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Goslig
8/22/2019 18:31 EST
LovePhilly If you’re referring to the Liberal Party of the Philippines. I must agree with you.
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Goslig
8/22/2019 18:38 EST
mattinnorfolk Seems the Forum is being dominated by a few who want to turn it into a Trump campaign rally instead of being a forum for Expats living in the Philippines. Nice thing about living here is, at least for me, is I can get away from this civil war created by the GOP which was once a relevant party.
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Morgacj2004
8/22/2019 19:02 EST
Seems to me that a Canadien really has no business commenting on Anerican politics just as you dont hear me commenting on Canadien politics .As far as relevance goes the GOP still controls the presidency and Senate?
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mattinnorfolk
8/22/2019 20:31 EST
Philly, you are probably correct, I that many Liberals suck. I am guessing many Conservatives do as well.
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mattinnorfolk
8/22/2019 20:56 EST
Let's trade Rhode Island for Greenland to Denmark, and a state to be named later. or they can have D.C. for free, as long as they leave the monuments and take the swamp!
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surfingcebu
8/22/2019 22:27 EST
Greenland for Elizebeth - The Native Indian with blue eyes- Warren . Straight trade . Fake beer drinker and all. ;).
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mootpoint20
8/23/2019 03:00 EST
He once was, but was drafted for Vietnam and ran away. Now, he's neurotic, guilty, and bitter. Don't blame Canada for the debris that washes upon its shore.
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LarryKar
8/23/2019 04:21 EST
Fine start. However the first one who declares himself " The King of Isreal and The Second Coming" is off the page for good. Agreed?
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darkfader24
8/23/2019 04:51 EST
TimL - Nawww - Everyone's just blowing some carbon out of their carburetors. I.E. - They're just getting out of their system. :-)
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tlallen59
8/23/2019 05:31 EST
" I can get away from this civil war created by the GOP which was once a relevant party." HA that's rich and so typical. You don't see us running around with masks on throwing concrete and beating innocent people in the streets. That's your que to call me a racist white supremacist which is all you people have left. With a approval rating of 35% among the black community your party is in trouble. People are waking up and seeing the pandering and don't like it. Better try something besides orange man is Hitler and free sh#t for everybody because that's not working for you.
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Robertdav298
8/23/2019 05:42 EST
GOOD TRADE......I WOULD GIVE THEM CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK AS WELL.......ALSO THOW in BILL DIBLASIO
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Goslig
8/23/2019 08:47 EST
Just one post on this topic:
Statistics from WHO, UNICEF, the Global Competitiveness Report, and the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME)
The GCR in fact said "The U.S. had an extraordinarily big number of very low rankings"
Here’s where we stand compared to the rest of the world:
#10 most dangerous country for women
#27 in overall education (down from #17 in 2017)
#27 in human capital (level of education and health in a population — in 1990 the US was #6)
#12 in university degrees
#38 in quality of primary education
#38 in quality of math education
#24 in quality of science education
#125 in overall literacy
#47 in overall healthcare (down from #44 in 2017)
LAST in healthcare “efficiency, equity and outcomes”
#64 in life expectancy (down from #43 in 2017)
#34 healthiest country — includes life expectancy, causes of death, and health risks (high blood pressure, tobacco use, malnutrition, availability of clean water, etc.)
WORST rate of maternal death in the developed world
#26 in infant mortality rates
#47 in infant survival
#26 in child well-being
#25 in child poverty
#14 in per capita murders
#7 in quality of life
#80 in soundness of banks
#14 in availability of latest technology
#24 in internet access in schools
#19 in national satisfaction
#67 in slavery (yes that’s TODAY)
#30 in reliability of police services
#7 in broadband internet availability (S. Korea and Estonia rank higher)
#33 in internet speed (even Romania ranks higher)
#23 in gender equality
#46 in freedom of the press (this was before trump — we’ll drop like a stone now)
#23 in housing
#24 in literacy
#17 in happiness
#8 in quality of older adult life
#99 in peacefulness
#24 in freedom from corruption (again this was before trump)
#9 in retirement security
#10 in economic freedom
#23 in wage distribution
#11 in minimum wage
#25 in GDP per capita
#7 in homicides
#12 in prosperity
#25 in overall infrastructure
#33 in quality of electricity supply
#99 in mobile telephone subscriptions
#20 in quality of roads
But take heart! We do rank #1 or #2 in these things:
#1 in percentage of population in prison
#1 in teen pregnancies
#1 in CO2 emissions
#1 in gun deaths
#1 in drug overdose deaths
#1 in healthcare costs
#1 in small arms imports
#1 in rape
#1 in divorces
#1 heart attacks
#1 in total crimes
#1 in rate of income inequality in the developed world
#1 most unequal developed nation (as of 2019)
#2 in child poverty
#2 in general ignorance
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acol
8/23/2019 08:58 EST
Are you american, Goslig? If yes, you are really brave and honest.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 09:05 EST
Morgacj2004 Shut your lies about me up. I was born in Henrotin Hospital in Chicago in 1944. Lived in Miami, Anna Maria Island, Bradenton and Key West Florida. Graduated from Roosevelt University at Congress and Michigan Ave. Was never drafted. Too many African Americans in my neighbourhood they wanted sent to the front lines. Moved West to get away from my allergy to ragweed. Visited Vancouver and landed a great job. Visit Vancouver and you will understand. Quit making Horse Feathers up unless you’re too full of them to stop. Now you actually know some facts. Trump is the draft dodger.
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Tsmslf
8/23/2019 09:24 EST
Trump is the draft dodger writes Gasbag. Clinton escaped it too by going to school and never inhaled. Obama failed to serve in the military as well.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 09:29 EST
Missed one to add to the list:
The US is 125th in global literacy. List of Countries By Literacy Rate.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 09:46 EST
acol Oh Yeah, you bet I’m American, and when I lived in Canada, Canuck’s were rude about it, and never let me forget it. Made jokes about 9/11. Made me furious and ready to slug it out with a few. At a fitness centre in Vancouver they cheered when the TV showed the planes strike the twin towers. I flew the American Flag from the porch of my house just to piss off some of my neighbours who ridiculed America. I am a naturalised Canadian, and there are many things I admire about Canada besides its unspoiled natural beauty. Canadians are polite, and Canadians will always help you out if you’re in a jam. Did the other Canadian on this blog ever engage in a personal attack ? No, absolutely not. Just a couple Americans preoccupied with posting about America break that part of the members agreement. The majority of Americans, some of whom disagree with my posts, that are primarily factual, are respectful and we get along. The few who aren’t should stay in America where they belong.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 09:58 EST
Kennedy fought yet Bush was just in the Reserves. George Bush and Michelle Obama best friends...smslf. Does that bother you? I thought you said you’re smart? You got to walk the talk if you talk the talk. Ask Moscow Mitch.
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LovePhilly
8/23/2019 11:02 EST
Goslig,
"Bush was 'just' in the reserves"...I served 27 years just in the reserves and twelve were on active duty. The reserve component represents 50% of Americas total force. These are the guys who work real jobs everyday then show up for the war. I rose from Private to Major just in the reserves and met the very same standards physically and educationally that every regular Army officer had to meet.
I know it wasn't your intend to be insulting but it is.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 11:10 EST
LovePhilly Good on you. That’s a lot of double duty. Sorry for the unintended insult. I actually like George Bush and Regan and some other GOP presidents. Good call.
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surfingcebu
8/23/2019 11:51 EST
Gos- Being Canadian , I consider our American friends to be just that ' natural friends of deep history together'
Laughing at the 9/11 attacks ? wow that is ignorant for people to do that ... they would be laughing at the 'free world ' getting attacked . Problem is In BC we have many many "Canadians' that originate in Arab counties ....they spread their hate for the west among Canadians . Canadians tend to follow the pack - very much pack animals ... they have a hard time thinking for themselves in general .
Its just So So bizarre to see people cheering when seeing our American brothers in trouble . where do we get these people in Canada ? just So wrong on many levels .
It would be like cheering when China takes another island from the Filipinos ( inevitable - Just when ) .... just wrong so many levels . The west still considers the Philippines 'part of the family ' I think .... with most people.
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surfingcebu
8/23/2019 12:00 EST
God Anna Maria island is SO beautiful . My boy played NCAA Div 1 baseball Port Charlotte and area . Of corse Key west holds very found memories for me there as well . Special part of the world ...
Vancouver has changed huh ? Quite toxic now with the waves of immigrants from overseas . We just had a HUGE 'PRO CHINA ' and anti USA , demonstration downtown .... tells you what happened to us . We are still a natural beauty for a city . But , how the culture has changed and the people who inhabit BC now . Arabic in North Vanc. and Mandarin in the core is common language . If you dont speak it ...your out !
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Goslig
8/23/2019 12:33 EST
surfingcebu It wasn’t limited to the one fitness centre in Vancouver, but was directed at me at social events where people laughed at me and said Americans had it coming to them. Overall, most Canadians were appalled, yet know that since the FLQ crisis, most Canadians believe that sort of thing couldn’t happen in Canada. However there was the attack on Stephen Harper at the Parliament Building stopped by the marksmanship of the Sargent at Arms. Yet, during the time of the War Measures Act and the FLQ crisis, American Military was massed at the border in preparation for an invasion of Quebec and only backed off after Canadian Military took prisoner all American Military at the NORAD installations and threatened to shut down the NORAD air defences of the US by cutting cables, an historical fact kept well hidden that I recently discovered. I find QUORA a very articulate blog. Download their APP and check it out.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 12:42 EST
surfingcebu It was great in 1968 when I started working there. I lived in Kits. Then Hong Kong was given to the PRC, and the invasion began. Richmond became a Chinese city and Chinese billionaires bought downtown Vancouver. Some the Indigenous British Columbians I worked with were quite racist against Chinese, but my Melville Street down town office was full of them. Anna Maria was a summer training camp for the Red Socks. Many had homes there.
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surfingcebu
8/23/2019 12:57 EST
Gos - you have had an interesting life . I cant wait to continue our talks over a pint in Davao ....SO looking forward to that ! ..... You may find parts of my life interesting too .
Yes , I know some of the 'natives' are quite race focused .
BTW I spent many hours jogging around Key West - just loved that . I did push ups at the High school there in the field - cant remember the name of it . People were nice to me there . Loved it . ....I would always job past Hemingway's place, too . I read some of his journals he would keep for himself , about fishing off the keys that did not get published - so cool!
Took my scooter often to the marked at that beach that said something like " 90 miles to Havana" or something like that . There I would walk alone ... saying hi to people from all over the world ... and watching the sun set , regularly . I volunteered there , and handed out meals to transients . Some of those transients were sure interesting people . Some former millionaire stock brokers and the like !
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Goslig
8/23/2019 13:36 EST
surfingcebu That would be Key West High. I went there for a while, lived on the docks on Sigsby Bay. on my Step Fathers 48 ft. Fishing boat. That was when they made the movie Operation Petticoat with Cary Grant who came to our school play. During the Cuban Revolution, there was big time gun running there to Castro since the US wasted Mafia controlled Batista out until Castro nationalised US industry. They allowed two surplus WWII fighter planes fully equipped but without ordinance to land at the Bocca Chica Naval Air Base, but then they were fire bombed. The Johnson Wax Company’s 65 foot ocean going Chris Craft Cruiser was overloaded, running their water line about a yard under the surface at night full of tough looking Cubans. When asked what they were loaded with and where they were going, they said to Dry Tortuga, an abandoned island prison camp just off shore of Cuba; where they were dropping outboard motors? LOL. We fished the Gulf Stream for Sailfish. The Gulf Stream is deep purple colour where the Florida Straits are green water. Hemingway had a house on a platform about a mile South of the Navy docks. When a fleet of Shrimp Boats and a fleet of Naval Vessels made port there, there was about 15 men to every woman. My brother and I acted as bodyguards for our mom. The Shore Patrol loaded fallen drunk sailors like sacks of beans on their trucks. We played a few tricks on those staggering back to base with using dead fish on a drive by on my Cushman Eagle scooter . We had no parental supervision since we lived in boat. You know Justin Trudeau’s biological father was Fidel Castro. That’s why he’s a nut job.
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surfingcebu
8/23/2019 13:59 EST
ya , so interesting Gos . !!
hmm I heard JT's father was Castro - IF true, I still am not 100% there yet in believing it ...that would explain everything . As both his mother AND in theory , Father would be confirmed 'but jobs' HA!!! :)
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Tsmslf
8/23/2019 14:13 EST
You must mean Bush the younger as Dad was shot down as a fighter pilot in the South Pacific theater.
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redlandchuck
8/23/2019 19:28 EST
SERIOUSLY Is good to have political discussions free and open in a democracy. But really, this is a group for helping Expats living here to cope and to live well in the Philippines. Besides twitter and Instagram there are many site to discuss complain and argue politics. It wud be nice keep to the real subject of the forum.
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Goslig
8/23/2019 19:51 EST
redlandchuck My sentiments exactly. I live in the Philippines. I am learning all the time.. Sometimes I ask myself do I need this?
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Robertdav298
8/23/2019 19:55 EST
There were 21 posts on this thread started by an American titled "politics". The poster did this out of requests by Americans to have a thread where we could speak about whats going on in the US without offending the general forum.
Guess what there were 8 of the 21 posts by ONE person "guess who" pardon the pun......that is another thread....LOL
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gelynch52ph
8/23/2019 20:52 EST
Last I heard, tRump wants to be Hitler but hasn't yet succeeded. The rest of tlallen59's comment makes no sense whatsoever.
Nobody in either party, and certainly no liberal progressive wants "free sh#t for everybody." Where on earth did he/she get that idea?
Who is " running around with masks on throwing concrete and beating innocent people in the streets?" If you mean the people identifying themselves as anti-fascists; then what is your problem with that? If I were at an event and verbally abused by right wing white supremacists I probably would find responses more effective than throwing concrete.
When attacked either physically or verbally; I respond with equal venom in the most effective manner possible at the time and place.
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gelynch52ph
8/23/2019 21:00 EST
Clinton had an Oxford Rhodes Scholarship, which was a legitimate deferment. The fact that Obama never served makes him a typical American because less than 25% of Americans serve in the military. The difference is that Obama never was of a draft age during any draft year and had no reason to either join or avoid military service.
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Goslig
8/24/2019 02:54 EST
Robertdav298 incorrect. 25 posts by others 13 by me, many in reply to questions asked me. Some reminiscing about Key West with Surf which wasn’t about politics, just chat. Have you taken the role of “unofficial” monitor to negatively scan anything I post on the forum. You have very little else to contribute. You live in the US. Many have commented that this topic is inappropriate as it isn’t about “Expats living in the Philippines”. You are primarily using the forum to carry out a vendetta against me. Personal attacks are forbidden by the Members Agreement. Were you the one who changed my email password twice? You are only making yourself appear as a troublemaker. If you don’t have anything to contribute about the Philippines, just be quiet.
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Robertdav298
8/24/2019 08:01 EST
REDLAND.......you are missing the point of this thread.......yes we are expats, yes the forum is about the RP BUT the reason for this thread is so we can comment on things happening in our country WITHOUT OFFENDING those who CHOOSE to not join this thread.
Simply put if you do not like it.....move on.
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LovePhilly
8/24/2019 10:48 EST
Approximately 7% of Adult Americans have served in the military. It does bother me that the rich cats have usually found a way to avoid service. Always have.
I don't even recognize our country anymore. It's perfectly acceptable for boys to kiss boys. No reason to work hard for money because when you get some the government will take it and give it to somebody else, even a criminal who isn't even a citizen. Democrats maintain race division through language, constantly using the terms white, black, "persons of color". No one can just be a person anymore.
I love my country but I don't love what it's becoming which is another reason I'm so happy to have discovered the Philippines. It's not perfect either but at least there aren't liberal nut jobs in everybody's face all the time.
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Goslig
8/24/2019 11:08 EST
LovePhilly Much of what you say is true. Friends of mine that were being shipped out to the front lines in Vietnam got their orders changed for $5000. They were wealthy African Americans. But I think you are cross eyed about nut jobs because the majority of them are on the right. Those are the ones with guns. When has a socialist gunned down strangers and kids in cold blood?
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Tsmslf
8/24/2019 15:57 EST
How about last week when the Elizabeth Warren supporter shot up the Dayton crowd or when that Commie from New England, Bernie, had one of his supporters shoot and almost kill Republican Congressman Scalise. The killer's name was Hodgkinson or close to that. Then, of course, there was the leftie lunatic who shot congresswoman Giffords a couple of years ago and his fellow lefties tried to pin it on Mrs. Palin. Then your masked cowards, called Antifa, batter people without fear as they pick cities like Portland which has a pussy mayor who won't allow his police department to face them.
