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CountingTheDays
10/8/2019 08:46 EST

I grew up in Arizona and have a degree in Spanish Lit, so my language skills are pretty solid. But having learned Spanish from school, not home (and not used it other than on vacations in the last 25 years), plus having learned it in a very Chicano and Mexican area, I struggle with oral comprehension when speaking with people from certain places — Puerto Rico and Argentina spring to mind. Ecuador is easy, as are Panama and Guatemala. But I haven’t been to CR yet. So my question, for anyone from the southwest US, is how tough is it to acclimate to the Tico accent?

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carolvaughn
10/8/2019 13:09 EST

Tranquila. Costa Rica Spanish Is
Surprisingly clear and good. I
Arrived after not having spoken
Spanish since highschool, and
Was up to speed in no Time flat.
Slang and idioms are different,
But you'll do fine. I could not
Handle either México or Spain.
Costa Rica Will be a cakewalk
for you after one month. You'll
Have 4 million teachers!!

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princzz
10/9/2019 03:12 EST

NOT! Spanish is Spanish, except for Spain and use of "some" slang. It is difficult to speak basic Spanish and survive in ANY Spanish Speaking country. DON'T be fooled.

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CountingTheDays
10/9/2019 09:45 EST

Thanks, Carol! Can you give me an idea what country’s accent it is most similar to?

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carolvaughn
10/9/2019 10:57 EST

Well, I've not been to every Country, but would say most
like Colombia or Venezuela. Their
Diction here Is good, everyone
Knows how to read, a better
educated population than most.
They elected to have exucated
people rather than an army.
Admirable!!

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carolvaughn
10/9/2019 11:01 EST

I meant educated people.
Autocorrect!
My cell chances Pérez to
Asskill. Awkward, since I live
In Perez....

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ppbritton
10/9/2019 13:05 EST

Spanish is an extremely difficult language - some people have a natural propensity to learn languages quickly - if you do not have this natural ability, you are in for a very long haul learning spanish - also, the best spanish in the western hemisphere is columbia - Costa Rica ranks near the bottom!!!!

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carolvaughn
10/9/2019 13:32 EST

You probably meant Colombia.
As a language teacher, I can tell you that your evaluation of Costa Rican Spanish is wrong.
Ask other people who have traveled in Latin America, and you will see that you
are wrong. Sorry!

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ppbritton
10/9/2019 15:56 EST

I lived in Costa Rica for 15 years, and you're telling me I wasn't able to evaluate costa rican spanish??? what arrogance!!!!

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lindyluvsCR
10/9/2019 16:14 EST

I do not agree that Spanish is extremely difficult. In English many of the vowels are pronounced many different ways and a word spelled the same can have many meanings depending on situation.

At least in Spanish all the vowels generally pronounced the same. The verb tenses need to be studied. You actually have to study. The nonsense of just picking it up from talking to locals is nonsense. You have to understand the verb tenses and their exact meaning.

So unless you want to sound like a redneck in US who use only present tense in English and sound not too intelligent you need to study. They might understand the gist of what you are saying but....

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CountingTheDays
10/9/2019 17:03 EST

I should clarify my question -- I'm asking what the Costa Rican Spanish ACCENT sounds like, particularly compared to Spanish in Mexico. Vocabulary in any post-colonial Spanish speaking country will always be Castilian mixed with a good size dose of whatever indigenous language existed there prior to the 1500's - there is no avoiding memorizing a region's specific vocabulary and slang. But how letters are pronounced is a messier issue for me..

To my ears, Mexican Spanish "sounds" exactly as written, because that is how I was taught to pronounce the words on a page. Argentinian Spanish, to me, sounds like they are mispronouncing all the R's. Puerto Rican Spanish, to me, sounds like they are leaving off the ends off half the words. Lots of Spain has that lisp. So when listening to someone speak I get this time lag while my brain tries to convert the "wrong" Spanish into Spanish as I know it, and then translate to English.... and meanwhile I've missed the next two sentences.

And yes, I think Spanish is one of the simpler languages to learn. It has an approximately 90,000 word vocabulary base, compared to, for example, English's 120,000. There are relatively few irregular verbs, only one odd-ball case (the subjunctive), few silent letters...

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carolvaughn
10/9/2019 17:59 EST

Right. Fifteen years, and still
couldn't spell Colombia...
I'm not arrogant. I'm educated.

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shermanwc
10/9/2019 20:00 EST

I also learned Spanish in school in the USA and used Spanish on vacations in Mexico over a number of years. My wife and I retired to Costa Rica in 2013 and we took some refresher classes in Spanish in CR. I would say that I have not found CR Spanish pronunciation to be much different. And I have been told in CR that my Spanish pronunciation is relatively good. (As you noted, Argentinian Spanish pronunciation is noticeably different.)

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CountingTheDays
10/9/2019 20:03 EST

Thanks, Sherman — just what I hoped to hear :)

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GBP
10/9/2019 20:23 EST

Love the naysayers---so Europeans can speak 3-4-5-7 languages and us dumb Gringos are too stupid to learn Spanish and it will be SOOOOOO HARD for us. Better not try to live in another country because we just can't handle the challenge. Lest I remind you naysayers Americans are tough ass people and the last thing that will stop us from success is having to learn a language.My Spanish sucks but only because I lean on my wife for hers.

