.? calling the police here and thinking they are minutes away to come safe you is laughable, you better be able to deal with it on your own. big stand of my bamboo caught on fire last year, I called the fire dept. then I drove to the fire dept and got them, they followed me back in the fire truck, which of course would not pump water, so I sat and watched as one man took my garden hose and sprayed it. I told em to leave, let it burn. when I crashed my motorbike, I was found right away, the people called for a amblance, then called my family on my phone, they got there and told me later it took two hours for the meat wagon to pick me up , took me 30 km and demanded 400.00 cash. Now I was busted up, broken arm in two places, knocked out my teeth, knocked myself out, broke my left hip. but what if I had cut a main vein? I would have died right there, so I am telling that story to make you think about your health, here in the valle we have a little health center with two doctors on duty 24 7 but it is very limited to what they can do,, no xray machines, or much equipment at all. they can give you a shot, sew up a cut, deliver a baby, out side of that all other needs you must go elsewhere. heck they couldn't even cut my cast off my arm, I ended up doing it myself. I am not saying these guys are not great doctors tho, because they are, they just don't have the tools to do the whole job here. and you will find that in many places all over panama.

another thought is expat friends. see in your town you might have 400k people living there, well its pretty easy to have a long list of friends that you click with. here you have maybe 80 or so expats so at the end of the day you might find one or two you click with, and the rest don't want anything to do with you, I can count on one hand true friends I have here, of course I am a out spoken A@@ and worse then that I support TRUMP.. ahhhh booo hiisssss yeah I hear ya. you mix that in and that is why I have very few friends here. lol.

so what have we learned here today folks? if you want a city that never sleeps great night life stay in the city with 3 million people. but put up with noise, gridlocked traffic, long waits, over flowing sewers, hot weather. if you are looking for a slower pace where the sidewalks are rolled up at night and most everything is closed by 9 el valle is a good place, and panama has many degrees in between for you,

again one piece of advice I have given for over 11 years writing on this site,,, is to RENT RENT RENT a place, stay for a year, look around, smell it, taste it, live it, let that honeymoon be long gone, then roll over and look at it and ask, happy or not?

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bluewind
3/11/2018 18:21 EST

Very sorry to hear about your accident man. Sounded pretty bad. Also sorry to hear your ready to leave El Valle if the price is right. Things seemed to be going well for you when we met. Where would you move to if you leave Panama?

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jonoyakker
3/11/2018 19:20 EST

If it wasn't for the language issue, I would absolutely recommend someone of low income to move here. Why? First, unless you live in the boonies, you don't need a car. If you eat basic, food is cheaper and if you want, you can grow your own 365 days a year. If you live at elevation, you won't need heat or AC. Private medical insurance or care is much cheaper. Utilities are much cheaper too. Of course, you could say the same about Colombia, and even more so. But again the language issue...

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SAY
3/11/2018 20:39 EST

geez, Rico
I am one of your fans , but I have to ask if you forgot to eat your bran muffin today.
I rent a nice big 3 bedroom house for 300.00 a month
My town has a hospital, ambulance service, big fire and police departments and even wifi in downtown areas.
Moving to Panama was a really good decision for me, as for many others.

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salty70
3/11/2018 20:41 EST

Does anyone know about rentals in the Coranado beach area?

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salty70
3/11/2018 20:41 EST

Does anyone know about rentals in the Coranado beach area?

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 00:05 EST

no my girl only made me eggs and bacon.. how long along did you move here? my thing is I just don't want someone back in the states hanging on by a few dollars thinking they can move here and live cheap and have a better life, only to come here and then find out that its not the rose people make it out to be. yes 12 years ago I moved here and even then what I bought was 200k more then what I left and was half the house and 2 acres compared to 30. its not cheap. not anymore.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 00:13 EST