Those are your people, not mine.
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darkfader24
8/24/2019 17:39 EST
LovePhilly - "...... Philippines. It's not perfect either but at least there aren't liberal nut jobs in everybody's face all the time." Amen - and let's hope it stays that way. Regarding "Race" in the USA - I like what Michael Jackson said in a song "I don't want to live my life being a color!" Yes - I am NOT a color. I am a Human Being. I am an American. I enjoy my various ethnicities - of which I have no control, being that I was born the way I am. But the reality is I am just another person, who speaks English, has B-Pos blood, breathes Oxygen. My B-Pos blood can save the life of anyone else who has that type of blood. It does not care what Country that person is from nor his/her ethnicity. I work long and hard, pay my taxes, and try to be as kind and helpful to my Fellow Human Being as possible. I don't care what Ethnicity they are nor from which Country they are from. My philosophy is: "If God made you, who am I to criticize? We are both here and we must be our Brother's and Sister's keeper." I wish more people had this personal outlook, instead of trying to take advantage of each other, hurting each other, etc.
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redlandchuck
8/24/2019 19:33 EST
fine discuss all you want but you still dont quite understand the reason we have this forum , start ur own political or hate bashing forum. obviously you dont have anything to contribute to the members that want to learn and live in the Philippines
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Goslig
8/24/2019 20:12 EST
redlandchuckII. Hmm Liberals in the Philippines are the political party of corruption that Duterte won a landslide victory against. That makes sense. Liberals in Canada are the next big looser party in Canada too. What brought America out of the Great Depression? The NEW DEAL. Democrats and socialism which jump started the economy. Socialism works well in Western European countries which have a far better standard of living than America. Even works good in Canada. Liberal translates to fair to all whereas the radical right is fair to the 1%. That only works in America. Certainly not in the Philippines.
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surfingcebu
8/24/2019 20:58 EST
Gos as you know - Europe is in negative growth area now and a fairly economy brought to you by Brussels . the biggest bank in Germany almost went under last month - huge trouble for Brussels , again.
The socialist experiment has failed in Europe sadly. No balance in robustly economic thought.
The average Italian or Greek doesn’t even pay tax to the country. France cooks the books to pay less to the EU . Trouble again. I won’t even mention Turkey.
Sweden and Denmark- to name a few are free market economies now , leaving their socialist roots behind a decade plus ago , out of necessity , or face bankruptcy.
Sure social service are far greater in Europe .... for now ... all on borrowed money. It’s coming to an and very soon . Implosion!!!!
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Tsmslf
8/24/2019 21:17 EST
More BS from Gasbag. What brought the US out of the great depression was not FDR and his New Deal. It was WW II which jump started the war machine making economy and the returning home vets kept it going afteer the War. I was there for both events and none of you were. So there.
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Goslig
8/24/2019 23:44 EST
surfingcebu The Netherlands is doing well under socialism. Highest standard of living and socialism abounds. In the Netherlands, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 29 333 a year, However the top 20% of the population earn more than four times as much as the bottom 20%.. That still beats the 1% over the 99% in the US.
In terms of health, life expectancy at birth in the Netherlands is 82 years, They have a 4 day work week with generous paid holidays.
Yet the Netherlands is one of the two top worst countries for housing inequality in Europe
In Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 35 725 a year, higher than the OECD average of USD 33 604 a year. There is a considerable gap between the richest and poorest – the top 20% of the population earn four times as much as the bottom 20%.. They have 5.1 million people and all that North Sea oil. They have free post secondary education with living and book allowances, much like the Philippines. In terms of health, life expectancy at birth in Norway is 83 years, There are 3,909 homeless people in 2016. In Australia there are 116,427 people homeless as of August 2016. It is estimated that more than 235,000 Canadians experience homelessness in a year, with more than 35,000 Canadians homeless on any given night. More than 553,700 people were homeless on a single night across the US. More than 40 million people were living in poverty, and 18.5 million were living in deep poverty, with reported family income below one-half of the poverty threshold. In 2015, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was an annual income of US$11,770 Richest country in the world? LOL! Maybe the radical right likes it that way. Moscow Mitch has the fix in with Putin to rig the second term of no empathy Trump champion of plausible deniability.
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Morgacj2004
8/24/2019 23:51 EST
SUG your stats mean nothing because you are comparing apples to oranges. Of course the USA has more homeless people then the Netherlands, Canada etc because they have a hell of a lot more people
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Goslig
8/24/2019 23:57 EST
Tsmslf your cup is half empty. The war The US entered the war in December 1941, a war which began in September 1939.. The Great Depression was from 1929 to 1939 and ended two and a half years before the US entered WW2. The New Deal was a series of programs, public work projects, financial reforms, and regulations enacted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States between 1933 and 1936. It responded to needs for relief, reform, and recovery from the Great Depression. Check your facts first, or are you suffering from Dunning Kruger Syndrome?
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Goslig
8/25/2019 00:38 EST
Morgacj2004 this is typical of you. I got my facts straight. Whereas, you speak with Trumpish forked tongue. The US homeless rate by population is .17 of the population. The Australian homeless rate is .038 of the population. Go figure, eh!
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Robertdav298
8/25/2019 00:38 EST
RED, I do live and work here in the RP and yes I do have things to contribute but why should I when we have so much knowledge contributed already. Just read the posts we have some brilliant people who know everything about every subject......I just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Robertdav298
8/25/2019 00:43 EST
yes american by birth only, tragic when there are so many that would love to be american by birth.
Constantly trashing the US and yet is collecting benefits......lets see there is a name for that....hmmmm!
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Robertdav298
8/25/2019 00:50 EST
MORGAC,,,,,,,ACE and MOOT were right, back and being the same SUG, monopolizing every post. The thing I wonder is how could a person with so much knowledge about everything be living in the RP.
Seems like they should be on the faculty of YALE or HARVARD or PRINCETON.
I just want to say......this is not a personal attack on anyone but a general observation.
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Goslig
8/25/2019 00:54 EST
Robertdav298 Cornel Radical Right! I think you mostly live in the US and are in the Philippines when you are deployed here. You have made valuable contributions in the past, but you’re too much off topic with your vendetta against me. You’re back in the US now, I am wasting my time responding to your provocations and lies. My participation is information about the Philippines. Stick you vendetta in that place where the sun doesn’t shine. My last reply. Suck it up. I delete radical right wing fools.
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Robertdav298
8/25/2019 01:02 EST
As usual the poster is getting his facts from online data which we all know can be skewed by the people inputing the data.......just like the present polls in the US.
However, regarding this post about NORWAY, SWEDEN and NETHERLANDS.
I was in each of these three countries within the last four months and I can tell you first hand the people that I spoke to are hurting, they complained about wages, cost of living and health care. But the biggest complaint was about immigration....sound familiar. These people are unhappy because the immgrants get free bebfits from the government whereas the working person has to pay for the exact benefits.
So my takeaway from this is to be weary of the information that comes from the internet and the underlying message of the poster.
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Robertdav298
8/25/2019 01:25 EST
Love Philly......you spoke about racism, as of now thats all the left has to hold onto, have you noticed everything is about race....sad.
Now the latest news from the left is "recession" why because they want TRUMP and his economy to fail, they even cite all the signs that signal recession. Hell we even had one talk show host publically say that he hoped we had a recession because its the only way we could beat trump. My gosh.....what an idiot.
I have a friend in the US Special forces that has told me that they are expecting a revolution because the left has gone so far left......example look what happened in NY to the police while DIBLASIO did nothing.
This sort of thing sends a message that law enforcement is not respected while being assaulted by the same people they are trying to protect.
Trump is being critized by the left for his HARDLINE on CHINA and his tariff plan.
CHINA is an economic bully, devaluing their currency and have been for years that has gotten the US and countries in an ecnomic trade deficit. Finally the US has said we are not taking this any longer and want a level playing field.
Critics are quick to say how this hardline will hurt the US and its these same critics that filled their pockets with cash by investing in Chinese companies that can longer compete with the US.
I hope that TRUMP does not give in and brings China to their knees and the trade deficit swings in our direction.
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LovePhilly
8/25/2019 08:22 EST
I also hope Trump doesn't give in to China, he's doing the right thing.
Regarding socialism, it's been tried throughout history and failed. Proponents will say it just wasn't done correctly. Fact is, it just doesn't work.
European nations have bragged for years of their "free" healthcare. The only reason they have been able to provide this so far is because they don't have to spend much on defense and that includes Canada (no offense).
America protects them and spends trillions of dollars to do it. We spend more on defense than the next ten nations combined.
Socialism works fine in a make believe world. Its sounds fair and wonderful but it ignores the human condition. Humans perform and produce when they are awarded for doing so.
All the "things" we see around us don't just exist and just meant to be equally shared. "Things" are made by hard working people who want a better life for themselves.
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Tsmslf
8/25/2019 11:59 EST
Gasbag, in 1939, when I was 9 years old, the unemployment rate in the USA was 20% and FDR had been president for 6 years.
He had raised taxes to 90% on some individuals, raised business taxes and started various government work projects like the WPA. I remember the WPA projects with guys in ditches, sitting around smoking and talking while being paid by those citizens who were actually working. Congress dismantled virtually all of FDR's programs save social(ist) security and cut taxes thus freeing the economy to take off. You are correct that FDR was a socialist. Like many of those types, he never had a real job in his life. He was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth and the Marx manifesto in his anal crevice.
I do believe that there is significant argument among knowledgeable people about what ended the depression. Academics still write about it and there is much disagreement. My opinion is as stated; yours differs. That's not a problem. We just make our arguments, not mere assertions, and see which is more persuasive.
FYI and some fun, Hoover was president when I was born in October of 1930. Yes, 89 this October, still lawyering all day every day and grateful to God I can still do that as I do everything I always did, just slower. That excludes my jockstrapping stuff however. No more running or tennis - swimming is all I can manage these days. But I can think, write and make decent court presentations.
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mattinnorfolk
8/25/2019 12:03 EST
It is so nice to see someone say the truth about FDR, instead of the fiction that seems to surround his presidency..
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darkfader24
8/25/2019 13:13 EST
Catalysis - Rush did not say that he hoped Obama would fail - he hoped Obama would fail in the implementation of his Liberal Agenda. An agenda in which he wanted to "transform America" - as explained in his books. Obama was highly influenced by the radical Saul Alinski - and he wanted to turn this country upside down culturally. This country which billions want to get into, that helped free Europe TWICE in the the 20th Century, that has provided freedom and a better life for hundreds of millions - including Obama - a country so "RACIST" that it even elected Obama TWICE - that's how "RACIST" we are - and merely goes to prove what a bunch of BS the Left spews. Are we perfect? First answer which country is perfect. We are far from perfect but we work really hard at trying to right the wrongs.
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darkfader24
8/25/2019 13:17 EST
Tsmslf - You are amazing. I almost want to cry. How can you do all of this at your time of life? Why don't you relax and enjoy some down time? Is keeping so busy what keeps you alive? God Bless you. Really - I hope that HE does.
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Goslig
8/25/2019 21:02 EST
Tsmslf most presidents had a golden spoon. I went to Herbert Hoover’s cabin in West Branch, Iowa. There’s also a socialist Quaker residential school & farm there completely by the students. The teachers just teach. Hoovers’s log cabin had one 12 x 10 multi purpose room and a 8 x 6 bedroom where the bed had a drawer to pull out for his kids. There was a shed where a hired hand slept. It gets very cold there in the winter -20 c. He created the League of Nations. Well it’s been nice chatting to you, but you are rude and address me with an insulting name. The Canadian culture taught me to be polite. Take care. Bye!
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Goslig
8/25/2019 21:28 EST
Tsmslf. The highest rate of U.S. unemployment was 24.9% in 1933, during the Great Depression. Unemployment was more than 14% from 1931 to 1940. Unemployment remained in the single digits until 1982 when it reached 10.8%.
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Tsmslf
8/25/2019 21:35 EST
Thanks - and I'm a Democrat, Blue Dog to be sure but never a Republican. Just had more D friends and the chicks were better too.
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Goslig
8/25/2019 21:38 EST
Unemployment facts;
1939 17.2% Drought ended
1940 14.6% U.S. draft
1941 9.9%
The US entered the War in 1941. The Great Depression was over by then as I stated.
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Goslig
8/25/2019 21:39 EST
Unemployment facts;
1939 17.2% Drought ended
1940 14.6% U.S. draft
1941 9.9%
The US entered the War in 1941. The Great Depression was over by then as I stated.
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Tsmslf
8/25/2019 21:43 EST
The Lord has blessed me indeed and I am the first to acknowledge it. Plus my oldest is 62 and my youngest is 14 just started high school. And there are three more in between.
No physical vices - like my nightly Campari but never was a big drinker. Loved beer when young, then wine and martinis. Now, Campari and mandarin flavored water. Never drugs at all, stopped smoking 50 years ago. Love ladies though I now lead a chaste life - a recent change based on my faith.
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redlandchuck
8/27/2019 01:21 EST
ha ha well said those are the same people we see here the most. We are so fortunate to have people on this forum that know everything about everything
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surfingcebu
8/27/2019 11:40 EST
redland - I think your mixing up 'knowing ' and opinions maybe ? I give my opinions freely to try and help people with what I see here . I certainly dont 'lurk' in the shadows . As for knowing everything - thats not me . I learn everyday ...and make it a point to do same !
I dont know who you were referring to ...but I think we all try and help here in our own strange way . As you can witness there are some people who like to throw stones from the shadows ...but thats normal , with "keyboard warriors , right?"
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Goslig
8/27/2019 20:47 EST
surfingcebu There are just a few troublemakers on this forum who post cheap shots and snide remarks or ‘ata boy’ approvals when another of their type do. I appreciate any corrections to a factual mistake I make, and accept opposing opinions with no compulsion to post insults back. Those who bait personal attacks turn forum members off intentionally, and squelch others from participating. What ever happened to marshmallow and floppie, both Filipino’s, or Sereni the Welshman? They quit due to constant harassment by a few from ‘you know where’, the place where that’s the current ‘de rigour’ for some. Others from that domain are interesting and fun; even when they don’t agree with you, they are polite. I don’t always agree with you or you with me, but that never involves cheap shots since we respect each other’s differences. Just use your delete option like I do, and don’t feed them any response. The difference between Stupidity and Genius is that Genius knows its limits (Albert Einstein).
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mootpoint20
8/27/2019 22:06 EST
Morjac, Robert,DAV, and most others voice my opinion. As to the inherent lunacy of SUG, who's writing under another delusional name, I find no consistency, objectivity, or rationality. He's quite amusing to read, but not intentionally so. "I'll cite you more statistics...FDR saved us from the Great Depression..." and "...you're all picking on me and everybody knows it!" It does sound infantile to me. But, it is cheap entertainment.
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surfingcebu
8/27/2019 22:15 EST
Goslig - I agree, the spice of a forum such as this is opposing observations and similarities.
Your not a bad person if i down agree with you . I think thats the way it was in grade two :)
I respect peoples differences . Like that guy who thinks all Filipinas are bad news .... just plain wrong in my books , but he has walked a different trail than me in the journey of life , obviously .
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Goslig
8/28/2019 00:08 EST
mootpoint20 More horse feathers from you. Read my data. What ended the Great Depression was the end of the drought and the draft all before 1941 when the US declared war. Argue with Wikipedia if you believe you know more. The New Deal helped then just like the billion dollar giveaway to the corporations in the last one only to benefit the elite. Called quantitative easing now. Now GM is located in. China. They get the benefits. Your just a wiener. Get lost!
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LovePhilly
8/28/2019 12:25 EST
American Liberals:
Don't think its appropriate to spank a child but have no problem killing one as long as it isn't born yet.
Want to take your guns while they make a movie about hunting you.
Fine citizens who don't buy health insurance but would give it to illegals for free.
Insist they can manage your money better than you can yet their city streets are full of urine, feces and needles.
They believe in women's right but cannot define what a "woman" is.
They want to cancel all student loan debt because it's not fair that someone should have to repay a loan.
Students who don't score well on the SAT should get extra points if they come from a poor community.
I could go on...
These people have lost it.
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gelynch52ph
8/28/2019 12:32 EST
The comment by LovePhilly is too retarded to actually reply to. Right wing nut jobs need to be quiet or learn what they are talking about before embarrassing themselves the way this guy just did.
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surfingcebu
8/28/2019 12:36 EST
Live philly- it worked for Elizabeth Warren , with a fake beer drinker., And native Indian. She pushed her way through the undergraduate level, and law school level, and took loans at no charge, and many other things because all of the application she put down she was from a poor community, and she was a disadvantaged sub class of humans in the world. And now, people are courting her To become president of the United States of America. This is all mystifying to me. How can one person who commits fraud time and time again, even be considered to be president? Mystifying.
