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Rickster1000
7/26/2019 14:22 EST

Is it true? No toilet paper....

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Tsmslf
7/26/2019 16:20 EST

Never shake hands with a Filipino early in the morning. It's similar in Arab countries too; they won't shake hands ever.

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 16:41 EST

What the H E Double Hockey sticks are you guys talking about??? I'm getting freaked out.

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Lovethephilippines
7/26/2019 17:10 EST

Very true. The only place that had TP when I was there was the resort we stayed at but nowhere else had any. It is BYOTP everywhere. I had to drop the kids off at the pool while visiting an old church with no TP. I had to pay 10 times the cost for a 4 pack (no singles) to an old lady in a souvenir shop. She was giggling as I scurried back to the can. They didn't even have the little wash bucket.

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Asawa
7/26/2019 17:16 EST

I'm just going to take pity on the person who asks and provide TMI.

I believe that they are talking about the different bathroom styles in various parts of the Philippines if you go to some of the more rural provinces or poorer areas.

You have the modern western flush-toilet (including toilet paper) which are here and there. (Sometimes with something akin to what we call singe-ply wax paper.) You'll find this situation at most Banks, Malls, and nicer places. You'll get a feel for which places these are very quickly.

Then, You have the porcelainring-flush toilet which is like a western toilet without a seat. That requires some balance, hovering, and/or perching skills depending on what you have to do. Toilet paper is usually still there. Why on Earth some folks think the lift-able Toilet Seat is a luxery that can be forgone is a mystery to me.

There is the the non-tank porcelain toilet with the water barrel that has a small floating bucket or dipper in it. Where you fill the dipper, pour it down at the base of your spine where the water wraps around your rear as you rub vigerously with a hand (like an informal bidet) to clean your backside. Then you pour in 1-2 more dippers or buckets worth to get gravity to take it down. Wash your hands well with soap-n-water afterwards.

Then there is the hole in the ground, usually a bit of a trench that runs between your legs so you can squat over it.

If in doubt (and staying only a short time), there are two easy approaches.

The first is a hybrid approach that involves buying those single-packet Preproation-H Foil packets that hold an 8x6 pre-mositened sheet. Take of the worst of it what ever happens, and use a dipper as a finisher.

The other (if you are kind and don't want to ruin peoples plumbing) is the cheapest single-ply, bio-degradable toilet paper (like you remember from public school in the 1960-1980's) that dissolves upon use. Simply remove the cardboard roll, The rest compacts into a ziplock. Every day, you can take out about 2-3 mini wads to carry with you in a pocket (probably fold in a ziplock because if you sweat it will fuse into a ball).

So, I tried to be the "1Ply-Zip-lock guy" (it rhymes), and it got me through my first 2-week trip as a youth. I tried it again, on my next trip three week trip. Unfortunately, I got food poisoning that lead to delirium, a 104 degree fever, Flash Cold/Heat flashes that left me soaked in sweat, and explosive evacuation of my stomach from the closest direction possible.

I spent a week in the hospital with my fiance (now wife of 17 year) taking care of me... so weak that she had to help me from bed to the commode. We'd only spent a total of 3 weeks ever (previous 2 week trip, and the week that lead to my sikcness) together. We'd never messed around or been that intimate, but we knew we were going to marry.

Anyway, we got to know each other far more intimately than either of us expected. The hospital didn't have TP (as I recall), and she had to help me with the dipper. I was too weak and dehydraded to do anything for myself, and she had to feed and potty me. (She was 20 and I was 27).

I learned two things from this. The first, she was a keeper. She took amazing care of me because it had to be done, and it seemed absolutely natural to let her do it. Second, how to use a dipper. (I probably wouldn't have embraced the practice if not for 5 days of explosive diarrhea and someone else demonstrating the practice upon me).

So, fast forward 18 years. We tend to keep a dipper in every bathroom (even state-side), and I use it as a final step. If you get pass the weirdness (and wash your hand thourugly with soap and water after), it's probably (grudgingly) superior. You never get chapped or have that unclean feeling. SO, there's that.

With every passing year, the Philippines gets more and more modern. You'll find both seats and TP in more and more places, unless you head to the homes of the elderly or humble folks. It's wise to make peace with the reality of the "Dipper" at some point -- for convenience sake. (Consider it a coming-of-age hazing ritual if you must... or a Life Skill).

So... there yo go. The stuff folks don't like to talk about.

-Asawa

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Robertdav298
7/26/2019 19:44 EST

DARK, My wife carries baby wipes everywhere we go, we learned the lesson the hard way. Also, in eateries you have to ask for napkins and then they give you a tiny piece of tissue.

When I was first here I went to the bathroom and made the mistake of dropping my drawers to do my business, big mistake. When I was finished and pulled up my shorts they were soaking wet. I learned the hard way....gosh!

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Tsmslf
7/26/2019 19:52 EST

Imagine what the accumulated wipes do to the sewage/pipe systems! Ugly to even think about. But, as did he, I always carry TP with me no matter where, Even have partial folls flattened and in the pockets behind the front seats of my cars. Plus, as an older man, I carry styrofoan and cardboard cups for the sudden urge most oldies have. Over to the curb or shoulder and either in or out of the car. It's more refreshing pause than Coke.

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LarryKar
7/26/2019 20:09 EST

dark dont freak out. Just to be sure you understand you can buy TP here at any big grocery or variety stores like Novo. We buy a brand made in Hong Kong called Vinda. Every bit as good as Charmin and 3ply. It's just most public restrooms that won't have TP. I imagine because they would go broke providing it to 25% of the population that would take the entire roll. Like others have said my Gal always has folded up tissue in her purse. I love walking through a cafe waving my tissue. But that's me. LOL

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expatuk1947
7/26/2019 21:49 EST

Most stores Robinsons,Savemore 7/11 sell toilet paper its always best if your going anywhere to take some with you just in case.

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surfingcebu
7/26/2019 22:51 EST

It is shocking actually, Philippine airlines, Has to stock about three times the quantity of Eva air, because the toilet paper and hand towels are stolen from the washrooms. It’s unbelievable I can’t imagine what’s up with this.?
I was talking to a group of airline attendants from P AL, that were staying in my hotel, and I had dinner with them( lots of fun BTW !! :) We were all laughing at the fact that the cleaning went through all of this toilet paper and hand towels. When I reflected on it a week later, I found it sad.

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 23:12 EST

Robert - And why were your shorts soaking wet. Cuz you urinated on them? There was water / piss on the floor? Why??? Mama-Mia.....

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 23:13 EST

Tsmslf - I thought the wipes disintegrated over time.

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 23:15 EST

Dear Larry - If the RP considers Bidets, or other means to be superior to our Western way of TP, then why does 25% of the population steal the TP? It seems that "The People" are demanding the Western Way. And I always say "Power To The People!"

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 23:18 EST

Asawa - Oh, Dear Heavenly Father!! My mind is melting down. I am aghast. I wonder if I can get a refund on my plane ticket.............

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darkfader24
7/26/2019 23:24 EST

GUYS!!! We are talking about one of Life's greatest and most basically powerful bodily functions here. It is something that we learned how to control at a Tender Age! Well, most of us, anyway. It is something that we have snickered at, guffawed at, roared at - joking around since the First Grade. And it is something that we have all been very accomplished at doing from our first day on the Planet. Dealing with it is critical to our health and longevity. Maybe Tsmslf is right about I.Q. in the RP. Don't get pissed at me - just saying'........

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BOBV
7/26/2019 23:27 EST

If Toilet paper is an issue what about one napkin for both of you, if your lucky dinning out....not that far off topic paper is paper....