hey blue wind,, I am good now, that happen about a year ago, just trying to point out things here are not like they are in the u.s. if I sold out I can't leave panama I have two daughters here with the ex, 11 and 7 so I can't go, but I would down size. running this place with a full time yard man, a house maid, a cook, three builders, 2 cleaning maids a manager for my hostel, and owning a restaurant is more then I really wanted. I own three cars, one motor bike, one four wheeler and it seems every time I turn around its time to buy tags and ins. I would just buy a big house boat on the canal and fish, no workers no yard just fish.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 00:18 EST

windmill hostel, bunk beds starting at 16.50 per person. private rooms from 44 6 person rooms private baths, ac. swimming pool, hot water wi fi acres of open land. we have 30 rooms, over all,, game room pool table ping pong ect. right in the middle of town, two bbq outside kitchens by the pool, two full kitchens inside sat. always booked so book far ahead of time if you want a room. zapotes restaurant out front.

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llseldon
3/12/2018 08:15 EST

Ditto Riobreeze

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rrvantine
3/12/2018 08:52 EST

Thank You! I live on a small fixed income and really need the weather for medical reasons. Oh Well! I noticed expats talk to me until I tell them my income and ask if I can live on a modest income as a Tico. Never a response! Thanks again

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llseldon
3/12/2018 09:15 EST

rrvantine don’t believe IL or other crooks, Panama is not cheap to live unless you’re willing to live in the ghetto ‘& you’ll be robbed every other day. House most of us would live in.are $50k+ & electricity if expensive.

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Panamaholmes
3/12/2018 10:36 EST

I agree and do not think it is even a close call when compared to the U.S. Outside of the major cities, the U.S. is is pretty cheap, particularly for folks on a low fixed income b/c of federal, state and local benefits. Almost everything for sale at Walmart is cheaper than it is in Panama.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 10:40 EST

sorry that happen to you. yes what you saw is expats very very very willing to help you with all your needs because they are looking to make a buck off of you, even to the point of telling you lies to get you to come here.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 11:20 EST

There will only be a few things cheaper here in panama, health care will be cheaper, but many of your ins. coverage you have now wont cover you here. I would say stay where you are in the u,s. If you add up the pros and cons the u.s. will win.
buddy just had a hip replacement done 25k cash paid up front before they touched him. they did the work, a week later he fell and busted it up and they said o sorry nothing we can do for you here, you will need to go to the u.s. and have that done.

you just have to look at the over all, if you need help here calling 911 or 411 in the u.s. a 911 call will be replied too as fast as they can, once you place the call you don't even have to speak, just dial 911 and hang up, there will be a police officer knocking on your door. here you call 411 and hang up nothing will happen you call back and then try to tell them what the problem is, and where you are. streets with no names,, homes without addresses and is your spanish perfect? hope so and lets say you are able to tell them right where you are, and they don't show up. its not like someone is going to be fired for it. well the truck won't start, we had a flat, no gas, we couldn't find the place ect ect

now panama is a great place to live, If you have the funds to live above and over a s.s. check. each person here has the things they like about this place and is the reason they are here.

for me I like the fact that I can have a change of pace within two hours drive. mountains, beach, small town, large never sleep city, farms, fishing lakes all within that time frame.

I like the home grown food here, its better for you,

i like the fact that hiring people to work for me doesn't cost me a lot. a day worker cost per day what a person would cost a hour in the u.s.

and of course I love the weather, no snow. no cold. not to hot.

local taxes are low as well.

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bluewind
3/12/2018 11:34 EST

I remember when I visited there, a guy from Canada was on his laptop. He was buying property left and right. Gave me a high five every time he bought land. Said he had just bought part of a mountain. Made it seem real easy. Yeah, right. I'm pretty gullible but not that gullible.

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llseldon
3/12/2018 12:54 EST

Panama has become like Florida, too expensive, but fun to visit.