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Morgacj2004
8/28/2019 12:47 EST
Really gelynch52ph? What do u have to offer before slamming others opinions? Love Philly is right on in his assessment. Couldn't be more accurate. Stop drinking the liberal media koolaid and come back to reality.
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gelynch52ph
8/28/2019 13:02 EST
Right wing koolaid is a poisonous cocktail and probably orange in color, just like the Mango Mussolini destroying America and the rest of the world.
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gelynch52ph
8/28/2019 13:07 EST
"This is all mystifying to me. How can one person who commits fraud time and time again, even be considered to be president? Mystifying."
Yes, it is indeed "Mystifying" how you elected that orange creep and still support it knowing the fraud, theft and illegal dealings he has committed against America time and again.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/deutsche-bank-has-trumps-taxes-and-loan-application-cosigned-by-russian-oligarch-report/
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mootpoint20
8/28/2019 17:11 EST
Whoa! I draw the line with that label, "Mango-Musselini" That's a rascist, homophobic, anti-Italian, anti=illegal immigration, attack...and I take it all personally. You don't make any sense, dumbbell. I'm not answering any more questions! Most of you should all go back to where you came from! Stop picking on me!
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darkfader24
8/28/2019 17:35 EST
LovePhilly: Totally agree. A couple of additional comments. "Don't think its appropriate to spank a child but have no problem killing one as long as it isn't born yet."
Actually, states like New York are completely fine with killing Babies / Humans once born alive - IF the original intent was abortion. Amazing. Infanticide!! Murder!! I don't care what others call it. It is death to a living, breathing Human Being. The slippery slope that we all knew we were going to. What's next? Euthanasia. Old Folks. Those born with disabilities. "Wild In The Streets". "Soylent Green". And after that - Political and Religious "Undesirables". If they can justify killing innocent, harmless, and defenseless Babies, it will be no great stretch to destroy others. These people MUST be engaged and stopped with their murderous, controlling intentions. Hilarious WHO they call Nazis.
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LovePhilly
8/28/2019 17:47 EST
gelynch,
You behave like many liberals when faced with something you don't like. Name calling. It's child like.
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mattinnorfolk
8/28/2019 17:52 EST
I totally get it why non-US citizens would despise Trump. He doesn’t put the world ahead of United States.. How dare he put Americans first.
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LovePhilly
8/28/2019 18:00 EST
Matt, why should anyone put their citizens first? Aren't we all one happy world family? lol!!!
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mattinnorfolk
8/28/2019 19:13 EST
You’re priceless Gos. Great information you posted on the divorce question, I do not need it but it certainly was great information.
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Goslig
8/28/2019 19:18 EST
51-53 % of Americans put their country first and disapprove of Trump particularly in key swing states that he got last time around and needs next time. Trump has never exceeded 49% approval in polling. So you represent a minority opinion.
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darkfader24
8/28/2019 19:26 EST
Dear Mr. Lynch - I'd love to hear an actual counter statement with some facts and real ideas. All are welcome to discuss. Saying "You are a Retard", or "The comment by LovePhilly is too retarded to actually reply to." etc (Which, as a Liberal, you must know is a Politically Incorrect thing to say) is NOT an argument - or the perveyance of a cogent and intellectual thought. It's just name calling and doesn't require anymore depth of thought than what 13 year old girls in Jr. High use when they called each other such names.
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Goslig
8/28/2019 19:56 EST
darkfader24 I agree with your comment 110%.. Personal attacks are against the Members Agreement and do not employ any factual basis or intelligent counterpoint. It reflects badly on the Blue base just do a meltdown. However not all the Reds are as considerate as you.
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Robertdav298
8/28/2019 19:56 EST
Morgac......spot on!
All you have to do is watch CNN, MSNBC, THE VIEW or ABC and you can see where this guy is coming from........somebody should remind him that the "orange koolaid guy" won in 2016 and will most likely win in 2020.
Also uncle JOE and his CHINESE son have committed fraud many times over. But this guy doesn't mention that.
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Robertdav298
8/28/2019 20:16 EST
OK.....this is pure BS......just read this guys last post....to MOOT moreover look at his attitude. He claims that he has been personally attacked on this forum both as SUG and his new name BUT if you go back several months just as peacekeeper has done you can easily decipher that this guy indeed has a mental condition.
Those who wish to feed this insanity, good luck. I for one will not take part in any of these discussions......as the advice he gave SURF.......just hit delete.
I think ACE was spot on many months ago.
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Goslig
8/28/2019 20:18 EST
Let’s hope that all US municipalities get their systems backed up properly for their voter registration databases. Several municipalities have their systems already taken down by Ransomwear, hacker software that’s available off the shelf. It’s not just Russians, anyone can easily make a Ransomwear attack and take entire systems down without any way to reboot. The problem with voting in the coming election is whether the federal government will fund the necessary backup systems for municipalities that are cash strapped and can’t afford it? If not this coming election will be a disaster. Will Moscow Mitch allow the funds to secure the backup systems these municipalities need? Ransomwear will otherwise kill democracy in America, because it’s cheap, it’s already happening, and more is coming.
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Goslig
8/28/2019 20:40 EST
Many already know what Ransomwear is. The hacker penetrates a database and encrypts all the data, then may or may not release it. Usually they want large sums of Bitcoin currency that can’t be tracked, but that is not a given, they may never release the data. Firewalls and other security software are vulnerable. You absolutely need secure off-line backup systems. Talk about Deep State? America is already hacked. Open borders, or Ransomwear, which is worse? Stay distracted, go figure! Geesh! Ransomwear attack & no backup? Then you’re Doomed, eh!
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phonedoctor1
8/28/2019 21:15 EST
and yet he has the lowest unemployment ever for blacks and other people of color, lowest for whites in 30-40 yrs, small business is booming yet people want to call him a loser and say he is doing nothing ... what about a;l the trade deals he has done that benefits us that before did not ? so to HELL with your anti trump bullcrap ! It goes nowhere!
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surfingcebu
8/28/2019 21:24 EST
Goslig - I think a huge threat is from China . China CAN NOT have Trump in next time . They are 100% focussed on dethroning him - whatever it takes im told from my Mainland Chinese friends . .... it obvious why ( but some USA citizens OR world citizens cant figure out why ) , with the Dem's in power they have a free ride to continue to rape and pillage the world markets, technology and countries . Trump is the only world leader who has question their theft and market manipulation and has done anything about it in over 30-35 years ! They want him out !
Should we leave it up to the UN to sort China out ? HA !!! That will be the day ....
If China and Hollywood want Trump out - real bad !!! ....I want him in ! :)
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Goslig
8/28/2019 21:53 EST
surfingcebu The Dem.’s are honest and won’t cheat on this coming election. If a sane Republican is nominated to lead the GOP, then let the games begin. Trump will do ANYTHING to get re-elected. He’s desperate. Square off against China in a way that doesn’t kill farmers markets which may never recover because China’s market has gone to Canada and elsewhere. Farmers with equity and equipment didn’t make enough money last year to put in their seed crop in this year. They can’t sell their equipment, No one would buy their farms. The smart ones sold everything two-three years ago. They’re underwater in debt. Their market tanked because of China’s counter tariff’s. A surgical trade tool should have been used instead of a sledge hammer for grand standing. But with Donald Flintstone, that’s what you get. China has been hacking the US for decades. Where did they get the designs for their new Mig fighter jets? Defence Department. Look at Alibiba products where there are exact copies of US patents, yet a little improved and cheaper, like my CusineArt coffee grinder. Where are markets going (?) to China where GM now produces almost everything. Want a Cadillac, made in China is all you will get. Donald Flintstone is a Psychopath/Sociopath Narcissist according to the second book about him by 35 US psychiatrists and psychologists. Just ask the head of the Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. The GOP needs renewal. Otherwise they need Ransomware.
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Robertdav298
8/28/2019 23:07 EST
MATT.......fire needs oxygen to burn without it, it simply dies and goes out.
Personally I have learned to extinguish the fire before it goes rampant.
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surfingcebu
8/29/2019 00:02 EST
Goslig - good points....however I bet you China will be funding the Dems in 2020 . China will do ANYTHING to not have to deal with Trump.. there may be a reason for this (?) .
China is a state run by thugs and killers . HK people know , hence the riots there .....anything but the Mainland for HK'ers
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Morgacj2004
8/29/2019 01:12 EST
Goslig your constant mentioning of the members agreement is much like the pot calling the kettle black! Hilarious in my book !
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tlallen59
8/29/2019 05:44 EST
All I have to say is thank God that criminal hag was sent back to NY with her tail between her legs. The selective outrage of the left is blinding. They hate Trump because he's not like the republicans of the past that have tried to appease the left only to have them break it off in them anyway. There not used to resistance and don't like it. You people have tried everything to get rid of him and nothing has worked so now its racist, racist, racist because that's all that's left. Go ahead and nominate old Joe, Trump will mop the floor with that guy. Better make lots of pop corn this will be to good.
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Robertdav298
8/29/2019 07:54 EST
Wrong DT is not desperate, you sound like Deniro and we all know he is the raging BS,
If the 2020 election were held today Trump would win by a landslide against CHINA JOE.
Lets see Joe's platform would be what he and the Muslim President accomplished in EIGHT YEARS......WOW, we all know what that was. I could do like you liberals do and google it and post it on the forum.
Personally most conservatives are tired of the same old rhetoric with hunt after witch, first it was Russia, then it Mueller, immigration, the tax cuts and the list goes on. Now it's recession because of his fight against the the mighty manipulator China.
Honestly, most of the left is still in mourning from 2016 they just cannot believe it and then there are those that will not even call him the President......how sick is that.
Show me another president in modern times that has accomplished what his administration has in less than four years, hell it took Obama 8 years to sell us out to IRAN, CHINA and CUBA......just to name a few.
You liberals are complaining just imagine our country with the likes of AOC, PRESSLEY, TALIB and OMAR running the show....!
You guys better hope Trump gets elected because your Social Security is going to go bye bye under the likes of Bernie or Warren.
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tlallen59
8/29/2019 15:13 EST
Goslig, That Deutsche bank crap you posted is a out right lie which is not surprising. Lawrence O'Donnell was made to apologize and MSMBC is being sued by the Trump family as of this writing. Just because the media says something doesn't mean its true as much as you want it to be.
P.S. Thank you Robert and others you guys are much better with the words than I am.
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mootpoint20
8/29/2019 20:10 EST
Oscar's accurate Picture of Dorian Gray remains the picture of intellectual aptitude and arrogance that reveals even its 'good' deeds are relished with the sin of Pride.
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Robertdav298
8/29/2019 20:17 EST
TALLEN, thankyou for the kind words.
I don't know about you but I actually admire DT, if you think about it, here is a wealthy Billionaire in his early 70's married to an ex-model and is set financially for life. Why is GODS name would he even entertain the thought of running for president "he says because he wanted to MAGA".
Look at all the BS he had to endure, all the hatred against him, his family, his cabinet etc....! If it were me I would have told these people go f......yourself and I would have quit i.e who needs the agro......especially when you are 70.
But that is how the left operates and always have just look at some of the posts on this forum you can feel the malice and of course backed up by GOOGLE DATA which by the way supports the left......so do not believe anything that one of these lunies post straight from the internet because it is tainted.
Lastly, did you ever see OBAMA publically give praise to GOD in any of his speeches? Did he ever say "in GOD WE TRUST"? Of course not because he is MUSLIM and has ties both with that race.
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surfingcebu
8/29/2019 23:53 EST
tlallen- who cares about the Deutsche bank, they almost went under last month . They are operating on fumes , much like all of the Socialist EU platform . Many Banks in Europe are on the verge . Same old culprits , Greece, Turkey, and Italy . HUGE back debt taken on by EU . Silly socialists !
The Liberals/Dems are digging up non-issues with the USA President. I wonder ...do the Dems want to hold power with "free everything ?" - even the greedy know better .
Everybody is a "racist" these days - if you disagree with the Socialist narrative . Diversity Dilution .
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LovePhilly
8/30/2019 06:49 EST
Surf you are 100% correct. The far left liberals would have little to say if we could remove the following words from our vocabulary:
Black
White
People of color
White supremist
Nazi
Orange
xenophobe
Homophobe
Undocumented (instead of illegal)
Inhumane
Women
LGBTQRSTUV
Feel free to add to the list as I have missed a few. At any rate, this language is intended to divide us and we are bombarded constantly with it from the left. I challenge you to find any media story that doesn't include one or more of these words. As an example, they can't report that an officer shot a suspect. They must report the skin color of those involved to create division.
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surfingcebu
8/30/2019 11:33 EST
Love - remember this , its always THEIR Diversity , Their political correctness , Their words you MUST speak . Their Truth ...not "the truth " based on "the Facts "
Its the way the Left works . Most people see though it .
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mootpoint20
8/30/2019 21:00 EST
The strange reporting of color if one is a victim is rampant. They're not minorities reporting it but the white liberal Media machine provoking everyone towards anger, hate, and violence. They need 'useful idiots' to do what they're too cowardly to do. They want the poor, and all minorities on welfare worshiping the Democrat Party for handouts. It's obvious. Those days are dead.
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LovePhilly
9/13/2019 09:03 EST
I watched part of the Democratic debate on TV last night. Now seriously, all left and right/ party stuff aside.... I was embarrassed for Joe Biden. I felt bad for him as he embarrassed himself in front of thousands.
He said (paraphrasing), the answer to equality in America was to put social workers in the homes because parents don't know what to do. He said poor people hear some 4,000 less words a day than others so there needs to be a radio on during the day and a record player playing at night for the kids.
I'm not kidding. He said this. Dear lord whatever anyone's political opinion is, this poor man just can't be our President.
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mattinnorfolk
9/13/2019 09:23 EST
I agree, and think he has lost it a bit , and if elected he will be 17 months older by the time he is sworn in, I think the Democrats will nominate somebody else.
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darkfader24
9/13/2019 16:00 EST
Philly - Record players? How about upgrading to a Victrola? Sleepy Creepy Crazy Uncle Joe needs a Mannequin to put his hands all over so he won't get sued. Remember during China's / Mao's Red Revolution? Audio playing through speakers round the clock with endless propaganda. "1984" by George Orwell. Round the clock indoctrination through Broadcast. Also, the TV could observe your every move in "1984". Think about Computer Monitors with Cameras built in. Think "Alexis" - the speaker that can listen to you. How do we know who controls / or could control all of these things in the future???
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LarryKar
9/13/2019 19:11 EST
I agree that it's time for Uncle Joe to go. No argument. If he can't really defend himself well against Castro how will he possibly compete with " here hold my beer and listen to this whopper" Trump? Speaking of Trump and holding him to the same senility scale, " water was cleaner 25 years ago because there were no people here." slight paraphrase but it is on video.
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Robertdav298
9/13/2019 20:29 EST
PHILLY.....any guess who...... will be nominated? BERNIE, KAMALA.......OR WARREN?
DEMS are in trouble don't you think?
Can you imagine any of the above debating DT
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Robertdav298
9/13/2019 20:31 EST
GOS, I just saw on AL Jazeera where GOOGLE paid a 564 million fine in France for violations.
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LarryKar
9/13/2019 21:54 EST
Robert if you are trying to build up the claim the Google leans left... FAIL. This was a tax case about how tech companies are taxed. https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/12/google-to-pay-549-million-fine-and-510-million-in-back-taxes-in-france/
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Robertdav298
9/13/2019 22:08 EST
Larry, I am not trying to build a case that GOOGLE leans left, I don't have to, they have already been grilled by congress.
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mootpoint20
9/13/2019 22:32 EST
Larry...………….Google is the most massive company in the world, and has been exposed of manipulating at least 1.200,000 registered voters aiding the Democrat Party against Trump in last election. This has been testified to in Congress this week. You happen to be blind on this. ($$$ advertising profits)
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Goslig
9/13/2019 22:52 EST
Robertdav298 Google is a good example of how eventually algorithms will rule the Earth. There will be no privacy. Everything and everyone will be part of a database. Deep State.
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Goslig
9/13/2019 22:57 EST
Robertdav298
Sorry to butt in but Philly will just echo you thoughts. I vote for Kamala. There are others too.
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darkfader24
9/13/2019 23:50 EST
Larry - Where is that video with Trump talking about clean water? Youtube? I'd like to watch it. Thanks.