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LarryKar
7/27/2019 01:42 EST

dark: Along those lines I have been thinking aside from becoming suddenly ill ,which I understand, why don't these guys just take care of that function before leaving your home or nice hotel where I assume you have a proper facility? As to the wet floor I have rarely been in a public rest room where the floor is not wet with some liquid I have never been curious enough to really do an analysis of. Mall restrooms, fast food places, better eating places usually safe. Mom and Pop cafes not so much. By the way they call the Rest Room a CR. Short for Comfort Room. I think it's an inside Asian joke.

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Dutchmen2003
7/27/2019 02:31 EST

i like to refer to my post date 8/10/2016 19:10 EST. TABO-TIMBA-TUBIG. Bidet spray works perfect. Greetings.

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 02:56 EST

BOBV - Uhhhh, Paper is paper? I would rather use something absorbent like TP - rather than Glossy Photo Stock. But, paper is paper...... :-) Reminds me of the Paul Simon song "Slip Sliding' Away".

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 02:58 EST

Dutchmen - I've never used a Bidet, nor seen one used. Seems like it would get my pants wet, no matter how I positioned them.

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 03:03 EST

Larry - you mean you've never been curious enough to suck up some fluid off the floor into an eye-dropper and slide it under your Microscope at home? C'mon, Mr. Wizard. Can't you imagine the Teeming Lifeforms you'd see? As the Disney Aladdin song goes "A Whole New World"......

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Dutchmen2003
7/27/2019 03:55 EST

@ darkfader24. We don't have bidet but the spray only. Some kind of small shower to clean the anal part. Hand spray in right hand, cleaning and rubbing with left hand. Special towel for drying. No TP which clogs the drain. I persisted on 4.inch brown pipes. Pinoys go cheap and use 3.inch pipe.
Greetings

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ACEPoolPlayer
7/27/2019 07:38 EST

If you ever used a bidet, it's the way to go. The nice ones have automatic adjustments for water temperature, pressure and alignment. Imagine yourself dirty and only having a towel or toilet paper to clean yourself without water. Many public toilets in Japan (even in the airports) have bidets. Water washes, then toilet paper cleans.


In the Philippines always have wipes or toilet paper with you when you travel outside your home. A toilet seat in the Philippines is a luxury item.

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gelynch52ph
7/27/2019 09:01 EST

Here's a bidet you can buy in the US to add to your present toilet. In Japan almost every toilet you see will be a fully functional bidet setup.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/blue-bidet-white-toilet-mounted-bidet/999899875?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-kab-_-bing-_-pla-_-130-_-sostoiletseats-_-999899875-_-0&kpid&k_clickID=bi_272560523_1305120489754025_81570068200725_pla-4585169649383087_c_&msclkid=93f699f240471dc4099ec4ce0a82a320&gclid=CKea5eeT1eMCFV2oZQod4lQFVA&gclsrc=ds

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Tsmslf
7/27/2019 09:41 EST

The RP's IQ data is not mine in any way. It has been calculated by people in that field. I've no authorship of it. And it's definitely correct in its assessment of the country.

I simply presented it as a likely reason for RP's poor economic performance.

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surfingcebu
7/27/2019 09:58 EST

TSM- Thanks for your comments mate ! For the most part I hang around with some quite bright Pinoys , culturally they do some odd things and "I" see it that can be misconstrued as low IQ , however I have no problem with their 'brightness' per se . I guess we have to remember that there are massive amounts of people that are 'outliers ' to the average given. I tend to gravitate to the brighter one I gather . at least half my friends that are Pinoy have university degrees at a Baccalaureate or better and such. Yes, there are some of the population that you wonder how they dress themselves ... but I can say that of Canadians too in my home town. SO - I Take the IQ and all its built in bias testing with a grain of salt , to be truthful .
I have a Bubble tea joint that I go to by my place ( 15 minute drive) Its right by a university ....academic topics are discussed at most tables by the mostly grad student that go to the place - love going there , to talk to the students . there education is real and pertinent /applicable . they really do seem well studied and more reflective than your typical North American student. I also find there is no "socialist crap' crammed into their heads and prof driven agenda . They are more free to form their own political ideas , free from political thought controlled USA and Canadian campuses . Anyway-TSM your comments are valid though . Some are low functioning , as they are here too .

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Asawa
7/27/2019 11:15 EST

I see a new thread coming:
Anal Cleansing: Washing vs Scraping with Dry Paper

We'll mortify everyone, and raise screams across the Internet.

Seriously though. Water Dippers and Bidets are (grudgingly) superior to dry paper... and on par with Moist Wipes. There are just some Taboo's and Eccentricities that you have to bridge to get there.

If you seriously think about it, which is stranger? Rubbing with dry paper or rinsing/washing.

If you don't want to "Go Native", you can work around it with minimal planning. (My unexpected illness took the choice away from me!)

As a boy -- I used to live in Rural Iowa, and there were still a few out-Houses with a pile of Corn Cobs in the corner... (which I could never figure out if the Cob's were there as an inside Joke to see owners could trick a City Slicker into chapping his... uh... you know).

Laugh or go crazy,
-Asawa

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Goslig
7/27/2019 11:25 EST

Surf average world income ranking of the US is 9th, and Canada 20. Yet the average world ranking of I.Q. for Canada is 13 at 101, yet the USA is 26th at 98 IQ. Go figure?

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Tsmslf
7/27/2019 11:45 EST

The US is tied for 9th place with its average IQ, not 26th. Tied nations are listed in alpha order within their rank.

I believe that the US average is dramatically lower as we have 40+ million blacks - average IQ = 85 and the same number of hispanics/browns, including Pinoys. Absent those low level millions who are roughly 25%of our total population, we would be much higher ranked.

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Tsmslf
7/27/2019 11:57 EST

In terms of per capita income, the US is $51K; Canada $36K and the RP $3,200

Source: World Bank on the net

More facts - love 'em, just love 'em.

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Goslig
7/27/2019 12:39 EST

Tsmslf I posted this link before;
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=2ahUKEwi314f5vdXjAhWabN4KHcNcBG8QFjAJegQICxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.worlddata.info%2Fiq-by-“country.php&usg=AOvVaw0bs4UXzAh-4A_xskuii_GC
With an average IQ of 98 points, the USA ranks 27th in this blog. Another internet site shows the US at 38th place: You are looking at Brainstats which if you count down to 98 IQ where the US sits, there are 22 countries with higher IQ, but 98 is the 9th grouping. FORBES has it at 28. You got to believe FORBES. Ever been through the Ozark mountains? I’m sure all those redneck hillbillies have at least 108 IQ. Not just there either, there are geniuses is every coal town and white power nationalists neighbourhood too. If you believe brown skin had something to do with IQ you are entitled to your opinion. Indonesians are pretty brown, but Chinese are whiter than you or me. Which people have contributed the most to our advancement as a species? Which does best at school, and which has the highest IQ. Vouchercloud quantifies intelligence to include the number of Nobel Prizes each nation has won to represent historic intelligence, the current average IQ and ‘education attainment’ to represent the potential intelligence of the next generation..Asia and Europe dominate the list, with Japan taking the top spot thanks to its high placing across all three metrics where it came fifth overall in the school test ranking and sixth overall in both Nobel prizes and current IQ. The US comes in an impressive fourth, although its ranking is flattered greatly by its extraordinary dominance in the Nobel category where at 368 prizes, it has nearly treble the UK in second place. However, in the current IQ the US comes a lowly 28th and school ranking a middling 13th – neither of which bodes well for its future ranking. This is far afield from the real reason the Philippines is so poor.

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Tsmslf
7/27/2019 15:02 EST

Maybe though I've explained elsewhere that the US IQ is dragged down by 40+ million blacks whose IQ averages 85 and a similar number of hispanics rated 90-91. If whites only were counted, the US would bring its rating much higher. But so what? Asian countries have higher IQs and anomalies abound. I just think IQ is a major, contributing factor and that is all I have ever said on the subject. How can it not be?

What, btw, are you trying to show?