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ILuvCR
10/9/2019 22:09 EST

uh-oh, he's back ppbritton aka "peanut brittle" is such a Debbie downer but "expert" on so few things,

sheeesh!

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scalnew
10/10/2019 11:12 EST

Dear Count,
I've been in C.R. off and on since 1992 and have married here. I'm familiar with different spanish accents having travelled to Spain, and throughout Central America. I've also been to Coloumbia and Venezuela and lived in Mexico for over a year. If you think in terms of the accents in the U.S. Spain would have an accent similar to Boston and Mexico and Nicaragua similar to the South, strength wise. Costa Rica is purely Mid-western. There almost is no accent. Listen to the accent in this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C09PNzm9ML8

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princzz
10/11/2019 08:35 EST

....I agree totally...however, in Colombia, very little English is spoken. No English is spoken in common areas like the airport for announcements.

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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546894
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546894
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546927
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546927
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546939
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546939
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546940
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546940
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
getnatadtopull (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=8) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT *
FROM natadoptions 
WHERE placementname = 'natforumtype' 
getreportnetworks (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select *
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getnatadtype (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM natadoptions 
WHERE natadtypeid = 3 
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natads.natadid
FROM natads, natadPlacement
WHERE natadPlacement.networkID = 33
and natadPlacement.natadid = natads.natadid
and natforumend > "2020-06-02"
and natforumstart < "2020-06-03"
and natforumstatus = 'live'

and natforumweight = 'high'
getnatadbottom (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/nativerotationtop_tester13.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT resourceid, natforum as adcode, natforumweight, natadid
FROM natads 
WHERE natadid = 1 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546954
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546954
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546959
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546959
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546972
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546972
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546979
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546979
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546988
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546988
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546991
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 546991
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547008
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547008
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and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
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and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547011
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and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547014
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and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547026
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
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FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547071
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547071
and vote = 'bad'
and liketype = 6 
votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547152
and liketype = 6 
votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 547152
and vote = 'bad'
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getclasscheck (Datasource=tipripper, Time=25ms, Records=6) in /home/www/html/navrightmidcolumn_rdesign5.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	SELECT answersphoto.photo, answersphoto.answerid, answersphoto.qid, answers.rid, allreports.networkname, allreports.networkid, allreports.city, allreports.state
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checkculturefeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=4) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
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         and networkid = 33 
         and city <> ''
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getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
		Select summary, hiimg 
		FROM answers
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         and summary <> ''
checklivingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=4) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
         where rid = 58
           and city <> ''
      
         and networkid = 33 
        and date > '2013-04-01'
		order by date DESC
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
		Select summary, hiimg 
		FROM answers
         where answerid = 75675
         and summary <> ''
gettaxgeneral2 (Datasource=expert, Time=6ms, Records=3) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select title, hitopic, hidescript, author, articles.articleID, hiimg, summary, authorurl, hpimg
	From articles, articlePlacement
	Where hitopic <> ''
	and articlePlacement.networkID = 33 
	AND articlePlacement.articleID = articles.articleID
	and hidescript <> ''
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    and articles.topic <> 'Weekly Quizzes'
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    and general <> 'bb'
    and hpimg <> 'none'
    and summary <> ''
    and (articles.author = 'Betsy Burlingame' or articles.author = 'Joshua Wood')
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    ORDER by articles.articleID asc   
    
checkrptarticles (Datasource=reports, Time=6ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
		Select *
		FROM rptarticles, rptarticlenetworks
         where rptarticles.rptarticleID = rptarticlenetworks.rptarticleID
       and rptarticles.publishdate < "2020-06-03"
     
         and rptarticlenetworks.networkid = 33 
    ORDER by rptarticles.rptarticleID asc   
    
getreportarticle (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=6, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select *
	From rptarticles, rptarticlenetworks
	Where rptarticles.rptarticleID = 9
	and rptarticlenetworks.rptarticleID = rptarticles.rptarticleID
getnameforarticle (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select networkname, forumLink, frmid, networktype, isCity, hot, networkID, usekeywords, metatitle, shortname, shortnamecap
	From Networks
	Where networkID = 20 
getrptarticlephotos (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT  hiimg
FROM rptarticles
where rptarticleID = 9
and hiimg <> ''
getreportarticle (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select *
	From rptarticles, rptarticlenetworks
	Where rptarticles.rptarticleID = 15
	and rptarticlenetworks.rptarticleID = rptarticles.rptarticleID
getnameforarticle (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/rewritearticlefirsttitle.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
	Select networkname, forumLink, frmid, networktype, isCity, hot, networkID, usekeywords, metatitle, shortname, shortnamecap
	From Networks
	Where networkID = 33 
getrptarticlephotos (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentbox.cfm @ 13:24:58.058
SELECT  hiimg
FROM rptarticles
where rptarticleID = 15
and hiimg <> ''


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