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darkfader24
9/13/2019 23:59 EST
Goslig - I heard part of a very long interview with one of the designers (voice disguised) of the algorithm that you are referring to. He spoke in great detail how with every bit of information they received they could update the algorithm to be more accurate and selective. It was absolutely fascinating and horrifying what he was describing. After awhile that Algo (Al Gore? Internet? - Joking) became intelligent enough to start building it's own data base extremely quickly - far faster than the designers could update it. It is ripping fast and gaining knowledge at an exponential rate - increasing every day. It is learning just how to target everyone on Google. Astounding. True Artificial Intelligence.
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Robertdav298
9/14/2019 00:55 EST
GOS/DARK, a little bit of humor but these comments harken to a great script for a new "Mission Impossible Movie".......how the MIF could penetrate the GOOGLE regime that has the key to worldwide algorithm's and is controlling governments. FIND AND DESTROY
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 02:46 EST
Robert - I vote for The Man From UNCLE - We need Napoleon Solo and Illya Kuryakin on the case. I know that THRUSH is listening even now!!
I just remembered - I think it was around Christmas 1994 - I was passing thru Dulles Airport and literally walked into Robert Vaughan, the airport was so crowded. I just politely said "Excuse me." He didn't say a word but looked very annoyed! Still, it was a cool moment for me, since as a 10 to 13 year old I was TOTALLY into that show! It was my favorite at the time, even more than The Monkeys. Hahaha!! I think it aired on Friday nights - and I couldn't wait to get home to see it.
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 02:50 EST
Robert - By the way - THRUSH stands for "Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity" !! Wow! Sound familiar?? Undesirables? Removal - as in, throw them in the trash can?? Technological? As in Google's Al Gore Rithm?? Subjugation of Humanity?? We all know what Socialism brings. Very Interesting, indeed......
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Robertdav298
9/14/2019 08:28 EST
DARK...oh yes...I remember that show, it was in black and white, I think. You know they just did a remake of the man from UNCLE.
So you watched the monkeys, I watched the DICK CLARK SHOW and SOUL TRAIN........but my favorites were the westerns as in "wyatt earp and cheyenne.
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 08:44 EST
Robert - As a 9 to 13 year old I was the Lead Soprano in a Boys School Choir that went back to 1850 something. It was attached to St. Peter's Church - an Episcopal Church in the old part of Philadelphia, built in 1767. It was where George Washington and other Founding Fathers went to church. Prez Washington's "Pew" was #41 - a box that you would step up into and sit in. It had a door that closed you off - but the Rector was at one end of the church and you could see him up high over the top of the box. The bells that we would ring waaaay up in the Belfry were sister bells to the Liberty Bell. Cast in the same foundry in England and came over on the same ship. The church was only 2 blocks from Betsy Ross' house and a few blocks from Independence Hall. OK - Where am I going with this? Well, at Christmas every year we would sing Christmas Carols at the ABC Station - on the exact same stage where Dick Clark did his show. On breaks between taping our program we would run up and down on that little thing that he had that had steps going up both sides. It was cool, cuz of course, our Moms would always be watching that show - so we knew all about that little Podium. More trivia you didn't need to know - hahaha!! :-)
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LovePhilly
9/14/2019 10:26 EST
Robert my best guess is.... Warren will win and possibly make Bernie her VP running mate. I don't think Harris is charismatic enough to pull it off and I don't think moderate democrats will buy off on her reparations plan for black America. I think she wants to give all blacks a free down payment for a house or something. I don't thing moderates want to spend billions of dollars on something like this which is B.S. anyway. And who qualifies? I mean, what if you are 50% black. Do you qualify? What if you are 25% black? What if you can prove there is one black person in your lineage? How is this proven anyway? Submit genealogy research? Take a DNA test? The point is, we are all just Americans now, the slave think is long over.
Finally, Harris is sharper and smarter than Biden but she still isn't very sharp or very smart.
I think Warren is appealing because she looks like grandma and she sounds so sincere. Honestly, Dems just don't have a better choice here so she will win.
Then the Donald will slaughter her.
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Goslig
9/14/2019 11:52 EST
LovePhilly The way they did it in Canada for the settlement to the indigenous children forced from their families and communities to attend one of the 131 Residential Schools between 1831 and 1996 abducting 150,000 Metis, Inuit, and Indigenous First Nations children over 150 years, killing about 6,000 children; was to offer an apology; and (as of March 2016) a total of $1,622,422,106 had been paid to 79,309 former students. A similar settlement was made in New Zealand. This is the price of burying the heinous historical hatchet. You don’t hear that @
‘white privilege’ remark in Canada.
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 13:05 EST
LovePhilly - Re: a Warren/Sanders ticket. You've got some good points, but I don't think the Bern will accept being VP. Too much ego. You could be correct, though.
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 13:21 EST
Goslig - These unfortunately true stories on how the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas have been treated thru the centuries is stomach turning. My tribe, generally speaking, lucked out. The Tarahumara People are tucked away in Northern Chihuahua, Mexico - up in the hills. They were such a non-threat, lived on land no one really wanted, and were so dirt poor, well, you get the picture. They are direct cousins to the Pima Indians of Southern Arizona and the Apaches of Central AZ. In fact, the famous Apache Leader, Cochise, is said to have sometimes hidden down with the Tarahumaras when being chased by the U.S. Cavalry. It was a short hop over into Mexico - and no Border security - hahaha!
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Robertdav298
9/14/2019 19:10 EST
Philly, good analogy, there are so many possible scenarios. I think Biden is the man to beat because the American people identify him, both good and bad.
Funny thing, when I was growing up, the DEMS RULED, with EISENHOWER, KENNEDY, JOHNSON and more recently CARTER and CLINTON.
But the dems ran out of gas as the last guy drained the tank with so many promises and nothing to show for it.
I served under Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Reagan and the BUSHES. For the military we had our best years with a Republican President.
Worst by far was the peanut farmer, great guy but a bad president.
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Tsmslf
9/14/2019 21:32 EST
Eisenhower was a Republican - he beat Adlai Steveson, the democrat.
Ike was the 1st presidential vote I cast in 1952.
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darkfader24
9/14/2019 22:08 EST
Robert - I have a very close friend - Tim, an African-American. 100% Democrat thru and thru. Loved Mr. Obama - for obvious reasons. However, Tim was an Army man, a very Patriotic soul - did the whole Grenada Invasion thing under Reagan and the first Desert Storm thing under Herbert W. Bush. Tim adores Ronald Reagan - really. Speaks so highly of him, cuz he feels that Reagan had his best interest and also the Country's best interest at heart, especially when it came to the Military. He saw a Marked Difference switching from Mr. Carter to Ronaldus Magnus.
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Goslig
9/14/2019 23:10 EST
Ronald Regan was the best live crowd speaker of any President in my lifetime. Too bad in the end he forgot he was president.
alzheimer's disease Is a bit#h!
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Robertdav298
9/15/2019 03:09 EST
TM......Eisenhower was a back stabbing SOB, I did a research paper on him when I was in college. My research showed that Berlin was divided because of his EGO and that Russia is the power it is today because of the political decisions he made. Had he listened to Patton things could have turned out different but Eisenhower was a politician and had aspirations of running for president after the war. Eisenhower feared Patton because he was getting all the headlines during the war.
Mysteriously Patton was killed by a hit and run driver who they never found. Here is a decorated FOUR STAR WAR HERO that gets hit by a car after being in countless number of battles. Sure his death was investigated but they never found the driver.......makes you wonder....hmmm.
Reagan was good for the military, during his time as President. Our military was very strong and eager to serve. A sharp contrast of what our military was like under OBAMA who dismantled a strong military.
To bad Obama did not follow the "peace thru strength" motto.
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darkfader24
9/15/2019 03:53 EST
Robert - Interesting that you brought up the Hit and Run incident with General Patton. I had forgotten about it. My Black friend, Tim, who I mentioned earlier, used to talk a lot about this - and had done quite a bit of research on it. I never knew anything about it until he brought it up. Army guys stick together, I guess.
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LarryKar
9/15/2019 04:11 EST
Robert you need to update your paper. It is documented that Patton died from injuries going on a hunting trip with his Chief of Staff. The Staff Car was was in a collision with a US Army truck. In spite of the conspiracy theories that is what unfortunately happened. Citation : Farago, Ladislas (1981), The Last Days of Patton, Yardley, Pennsylvania: Westholme Publishing LLC, ISBN 978-1-59416-531-3 and others.
His major blow ups with Eisenhower came from two events. Patton's refusal to remove known members of the Nazi Party from government positions basically (paraphrasing) because" they are good guys". The other was bad publicity from Patton actually slapping a soldier in a hospital because he had no visible wounds. Later testified by Doctors that he had dysentery. Then a second case were the soldier had battle fatigue mental problems but again no visible injury. Patton basically beat him severally and threw him out of the hospital. Eisenhower tried to put a lid on it but the Press found out. And so it goes. Also he was little threat to Eisenhower's political aspirations anyway as he was born in Germany.
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Robertdav298
9/15/2019 06:16 EST
Larry, my research was EISENHOWER, not Patton if you read my post you would have seen that, however; you are correct Patton's Cadillac was broadsided by an Army truck and oh by the way they never found the driver.....hmmm!
Recent investigations now show that Patton survived the crash and was recovering, some theorists say that he was a Russian target.......others say he died from a heart attack, others say he was shot by a small caliber pistol.
Yes it is true he had a quick temper and had several incidents with IKE. His best friend was Omar B but he got promoted to 5 star some say they had a falling out maybe GP resented Bradleys promotion, we will never know.
Like I said, I just find it interesting that his death did not get more attention than it did.
I do know that Patton was all set to continue fighting all the way from Berlin to Moscow but IKE decided against it thus leading to East and West Germany and the Soviet Union.
At that time Russia had just fought a brutal battle with Germany during a horrible winter, they were without food, gas for their tanks and most of all their Army was beaten.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Ike would have listened to GP that the world would have definitely changed.
My opinion.......don't shoot
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LarryKar
9/15/2019 07:08 EST
Robert: I did read your post. Yes your report was about Eisenhower but you made several statements about GP. I merely hold that the simplest most logical story is almost always the right one. I do like the details however. GP's driver was new. His regular driver had earned his points and as the war was dwindling down he was rotated home. The new guy was named in the reports at the time as well as the driver of the truck. It was ruled an accident. No mystery nor sinister behavior.
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LarryKar
9/15/2019 19:30 EST
Robert: Yes. Patton had stated if possible he wished to be buried with his men. Some members of the 3rd Army were buried at Luxembourg Cemetery. He was buried amongst them in a grave reported to have been dug by German prisoners of war.
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darkfader24
9/15/2019 20:08 EST
It was reported that Patton wanted to be buried with his men - in order to make sure that none of them started whining about being dead. At which point the slapping would start again. Just kidding, guys, just kidding. I admire the Tough Old Bird as much as anybody. I really wish that he would have gone in and kicked Old Uncle Joe's a$! and MacArthur had taken out the bloody Regime of N. Korea. Would have saved so many lives and such incredible suffering over the last 84 years!
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Robertdav298
9/15/2019 21:40 EST
DARK, I could not agree more, it is amazing how these politcal decisions made 8 decades ago affected generatons to follow.
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LovePhilly
9/17/2019 00:28 EST
OK. I'm about to vent so you may want to skip this if you don't want read about American politics (even though this thread is for politics).
I am sick a damn tired of being vilified because my skin is white and I have a penis. (funny how I can type penis and damn but not "vlagra".
I am sick and tired of redistribution of wealth in America. People often thank me for my military service and I'm grateful for that but hey, that's what poor kids do to get through college. It was selfish. It was good to me. I worked my ass off all my life because I wanted something better. I believed I could be anything if I worked hard enough.
The whole time I worked, both as a soldier and as a cop, the government took nearly half of everything and gave it to someone else who wasn't working. To be fair, they provided roads for me to drive on, schools for my kids and a national defense.
But half? After working (literally) 80 hours a week as a cop to save money, my wife of 12 years left me for another guy. Her reward? Half of my shlt, and she never worked a day in her life. Redistribution of wealth.
And I worked in government all of my life. I know how incapable it is. I managed a 300.000 dollar annual budget for my Army unit. At the end of each year I wasted money to make sure it got spent because if I didn't they would reduce my budget the next year by what I didn't spend. What If I need it next year? So we purchased dumb stuff like 800 dollar watches for everyone. Yes, with your tax money. And mine.
This is why I hate too much government. This is why I am a conservative. Small government is good (by the people). Democrats are killing us all.
They want more of what you work for so they can give it to everyone else and waste it. They kill babies. They want to take your guns. They want to give your money to men who suck men and women who lick women (and don't be fooled, this has nothing to do with accepting lifestyles, this is ALL about money. Government giving your money to them).
Oh sure, go ahead. Tell me this is why I have Social Security. Well, even though the Veterans Administration found me unemployable and permanently so, a social security judge determined I am not disabled. After I paid into it for over 30 years! This is how inept government is. The less the better.
Do I sound bitter? You bet I am. And they are probably monitoring this communication right now! They and all the liberals who believe life is some fairy tale fantasy world can just kiss my a$$.
Thank you. I feel better.
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darkfader24
9/17/2019 06:59 EST
Philly - Even I feel better after your Rant - and I didn't say a word!! I agree and I am very frustrated also.
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Robertdav298
9/17/2019 08:05 EST
Philly, thanks for sharing and I am glad you feel better. First, thank you for your military service and for your civil service, it is people like you that help MAG.
The sad thing is that your story is only one of thousands of guys this has happened to. Some not as bad and some much worse. The thing is if you think about it that was the message of DT, he called you the forgotten men across the nation. What makes his message so incredible is that it is genuine, he really cares. That is why he will win by a landslide in 2020, people across the nation realize his message is true.
Now having stood on my political soap box, I want to add that it does not matter what political party you are affiliated with or even if you have no party or your color of skin and religious belief. All you have to do is ask yourself are you better off than you were in 2015? It does not matter about all the gabage the media puts out or the never ending investigations about DT, his family, friends, business, old girl friends etc!
Those of us that have served our country in one way or another have an unbreakable bond, we know the price of freedom. I will be damned if I will let these far left liberal bastards take my weapons, I say come and get them BETO, I got a surprise waiting for ya.
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mootpoint20
9/17/2019 23:20 EST
And I as well, Robert. Well measured presentation. Think of how Trump reached out and made contact with the "Rocket-Man". It was ingenious. Boldly, stepping to the edge of the North border and waiting for "Rocket-man" to meet him! The Liberals don't understand why that matters. His action stated to Kim and the world, that he was not an imperial president, but an American who valued all people, and he had the courage to prove it. And, of course, there is no substitute for courage.
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Robertdav298
9/18/2019 04:12 EST
Moot, I think that long after we are gone that moment in time will be eched as one of the greatest moments in our history.
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LovePhilly
9/18/2019 09:54 EST
Dark,
I moved to this thread so no one gets mad about political discussion although they will anyway.
You should be mad. Everybody should be mad. This is what happens with your money when someone takes it from you and spends it "for you". They don't care how it is used because they didn't earn it.
Keep in mind that these are "legal" immigrants getting Social Security. Citizens! lol. Can you imagine how many illegal immigrants are getting your tax dollars?
I'd much rather them have just left me and my money alone, I'd have a lot more of it.
We need less government and less taxation.
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darkfader24
9/18/2019 16:43 EST
Philly - "We need less government and less taxation." Amen - you are Echoing the Original Boston Tea Party and The Amazing Ronald Reagan. Moot, and Robert are sooo right. Trump handled the Little Rocket Man situation Brilliantly! He's not a trained Politician. Thank God!! Ya know how many times Politicians jack things up?!? As a Businessman he knows how to handle people well. And also he is very intuitive and understands Human Nature! This is the Blessing of Trump! Also, Beto can shove it - by "It" I mean someone's "AK". That wanna be Mexican would change his tune if one of those illegal immigrants hurt him or someone in his family. BTW - I AM a Mexican - my Dad was from Mexico City (but an "Indian" from Chihuahua), and he became a LEGAL Immigrant, and a Naturalized USA Citizen. I was born in the Philadelphia area. I have noticed many times that when a Lib gets hurt by the kind of people they are defending, they do a 180, and in the most vicious way. I don't mean them any harm - except when they defend criminal types who have victimized others. Then I wish that they would get hurt in a similar fashion as the people that are victimized by the criminals.
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LovePhilly
9/18/2019 20:29 EST
Montgomery county MD became a sanctuary county (just outside of DC) and now they are over run with illegals. Some are raping women and young girls. Now the citizens are protesting.
It's a mess. All for votes. Democrats don't care about you, your community, your tax dollars... it's all about votes and power...
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Robertdav298
9/18/2019 20:44 EST
WHOA NELLY.......I am confused are you talking about immigrants receiving SS?