I like the US per capita income number of $51,000. Yes, I know places like Luxembourg are higher but that's a location of a handful of people. The thing to see is that the US per capita income is 15 times greater than in the RP. Tell me why that is. Then tell me how it got that way. And last, who did it?

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 15:15 EST

Tsmslf - Yeah, I know that. I was just joking.

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 15:19 EST

This is Hilarious - really. We were talking about something so inane, boring, and downright dumb as Toilet Paper - and now we're off into the intellectual world of actuarial charts, economic, and IQ Ratings. I love you guys - you're such a great group!! Hahaha - it's really fun !!

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 15:22 EST

And not to ruin the mood by going back to basic body functions - but I had an amazingly frank and honest discussion with my Pinay Fiancee about this. She described in vivid detail how she handles it and thinks her little bidet world of soap and water is wonderful. "I feel so clean and fresh! Then I wipe my hands with alcohol." She convinced me - but I am still cringing - hahaha!

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Asawa
7/27/2019 15:48 EST

Can we talk about the IQ of the Mosquitoes in toilets around the Philippines vs the Mosquitoes in toilets along the West Nile and Woodstock?

Oops. Wrong thread. I can't keep them straight anymore.

(My sad attempt at irony -- in what seems to have become a running joke.)

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Asawa
7/27/2019 15:49 EST

darkfader24,

Glad you had "the talk" with your fiance. Sooner is better. Life is a journey, and you'll deal with a lot of unexpected crap along the way.

^^^ Profound on so many levels.

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 18:57 EST

Aswan - Very Funny :-D

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darkfader24
7/27/2019 18:58 EST

Aswan - Please stop! Still laughing!! :-D

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Robertdav298
7/28/2019 04:37 EST

DARK.....my shorts were wet because at that time I was unaware that the Filipinos use a bucket of water to wipe their ass as they are perched on the toilet like a rooster.
As ACE said, toilet seats are a luxury in the RP........actually most of SE ASIA is the same.

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BOBV
7/28/2019 04:57 EST

The toilet seat moves somewhat like a surf board.......

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Elevensys
7/28/2019 07:46 EST

Toilet paper.

My house in London has it. My house in the Philippines doesn’t.

My pinay doesn’t use it and I learned to adapt to using a tabow (
It was a transition for me to get used to the idea of a bum-gun back in the 1980’s when I worked in Sharjah where its squats and bum gun, it’s called a shatuf (
I know many back home who cannot adjust to the idea of perching on the edge of the toilet, pointing a bun-gun and cleaning their anal parts with their fingers. Ditto using a bucket and tabow.

Philippine waste water systems can’t do toilet paper, so I’m unlikely to revert to it.

Comfort rooms in malls (looking at YOU Gaisano) lack both the paper or the means to wash the nether regions.

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surfingcebu
7/28/2019 09:46 EST

Robert - one thing I noticed in "Nam" ( Vietnam) is all people stand on toilets then crouch . You would NEVER sit on a toilet seat . They evacuate crouching . The seat are dirty with shoe marks . I must admit though the CR is MUCH cleaner in VIET , than the RP in general ....unless you find a nice hotel in the Manila Bay Area or larger city .
just my two cents on a crazy topic ,that oddly, may interest some travellers to our beloved RP .

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LarryKar
7/28/2019 20:45 EST

re: standing on the rim. Unless you are like the average Filipino and weigh 75# dont try it. I've seen video of what happens when the average toilet collapse from the weight of someone standing on the rim. Inspite of local custom they are not designed for that stress.

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LarryKar
7/28/2019 20:47 EST

re: standing on the rim. Unless you are like the average Filipino and weigh 75# dont try it. I've seen video of what happens when the average toilet collapse from the weight of someone standing on the rim. Inspite of local custom they are not designed for that stress.

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LovePhilly
7/28/2019 21:48 EST

hahaha, I just envisioned my fat A$$ trying to stand on the toilet and squat! lol. I find it hard to tie my shoes! lol.

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Tsmslf
7/28/2019 23:38 EST

I can hardly conceive of what that seat et al looks like if the user was having a loose bowel movement or other form of watery stool.

Good God in the morning.

I've done slit trenches and field emergency shoveling when in the Corps but have been spared the squatter people.

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Asawa
7/28/2019 23:40 EST

On the positive side, humans have worked through this problem successfully for about 66 Million years without TP or a seat, so I (for one) am not going to be the first to fail.

It's really important that we don't forget all that historical crap from our forebears.

^^^ Again, Profound on many levels.

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LarryKar
7/29/2019 01:02 EST

tsmslf: If you find yourself on a really long bus ride I highly recommend paying the extra for the " Deluxe" bus with CR on board. In my experience most Filipinos won't use it and at 2am you will be spared seeing things that no man should see at some all night cafe. Guess it would add an extra element of skill to stand in a moving bus.

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darkfader24
7/29/2019 01:22 EST

"Bum Gun" sounds EXTREMELY unsanitary. What if it has touched someone's infected Bum - and then you accidentally bump it against your Bum. Filthy - unsanitary. I don't care how anyone tries to excuse it. At least my TP is not touching anyone else.

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gypsyquokka
7/29/2019 02:43 EST

Darkfaker - what is the problem of talking about nature and how most of the world does not have fancy flush toilets. Its what you like or dislike of living in a developing country - thats how things are. "Kangarooing" as Australians call it is a lot cleaner than sitting directly on the porcelain - but true it is not for heavy people. So much of the world just squats to ground level, over a hole, open ground or as the Chinese, over a long porcelain flushable trough. Only as difficult as you want to make it. But in many situations and times you have NO choices - he he he

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surfingcebu
7/29/2019 02:55 EST

Larry,I agree, get the bus with the toilet. The charge isn’t that much, and the local people certainly don’t use the facilities. I was on one older bus, that apparently had a toilet. It certainly didn’t have any toilet paper, and the toilet was basically hey ceramic thing sitting on the floor complete with no toilet seat, or toilet paper. I presumed both had been stolen. What was particularly interesting, is that through the ceramic thing on the floor I could see the lines of the highway passing.... Lissie occasional blast of wet raw diesel fumes. I gathered the toilet was not working properly :-) it’s more fun in the Philippines, most definitely.

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LarryKar
7/29/2019 02:59 EST

Asawa: While your basic statement about our forebearers working through this is true have you ever noticed in 100 year old photos it's rare to see smiles? Maybe just maybe they were thinking, " why doesn't someone invent something better then spraying your bottom with water?"

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gelynch52ph
7/29/2019 07:08 EST

Unfortunately for Filipinos, my high school diploma indicates a better education than any college diploma in the Failippines.

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Goslig
7/29/2019 08:09 EST

Prince Phillip collects antique toilets, and is fascinated by them. I wonder how Buckingham Palace is outfitted? I am sure there are golden toilet seats, high quality toilet paper and good sound proofing. The Japanese have high tech toilets that emit sounds to disguise the racket of flatulence. I still prefer the porcelain rim to a seat as that puts you in a natural position to make a deposit. The toilets on Philippine Air Lines are pretty tiny and with air turbulence your aim can be compromised. Do they pump them out after landing or drop the load at 30,000 feet? What did you Air Force guys do on long missions?

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Goslig
7/29/2019 08:10 EST

Prince Phillip collects antique toilets, and is fascinated by them. I wonder how Buckingham Palace is outfitted? I am sure there are golden toilet seats, high quality toilet paper and good sound proofing. The Japanese have high tech toilets that emit sounds to disguise the racket of flatulence. I still prefer the porcelain rim to a seat as that puts you in a natural position to make a deposit. The toilets on Philippine Air Lines are pretty tiny and with air turbulence your aim can be compromised. Do they pump them out after landing or drop the load at 30,000 feet? What did you Air Force guys do on long missions?