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jonoyakker
3/12/2018 13:46 EST

I disagree about costs. While food is about the same price, if you deduct the fact that a car is not necessary, nor is heat or AC, and health insurance is a fraction of the cost of the US, El Valle is way cheaper. While real estate is not cheap, try finding similar climate in the US...maybe San Diego or Hawaii-and those places will choke you on the costs.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 19:26 EST

what a shocker YOU would disagree. listen a person on a really fixed income, el valle is not a place to try to live. a person is better off in the u.s. then trying to come here, you can't say yes it's better on this this and this,, but worse on this this and this. and still claims it's better,, o you won't need a car here, ok is the person able to walk 2 miles to the store and back, where they will find limited amount of items which by the way cost 20 percent more then the same item down the mountain? does that person without a car here as in the state have the same problem? are there no public buses in the u.s? can that person on a limited budget afford to spend at least 3 full months of it on lawyer fee's and visa paperwork to even apply to live here full time? weather? yes it is better, health care ins cheaper? ok I'll take your word on that, but again, what about the services that are needed for that medical help? and the response time for a ambulance? maybe you remember miss suni she had a small chest pain, got up drove herself to the clinic here and was found dead the next mourning sitting in her car out front of the clinic. I know of many more older americans who have sold out and moved back to the u.s for peace of mind and health care. so food here is about the same, but get rid of your car, heat and a/c is not needed, health ins is cheaper, without service to get you there, and real estate is 5 times what it is in the u.s. so there... you can live here cheaper.. lol no way,

friends of mine sold their home here in the valle, and moved back to fla. he had a 2 bedroom home, sitting on about a half of a acre of land, the money off that sale, bought a 4 bedroom twice the living space home, with a barn and 5 acres of land, it paid for all his moving cost, he bought two brand new cars, a ocean fishing boat, and a freaking Harley davidson motor bike, and still had a nice goose egg of cash in the bank.

when i moved here 12 year ago, and bought this place, I was shocked at the amount I had to pay for it, based on what i had sold in the u.s. I went ahead and bought it due to the fact is was commercial property in a small town and now of course we all on main street are fighting with the government that wants to steal our land and tear down or homes and biz for a freaking bike riding path and walking path, without paying us for it, but my point is if I came today and walked up here and wanted to buy this very same property there is no way I could or would afford to pay that price for it, go to www.encuentra24.com and check out the prices of land and land with homes in el valle de anton..

and you jonowankker, last I heard you are selling out? where you going next? a place cheaper perhaps? or like the rest of us wanting to cash out 7 times our money and move somewhere else. heck with all that extra cash a high power bill for a/c and heat is a small price to pay isn't it? at least you will have service.

just a small example, here in the valle all have to pay a monthly fee to have our trash picked up twice a month.. so i pay it along with all the rest,, and of course all I hear is expats crying their trash hasn't been picked up for a month.. that's service. i pay the town and then I pay the driver. my trash gets picked up 2 sometimes 3 times a months, never, ever, ever misses mine.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/12/2018 19:29 EST

The only thing easy here is them taking your money,, that part is really easy.

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llseldon
3/12/2018 23:38 EST

Right on Rico, Rico tells the truth, don’t be one to Panama & can’t afford to move home

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bluewind
3/13/2018 12:07 EST

WOW!!!! Glad I put off moving to Panama or anywhere else in CA.

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marta231655
3/13/2018 13:35 EST

nice negative thought. I have lived in many areas of Panama, and not spent big bucks. but I always look to get away from the city and more towards the interior.
Any electricity is not that bad but depends upon where you are comparing it to.
I prefer to be amongst the locals and do not worry about mingling with the expats.

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marta231655
3/13/2018 13:35 EST

nice negative thought. I have lived in many areas of Panama, and not spent big bucks. but I always look to get away from the city and more towards the interior.
And electricity is not that bad but depends upon where you are comparing it to.
I prefer to be amongst the locals and do not worry about mingling with the expats.