If yes then I am really confused because under SS RULES/LAWS a person must qualify i.e. they must have paid in for so many years and have worked for so many hours JUST TO QUALIFY. Therefore your monthy dispersement is based on a workers qualifications.
Example a person that owned their own business for 50 years and never paid into SS would recieve ZERO SS when their "so called elegibility date arrives.
Also to further this discussion, your eligibility date is based on your birthday, have you noticed that the government keeps raising the retirement age because they want more $$$$ paid in.
Think about this, a man started working in a factory at the age of 18 and was born in 1949, so in 1967 he starts working. His elegibilty would start at the age of 67 but what if he dies before then lets say he dies at age 65, so he worked for 47 years all the money he paid stays in the government and this happens all the time. If he is married his spouse would be elegible for survivor benefits BUT NOT UNTIL she reaches 62.
I have come to realize that the current SS system is nothing more than a "savings account" for the government! I also have learned that like any business the government has taken out loans on this $$$.
Thoughts guys?
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Goslig
9/18/2019 21:46 EST
RobertDav298. “Among normal retirees, lower status workers were more likely to die within 3 years of retirement than higher status workers, who were more prominent among deaths 4 to 5 years after retirement.“
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/627711/
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LarryKar
9/18/2019 22:22 EST
I'm confused like Robert as to how these relatives are collecting SSA just on the basis of being in the USA and never having paid into the system. If that's true I'm really torked having paid in since 1965 every pay day. Think we need further clarification on how this works.
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phonedoctor1
9/18/2019 23:38 EST
from what i have read on multiple sites the muslim so-called refugees that obama brought in, and all these illegals that they let in are being given in addition to all forms of welfare are also getting a monthly check thru social security, so they get better benefits than American citizens that are homeless and have paid into the system all their lives
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Goslig
9/19/2019 01:11 EST
phonedoctor1 Would you please provide links to establish what “sites” you are gathering your opinions from. Otherwise your post just smacks of garden variety GOP here-say. You strike me as an intelligent man. Then walk that walk. Salamat!
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Goslig
9/19/2019 01:22 EST
phonedoctor1 Would you please cite your comments with the links for those “sites” that claim that Obama brought in all “the Muslim so-called refugees and illegals”? This strikes me as GOP here-say fake news. I regard you as a highly intelligent man so do the due diligence for us Forum members who seriously doubt the veracity of your last post. Friend from the other side.
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phonedoctor1
9/19/2019 01:32 EST
gos it has been many months so i would not be able to find it but google what govt bene's the refugees are getting, and there have been many sites that showed illegals getting off busses and handed money etc
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phonedoctor1
9/19/2019 01:32 EST
gos it has been many months so i would not be able to find it but google what govt bene's the refugees are getting, and there have been many sites that showed illegals getting off busses and handed money etc
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mactan64
9/19/2019 04:50 EST
Please explaine how this relates to this Philippines forum??I loathe all politicians..
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Robertdav298
9/19/2019 08:20 EST
Mactan......not to be a smart ass but this thread it titled politics, it was created by DARK so we Americans and Canadians can come to this thread and have conversations so we do not upset people who like you. SMILE
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Robertdav298
9/19/2019 08:23 EST
gos.....suggest we do a deep give into this because alot of people are going to quite upset if true.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 10:42 EST
There are three Social Security programs. The first two: Social Security Retirement and Social Security Disability require that you worked some period during your life and paid into it.
The third, Supplemental Security Income does not require that you ever worked or paid into it. It only requires that you be poor. You can't have assets (which is why my in laws gave their house to the kids) or other income.
They are legally receiving it. And phonedoc is right. I read an article on this with all the numbers and something like two thirds of immigrants receive federal funding of some kind (housing, food stamps, health care, whatever). This goes for legal and illegal immigrants. California offers some of them free tuition for college.
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Goslig
9/19/2019 11:28 EST
LovePhilly sounds a bit like Canada. Refugees receive income support, but immigrants are either sponsored and supported by their family or the corporation that hires them. In other cases, depending on your qualifications, you can get a time limited student visa or working visa. After two years, you can technically qualify for income support as a Permanent Resident. Yet there is a five year cap on that for employable’s (like in the US) unless you’re handicapped,or a single parent. It’s tough to qualify for immigration. But refugees just walk across the border from the US in Ontario, Syrian terrorists and the like, some who were British citizens yet UK wouldn’t take them back.
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mootpoint20
9/19/2019 12:34 EST
I love this political blog. It helps me realize why some of you are in the Philippines...with these extremely compassionate people...e.g., "...Cite your facts, You didn't tell 'us' where you're getting your facts...!" Wow! I assume this gentleman has a mouse in his pocket.
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Tsmslf
9/19/2019 12:45 EST
I think SS tax receipts are paid into the general fund. There is no "lock box" of Al Gore fame in that what we pay simply goes into the federal accounts, is used for whatever and our SS checks are paid out of the same commingled general accounts.
SSA can't go BK as it is just an agency or an account. Payments come from the entire federal funds accounts so only it the feds go under will SS money stop flowing.
The probability of that is zero.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 13:19 EST
This article tells about immigrant welfare use:
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 13:21 EST
Also, for more information just google Social Security Insurance. It's what we used to call welfare.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 13:25 EST
When something becomes unpopular they just change the name of it. Example, "food stamps". We now call it the "Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program". It's still just free money for food whatever you want to call it.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 15:12 EST
Many left wing articles will indicate things like "most undocumented (illegal) immigrants don't qualify for federal assistance. What they don't say is that many of the federal programs are administered by the STATES and many states like California make all sorts of benefits available.
The (pro immigration) articles often skew statistics with phrases such as "a small proportion of welfare benefits go to legal residents compared to citizens born here". Which is true because they make up an over all smaller percentage of the population.
They make the numbers sound the way they want them to. Truth is, we spend billions of tax dollars on immigrants, both legal and illegal. That's why Trumps idea of allowing immigrants based on their ability to contribute to the economy is a good idea rather than "chain migration".
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 16:03 EST
For the article I referenced earlier, be sure to scroll down and look at the two charts.
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mactan64
9/19/2019 17:33 EST
Please explain is this a forum about the Philippines or a political party soap opreh
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 20:59 EST
Hey Mactan,
Did you happen to read the title of this thread before you opened it? Why don't you try another thread?
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Robertdav298
9/19/2019 21:36 EST
Philly......seems that I read somewhere that each illegal immigrant costs the US Government in the neighborhood of 70K.....i.e. the tax payers.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 21:57 EST
OK, I did some math. 40 million people that live in the U.S. were not born here out of the total 340 million that live in America. (one our of seven) Some 60% + are on welfare of some kind while around 30% of those born here receive welfare benefits of some kind (which is still shocking).
based on the website link I provided.
So yes, we need more immigrants. Bullsh1t. We need less Democrats.
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LovePhilly
9/19/2019 22:16 EST
And by the way...my WIFE is an immigrant. She is NOT on welfare. I'm not asking anyone else to provide for her. I AM!
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Goslig
9/20/2019 02:59 EST
LovePhilly In Canada, there is Income Support for unemployed and handicapped with no other income. Food banks are everywhere., Unemployment Insurance (which you pay into) that allows a pregnant couple time off work at a reduced income or if you loose your job. After 60, you get Old Age Security (around $500 p/m) and Canada Pension Plan (around $2000 p/m) which you pay into. If you never contributed you get Guaranteed Income Supplement. Parents get a monthly National Child Benefit (per child $450 p/mo.). Not bad for a country of 36,000,000.
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Goslig
9/20/2019 05:20 EST
mactan64 This Forum follows the free association model used in psychoanalysis. It’s orbit rarely deviates from election politics.
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Goslig
9/20/2019 05:47 EST
LovePhily & brother Robert:
According to the Vera Institute of Justice, incarceration costs an average of more than $31,000 per inmate, per year, nationwide. In some states, it's as much as $60,000. Taxpayers foot the bill for feeding, housing and securing people in state and federal penitentiaries.May 19, 2017. According to a 2018 report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), nearly 2.2 million adults were held in America's prisons and jails at the end of 2016. That means for every 100,000 people residing in the United States. Not including policing & court costs., There are more people (per capita) in US prisons than anywhere else in the world. That taxpayer bill is from $68,200,000. to $122,000,000 annually.
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Robertdav298
9/20/2019 06:03 EST
GOS........outstanding post, most people do not realize this.
I have a friend in the local RP government who told me that the RP is considering bringing back the death penalty because they cannot afford the prisons.
Human Rights groups have a field day with this especially in the US.
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Goslig
9/20/2019 06:22 EST
Robertdav298. If you saw the Norwegian documentary called July 22, in which a right-wing extremist murders 77 teens at a youth camp in 2011. They sentenced him to life in solitary confinement. A punishment fitting of his crime. It’s on Netflix.
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darkfader24
9/20/2019 07:17 EST
Goslig - I never saw that documentary. Wasn't that the guy that went to a Summer Camp and slaughtered all those children? What a horrendous tragedy. If there is ever clear video footage of these kinds of people without a shadow of a doubt and/or clear DNA Evidence - they must face the Death Penalty, in my very humble opinion. It is just too much. When a person kills even one innocent human, let alone dozens - and then, they are Children - it just cannot be tolerated. I won't be able to watch such a documentary. It's not me putting my head in the sand. I am not hiding from the truth. I just find it too upsetting. I know it happened - and there's not one thing that I can do about it. In regards to the endless number of people in America's Prisons - we are Too Hard on Some (a kid smokes pot and ends up in prison for 10 years for a drug less powerful than Alcohol, America's Favorite and Legal Drug), or we are too soft. For example: Here's a Devastating Story of incredible Injustice too long for me to type about at 4:15 AM so here's a link. Please check it out. This story is by no means isolated. It's just an amazing example: https://abcnews.go.com/US/san-francisco-woman-shot-killed-strolling-pier-father/story?id=32210463
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darkfader24
9/21/2019 17:56 EST
catabisis - "Both parties suck. They are both sellouts to special interests" - Truer words never spoken. I saw a long documentary (4 or 6 hours?) on Teddy Roosevelt. Back in the 1880s he was disgusted with Washington DC cuz he would see Senators from both Parties collaborating on DC street corners, working out the next Deal/Scam they were gonna pull, in order to get richer. Not "Rich" - but "Richer"! This has been going on for forever - greed, manipulation. Part of our Human Condition, sadly.
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mactan64
9/21/2019 18:49 EST
I couldn't agree more & WHY are people discussing politics on a Philippines forum???
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MCYRCPA
9/21/2019 19:05 EST
Expats have no business in Philippines politics. Mind your own business or get involved in your own countries screwed up politics. Philippines politics if for Filipinos,
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LovePhilly
9/21/2019 19:42 EST
OK, here is one for you and it is imminent. There is a bill being brought before the U.S. Senate next week that looks like there is a good chance it will pass. I will provide the link later but essentially it says that all worker visas to the United States will be given to people from India. No, I'm not joking. Google, Amazon, and all the tech companies have given thousands of dollars to GOP Sen. Mike Lee and he is sponsoring this bill. The idea is that Indians are smart, will work for super cheap and displace the higher cost of American college graduates.
I'm not kidding. Anyone from another country that is talented will be out of luck for the next 7 years and so will American college graduates.
This is bull sh!t. And as much as I like Trump he had better NOT sign this.
This will be his real test and here is the link to the article. Call your representatives and tell them to vote NO!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/20/mike-lee-promise-green-card-giveaway-indians-next-week/
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Goslig
9/21/2019 22:02 EST
MCYRCPA For sure Expats should not “get involved” in RP politics, but you’re a fool if you don’t stay informed. Information is power.
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Goslig
9/21/2019 22:17 EST
MCYRCPA If you can get a selfie with a prominent politician or PNP higher-up, carry it in your wallet. It’s a passport out of a hassle. I used to carry a throwaway wallet with two Benjamin Franklin's in it and nothing else in case I got into a police entrapment situation like at the Angeles City police station. When they asked me for my id, I would be very complimentary of the PNP officer and give him that. I read a story of an American arrested without reason and transferred to a Jail next, Then he was put it a cell with an African American who told him the Warden would call him out, and sit next to him on a bench. He was told to palm two $100’s (if he had any) to him without saying a word, and he would be released. That’s what happened. It was pure set-up all the way including the African American. The guy carried two Benjamin Franklin’s in his boot. Had to retrieve it without his cell mate seeing it.
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Goslig
9/21/2019 22:27 EST
LovePhilly India has, now, the highest population in the world
Look at their GNP. They are not commies HELL-BENT on destroying America. The US had to shift its farming and coal export markets somewhere?
Country GNP Per Capita
USA $10,533 $38
Japan $4,852 $38
Germany $2,242 $27
Britain $1,544 $26
France $1,543 $26
China $1,329 $1
Italy $1,260 $22
Canada $760 $24
Brazil $715 $4
Spain $651 $16
Mexico $578 $6
South Korea $515 $11
India $510 $0.5
Australia $444
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LovePhilly
9/22/2019 00:30 EST
Doesn't matter. This is fundamentally not fair. A talented person from Norway that wants to reside in America should have an equal competitive opportunity. Also, these people should not displace American workers. Period.
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Robertdav298
9/22/2019 00:58 EST
I could care less about the politics in the RP. The only thing I worry about is what they legislate and how it will affect me an an EXPAT.
Now for those of you who do not read when they log in or comment about our comments on this thread, please note this thread is titled "POLTICAL THREAD".
If you do not like the comments....then move, it is as simple as that.
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Robertdav298
9/22/2019 01:10 EST
DARK/CAT, I agree 100%, lets fire every Mayor, govenor, senator, house rep, judge and anyone who is an elected official and start over with TERM LIMITS and their pay would be minimum wage.
There is no way these corrupt people should make more than teachers, police and firemen!
Lets basically clean house on all elected officials.
While we are at it, lets make this a clean slate and pay athletes, celebrities and movie stars the minimum wage as well.
Did I leave any corrupt people out?
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darkfader24
9/22/2019 01:54 EST
MCYRCPA - That is exactlywhat we are discussing here - USA politics. Not Philippine Politics. Teddy Roosevelt and Washington DC are in America, not the Philippines. And this thread is called Politics Thread".
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Robertdav298
9/22/2019 07:43 EST
DARK......that is because we have a few people that simply post on this forum BUT DO READ the thread title......or they read it but ignore it.
Either way......pick your poison, I personally find it annoying.
Here is a typical example of FILIPINOS: a few years ago I bought a stand fan for my father in law, him and his two sons both in their late twenties attempted to assemble it, Opening the box and laying all the pieces on the floor while looking at the box they began, by the way they laid the illustrated instructions aside.
Well it took them over an hour to assemble and when they thought they were finished they had THREE pieces left.......they shly looked at me and I pointed to the instructions.
Point is most people do not read signs or instructions.
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mactan64
9/22/2019 12:35 EST
Is this the correct forum about people's lives in the Philippines,u mightn't know it for all the Bull S*it flying from both sides.All politicians are lying snakes!
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darkfader24
9/22/2019 18:45 EST
Mactan - "All politicians are lying snakes!" I could not agree more!! And, oopss -did you just make a Political statement? I guess you're guilty of jumping into "Politics", too!
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mootpoint20
9/22/2019 20:32 EST
Mactan: Barnum Baily who ran a famous circus would place a sign out whenever the circus got too crowded that said, "This way to the egress" Many people would follow blindly and find themselves locked outside the circus
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Goslig
9/22/2019 22:40 EST
mactan64 I fought for a return to Philippine issues for over a month back in 2018. A group of members on this forum will just attack you for it. They want to dominate the forum with pro Trump political messages. Most all of them still live in the US. The Expats who live here just answer questions for new members planning to move here, or comment occasionally about visa’s. This site has been taken over by US politics. It’s endless.
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mactan64
9/22/2019 22:59 EST
Yes Mate I've already had on veiled comment accuseing me of splitting hairs but I will keep it up coz this is for folks living in the Philipines or intending.Bring it on coz I have Broward shoulders
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LovePhilly
9/23/2019 08:54 EST
This thread is for Politics where we discuss politics. If you don't like politics, don't open the thread. There are hundreds of other threads to look at.
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Goslig
9/23/2019 20:17 EST
LovePhilly This American politics thread has been going on for years. The pro Trump commentary started long before you joined. If you criticised Trump you were ganged up on and relentlessly ridiculed. The Trump glorifiers posted complaints to the Moderator about you, who I believe is also pro Trump. He then posted humiliating remarks (about me) in retaliation. Fake accounts were used to obtain my email address for specific advise on permanent residency. Then my email password was changed. This was made fun of by the moderator. This Forum is toxic like the White House. It is being subverted into a Trump supporter forum Many others have left the Forum because of this. How many other nationalities still participate except for a couple Canadians? You are quite right. It is very irritating. Keep it up. The moderator loves it.