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acol
7/29/2019 08:14 EST

Guys, I can't resist sharing with you this sculpture of Belgian artist Rodin "the Thinker". Out of topic, really? ;-) Alain

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/08/article-0-19AC00B7000005DC-789_634x754.jpg

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Tsmslf
7/29/2019 09:44 EST

Larry Kar: Thanks for the advice. I'm less likely to return to the RP after reading this and another expat sites. A lot of issues I'd much rather avoid, especially at my age.

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Goslig
7/29/2019 09:58 EST

Error - Prince Charles collects antique toilets, not Prince Phillip. It doesn’t seem to be the case that anyone, regardless of their evacuation style, is particularly anal retentive on this blog.

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ACEPoolPlayer
7/29/2019 12:20 EST

Although I lived in the Philippines for 25 years and know it as well as my home town, after reading this thread, I almost don’t want to return. To all newbies, it’s not as bad as it seems. These are rare situations that can be avoided with some common sense. Number 1, don’t take long bus rides if you can’t hold it. Number 2, just like I tell my son in the U.S., use the bathroom/restroom/CR before you leave the house (or hotel). Although if it really is an emergency do whatever you have to do no matter where you are...

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darkfader24
7/29/2019 15:33 EST

Dear Gypsy and Asawa - I know that you guys are a lot smarter than me - but (Butt???) I have to disagree with you on this one. 66 Million years of potential suffering and dying early from diseases maybe. We don't know what these people may have suffered or died from. Third World Countries have gotten along without Western Toilets - yeah - but then again, they are called Third World for a reason. Just cuz people don't use or can't obtain innoculants from disease therefore I shouldn't use them? Same with toilets. Or anything else. Nutrition, etc. Cholera abounds in these countries. Therefore I as a Westerner shouldn't do what is necessary to keep from getting it? Just cuz it's from the West doesn't mean it's of no consequence. Not to argue - BUTT your logic doesn't hold up. And seriously, who gives a s!@t. Well, apparently we do - cuz this thread is one of the most popular I have seen so far...... :-D

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sherwood
7/29/2019 18:05 EST

As long as man has been on the earth it has been a struggle for living without dying from dease. We are now approaching 7.5 billion people which is more than all of the people that lived and died on this plant prior to today. Disease is a killer and sanitary practices are a must.
There are some good sanitary practices in the Philippines, but not in the poor areas. Burning plastics and all kinds of waste. Drinking contaiminated water. Not properly cleaning food or utensiles. Eating with your hands and so forth are not healthy practices.

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Robertdav298
7/29/2019 20:34 EST

If you suffer from IBS......then the RP or any SOTHEAST ASIA COUNTRY is not for you.
Unfortunately many people suffer from IBS.....and it is a horrible thing because it has a mind of its own.

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darkfader24
7/30/2019 02:29 EST

Robert - Yes, IBS does have a mind of it's own - No "If, And, or BUTTS about it!!"

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darkfader24
7/30/2019 02:33 EST

And consider this - I comment on the bathroom practices of the Philippines - while in California, "The Golden State", we have people dropping' "Trou" on the streets of San Francisco and Los Angeles. Fully 25% of the Homeless in all 50 States of The Union are currently in just this one State. We may be looking at a Cholera or Bubonic Plague Epidemic soon. I sure hope not. THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE??

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darkfader24
7/30/2019 02:36 EST

Acol - Yeah. Not to be disrespectful, but I always called him "The Stinker". But then again, I was an immature 10 year old.

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darkfader24
7/30/2019 02:39 EST

Always keep a package of "Wet Wipes" in your pocket - assuming that you can buy them or an equivalent there in the RP.

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surfingcebu
7/30/2019 09:58 EST

Dark, I agree with you California ( at least the south , is in real tough shape with dedication in the streets and mental illness and homeless. .Baltimore and Detroit and Chicogo ..and NewYork are just $hit holes IMHO too . Im not American , but those cities are just plain awful ! Cleanliness is very bad!

Your right though the Left cannot manage a city . I just dont understand why . Incapable ? The amount of human excrement on the streets in the Balboa region in San Deigo , on my recent trip there was disgusting . Many issues with health scares there coming for sure . Shameful . Some areas are much worse than the RP . Sad really what leftist mayors have done to cities ! I hear illegal immigrants are refusing to go to LA and area ... that's too funny ! :)

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Rmorris301
7/30/2019 11:36 EST

Well, these guys have it down, most of the newer places do have paper, but always carry a roll with you! No I'm not kidding nor are they. Yes they have toilet paper in the Philippines.. Lol.

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Robertdav298
7/30/2019 20:38 EST

DARK........apologize for being political but isn't CALIFORNIA run by DEMOCRATS? Isn't NANCY from San Fran and ERIC SWALWELL? Enough said

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Goslig
7/30/2019 21:23 EST

Robertdav298 Nixon was from California too.

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Robertdav298
7/31/2019 00:08 EST

GOSLIG......so was REAGAN.......whats your point

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Robertdav298
7/31/2019 00:17 EST

GOSLIG/DARK, here we are talking about the RP and SE ASIA and the lack of TP and disgusting bathrooms while in my home country we have worse cities such as MEMPHIS, BALTIMORE, DETROIT, SAN FAN and LA.
It has been documented that in these cities we have hordes of the homeless relieving themselves in the streets, lack of food water and shelter.

I look here in the RP and see the squatter areas loaded with, garbage, plastic, urination and vile living conditions while the RP government does nothing to help these people.

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surfingcebu
7/31/2019 00:27 EST

Robert - is it just by chance or ? , all these cities are ' safe zone cities ' and they are run by socialist mayors and governors ? Or am I mistaken ?

Seems to be a common thread here . I know Baltimore is a "open Sewer " in most places at best . Socialist Crime Boss mayor (?)

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LarryKar
7/31/2019 00:56 EST

Highway 1 going to Tuguegaroa between Gattaran and Alcala there is a National Forest Area. Very nice drive. Right about 1/2 way they built a new Tourist Information and Rest Area. Reception and lounge area rivals anything I've seen along I80 in Iowa. Nice rustic log furniture, shiny tile floors, Information Desk with pretty 20 something Filipina sitting there. Then I go into the Men's Room. Yeah zipped right back to reality. Wet floor and stinks. Why why can't we have nice things.

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darkfader24
7/31/2019 04:10 EST

Robert - The leaders of LA want the Dem Presidential Candidates to come address the Homeless Crisis in LA - but they ALL refuse. Why? 1 - They won't address it because it is not a Republican problem. It's a Dem Problem and everyone knows it - because they completely own the State. Can't blame this one on Trump. 2 - Why talk about it at all? They don't need to because - again - they completely own the State and will win California in the next election, no matter what. Let's talk about Baltimore. The murder rate is thru the roof. It is listed as the 19th most dangerous city IN THE WORLD!!! The last Mayor there, a Black Female, was caught on video tape walking thru the indigent area and she was overwhelmed by the stench of dead rat bodies - hundreds of thousands. They say that they are all over the street - run over by cars - and rotting. But millions of $$$ are poured in there to try to do something about it. Some of the worst schools in the country. It has been Dem run now for many decades. Let's talk about Flint, Michigan. The poisonous water. The millions of $$$ poured in there to clean it up. Nothing happened. Where did the money go??? Sounds worse than the RP - the Dem corruption is so deep. Can't blame it on the Republicans - or Trump. Let's talk about Detroit - I've seen the photos. In the 1930s and 40s it was literally Emerald City - Modern, Clean. But after 70 years of Dem control - it is horrifying. Google Detroit photos - looks like Berlin at the end of WW II in many areas. Sorry Dems - it's been under your control for around 7 decades. Let's talk about the City by The Bay - Glorious San Francisco. I left my heart there a long time ago. You can download Phone Apps that show you the areas to avoid where there's Human Feces and Urine and dirty needles. Our "Esteemed" Governor, Gavin Newsom, led that City until recently. He says he wants ALL of California to be like his beloved San Francisco. REALLY??? He's got his head stuck up his his Liberal Ass!! I wanted to live in CA since I was little - cuz of Disneyland and beaches. I moved here 28 years ago - and tearfully can't wait to leave. Next stop - The Philippines - in about 11 months. It is a tragedy. I pray to God that the Dems don't do to the rest of the country what they have done to the cities I have mentioned. I forgot to bring up Chicago - a Gun Free Zone. Averages 25 to 50 Gun Deaths per weekend - mostly "Black On Black" crime. So tragic. Now, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson - The Justice Brothers - will march on any town where a cop might happen to kill a Black man. But they never march in the streets of Chicago where all these poor people are murdered - hundreds of them every year. How's that Gun Free Zone / Gun Control working out for ya Chicago??? Don't bring it to the rest of the Country - please!! F$#K@#g HYPOCRITES!! It's ALL Political - and I am sick of it!!