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volcan357
3/14/2018 00:21 EST

El Valle of Anton is very attractive but it always was one of the most expensive places to live in Panama. I looked at property prices there years ago before I bought my property in Volcan. I decided it was too expensive. Today it must be really expensive. because that was 18 years ago. It is unfair to compare one of the most expensive places in Panama to some of the least expensive places in the USA. That will certainly lead to a wrong conclusion. Not that I am trying to defend Panama all that much. If was looking for a place to retire now I would check out some other Latin American countries in addition to Panama. Like Colombia for instance or Ecuador. Panama is like anywhere else. There are advantages and disadvantages to living in Panama. I like living in the tropics so if I no longer wanted to live in Panama I would move to another Latin American country. Anywhere where they speak Spanish now that I am fluent. I would never consider moving back to the USA. Some people worry about being close to a world class hospital. I will be 77 in a few weeks and it doesn't matter to me how far away I am from a hospital. We are all going to die some day and no hospital in the world is going to prevent that. So you may as well live where you like it and enjoy yourself to the fullest extent. Life is short.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
3/14/2018 00:56 EST

well bluewind glad we saved you from making a mistake Date Joined:

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you could have saved being a member here for 7 years and writing all those post. This is one huge reason I don't even reply to people saying they will be retiring in 5 or 8 years and would like to know more about a place... thing CHANGE. PANAMA might have been great for you 7 years ago, now wheewww you dodged a bullet.

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llseldon
3/14/2018 08:37 EST

EV is a good place to visits, lots of B&B & a few good eating places, mud bath, zoo & butterfly emporium, American Society of Panama annual picnic site, Charly Garcia (class mate & popular dentist in the city 2nd home & dinner site after the Am Soc picnic but after that last I knew no grocery store like El Rey, 99, Riba Smith or hospital. Oh popular flea market on the week ends. About 45 minutes to an hour to the beaches Coronado, Santa Clara, etc. Save it for week end visits or to avoid the crowds go there during the week, last I heard the flea market is open during the week on a small scale.
Saludos amigos de Chagres.

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llseldon
3/14/2018 14:14 EST

El Valle info, please PM me or let me know of any changes:
1 ½ hour drive west of Panama City located in an extinct volcano crater, known for its week end “Flea Markets”, cooler temperatures & Eco environment.
Website: http://www.el-valle-panama.com/

Hotels & B&Bs info:
1. Hotel Campestre 983-6146
Recently remodeled, one of the oldest hotels in El Valle built in 1939 has 20+ rooms with private baths.
http://hotelcampestre.com/ Tel: 983-6135
Email: Hotel Campestre;

2. Anton Valley Hotel
Tel. 983-6097 or 983-5118
This is located in front of the Catholic Church and has an excellent restaurant.
http://antonvalleyhotel.com/contact.htm

3. Hotel y Restaurante Valle Verde Formerly known as Hotel Los Capitanes, renamed and under new management. http://www.hotel-valleverde.com/ // reservas@hotel-valleverde.com

Nuevo Sitio Web: · http://el-valle-panama.com/
Teléfono: (+507) 983-6080
Teléfono Celular: (+507) 647-18250 Great restaurant. I consider this to be a very special place with a very special atmosphere.

4. The Golden Frog Inn: Under new management
8 rooms, Suites
One of the nicest places to stay. Pleasant, huge pool, fireplaces.
One of my favorites.
Phone: 983-6117 Cell Phone: 6565-8307
goldenfroginn@yahoo.com
http://www.goldenfroginn.com/lodging.html

5. Hotel Rincon Vallero:
14 Rooms Tel #: 983-6175/264-9119 / 983-6791 Includes breakfast.
Info: info@centroderesservas.net and their website is at http://hotelrinconvallero.com/ Excellent restaurant.

6. Park Eden Bed & Breakfast:
5 rooms Tel #: 983-6167 / 226-8858 / 6695-6190
Info:
www.parkeden.com & parkeden@cwpanama.net 5+ rooms, includes full breakfast for 2 persons per room, additional cost per each additional person. No restaurant.

7. La Casa de Lourdes
El Valle de Antón, Panama Hotel: 983-6645 Restaurant: 983-6450
Info@lacasadelourdes.com http://www.lacasadelourdes.com/
Gourmet breakfast included...exclusive cuisine & accommodations...where the IN people dine. Best restaurant and best hotel complex in the area. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in style. The Casa de Lourdes has available rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant owned and run by Lourdes Fabrega de Ward.

8. Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa
(adjacent and part of a magnificent complex with Casa de Lourdes)
Boutique Hotel & Restaurante http://www.losmandarinos.com/
info@losmandarinos.com Hotel: 983-6645 / 6808-2743
Best hotel complex in the area. Hotel has beautiful buildings, very nice accommodations, Irish Pub, Pool, & restaurant. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in at the sister complex, The Casa de Lourdes and stay at either Casa de Lourdes which also has several rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant, or they stay at Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa. which is a complex of Italian style buildings providing 31 guest rooms with magnificent accommodations, spa, pool, Irish pub, + restaurant. Not inexpensive, but the finer moments in our lives usually aren't cheap.

9. Crater Valley Adventure Spa:
8 Rooms Tel #: 983-6942 / 215-2325 / Fax 215-2329
http://www.crater-valley.com/
info@crater-valley.com Tel #: 215-2325 / 215-2328 & 983-6942
Fax: 215-2329 Among the best in El Valle. Has pool, sauna, massage parlor, beauty saloon, and lush grounds. Expect it to be pricey, but worth it. Good restaurant.
10. Cabañas Potosi
Tel # 983-6181/ 6946-6148
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/cabanas-potosi/
e-mail: cabanas.potosi@elvalle.com.pa

11. Hostal Cariguana
Tel # 983-6269 6598-5122
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g635545-d1958890-Reviews- Hostal_Cariguana-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province.html
12. Hotel Don Pepe
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/hotel-don-pepe/
Hotel Don Pepe +507 983-6425 (After 6pm call +507 983-6835 )
13. Casa de Pietra
Cell phone: 6675-6901
http://www.casadipietra.
https://www.facebook.com/casadipietrapanama/info?tab=overview

Note: There are many other nice Hotels in El Valle. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g635545-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province-Hotels.html
El Valle, more info, things to see & do:

1. Zip-line (Canopy Adventure) 983-6547 & Fax 263-2784
2. Bird Watching (Guias Pioneros de Cocle) Cell. 6569-2676
3. Hiking the India Dormida (Sleeping Indian Princess) Efrain Trujillo Cel 6591-1991
4. Guide to the India Dormida (Sleeping Indian Princess) Cell. 6615-8181
5. El Nispero Zoo
6. El Valle Museum, Sr. David & Padre Noto, by Catholic Church, Cell. 6524-9790
7. Visit Orchid Center (APROVACA) Tel. 983-6472
8. Serpentarium Cell. 6569-2676
9. Thermal Pools Cell. 6621-3846
10. Local Farmers and Artesan Market
11. Piedra Pintada (Petroglyphs) Cell. 6615-8181
12. The Butterfly Haven (NEW) – See a myriad of butterflies in their natural environment.

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llseldon
3/14/2018 14:14 EST

El Valle info, please PM me or let me know of any changes:
1 ½ hour drive west of Panama City located in an extinct volcano crater, known for its week end “Flea Markets”, cooler temperatures & Eco environment.
Website: http://www.el-valle-panama.com/

Hotels & B&Bs info:
1. Hotel Campestre 983-6146
Recently remodeled, one of the oldest hotels in El Valle built in 1939 has 20+ rooms with private baths.
http://hotelcampestre.com/ Tel: 983-6135
Email: Hotel Campestre;

2. Anton Valley Hotel
Tel. 983-6097 or 983-5118
This is located in front of the Catholic Church and has an excellent restaurant.
http://antonvalleyhotel.com/contact.htm

3. Hotel y Restaurante Valle Verde Formerly known as Hotel Los Capitanes, renamed and under new management. http://www.hotel-valleverde.com/ // reservas@hotel-valleverde.com

Nuevo Sitio Web: · http://el-valle-panama.com/
Teléfono: (+507) 983-6080
Teléfono Celular: (+507) 647-18250 Great restaurant. I consider this to be a very special place with a very special atmosphere.