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LarryKar
9/23/2019 21:09 EST
mactan: Others have tried let me take my shot. Notice the title of this thread. POLITICS It was created to keep the political talk from getting into actually useful threads like " The Best Beach", "Types of Resident Visa" etc. Prior this was a big and very distracting problem. Sometimes it still spills over but this has helped. If you dont want to read political talk just scan on by when you see the thread title.
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Goslig
9/23/2019 21:42 EST
LarryKar Yes, a boycott of this (American) politics threat is the only way. I think it is a good thing to at least vent your frustration with it a couple times. Several promoters of using the forum for political debate to promote Trump are guys I like, and admire them for their accomplishments. I even enjoy it when they reach into American traditions of fellowship for their posts. They post about cars, campfires on the beach with beer, or discuss Filipina’s. It can get boring in the Philippines. I am the only foreigner for miles. This Forum helps me keep my Western culture. I don’t want it polluted with politics. There are some exceptions like Oldgrape and Asawa (who departed because of the toxic political contamination). Being a Right of Centre Quaker, I have found it best to avoid discussions about politics or religion. That was the rule in the sauna I hung out in on Vancouver Island.
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Robertdav298
9/24/2019 00:39 EST
Mactan,,,,,,,the name of the site forum is expat exchange which is an umbrella.
Within this exchange are many topics or threads each having a number of posts.
One such thread that you keep complaining about is the political thread, suggest you bypass this thread because it causes you grief.
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bbazor
9/24/2019 01:42 EST
Robertdav: When I was in the USA, I knew some people, mostly minorities, that knew how to get a social number. I think maybe it was from a dead person. I don't know how they do it, but they are able to get a number and collect. I knew some people that had family members doing that. In one case, the guy was 18 years old. I had a Filipina GF when I lived in Santa Cruz, CA that asked me if I wanted to buy a social security number that would allow me to collect. I told her "no". She was in the country with false papers. Later she applied for amnesty that was available in the 90's and became a citizen. Anyway, it seems like hard working citizens that do the right things don't know about these scams. I learned a lot from my Filipino, Mexican, and Vietnamese friends when I lived in San Jose. I was so surprised that they knew much more than I did because they hadn't been in the USA very long.
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darkfader24
9/24/2019 01:53 EST
bbazor/RobertDav - The illegals and minorities know about these scams because they have friends that show them how to do the scams. The friends found out from other friends. And so it goes. There are also people who CHOOSE NOT to participate, like you, bbazor. Your Pinay GF offered you an SS number and you refused to play the game. Good for you. It takes personal integrity to do the right thing.
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LovePhilly
9/24/2019 02:20 EST
An added plus is that you are not in prison for fraud. These people eventually get caught..
I put a guy in prison for many years for Social Security fraud.
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Morgacj2004
9/24/2019 02:43 EST
Do you realize how silly you all look complaining about about politics posts on a political thread that was created entirely for this purpose. If you don’t like the subject leave. It’s that simple. There are many other threads. Obviously some people have way too much time on their hands.
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LarryKar
9/24/2019 02:47 EST
GOS: very true and very sad how just a few have destroyed this site. Aided by Expat Forums own version of a Fair and Balanced moderator whose last job must have been Copy Editor on Fox And Friends. I've been visiting here since around 2012. Seen them all come and go. The poor guy from Davao who actually had good information from time to time but just finally got run off by the Bully of the month. Oh and let's not forget Golden Warrior or what ever his name was. Checking behind every Coconut Tree for evil doers. His escapades made Rambo and Arnold look like snowflakes. And oh he made sure we all knew it. But I'm not so sure he is really gone. Maybe just cleverly disguised now. Point is this site is only for masochistic entertainment during voyages into Trumplandia. Seldom anything useful. I have a couple of other sites I follow for actual information on Philippine Expat news.
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LovePhilly
9/24/2019 03:14 EST
You are completely right Morgac.
Also, U.S. Politics both directly and indirectly impact life in the Philippines on many levels.
I am proud of my President. He is the only politician I can think of that made promises before he got elected then did exactly what he promised he would do! I like his policies.
What I am ashamed of are those members of the House of Representatives who have spent all their time and effort for the last three years attacking my President instead of doing what they get paid to do...govern!
Notice that in this post I have insulted no one and I'm not offended that anyone disagrees with me. It's a political opinion on the politics thread.
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Goslig
9/24/2019 05:31 EST
LarryKar Thank you for that LK. Thing is that these toxic polluters don’t get, is that you can’t keep a good duck down. Gos will fight the good fight to the end (guess who?) to restore dignity to this Forum. You have been here since I first came. These naysayers don’t understand die hard, eh! Bunch of carpet baggers full of horse feathers.
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Goslig
9/24/2019 06:06 EST
LovePhilly You are a man from my own calling. I worked 17 years for Indian & Northern Affairs Canada. I did recoveries from Indian Bands that were defrauding on their welfare funding. My claw back averaged $900,000 a year. The good years were $2.4 to 5 mil. But I could only go so far because even after amortisation for 10-20 years, I could create a black hole of debt that a band wouldn’t never escape from. The RCMP considered it “like a Sears employee stealing from the till”. Only one Indian band criminally charged one of their administration staff (internal politics). Yet the Government of Canada was swindling the Indian Bands about 10-20 mil a year for ten years. I put my hammers on that one too, but (of course) it was a career limiting move. My exit strategy included exposing an internal po#n ring that took down the Regional Director General and many others. My manager (an Indian woman) was fired, and I quit. Loved every moment. I found the Indians relieved to give up their fraud. To make amends, I created 13 Indian run child protection agencies involving 116 Indian Bands all by my lonesome. I loved driving the back roads (in all weather) in the Northern wilderness in a Chrysler 300. Picked up Indian hitch hikers too. In the winter up North you get -40 cl. & a 20 foot plus snow bank on either side the road. Retirement kind of sucks, but I got a life now.
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Robertdav298
9/24/2019 07:38 EST
GOS/LARRY/PHILLY and DARK, I totally agree with GOS.......yeah we can talk about the RP in a variety of subjects but to be honest with you to me it gets old and boring.
The newbies always asking the same questions that we have answered many times over and over when all they have to do is look up the topics when they log in and choose what they are looking for.
I used to enjoy a good political debate but anymore the pure hatred surfaces, some people are so far left you cannot even reason with them.
Have you noticed that everything you read or watch is all about DT......the narrative is all about collusion, taxes, telephone calls etc,,,,,!
I say man enough is enough!
On the other side the DEMS are so far left they will never get back to center.
Our congress in total disarray
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LovePhilly
9/24/2019 10:45 EST
Robert, I've honestly never seen this before. These dems were so butt hurt after he got elected they just can't let it go. I think it's anti-American and many of them should be ashamed. They make no effort to have dignified discussion. Not even on here!
I'm not backing down from any of them. I want to make America great again.
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surfingcebu
9/24/2019 11:10 EST
Gos- you’re right, talking about politics when you’re away for you have been helps you retain your culture and sense of bearing.
As I have learned, there are many many rules on what you can talk about in the Vancouver Island sign up. The organics, and feminists, set the agenda, when you suggest another topic the bar you from speaking about it. Quite a culture on Vancouver Island.
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darkfader24
9/24/2019 11:22 EST
Goslig - More great stories about your time in The Great White North - with Indian Tribes. I remember in the Winter of 1967 in the Gallup, New Mexico area - Navajo Nation - it got so cold that horses, sheep and cattle on the Reservation would freeze to death standing up. It would be a Crystal Clear Day, Sunshine and all, but cars going down Route 66 (Get Your Kicks) would have their radiators freeze due to -40 Fahrenheit plus a Wind Chill from car momentum. I cannot imagine you up on the back roads of that tundra in a Chrysler 300!! You shoulda had your Everest! I remember my Step-Dad buying a Chevy Blazer 4 wheel drive the first year it came out. He wasted no time. Last I heard - it was still running. You could not hold those old Chevies down. On my way walking to school my hair would freeze and my nostrils would stick together when I inhaled. Funny memories. My kids would say to me "Yeah, right, Dad! And we're sure you walked to and from school 5 miles in the snow on your knees
uphill - BOTH WAYS!!" LOL
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darkfader24
9/24/2019 11:38 EST
Robert - If Newbies ask the same questions previously asked by others - it's only because they don't know that it's been asked and answered. I was (and maybe still am) clueless when I first got to this Forum. I was truly startled by the things that I first read about here. The RP is shrouded in Mystery, as I am sure the USA and Canada is to outsiders. Only there is a lot of information about the USA available in comparison to the RP. From what I gather, the RP may be just as mysterious to RP Officials, as I read that you get different answers from different Officials!! So I recommend that one of us points out to Newbies where to go for answers. I know that there is a Treasure Trove of information available on this site. I truly appreciate what I have learned here. Groups of postings that I find particularly useful - I copy and paste into Documents and save them as "pdf" files and store them on a Thumb Drive. Very handy for Future Reference.
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gelynch52ph
9/24/2019 13:35 EST
It is illegal, and a deportable offense to even comment on Philippine politics in most cases.
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gelynch52ph
9/24/2019 13:37 EST
The Liberal Party in The Failippines is the party that took over after Marcos and subsequently ruined the place. They are now the opposition to DU30 and are commonly referred to as "Yellowtards."
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Goslig
9/24/2019 20:07 EST
gelynch52ph Could you elaborate on what context you meant by comment? I have made comments on this Forum and in Facebook all in support of DU-30. I doubt I am going to be deported for that. Do you have any facts to support your assertion. I know there are cases of deportation for attending political rallies. But that is all I have ever heard. I am a member of DU-30’s Facebook Group and his Daughters.
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LovePhilly
9/26/2019 08:51 EST
Hey! I read that Bernie Sanders has a new plan for the NFL.
Any team with more than 12 wins must give those wins to the NY Jets because nobody deserves that many wins! lol.
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mattinnorfolk
9/26/2019 11:37 EST
This is a hysterical post fohilly but I think the answer would be eight wins, because he wants everybody to have the same. Just like everyone has the same in Communist China or the former Soviet union. Haha
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LovePhilly
9/26/2019 12:36 EST
Hahaha.
And Robert, I just finished "Killing the Rising Sun". Excellent reading, couldn't put it down. Makes me want to read the rest of the series. Thanks for the recommendation!
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Robertdav298
9/28/2019 08:11 EST
PHILLY, I knew you would like it, wasn't horrible what the Japanese did in Manila and all of the the RP actually.
Another book is called "last man out" it was written by a POW that survived the horror of Palawan.
Actually, I am told there is a grave site and a monument for these poor guys that were so tortured by the japanese on Palawan.
It is on my bucket list to pay homage.
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LovePhilly
9/29/2019 06:53 EST
Hey! The Democrats got Trump on video with 15 items in the 12 item checkout line! I'm sure they have him this time!! lol
The Dems are going down faster than Bill Clintons pants in an Arkansas trailer park!
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Goslig
9/29/2019 07:31 EST
LovePhilly Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has Trump’s blue trophy dress with his personal political gain juice all over it. Time to suck it up.
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Goslig
9/29/2019 10:48 EST
LovePhilly The devil is in the details. Guilt must be denied at all costs. Sigmund Freud
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surfingcebu
9/29/2019 11:11 EST
Love - that was funny on the 15 Items and the trailer park . Had a good laugh . I needed that !!! No mention Hillary's pant suits thought . Gosh that couple has fenced the American public for mega millions over the years , all the while grooming Chelsie for the 'next step' . Scary family actually.... their enemies are dammed ...and some even go missing ! They are indeed above the laws, we little folks have to abide by .
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Robertdav298
9/29/2019 20:04 EST
Don't you find it interesting that the whistleblower form was changed a few weeks ago changing it to say "here say" it allowed.......hmmmm.......makes one wonder....don't you think?
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Goslig
9/29/2019 21:22 EST
Robertdav298 I find this whole minority government and classifying top secret of Trump’s “quid pro quo” deals with foreign powers for dirt on democrats to aid his campaign interesting. Most democratically elected governments that are a minority need a third party to vote on legislation with them to stay in power. All Trump needs is William Barr, Mike Pompeo, Rudy Giuliani, and Deep State hard drives to prevent being exposed by the truth.
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Robertdav298
9/30/2019 00:02 EST
GOS/PHILLY/DARK. I just watched Mark Levine and Steve Hilton who by the way in my opinion are the best at what they do in the universe.
Mark Levine showed a step by step layout of this whole "LEAKER" story, he showed how this all was generated by the left and planned months ago. He specifically showed how SCHIFF portrayed the whole transcript and writing the end before the start..
Steve Hilton delved into the Biden and son escapades.
My takeaway was this is just another planned event to takedown DT.
Personally as a taxpayer for many years and a military veteran of 30 years I find this government corruption appalling.
Interesting enough both of these gentlemen pointed out that this type of corruption is not something new. It just reared its ugly head because DT won the election in 2016 and that the left was completely caught off guard and have been recovering ever since.
They will not rest until DT is impeached because they simply cannot accept defeat, it was not in the plan.
There is no doubt in my mind that the House will bring forth Impeachment proceedings BUT they will NEVER get an Impeachment vote in the Senate.
Meanwhile nothing is getting done in the government, just as promised by the DEMS after 2016. Everything DT has accomplished he has done his own......sad isn't it.
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Morgacj2004
9/30/2019 00:35 EST
Exposed to what Gosling? What the hell are you even talking about? This is nothing but a way for the Democrats to make DT look bad and continue to do NOTHING. They have no original ideas plans so instead they deflect by going after those in power.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 00:42 EST
Robertdav298 If Trump wants to clear his name and the office of the presidency, then let him release the actual tape of his conversation that doesn’t qualify as the most important of all national secrets, just a secret he can hide behind. Let the truth come out and quit all this BS of redefining the process.
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LovePhilly
9/30/2019 07:59 EST
Gos, it wouldn't matter if he released the tape and assigned a democrat in the house to sit beside him through his entire presidency. They are simply out to get him and will drum up another reason if this one doesn't work. It's nothing more than attack, attack, attack to circumvent the American voter! Plus...
The Supreme Court just ruled there can be no nativity scene this Christmas on Capital Hill. They can't find three wise men and are still looking for a virgin. They DO have plenty of asses for the stable though..
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Goslig
9/30/2019 09:34 EST
LovePhilly It’s not much different from the political climate surrounding the other impeachment’s of presidents. Except to say that this one has more veracity. Where are his tax returns required by law? What were his private discussions with Putin about? I don’t want to go on. It’s enough already.
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mattinnorfolk
9/30/2019 09:41 EST
Gosling, Tax returns are not required by law, and have been voluntary since 1974 with only Ford saying no until DT. Actions speak louder then words, and DT has hurt Russia far more then the previous administration, and that is simply the facts. You don't have to be a fan, and I am not in many ways, but I measure outcomes more than intentions and especially so in politicians.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 10:08 EST
matinnorfolk. The Ways & Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-MA) sent the following letter to Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Commissioner Charles Rettig after the IRS missed the April 10, 2019 deadline to furnish six years of the President’s personal and business tax returns. The letter cites a 1924 law that gives the House Ways and Means Committee the power to request tax returns from the Treasury Department for review in closed session.. You know this already. Don’t you think I do too?
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LovePhilly
9/30/2019 12:07 EST
Gos,
The point is, he's doing a fantastic job and getting results that voters want...and without the help of the House and in spite of the never ending attacks. So, who cares about his past tax returns? I don't.
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Morgacj2004
9/30/2019 13:09 EST
You are the only person on this forum that cares about DT prior tax returns. What does that have to do with anything relevant?
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Robertdav298
9/30/2019 20:04 EST
Guys, do not be surprised when the truth be told about this whole "leaker" conversation that ADAM SCHIFF is behind the whole thing.
DT is already asking for him to be investigated as my grandpa used to say "there is a squirrel in the nut house.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 20:25 EST
LovePhilly I completely disagree with your assessment on many levels. Never before has Americans been more divided. The deficit will reach $960 billion for the 2019 fiscal year, which ends today. That gap will widen to $1 trillion for the 2020 fiscal year. The president has mused in recent days about reducing the taxes that investors pay on capital gains, a move that is estimated to add $100 billion to deficits over the next decade. He has also talked about cutting payroll taxes, which could reduce revenues by $75 billion a year for every percentage point cut in payroll tax rates. Typically, the budget deficit shrinks when unemployment is low. But it is increasing despite the longest economic expansion on record. and the lowest jobless rate in 50 years.. It is 25 percent larger than it was in 2018, and the budget office predicts it will continue to rise every year through 2023. Mr. Trump’s indifference to deficits has shattered his campaign promise not only to balance the budget, but also to pay off the entire national debt. This has pushed Congress to cut future deficits by reducing benefits for federal health care and retirement programs, like Medicare and Social Security..