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darkfader24
7/31/2019 04:11 EST

Very good question, Mr Kar. I guess it's just "Priorities".

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TeeJay4103
7/31/2019 07:03 EST

darkfader24

Well said and spot on.

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 10:32 EST

Dark, I could write a book on this but, all I can say is...I feel your pain.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 11:40 EST

Robertdav298 California is full of GOP homeless people too.

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 11:51 EST

Goslig,

California just wants to open the door to the world and love everybody. Light a joint and smell the poop!

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 11:51 EST

Goslig,

California just wants to open the door to the world and love everybody. Light a joint and smell the poop!

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Goslig
7/31/2019 12:08 EST

Robertdav298 47% of Maryland's population is University educated. It has a Republican Governor, Larry Hogan. Maryland is ranked 13th out of 50 states by usnews.com Baltimore has the highest homicide rate in the US. Southwestern Baltimore County is dangerous. Maryland’s median income is $39,960. Air & water quality rank is 37, but pollution is rank is 15. So much fake news in the politics of Democrat bashing, though Maryland is run by Republicans. A far cry from the Philippines.

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surfingcebu
7/31/2019 12:16 EST

Goslig and other - I see the RP as mostly right of centre in thinking ....am I wrong ? . I see a strong social commitment , but fiscal conservatives. Is there anywhere in the RP like they are in Portland or Oregon ? ( way left of the left mark.) Just wondering . Never came crossed this real left thinking in the RP ....although I dont get involved in politics at all in the RP . I scatter real quick when a public square talk is on about one arty or another ....although very interesting . not real sad either .

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 12:19 EST

Maryland may have a republican governor but nearly all their members of congress are democrats (one representative is a republican out of 8). The state (especially near D.C.) is Democrat.

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Rickster1000
7/31/2019 12:24 EST

I have lived in California for 57 years (L.A. 25yrs / Orange co 7yrs / Riverside Co Temecula 25yrs ) .
yeah we have had homeless since I was a kid but just the last 10 years it has got out of control.

I believe the bad economy and unemployment had lots to do with it. Obama did nothing. Also lots of African American people thought when Obama was elected they would get a free ride.

California has a big problem with future generations, Raising a family you need discipline, but here even if you spank your kid you go to jail, and the kid knows it.

Kids disrespect Laws,Parents schools, elders etc.....

So when you look at the Issues it starts at home.

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 12:33 EST

Surf,

The Philippines politically is confusing to me. The left in the U.S. basically believes in redistribution of wealth. Taking money from those who earned it and give it to everyone else (yes I know, conservatives are also guilty of this)...Robin Hood. In the Philippines it seems like Robin Hood takes money and keeps it for himself. Socially, I would call them conservative with a few harsh exceptions. Our homosexuals in the U.S. would feel very much at home there. I would estimate overall, center right.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 12:49 EST

darkfader24 There is good gun control in Chicago’s public housing where it’s banned. Chicago Housing Police raids create a crescendo of guns hitting the ground after being thrown out of windows. You are evicted if you’re strapped. Then you end up in a burned out building full of crack heads. Chicago never had a gun problem until around 1972 when the white Chicago police slaughtered an apartment full of Black Panthers. Then the Ghetto gunned up. Homicide has actually gone down in Chicago.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 13:00 EST

LovePhilly If that’s accurate then why are rents and real estate prices astronomically high in California? What’s needed is a colder climate like Whitehorse in the Yukon. No homeless sidewalk s@#ters there or you’re flash frozen.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 13:05 EST

LovePhilly Odd that all those Democrats would elect a Republican Governor. Go figure?

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LovePhilly
7/31/2019 15:38 EST

Goslig, That's right about the governor in MD. All I can figure is the more rural and conservative western part of the state spoke up. We don't have any homeless here in WV either. To cold for that nonsense. Our winters also keep the insect and rodent problem down.

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darkfader24
7/31/2019 16:54 EST

Dear LovePhilly - In the RP it's not Robin Hood taking the money and keeping it. It's King John and The Sheriff of Nottingham taking and keeping. If it were Robin, then the poor would be getting a large amount of it. In other words, it's the powerful at the top taking and keeping the money. Same here in the Good Ol' USA.

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darkfader24
7/31/2019 17:01 EST

Gosling - Not really. Those kinds of things happen all the time. In Democrat run California they threw out Gray Davis (D) and put in Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, to replace him - mid term. And then he was re-elected. Conservative Indiana, where my Son lives, had very Conservative Repub Governor Mike Pence, yet has Pete Buttigieg who is about as Radical Left as you can get. People are hard to pigeon-hole.

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Robertdav298
7/31/2019 18:25 EST

SURF......I see you watch the news ! If you do a deep dive you will find that EVERY "SANCTUARY CITY" has major crime, poverty and homeless and the DEMS continue to push their ridiculous policy.

I predict DT will win a massive victory in 2020 because of the policies or lack their of the DEMS. People like the SQUAD are helping DT.....everyday....with every tweet.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 20:28 EST

RobertDav - please check your GOP assumptions contrived for the DT campaign before spreading them. Sanctuary Cities are not at the top of the crime rate statistics. Oakland California is only one of the top 25.

It may be surprising to note that some of the country's biggest cities are not on this list. New York City has a violent crime rate of 585.8 per 100,000 people, which is considerably lower than the entries on this list. Los Angeles, the second most populated city in the country, has a violent crime rate of 634.8 per 100,000 inhabitants according to the FBI.
The 25 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States

Rank ??City State Violent Crime Rate (Per 100,000 People)
1 St. Louis Missouri 1,817.10
2 Detroit Michigan 1,759.60
3 Memphis Tennessee 1,740.10
4 Milwaukee Wisconsin 1,596.10
5 Baltimore Maryland 1,535.90
6 Oakland California 1,442.50
7 Kansas City Missouri 1,417.30
8 Stockton California 1,352.00
9 Cleveland* Ohio 1,334.30
10 Indianapolis Indiana 1,288.00
11 Washington District Of Columbia 1,202.60
12 Toledo Ohio 1,128.90
13 Atlanta Georgia 1,119.60
14 Buffalo New York 1,118.60
15 NashvilleMetropolitan Tennessee 1,101.00
16 Newark* New Jersey 1,077.70
17 Anchorage Alaska 1,070.90
18 Minneapolis Minnesota 1,062.90
19 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 1,029.00
20 Miami Florida 1,021.30
21 Wichita Kansas 984.8
22 Houston Texas 966.7
23 Albuquerque New Mexico 965.8
24 New Orleans Louisiana 949.6
25 Orlando Florida 940.6

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ACEPoolPlayer
7/31/2019 21:47 EST

Everyone certainly needs a lot of toilet paper to get involved with these political discussion.

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Goslig
7/31/2019 22:10 EST

ACEPoolPlayer So true. Lies are the worst type of projectile diarrhoea in politics and should not be weaponised. But washing it off beats wiping it. There is a forum for the USA. Philippine politics is OK here, but I’m tired of seeing Trump-base propaganda on all the news, all the time. I like this forum to stick to issues here in the country that “is having more fun” (?). At least DU-30 has an outstanding approval rate. I live here to get away from the tribalism that has taken over back in the USA.