4. The Golden Frog Inn: Under new management
8 rooms, Suites
One of the nicest places to stay. Pleasant, huge pool, fireplaces.
One of my favorites.
Phone: 983-6117 Cell Phone: 6565-8307
goldenfroginn@yahoo.com
http://www.goldenfroginn.com/lodging.html

5. Hotel Rincon Vallero:
14 Rooms Tel #: 983-6175/264-9119 / 983-6791 Includes breakfast.
Info: info@centroderesservas.net and their website is at http://hotelrinconvallero.com/ Excellent restaurant.

6. Park Eden Bed & Breakfast:
5 rooms Tel #: 983-6167 / 226-8858 / 6695-6190
Info:
www.parkeden.com & parkeden@cwpanama.net 5+ rooms, includes full breakfast for 2 persons per room, additional cost per each additional person. No restaurant.

7. La Casa de Lourdes
El Valle de Antón, Panama Hotel: 983-6645 Restaurant: 983-6450
Info@lacasadelourdes.com http://www.lacasadelourdes.com/
Gourmet breakfast included...exclusive cuisine & accommodations...where the IN people dine. Best restaurant and best hotel complex in the area. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in style. The Casa de Lourdes has available rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant owned and run by Lourdes Fabrega de Ward.

8. Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa
(adjacent and part of a magnificent complex with Casa de Lourdes)
Boutique Hotel & Restaurante http://www.losmandarinos.com/
info@losmandarinos.com Hotel: 983-6645 / 6808-2743
Best hotel complex in the area. Hotel has beautiful buildings, very nice accommodations, Irish Pub, Pool, & restaurant. People drive up from Panama City and adjacent areas to dine and wine in at the sister complex, The Casa de Lourdes and stay at either Casa de Lourdes which also has several rooms and a renowned gourmet restaurant, or they stay at Los Mandarinos Boutique Hotel & Spa. which is a complex of Italian style buildings providing 31 guest rooms with magnificent accommodations, spa, pool, Irish pub, + restaurant. Not inexpensive, but the finer moments in our lives usually aren't cheap.

9. Crater Valley Adventure Spa:
8 Rooms Tel #: 983-6942 / 215-2325 / Fax 215-2329
http://www.crater-valley.com/
info@crater-valley.com Tel #: 215-2325 / 215-2328 & 983-6942
Fax: 215-2329 Among the best in El Valle. Has pool, sauna, massage parlor, beauty saloon, and lush grounds. Expect it to be pricey, but worth it. Good restaurant.
10. Cabañas Potosi
Tel # 983-6181/ 6946-6148
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/cabanas-potosi/
e-mail: cabanas.potosi@elvalle.com.pa

11. Hostal Cariguana
Tel # 983-6269 6598-5122
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g635545-d1958890-Reviews- Hostal_Cariguana-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province.html
12. Hotel Don Pepe
http://www.antonvalley.com/hotels/hotel-don-pepe/
Hotel Don Pepe +507 983-6425 (After 6pm call +507 983-6835 )
13. Casa de Pietra
Cell phone: 6675-6901
http://www.casadipietra.
https://www.facebook.com/casadipietrapanama/info?tab=overview

Note: There are many other nice Hotels in El Valle. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g635545-El_Valle_de_Anton_Cocle_Province-Hotels.html
El Valle, more info, things to see & do:

1. Zip-line (Canopy Adventure) 983-6547 & Fax 263-2784
2. Bird Watching (Guias Pioneros de Cocle) Cell. 6569-2676
3. Hiking the India Dormida (Sleeping Indian Princess) Efrain Trujillo Cel 6591-1991
4. Guide to the India Dormida (Sleeping Indian Princess) Cell. 6615-8181
5. El Nispero Zoo
6. El Valle Museum, Sr. David & Padre Noto, by Catholic Church, Cell. 6524-9790
7. Visit Orchid Center (APROVACA) Tel. 983-6472
8. Serpentarium Cell. 6569-2676
9. Thermal Pools Cell. 6621-3846
10. Local Farmers and Artesan Market
11. Piedra Pintada (Petroglyphs) Cell. 6615-8181
12. The Butterfly Haven (NEW) – See a myriad of butterflies in their natural environment.

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