The deficit has now risen four consecutive years, and is on track to rise for the next four. Such a streak would break the record for longest run of deficit increases in recorded American history, five years, from 1939 to 1943. This underscores the degree to which Republicans in Washington — who championed fiscal responsibility under President Barack Obama, a Democrat — have largely abandoned that goal. While lawmakers continue to talk about the need to reduce the deficit, it is no longer the kind of animating issue that ushered the Tea Party into power. This is only one topic for which I conclude that Trump is the most dangerous wrecking ball ever to occupy the White House.
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LovePhilly
9/30/2019 20:37 EST
Gos, I do agree with you about the deficit. It is simply unacceptable from either side of the isle. I will remind you however that congress controls the purse strings, not the president. He can veto all day long but still get blamed if federal workers don't get paid. This is our congress at work.
You know this. And really? You want to blame him for draining the swamp? He promised us he would and he is! The entire district of Washington (the swamp) is attacking him every day on every level because they have been rolling in the taxpayer pig pen so deep they never want it to stop.
I don't blame them but you can't be sincere in your concern about our deficit if you support anyone who wants "free" healthcare, "free" college "free" everything that is NOT free.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 20:40 EST
I would like to add a footnote to my post about Trump’s disastrous deficit. If there is a recession and interest rates rise, then you will have a stunning collapse in the economy and the deficit will multiply. I don’t have much confidence in the Democrats tackling the deficit either. It’s not a sexy issue like “a big beautiful wall”. It’s the quicksand that America will sink into.
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LovePhilly
9/30/2019 21:02 EST
Well Gos, an issue you deem "sexy" is a very important issue to many of us. You will see with our votes as you have before. Try to demean it if you will but a great majority think it is very important.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 21:12 EST
LovePhilly You and I both know Trump deals with a stacked deck. His wall was built with money he diverted from the military budget. Export markets are disappearing. Tariffs only hurt US companies who then pass those costs onto consumers. Consumer debt reached 13 trillion in the fourth quarter of 2018. When I learned to ride a motorcycle. it was disastrous to look at the road in front of your bike. You had to look down the highway at where you wanted to be. Both Republicans and Democrats have forgotten this on the economy and environment.
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Goslig
9/30/2019 21:20 EST
LovePhilly Don’t get me wrong. I think it is very important even for saving the lives of the refugees escaping poverty and into the hands of the murdering coyotes who extort, rape and kill them. I just said it was a sexy issue whereas the deficit, far more dangerous in the longer term, isn’t. Just pray that interest rates don’t rise and everything will be fine. But ask yourself, would you play high stakes poker if Trump was the dealer?
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LarryKar
10/1/2019 00:19 EST
I also care about Tax Returns. I looked it up. Ford did eventually blink to the point of releasing a summary of his tax return. Several sources verify that including NPR in an interview with Cokie Roberts . It was not clearly stated however if it was typed or written out on colored paper with a Sharpie. That detail is lost in the mist of history.
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Robertdav298
10/1/2019 02:50 EST
GOS/PHILLY....can I butt in here, enjoyed your conversation concerning the national debt and GOS you were right as usual but correct me if I am wrong, didn't the debt increase under Obama as well?
Now I have a point to make about the national debt and you both know this. How much do we send each fiscal year in foreign aide?
If you really want to balance the budget then take care of your own debt before sending ONE DOLLAR to help other countries. In 2018 the US spent over 14 BILLION in AIDE to other countries Now I know thats peanuts as compared to trillions but it sure is a healthy start.......agreed?
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tlallen59
10/1/2019 05:26 EST
Goslig #1 please read the transcript of the phone call.
#2 He puts all conversations with world leaders on a secure server because of the leakers and cut thoughts left over from the last administration. If there was something to hide why did he turn it over right away? He plays you people like a fiddle. Don't you find it interesting that they have to stand there and lie about what was said so it gets read into the congressional record and reported on the evening news that is what he said. It's all to cover up what the DNC did before the 2016 election and there are documents and witnesses to prove it. This is what you do when you can't win at the ballot box.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 05:55 EST
RobertDav good question.
$2,065,536,336,472.90 to be exact - in new debt between Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017, and February 11, when the country pushed past $22 trillion. (The US added another $2.8 billion through February 15, the latest daily figures available.) That is less than the $3.46 trillion added between Obama's inauguration in January 2009 and February 11, 2011, but it is more than the $676 billion added under Bush and the $617 billion added under Clinton in their first 752 days as president.
One important difference between Trump's debt figures and Obama's is that Trump has added a massive amount of debt while the US economy has been strong, whereas Obama took over during the depths of the financial crisis.. Economists typically recommend that the federal government increase spending, and thus add more debt, during times of economic struggles and then pay down that debt when the economy recovers. So while economic theory would support Obama's spending to help support the economy, Trump's recent debt binge has less support among economists.. Trump will have accumulated $3.73 trillion in new debt by the end of the 2020 fiscal year, and if he wins reelection, the total debt added is projected to come in at $8.78 trillion. Trump could add roughly the same amount of debt as Obama over two terms, when the economy was far better. The US national debt passed $22 trillion on February 11, the first time the federal debt had breached that threshold.
The landmark came just over two years after President Donald Trump, who once promised to eliminate the federal debt in eight years, took over the Oval Office.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 06:03 EST
Robertdav298 Aside from the 22 Trillion in National debt and the 13 trillion in consumer debt (a large portion of which is student loans), how would Trump and his posse get any dirt on the Biden’s, the FBI and the DNC servers if he didn’t offer the Ukraine $400,000,000 in military aid as leverage?
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Goslig
10/1/2019 06:12 EST
tlallen59 He’s your pied piper, not mine. The art of disinformation has been raised to new heights on mount probable deniability. It’s a slippery slope. Don’t count your chickens before they roost. Even the GOP told him he did a “no-no”. My guess is that they know more than you do. Lots of Trump’s base are completely brain washed. He’s an expert at it. You’ll get over it once he is defeated. Maybe Mitt Romney will take the helm and get the ship if state back on course.
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Robertdav298
10/1/2019 07:54 EST
GOS......for some reason I am not getting posts anymore.....this happened about a week ago......has this happened to you?
What I now have to do is log in each time to the genearl forum and click on the RP.......sucks
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Goslig
10/1/2019 08:46 EST
Robertdav298 Yes, that has happened on and off to me in the past. If you go to the subject stream they will be there. The moderator has tools to delay posts from the stream or take them down or filter them in other ways according to what the previous moderator told me in a PM. Sometimes I think the website is down. Unless there is an outrageous freaking crazy name calling post, I don’t think he will take it down. Even then maybe not. Who even knows if it is the same person that was the moderator a year ago. I would report it to admin. as a technical issue.
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LovePhilly
10/1/2019 09:39 EST
Gos,
I'm not brain washed. I support Donald Trump because he is my President and because he is the lesser of two evils. Also I agree with most of his policies. There are things I don't like about him.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 10:13 EST
LovePhilly There were things about Nixon and Clinton that people didn’t like, but the were impeached just the same. I agree with your sentiment about the office of the presidency, but not the person. He’s tipped the scales in the wrong direction for America in my judgement. I don’t object to a view opposite of mine, but I call it how I see it. No disrespect to you personally. I am a judgemental type of guy. In retrospect my choice of the word “brainwashed” is overstatement. I abide by my own version of rugged individualism and don’t subscribe to specific political camps. I never liked Hillary or Bill. I liked John McCain’s heart. I liked Martin Luther King. I look for self consistency. Hypocrite’s make a mess of the world.
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tlallen59
10/1/2019 13:18 EST
Mitt Romney that's a hoot. Seeing Hippocrates for what they are is not brain washed. As far as roosters go you people better do the same because he's coming for you. The only people that meddled in the 2016 election are the democrats and there's real proof of it so stand by it's coming.
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Morgacj2004
10/1/2019 17:22 EST
Love Philly Gos is a Canadien it doesn’t matter what he thinks. Lol. They have enough issues with their own crazy prime minister. He needs to put his focus there instead of criticizing DT
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Robertdav298
10/1/2019 20:18 EST
MITT R....is a joke at best.....remember he is a politician first.
GOS.......all of the people you mentioned in your posts were career Politicians..
No one in their right mind likes politicians, they rank just above lawyers, who rank just above child molesters that are on the bottom of the septic tank.
Most people you talk to or listen to, do not care about party, they want whats best for their country, their family and their future.
As I have posted many times, RESPECT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.....you may not like the person sitting in the oval office but as a voting citizen all you can do is vote against them next election.
Also, I have one more thing to add concerning the posts. Personally I disagree with many of the posts but I have learned that to respect the post unless it is a personal attack on me or my country.......THEN I RESPOND WITH VIGOR.
I have noticed that some posters come on this site purely to cause trouble, a veteran of the site can usually spot it right away.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 20:59 EST
Morgacj2004. As usual you use the forum to spread LIES about me. I have a current American Passport and was a naturalised Canadian citizen like many of the Jewish faith. Like Trump, you rely on LIES to make comments. You’re a LIAR about anyone who disagrees with you. You will always be a LIAR.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 21:08 EST
Robertdav298 Thank you for your comment. I sometimes have to call a person an outright LIAR when the repeatedly post false information the know to be untrue about me. Anyone relying on lies to gain support for themselves can’t stand on their own two feet. Brings to mind politicians and lawyers.
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LovePhilly
10/1/2019 21:10 EST
Gos, I'm a bit confused. You were born in America? Then became a Canadian with dual citizenship who now lives in the Philippines?
You are also Jewish?
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mootpoint20
10/1/2019 21:14 EST
When a 'liar' calls everyone else a liar, you can be sure....'his pants are on fire'! Stealing attention at the expense of the community, defaming respectable people simply to inflate a childish ego should not be encouraged. Please, count the comments on this blog, and exactly what neurotic is pouring out his poison, constantly. One 'clown' is dominating this outlet, and all you need for evil to succeed is for 'good' people to do nothing. I would suggest something be done. The outlandish abuse just given to Morjac is real serious. Will the group please wake up.
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Morgacj2004
10/1/2019 21:36 EST
I know Goslig you are the know all ,ever encompassing savior to the world. There is no subject that you aren’t an expert on, no country that you have never lived in and no job that you have ever held. I bow down before you. The second coming is here.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 22:40 EST
LovePhilly To clarify the rules on dual citizenship, a legal case was won against the State Department in around 1983 because under American Law, it was illegal to become a citizen of a foreign country. After entering Canada, I maintained my American citizenship since I worked for private agencies. Then I was offered a good opportunity with the Province of British Columbia government.. I then applied for Canadian citizenship and was granted it to meet their job requirement to be a Canadian citizen. You have to swear an oath to the Queen. I went to the US consulate in Vancouver and reported my Canadian citizenship BUT DID NOT DENOUNCE MY AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. Israel had been granting unsolicited Israeli citizenships to Jewish Americans who, then, the State Department took away their US citizenship. The case went to court, and exceptions were established for “dual citizenship” that included “condition of employment”. Briefly the State Department took away my US citizenship while my case was reviewed. I never broke any US laws and I complied with the Draft Act. My US citizenship was then reinstated, and I was reissued a new US passport that I have kept renewed since then. My Canadian born daughter was also granted US citizenship and has her US passport and SS card since she was “born to an American living overseas” and was “NOT AN ALIEN” (lol). I thank the Jewish people who led the way to allow for dual citizenship under certain circumstances. I left my provincial job and, then, got a much better federal job, but favourite sons are always selected before naturalised citizens unless your qualifications are far better. I have been a Quaker, or member if American Friends Society since 1966. I don’t tell lies.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 22:52 EST
Morgacj2004 Unlike you or Trump, I check my facts. I use Google. You know that I am an American, but choose to lie about it. Don’t try and change the context. If I make a mistake, I apologise and correct it. You have no humility and are incapable of it. You are just a political troll for Trump. I have no respect for your kind. There are other Trump supporters that I do respect and agree to disagree with. But all you got is personal attacks and lies. Educate yourself with facts instead of listening to Fix News. Without lying, you have no defender.
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Goslig
10/1/2019 22:57 EST
mootpoint20 You are full of horse feathers as usual. Your main contribution on this forum is personal attacks against those who can see Trump for who he is. You need to broaden your horizons, yet where else would you fit in but the USA?
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tlallen59
10/2/2019 05:23 EST
Right on Robert! I have been a member of this site for many years and have seen many come and go. Respect the office is right on the money. I am so sick of this orange man bad crap. For 8 years we put up with a mulatto who called himself black and wrote in his book about how he smoked dope and did coke starting in high school. what a winner that allows his children to do the same. (there are pictures) But I never bad mouthed him the way these people disrespect this man and will say and do anything to have him removed just because there criminal candidate lost even though she cheated and did everything she could do to win. HA Greatest thing that could of ever happened for this country was to send her back to New York with her tail between her legs. It's what Filipinos call a "MAO"!
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tlallen59
10/2/2019 05:46 EST
Google uses there algorithm to skew the results of your searches as admitted by a real whistle blower. And as far a honesty goes CNN and MSMBC are truly honest in there reporting. NOT True believers that if you shove the same lie up people's ass' enough it will become the truth. It's the lefts modus operandi. Is Trump perfect? No not at all but he has many redeeming quality's like calling people out who are full of crap unlike republicans of the past that cow tow thinking that the left will be nice to them only to find out that they will use them and then destroy them personally. 60 million+ of us Americans have had enough and are glad to have somebody in the oval office that truly has our back.
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LovePhilly
10/2/2019 08:47 EST
That's right Allen, preach the word brother, you are right on! There was a technique of propaganda used by the Nazi called "The Big Lie". They demonstrated if you made a lie so big it was unbelievable, the masses would accept that it must be true because nobody would make that up.
The libtards here in America are busy inventing news stories to distract everyone from what is really going on. They know they are gonna lose again and it will probably mean two more conservative voices on the Supreme Court for many years to come. They are losing their minds over this. It means the end of abortion. It means safe borders. It means no one will get free taxpayer money for being gay and I won't have to pay for sex change operations.
So it's not about President Trump per say, it's the issues that matter. I agree with him on the issues and so do many millions of Americans that don't live in an overcrowded city.
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LovePhilly
10/2/2019 12:10 EST
Also, if anyone here wants to really understand where these President attacks are coming from, read this article carefully.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/01/adam-schiffs-office-denies-conflict-of-interest-for-staffer-on-think-tank-backed-by-ukraine-gas-company/
It is technical because big democrat donors hide behind multiple layers of organizations.
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Robertdav298
10/2/2019 20:23 EST
A little humor with all these insults.....
Anybody ever see the movie with EDDIE MURPHY where he talks with animals i.e. DR. DOLITTLE?
There is a scene where he is taking his dog to the vet office and he is sitting there with all of these pets.........there is a GERMAN Shepherd that is going in to be snipped......he says"cmon man it wasn't me, she is lying, please no".......I found this to be extremely humorous considering the adjective LIAR has been used in this thread.
TFALLEN.......after watching al jazeera yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that SCHIFF........has mud on his face and is behind this whole conspiracy.
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phonedoctor1
10/2/2019 21:41 EST
schiff is, 12 days before the complaint was turned in, he was having meetings with the whistle blower telling him exactly ghow to do it, and changing the rules so that heresay, or gossip, 2nd or 3rd party knowledge cxould be used ! Instead of how it always it HAD to be 1st party knowledge of the incident
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Goslig
10/2/2019 21:52 EST
Robertdav298 LIAR is a noun, not an adjective. It was used to accurately describes the comment directed by the poster at me as part of a personal attack who knew it was a lie. Lies are now proliferating the thread devoted to US politics that is exclusively kept going by the right wing radicals on this forum prone to using swear words to indicate their support for the current president who was elected by a minority and who has approval by a minority and who is also a serial LIAR.
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Robertdav298
10/2/2019 23:27 EST
GOS.......thanks for correcting me.....but you totally missed the point of my post, didn't you?
Yes, it is well known that people mispeak on things to suit their own narrative. All you have to do is listen to the media for one hour and you will see this to be true.
It is also well known that you are NOT a DT supporter.
Unfortunately in todays political arena, lying, name calling and hatred seems to be the norm.
Being civil went out the window after 2016.
You can expect the right wingers to continue being aggressive i.e. DT supporters as long as the left continues its continued rhetoric against DT. People like Adam Schiiff, Maxine Watters, Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler, the squad have vowed to impeach DT since the day he was elected.