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Morgacj2004
7/31/2019 23:44 EST

Since you brought it up the so called "tribalism" in the US is all brought on by the PC left wing crowd and the biased mainstream media. Trump has faced more scrutiny than any other president. Luckily he knows how to dish it out.

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darkfader24
8/1/2019 02:20 EST

Ace - You're right. We do tend to throw a lot of S#*t around here - me, most of all.........

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Morgacj2004
8/1/2019 02:33 EST

The cold in WV has nothing to do with not having homeless it is the attitude. I spend a good part of the year in Anchorage Alaska and we have a huge homeless population. Our mayor coddles them and their is currently a huge controversy. One of them started a fire this summer (20 acres) which cost more than a million dollars to put out.

PS It gets down to minus 30 in the winter here

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darkfader24
8/1/2019 02:45 EST

Gosling - Yeah, the USA is getting intense. Nothing new, though. Starting with the French-Indian Wars, the Revolutionary War, 1812, Andrew Jackson, Civil War, campaigns against "The Red Man", Let's not forget The Alamo, Spanish-American, WW I, WW II, Korean, The Vietnam "Police Action" (50,000 dead), the Civil Rights Movement and associated riots thereafter (Philadelphia - the block I lived on, Detroit, Watts), the 1968 Democratic Convention and the SDS, Rodney King, Ferguson, MO, Freddie Gray and Rat Infested Baltimore, Portland, OR clashes in the street, with plenty more fun to come. People's hearts are constantly in upheaval - therefore, sadly, so is Society. The USA can't get away from it. It's always been there. But it seems the RP also is quite "Tribal". I see endless warnings on how, as a Kano, I need to keep my head low and be beyond impeccable at all times. I'm cool with that - as a guest. The USA is nuthin' like this, though. I remember seeing Mexicans from Mexico (my Dad is from Mexico City) in Phoenix, burning and dancing on "Old Glory" at the State Capital - and yelling in the News Camera (while shaking Axes) how they were going to do all the Whites in. Nothing happened to them. Maybe a few were hauled off to Slam for a day or two - but then released. Try doing the reciprocal in Mexico. Try doing that in the RP. The USA takes a lot of you-know-what. Obama flew pallets of cash, $150 Billion (?!?), to Iran - the same Iran that burns our Flag and chants "Death To America" - "Death To Israel". Yeah, we are pretty damn tolerant. And Trump ain't Hitler, even though I hear it all the time. Hitler rounded up all of his foes and put bullets in the backs of their heads - if they were lucky, while they fell face forward into mass graves. AOC doesn't have a clue as to what a Nazi Concentration Camp looked like with piles of skeletal remains. My Step-Dad, a Pathologist and County Coroner, knows the smell of death. He visited Dauchau. 40 years after the Holocaust. He said he could still smell death there from a mile away.

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Goslig
8/1/2019 03:45 EST

Morgacj2004 I guess rigging his election with Vladimir Putin and obstructing justice, hiring his kids and hiding his taxes had something to do with that. He lies all the time. I respect your difference of opinion about him, but ask yourself how LEFT is Russia? Enough said. You’re welcome to have the final word. I’m done, and I don’t want to think about it anymore. That’s why I like it here. But many if not most on this forum still live in the US and are caught up in it. Peace!

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Goslig
8/1/2019 03:55 EST

darkfader24 As good a rant as any. You’re right, it’s endless. A non stop non military civil war. I think Trump is as American as you can get, and that is his appeal to some who have those same stripes. America deserves the chaos and conning that come with Trump. But the mitigating forces are marshalling themselves. 2020 is America’s zeitgeist.

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8/1/2019 08:45 EST

OFF TOPIC

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Something is very wrong here, Can anyone notify our moderator?

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Peacekeeper007
8/1/2019 12:27 EST

Spruik,
Check your settings. You are the only one that seems to be having problems. Let me know.

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darkfader24
8/1/2019 14:42 EST

Gosling - I respect your opinion - although I do not completely agree with everything. If Trump is "conning America" - so is just about everyone in our Nation's Capital. As far as Putin helping him into office - is that the same Putin that Trump took the natural gas exports from that Germany/Merkel were getting from Russia and shifted them to the USA? Or who we were fighting in Syria or Ukraine? Or who buzzed our planes and battleships? Hmmm. Maybe it's real collusion with real evidence when Obama leaned over and said (caught on camera - oops!) "I'll have more flexibility after I'm re-elected" in regards to our Nuclear Defense (to President Medvedev - before incoming Putin). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXx0zxTarE. I keep hearing about Trump's Collusion but we've had 7 Investigations: "The Senate Intelligence Committee", "The House Intelligence Committee", "The Department of Justice" special counsel investigation led by former FBI Director Robert Mueller, "The Senate Judiciary Committee", The NSA, The CIA, The FBI. Any evidence - one little tiny iota / shred of molecular sized evidence so far? We all know that the Dems, the "Never Trump" Republicans, and the Main Stream Media are drooling for a molecule of evidence to nail this guy to the wall. So where is it? Mueller's hand selected 15 Lawyers that made up his team are all heavy donators to the Democrat Party, so we know where their interests lie. Talk about a stacked deck. A jury of your peers - NOT. I'm just interested in facts, not a Witch Hunt. I'm a hard core conservative - and voted for Nixon twice - but when his Watergate guilt became obvious I was screaming for his blood as loud as any Democrat. He betrayed everyone in this great Country - everyone - and he should have paid the price. He should have gone to jail - but I guess we don't do that to our Presidents. To me NO ONE is above the law - especially when it comes to Traitorous Acts. If Trump is guilty - Jail Time!! But I want to see evidence. I don't want to hear opinions, hate, and Bullsh*t. Facts Talk - Bullsh*t Walks.

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Robertdav298
8/1/2019 19:47 EST

GOSLIG......LOOK AT MY POST AGAIN.......it was to SURF.....it was a conversation with him........yes I am aware of the crime and poverty cities. My comment about 2020 was merely my perception based on what is happening everyday.
AGREE or DISAGREE.......makes no difference to me.

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8/2/2019 02:10 EST

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8/4/2019 23:58 EST

I created a new topic on the matter of SPAMHAUS,ORG but did not appear.

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darkfader24
8/5/2019 13:45 EST

Gentlemen - So back to the original subject of Public Restrooms, etc - Are there at least sinks with soap to wash your hands in these places? Or is that what the original Post meant when it said to never shake hands with anyone first thing in the morning? Are things THAT unsanitary in the RP? Thank you for all of your responses thoughout this thread.

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Tsmslf
8/5/2019 18:20 EST

It was not the original post which said that. It was the initial response to the post which said that as written by that most lucid of writers and thinkers. And who, as a lawyer, hates to see his credits misapplied.

BTW, you forgot he suggested that Arabs never shake hands and that toilet habits are the reasons.

To me, the preferred way is the bidet though it is not available where I am or, at least, not yet. There is a toilet seat bidet now on the market which doesn't require heavy plumbing and which I'm considering.

One wonders what people do in remote parts of our world. Never thought about it before. I do recall my first encounters with a shovel when in the military way back. It's just not a topic one really is concerned about other than wanting to know where the head is when necessary and then praying it's clean and with paper.

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surfingcebu
8/5/2019 21:16 EST

dark - in the higher end hotels in Cebu and Manila , soap and paper exists and very clean - its like 'shangrila' after being in the RP for 4-6 months HA!!! :)

90% of the rest's,bars and other . Toilet paper stolen , Soap gone or stolen.

Here is a tip, Mcdonalds has reasonable CR's and has anti-bacterial soap . I saw a guard once filling a 1/4 litre of the stuff in a Gatorade bottle prior to end of shift . BUT most have endless supply of it at this establishment.

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darkfader24
8/6/2019 00:03 EST

Thank you, Tsmslf. I never saw anything on my computer before the comment about never shake hands in the RP first thing in the AM. Anyway, I am still wondering - Are sinks with running water and soap provided in most "CRs" in the RP. I would love to wash my hands in a restaurant (or anywhere) - and I would hope that the Kitchen Personnel are doing the same - before handling our food !! Maybe I'm asking a bit much - but if I am, then maybe there is something to the idea that the I.Q. is lower in the RP.

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LarryKar
8/6/2019 01:49 EST

dark another tip I don't believe anyone mentioned some fast food places and nicer but not high-end places will have the handwashing sink not in the CR but outside in the hallway. Sometimes you have to look for it. I run into a lot of blower type hand dryers. Not a fan of those but harder to steal and better than the legs of your pants.

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mactan64
8/6/2019 02:37 EST

Mate I learn't the hard way that u must always carry a few sheets of toilet paper folded in ur pocket if goeing to the mall etc.I have found better restaurants have toilet tissue.The toilet attendant at the toilets in the mall's usually keep the liquid soap toped up though.

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LarryKar
8/6/2019 05:16 EST

dark: Fast food places and "better" cafes will have a CR and hand washing sink. However the sink may be located out in the hallway not in the CR. Sometimes you have to look around or watch where others go. At least in my area I run into those electric blower hand dryers. Harder to steal so it offsets the price of paper towels vs electric usage, I suppose.

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Goslig
8/6/2019 11:40 EST

As for all the upscale stores, restaurants and malls in Davao City, toilet paper is provided just inside the entrance by the sinks, not in the stalls, but out where the attendant can keep an eye on it. I have seen signs in some restaurants CR’s say “for peeing only”, and “no peeing on the floor”. Air hand driers are toxic. That air blows everyones dripping hands everywhere. I just use my own clean handkerchief. Before you eat and when you get home wash your hands. I haven’t been sick with the runs for many months now. Cabs are polluted too. It’s common to see Filipino men peeing publicly. I don’t shake a lot of hands here.

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darkfader24
8/6/2019 15:53 EST

Thank you, Surf, Mactan, Tsmlf, Larry, Gosling, and all - Excellent advice. I believe I will carry a package of Hand Wipes like "Wet Wipes" (here in the States). They have an Anti-Bacterial Liquid on them that is safe for both hands and Butt. It would probably be good not only for CR use, but after you come in contact with many surfaces - just to wipe your hands as a Precautionary move. Question: Do they have a product similar to "Wet Wipes" available in the Drug Stores or Super Markets in the RP?

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ACEPoolPlayer
8/6/2019 17:13 EST

darkfader,
Let's call restaurants 1-5 (5 being a restaurant in a 4 or 5 start hotel). I think you'll find any restaurant that's above a 2.5 star (usually one with an air conditioner) will have a sink with running water. Maybe not hot but running. As far as soap and paper towels to wipe your hands, I'd say maybe anyplace over a 3.5 stars. Paper towels get wasted, put in the toilets (clog it up) and soap stolen or wasted in lower quality places that cater to lower quality clientele. Lower level establishments would usually have at least a bucket of water somewhere nearby. In the U.S. most restaurants and public restrooms are using hot air blowers rather than paper towels.

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surfingcebu
8/6/2019 21:51 EST

Dark, they have similar products as wet-ones like in the USA / Europe , and 'babywipes' ( same thing )

One tip is - I carried a small roll of toilet paper, paper towels and liquid soap in the storage on my bike . No, soap/ paper - no issues :)

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surfingcebu
8/6/2019 21:57 EST

Goslig is right , I dont shake a lot of hands here either an always pack a small gel alcohol bottle in my back pack too .
germs and the hot humid weather are a killer for bacteria . Skin boil- type lessons are everywhere in the RP . I think they call them "pigs eye" . Get some Pollysporin issued by DR ( stronger stuff is available too by prescription in Canada - cant remember the name - I have it always in my suitcase along with Doxycycline 100MG and Z-pack and other stuff ... and pack them in your suitcase

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draks
8/6/2019 22:19 EST

Why not live in a bubble? Much safer.
Who would have thought big paper would generate such a long stream.

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darkfader24
8/6/2019 22:35 EST

Ace - Thank you. Hmmmm, a bucket of water. And who knows what has been on the many hands that have utilized that very water before you...... Yikes!!!

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Goslig
8/6/2019 22:50 EST

surfingcebu I had one of those pigs eyes between my shoulders. Three weeks of antibiotics and Bactroban didn’t heal it. Finally resorted to have it surgically removed. Saw a Filipino at the doctors office with one on his leg. Do they even have health inspectors here? Joke.

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surfingcebu
8/7/2019 00:28 EST

Gosling- I think it’s called a “pig eye” . One nasty skin infection and it’s everywhere. If your in the RP long enjoy your going to get them sometimes many. It’s a really resistant bacteria type skin Boil I’m gathering.
I had the start of one in my ankle. Hurt like hell. I lanced it myself, before it spread. Alcohol packs after for 3 days . Cured. Thanks gosh.
A pinoy friend of mine had one one his neck . Very serious health situation after 1 month of doing nothing.

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darkfader24
8/7/2019 01:09 EST

Gosling/Surf - I have had "Herpes/Cold Sores" break out on my lips since I was a Teen. My daughter taught me a trick that works perfectly - "ACETONE" - Yep, incredible and extremely toxic. I put some on a Q-Tip the moment a cold sore starts to rear it's ugly head on a lip and use it consistently for a couple of days and it goes away. I have used very expensive prescription topicals and they didn't work anywhere near as good as cheap acetone. Since Herpes is a viral infection, and I don't know what your infections are - well, maybe try acetone the moment that your infection tries to crop up. Use with care. It will burn - but will probably Deep 6 whatever it is that is bothering you. Just a suggestion for some experimentation.......

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surfingcebu
8/7/2019 01:32 EST

Dark , I really don’t know what pig-eye bacteria is. It’s a contact type of infection, that sets quickly. I shower and soap-up twice a day, if not more, depending on activity. It’s an amazing subset of bacteria, as does not need hardly any time to migrate into lower levels of skin. Especially virulent type of skin infection . I think it is unique to the Philippines actually. I have never seen or heard of it in Vietnam Malaysia, Singapore or the like.
Acetone? Interesting, it’s worth a try for people. Thank you for the suggestion. This type of infection goes to the deeper part of the skin. It’s not on the surface. But it’s worth a try.

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Goslig
8/7/2019 03:52 EST

darkfader24 Herpes simplex not transferable to genital (herpes). I had serious problems with it for a few years during high stress episodes in my circumstances. At the first sign on its tell-tale tingling, Zovirax cream applied immediately and repetitively will dramatically reduce the healing time. It’s effectiveness depends on how quickly you start dabbing it. Evidently we are born with herpes simplex in our bodies. Never got it in the Philippines, but my daughter got her first spot on her tongue. I previously would get it in the winter months after an extreme job pressure stress or personal crisis. Too old for that now.

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darkfader24
8/7/2019 17:55 EST

Gos - Yes, I was born with Herpes Simplex. I have outbreaks during extreme stress, long days in the Sun, but most especially if I slightly nick my lip while shaving. Makes my lip swell up hideously for about 1 & 1/2 weeks. Well, when my daughter was about 2 years old I foolishly kissed her on the cheek not realizing that my lip was slightly bleeding - and lo and behold, it still shows up on her almost 32 year old cheek in the exact same spot. She also has a very slight scar there, mostly hidden by makeup. She saw on line the Acetone trick. She uses a nail polish remover that has acetone among the ingredients - and it works immediately every time. We have both been using it for about 6 years now - and it is what we currently rely on. Yes, we have used the heavy duty Doctor Prescribed creams, etc which worked well - but the best of them didn't work half as well. Nothing can live in the presence of acetone. As I said, it's very toxic - so we use very little and very rarely - as neither of us get an outbreak very often anymore. Maybe once every 2 years.

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Tsmslf
8/8/2019 19:22 EST

What election rigging? So far, 5 separate investigations have found zero evidence of any campaign collaboration.

Hiring his kids is not a crime. JFK did it - he hired his brother to be the Attorney General and protect him. The Trumps don't get paid either at least the President doesn't - he takes no salary. The Clintons took White House furniture when they left.

As for "hiding" his taxes, he has no legal duty to show them and I'll bet there's nothing there as his tax preparing CPAs surely do them by the book.

And you're surprised a politician lies? Did you get to keep your doctor? And who gave $150 billion in CASH to the Iranians and denied it was a bribe or for ransom? Not Trump. Then you have the Palestinian lover which is another way of saying Jew-hater in your Congressional caucus.

Your Biden character is always wanting to punch someone in the face like Booker. Big macho plagiarist who was close to last in his class at law school, who has never held a private sector job in his life and who has been finagling money from the Chinese for his son.

You losers are still whining because Crooked Hillary lost because she ran a poor race. Her husband, like Trump, did not have a voter majority either time but smartly won the Electoral College. I'd take him back over any present candidate but never her.

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Morgacj2004
8/8/2019 20:36 EST

Tsmlf while I agree with everything you said your post has nothing to do with the PI or TP and we Americans on this blog agreed to stay on topic after SUG got booted by the Peacekeeper

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Robertdav298
8/8/2019 20:55 EST

TMS....while agree 100% with your post ad I am truly as frustrated as you.........I hold my comments about US Politics because as MORGAC said......this forum is not the place.

Suggestion.........if you so desire to talk about AMERICAN/WORLD POLITICS simply create a NEW thread entitled AMERICAN POLITICS.........those who wish to comment can access the thread, those who are offended do not have to comment.

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Tsmslf
8/8/2019 20:57 EST

Morgajc2004 - Who/what is/was SUG?

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Tsmslf
8/8/2019 21:05 EST

My post was in response to BS by Gasbag, a sore loser to beat the band. I'll do my best to lay off though it's difficult. Frankly, you should direct your critique to Gasbag who began this . Just review the sequence. Thanks for the info though; I'll try to control my reflexive thoughts to these defamers; I'm a bit of a newbie still.

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Morgacj2004
8/8/2019 21:07 EST

Let them rant and rave and peacekeeper will eventually step in

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Morgacj2004
8/8/2019 21:08 EST

Stand up guy the one and only

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Robertdav298
8/8/2019 21:31 EST

RIP........SUG

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LarryKar
8/8/2019 21:55 EST

Hit delete Hit delete. He is he is
" way to deep in the big muddy". There feel much better.

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mactan64
8/9/2019 02:11 EST

Please don't take this the wrong way but 'what has ur statement got to do with living in the philippines'

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ACEPoolPlayer
8/9/2019 08:46 EST

Goslig wrote "Herpes simplex not transferable to genital (herpes).


Wrong information! Herpes Simplex #1 (cold sores) and Herpes Simplex #2 (genital or rectum) are both contagious. Simplex #1 can cause genital herpes. So be careful!

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Tsmslf
8/9/2019 11:27 EST

In 2016, while Russians were hacking in states, who was president? Not Trump. And the VP is that despicable dumbell Biden. You have no case from that information.

And Trump takes no salary so whatever his golf costs, the taxpayer is way ahead. And, of course, HffPost is another unbiased news media outlet and an arm of the DNC.

As for purists demanding no US politics here, why not? Most of us are Americans aren't we? Aren't most RP expats Americans? We can't vote or be elected in the RP so US politics is our main political interest. It is more our country than the RP I would think/hope.

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Tsmslf
8/9/2019 11:28 EST

In 2016, while Russians were hacking in states, who was president? Not Trump. And the VP is that despicable dumbell Biden. You have no case from that information.

And Trump takes no salary so whatever his golf costs, the taxpayer is way ahead. And, of course, HffPost is another unbiased news media outlet and an arm of the DNC.

As for purists demanding no US politics here, why not? Most of us are Americans aren't we? Aren't most RP expats Americans? We can't vote or be elected in the RP so US politics is our main political interest. It is more our country than the RP I would think/hope.

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Earnestndeavor
8/9/2019 18:51 EST

Goslig-

“he doesn’t need a salary on top of $102 million in his pocket already”

What amount disqualifies one from deserving a salary?

Just wondering

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Robertdav298
8/9/2019 20:13 EST

TS.......I may be wrong but I think there was a post on this forum where someone provided the country of origin of EXPATS........ correct me if I am wrong but I think these are the numbers:

1) china
2) korea
3) japan
4) us
5) australia

Surf......your thoughts

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Robertdav298
8/9/2019 20:17 EST

Sorry I forgot INDIA......and I think they are in the top 5

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Robertdav298
8/9/2019 20:18 EST

Like I suggested open a thread

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stevehud
8/11/2019 20:26 EST

Plenty of toilet paper here in the Philippines. Every store has it. If you want US toilet paper try HMR in Clark or Subic bay Freeport Zone. for AngleSoft to Scott 1000 sheet only 20Php. it cost over a dollar in Hawaii.

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mactan64
8/12/2019 00:35 EST

I once used the 'Sun Star Newspaper' once in Cebu,only P10 & u can tear litrally 100,s of sheets for use.I attached them to a paper clip on the wall stuck with chewing gum.

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mactan64
8/12/2019 00:39 EST

I once used the 'cebu Sunstar Newspaper' while living in Lapu Lapu.It only cost me P10 & I got litrally hundreds of torn sheets & attached them to a paper clip on the toilet door & used chewing gum to fasten the paper clip to the door.

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mactan64
8/12/2019 00:59 EST

U never find toilet seats at gass stations or similar area's as they are stolen as soon as installed & never replaced as the new one's would go just as fast.

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Robertdav298
8/12/2019 04:38 EST

Steven, we are not saying you cannot find TP here in the RP!
What we are saying is finding a nice clean CR with a toilet seat and TP are very rare UNLESS you are at a resort or upscale hotel.

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ACEPoolPlayer
8/12/2019 08:37 EST

Mactan,
My guess is you weren't fond of the Sunstar Newspaper. It's good to see you have adjusted well to Philippine life. You would be right about toilet seats in gas station but I'd doubt they ever even considered putting a toilet seat in to begin with. Toilet seats are a luxury item, not unless it was a "5 star" gas station. Most Filipinos would only stand on it anyway unless maybe if it was in their home. Not knocking Filipinos but it's a cultural thing, unless they grew up in a upper middle class home that had toilet seats,

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ACEPoolPlayer
8/12/2019 13:44 EST

I had an export business to Japan while I was living in the Philippines. I've had many workers at one time or another. They all stood on the seats and left footprints. I'm not sure what women do but most of the guys who weren't from upper middle class backgrounds stood on the seats.

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darkfader24
8/12/2019 19:11 EST

Ace - Did they stand on the toilet seats for fear of picking up a disease or something unsanitary? Like, Filipino guys "miss" and pee on the seats - so I'm not going to sit on one - I'm going to stand on it. Or maybe they just grew up standing over a ho;e - so that is how they relate to the seat.

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onememphisdude
10/19/2019 00:45 EST

Amazed on my first trip to RP. Layover at Haneda Airport. The restrooms. My God. The toilets were like a jetliner cockpit. Bidet, with hot and cold. Air blower. So many options! In my final stop in Manila...I learned about Sprayers, (Bum Guns), attached to a toilet. Works well. Then....the hard lesson. Walking around and the need hit. 7/11 will NOT allow you to use their restroom. So....on to next door gas station. Hurried in to find...No Paper! A bucket and a Dipper. (TABO) Learned to use that puppy in a hurry. Wish I had seen the parody video "TABO" by Mikey Bustos on You Tube. Its an education!

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