The people of the US are not stupid they see right thru this charade. Why doesn't House focus on the real issues facing our country i.e Health Care, Immigration, Taxes, Infrastructure......just to name a few?
You know why, it's because fixing any of these issues would be a win for DT AND THEY CANNOT HAVE THAT!!
Meanwhile the American people are waiting.......but you know what? Come election time these people are gonna be looking for work.
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Goslig
10/2/2019 23:53 EST
Robertdav298 I have no problem with your comments, though I disagree with them. You are a member of thus forum who abides by a respectful decorum. I respect you for that. I will continue with the majority of America who are dissatisfied with DT for well grounded and trustful reasons. I could become a Republican or Democrat, but I remain independent. The final curtain is still coming. Like Michael Moore stayed several times, the Democrats have a weak field of candidates. Yet if Michelle Obama enters the race, watch out. She is a Trump DESTROYER.
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tlallen59
10/3/2019 05:13 EST
I agree 100% Robert. When they tell the accused that if he defends himself it's obstruction you know its all a made up pack of lies.
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Goslig
10/3/2019 07:49 EST
tlallen59 I am sick of seeing your posts of horse feathers. Just wait and watch what happens!
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LarryKar
10/3/2019 18:27 EST
Morgacj2004 tlallen59 You guys and your Trumpist Manifesto don't bother me. I keep busy digging this trench around my property and shooting neighbors in the legs if they get to close. Anybody know a good place to buy crocodiles and some venomous snakes? Maybe I can get a copy of the price sheet Trumps Staff prepared for him. As one talking head said, "who are these people who once had scruples but now defend this guy? Feel like I've awoken in the middle of an " Invasion of the Body Snatchers" dream.
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surfingcebu
10/3/2019 19:09 EST
Larry- funny bit. A had a laugh.
Trump is taking back the USA, I’m gathering. The Democrats have all the banks, insurers, mass media , white hating Don Lemon, Anderson popper, multinationals on there side+++, . Don’t you find that the least bit alarming, or of concern? What Monsanto, AT&T or Bank or America , Soros, ect. Wants , may not be in line with your average working class Democrat. Quite sure of this fact. but they are funding the Dems 110% . The Dems are the party of big control and big Corporations now. The old Dems don’t exist anymore. Hi jacked by the extreme left and multinationals , billionaires and the like . I miss the Dems if old frankly....
Once Trump and his show is gone it’s back to Multinationalism, little military, and corporatism , pro China +++... just a hunch... more than a hunch actually.
I think the Americans are smarter than we think - even the smelly Walmart shoppers ( as the Dems say) and can look at Europe and see what leftist Brussels has brought Euro Nations via the EU and restrictions on there own nation , de- nationalism, , and a languishing economic outlook, major debt , crime , uncontrolled boarders and uncertified immigration from Africa. Need I go on? Your average Yank can see through fake socialism the brand the current Dems are trying to sell.
3033311303 Biden , or that Fake Native chick won’t save America.... sorry to say! Ha! ;) Quite the contrary in my opinion.
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LovePhilly
10/3/2019 19:11 EST
Larry, these are just people who love their country. I'd call them Patriots. Yes, that's the perfect term.
Good news though! My wife got a letter today indicating her hearing date is Nov 1 in Pittsburgh for her green card! Before the new year she should have it!
And you know what? She did it legally! She didn't cheat or lie. She just applied and waited her turn! That's an awesome concept!
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Robertdav298
10/3/2019 19:13 EST
Larry/GOS, its ok not to be a DT supporter, that is your right. But the questions I have for you are this.
1) is he not the elected person in 2016, like it or not?
2) why doesn't the oppostion work on the issues the country has rather than fight the fight everyday? Doesn't the people win regardless of party lines, if they fix health care or infrastructure?
Now I had to put up with the last president for EIGHT grueling years, imagine that.
Regardless of how you feel about DT, you have to agree that the country has issues that need to be addressed.
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Goslig
10/3/2019 20:20 EST
Morgacj2004 tlallen59 LovePhilly, 58% of Americans are patriots and disapprove of Trump.
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Goslig
10/3/2019 21:45 EST
dirtydelta I agree that it is odd. Politicians are servants of the people and not entertainers. It is also odd that a forum that is devoted to Expats (of all nationalities) that are LIVING IN THE PHILIPPINES is dominated by a few Americans who only have visited the Philippines or married a Pinay and offer posts exclusively devoted to the current US President.
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Robertdav298
10/3/2019 21:48 EST
GOS......58%......hmmmmmm can I ask where you found this number?
I am guessing it wasn't Alabama, TENN, GA, NC, LOUISIANA, OHIO, PENN, WISC, SC or Texas, Indiana,,,,,,,,just to name a few
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surfingcebu
10/3/2019 22:20 EST
dirty - Yes I find it odd . Politicians should be sole servants of the tax payers ....but NOT today . Is all about glitz , victimization, fitting the narrative and stardom.
Its quite sad really . I dont even recognize some of the stabilized long standing parting int he world anymore Dems, Republicans , Labour Party in the UK , Liberal Party of Canada , Swiss peoples party , CDU - Christian Democratic Party of Germany , and so on ...
They are all non recognizable to me these days . Something is happening to the political world I think and its not good !
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gelynch52ph
10/4/2019 00:54 EST
Dubya was somehow absent during most of his required duty time in the Reserves. In military parlance that is called being AWOL and he would have been court-martialed has his daddy not been head of the CIA.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 00:56 EST
Robertdav298 September 30, 2019 Gallop poll has DT’s disapproval rating at 58%.
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gelynch52ph
10/4/2019 00:58 EST
The Chinese presence in Vancouver is mostly rather well off people who left Hong Kong when England gave it back to China. Most of the gang violence there is composed of Vietnamese and Filipino gangs fighting each other.
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LovePhilly
10/4/2019 03:02 EST
Gos,
Why do you constantly complain about Americans discussing politics on the "politics" thread yet you post more on it than anyone else does?
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tlallen59
10/4/2019 05:06 EST
Like wise Goslig and I'm not the only one. Save some kool-aid to wash down that crow.
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tlallen59
10/4/2019 05:18 EST
Your a pretty gullible guy Larry. Myself and millions of smelly walmart people just like me love the way he twists you people into knots. The truth will set you free to bad you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.
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tlallen59
10/4/2019 05:29 EST
58%, and the true obstructor of justice is going to win in a land slide don't forget.
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LarryKar
10/4/2019 05:44 EST
tlallen59 Thank you. You have just told me everything I need to know about you. I can now live a happy life completely ignoring you.
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Robertdav298
10/4/2019 05:59 EST
GOS......yeah I saw that as well but it really mean nothing, you know about poll numbers right?
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Goslig
10/4/2019 08:49 EST
Fader. Gallup polling has found that 46% of Americans are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" while 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners".
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Goslig
10/4/2019 08:52 EST
LovePhilly Another completely false assertion. I complain that this Forum is for Expats living in the Philippines, not Americans living in the US promoting Trump.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 09:07 EST
Robertdav298 Yes, poll numbers change all the time and have sometimes only marginal ability to predict outcomes. Interestingly enough, Trump has never gotten over 49% in any poll conducted throughout his presidency. He represents only a minority of Americans. I think there are much better qualified Republicans to lead the GOP than him. Not saying who I would vote for unless Michelle Obama, the Trump destroyer, runs for office. She gets my vote.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 09:12 EST
gelynch52ph. Officially the agreement between China and the ZuK does not give Hong Kong to China until 2054. But they will surely try and take it before then.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 10:13 EST
gelynch52ph The gang the Red Scorpions are Vietnamese, but then you have the International Gang, which is East Indian, the Russians, the Hells Angels and a few others. It’s a mess.
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darkfader24
10/4/2019 16:05 EST
Gosling - "Gallup polling has found that 46% of Americans are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" while 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners". All I can say is - Do you think America is getting better or worse? I say "Worse". A cultural breakdown. I listen to those Rappers and their vile speech - and highly developed sense of entitlement - and they are all Democrats. I listen to Ocasio-Cortez, and her co-horts - all Democrats. I hear the New York Senate - almost all Dems - as they stand up and ROAR in support of actually allowing the deaths of Babies that DARE TO BE BORN ALIVE when an abortion does not work - INFANTICIDE. If you, as a Quaker, don't think that God Almighty is going to judge THAT - then I don't know what to say. And all I can think is "Dear, Lord - we really need help!" The Republicans are far from perfect, but cheering at the top of their lungs over Infanticide? When I heard the recording, the hair on my arms literally stood up. I felt like I was hearing the second rise of the Nazi Party and their Culture of Death!
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Robertdav298
10/4/2019 20:55 EST
GOS........true expats living in the RP are promoting from afar their political views, nothing wrong with that is there? Most expats have TV and watch the news, so they are not totally removed from the mothership.
I would say a very high percentage of the American expats living in the RP that are retired, living on their pensions and SS are here mainly because their quality of life is higher here than most places in the US. Our pension goes further and our health is better because of the weather and most of all the scenery is a whole lot better.
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surfingcebu
10/4/2019 21:26 EST
Robert, I think your right. Pensions go further. But another big factor- culture. Things are falling apart in anti- male , anti - white America .... Diversity dilution you know . Dito for Canada . Much less swimming upstream in the RP for most.
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LarryKar
10/4/2019 23:15 EST
Robert: Amen on this one. I don't know of one expat that lives here because they hate the USA. We live here because on sometimes limited pensions we can live a decent standard. Plus the weather, health, and yes the scenery. Cases in point an old friend back home in the USA posted on FB over his shock upon going to the drug store for his inhaler and finding out it was $400. Same one I use and here pay equivalent of $15.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 23:19 EST
darkfader24 Just listen to the vile posts directed at me on this Forum, the FIX news vile reporting, the DT running dogs vile lies and distortions of truth. The host of intelligence agencies and the Inspector general are all making vile lies? You are more intelligent than to believe that. There are sound medical reasons for terminating a pregnancy. The life of a mother who can produce more babies is worth saving. Unwanted pregnancies are doomed children. That is a fact well established in early childhood development psychology, my focus in University. Wade vs. Roe established the rights of the mother by individuals who are much better informed and educated than you or I. I bear the scars of an unwanted pregnancy. Take it from me. If you are unwanted and unloved as a child it is a terrible life long burden to overcome. Some do though, myself included. I believe an unwanted pregnancy of a healthy baby should be carried to full term and, then, immediately & permanently placed within in 2 months of birth. Drug addicted babies going through withdrawal need to be removed from their drug addicted mother and placed in a supportive and loving environment with parental substitutes than can cope with their constant agitation and screaming until drug withdrawal has completed its course. Infants bounced from one placement to the next in the first 24 months of life are unable to form attachments permanently. They have little or no capacity to soothe themselves. If child removals are done after three years, there is hope. I witnessed the permanently damaged for 17 years in a maximum security psychiatric hospital. No one wants a life like that.
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Goslig
10/4/2019 23:35 EST
Robertdav298 I don’t disagree with posts from expats who live here (or primarily live here) or who plan to come here. I think some forum members, who are only living in the US, should not be allowed dominate the information stream with their vile personal political bias, swear words, and harass expats, like myself, who live here permanently and have useful information to contribute about the purpose of this forum which is NOT the re-election of DT . I don’t mind some political discussions that are respectful. Most aren’t, they are just people living in glass houses throwing stones. I don’t mind our discussion or mine with DarkFadet. But the Right Wing extremists living in the US that spew a constant stream of horse feathers can’t even regurgitate FIX news lies. They only do personal attacks daily. I’m just waiting until after the articles of impeachment of DT and the election of a new president that does not have a personality and thought disorder. Let all the people speak. May the best man win.
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Morgacj2004
10/4/2019 23:47 EST
Godlig do you even understand how an article of impeachment works? Even if the house votes for impeachment the Senate NEVER WILL. The senate majority leader Lott is a republican. You are wasting your breath with all of this nonsense.
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Goslig
10/5/2019 00:24 EST
Morgacj2004 Finally a question to me not intended to be a vile insult. I am fully aware the an Article of Impeachment is voted on in the House. Currently, there is only an Impeachment Inquiry uncovering a lot of damning information about DT. If the House votes to impeach by a majority, the Senate,!then, decides on whether an Impeachment trial is to be conducted. I am well aware of the Republican majority in the Senate. I support the Inquiry because it is a form of public censure of DT breaching his oath of office. All his dirty laundry needs to be hung out for public display. It doesn’t matter that much if the Senate tries him and finds him guilty. At this point, it is too much to hope for that the Republican Party would be honest. I support the process even if it does not succeed since the majority of Americans disapprove of DT.
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catabisis
10/5/2019 00:35 EST
I am a moderate conservative if I have to present a label here. It slays me to hear Republicans take a holier-than-thou position about abortion. Republicans had several opportunities to overturn Roe vs. Wade during the periods when they controlled the house and Senate. They have a conservative majority on the Supreme Court and still nothing. Even during the Reagan/Moral Majority year’s they didn’t do it. Republican politicians pimp their electorate about abortion and keep them riled for money and votes just as the Democrat party pimp black and other minority voters into believing the GOP is an exclusively rich white man’s club full of fascists, when nothing is farther from the truth. Anyone studying politics outside of CNN and Fox News understands the U.S. is an oligarchy and Police/Surveillance State sanctioned by both parties. Democrats don’t bother to mention that 2/3rds of Fortune 500 companies are registered or headquartered in Biden’s State of Delaware. The reason being, the Democrats are in the same back pockets as the Republicans. These people on both sides have one ideal. It is to raise money and profit to retain their power. While doing so, they manipulate people such as those debating on this thread about the virtues of their party that doesn’t even exist..
The economic engine of the U.S. is governed by neoliberalism and both parties embrace it with open arms and have absolutely no intention of changing any of it.
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catabisis
10/5/2019 02:55 EST
Here is something to think about.
“ Every historical culture from ancient Greece, Rome, Imperial France, (Marquis De Sade), has had an explosion of open and public homosexuality before that culture collapsed. The creation of all strong nations or peoples begins with common characteristics, (Will Durant) such as duty, rigid discipline, work, and common religious ethics which produce in that society industry, prosperity, and wealth. That very wealth creates ease, entertainment, and luxury; and that luxury eventually leads to sloth, decadence, and a cultural downfall. To acquiesce to tolerance is necessary, but to blindly remain ignorant is not. One should understand why North American culture no longer engenders respect, or appeals to the common man. ( It no longer adheres to the 'Living Word', the Bible.) “
I would question whether the lack of Bible/faith in and of itself is responsible for the disintegration of Western culture. I would guess it has more to do with the lack of commonality between sects, races, and ethnicities. The first step to bring down opposition it to cause divisions in a society. Marxists are blamed from the opposition and so are fascists from the other side. I believe it is the super rich and their political minions keeping everyone stirred up and divided. When the masses are divided, they are then controlled.
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tlallen59
10/5/2019 05:17 EST
Goslig, here is the dirty laundry that the dems are trying to cover up because they are guilty of doing what they accuse the President of doing. It's all a smoke screen. You seem like an intelligent guy read it with a open mind. These are documents not here say and innuendo. https://www.scribd.com/user/259237201/JohnSolomon
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Goslig
10/5/2019 06:45 EST
tlallen59 Which came first? The Trump posse trying to cover up his wrong doing blaming the Democrats for doing it, OR The anti- Trump posse revealing the extraordinary wrong doing of Trump without prima facia evidence? It’s all about making the other person look wrong so you look right (or at least claim probable deniability). Let it all shake itself out. Reveal everything. Label the fake/fix cover ups and highlight the TRUTH. Put it to a vote. Any bets that Trump’s going to loose or win yet? I appreciate your decorum of debate that is free of vile name calling. I fully realise that 42% of Americans believe anything Trump says. That doesn’t bother me. In Canada, most white Canadians I met disliked the indigenous people. Thought they got too much of a free ride. Of course their land was stolen from them and they were massacred by the white invaders and neighbouring tribes. All indigenous Canadians hate white people with good reason. I mention this to point out that it doesn’t matter who the parties are. The problem is the same. It is probably why, someday, communism will reign supreme over the world God Forbid.
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Robertdav298
10/5/2019 07:44 EST
Guys, I think the pre-election collusion came first with Hilary/CNN and the dems trying to buy and election and had a plan B that also failed.
GOS.......MAYOR RUDY.......has opened a big can of whoop ass......yeah I agree, lets just wait until the smoke clears on this one......it is gonna be ugly I am afraid!
What bothers me the most is that the world is watching as we hangout our dirty laundry.......AGAIN.
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Robertdav298
10/5/2019 07:57 EST
Larry, I also have a friend that uses Ventolin and pays 560ph at Rose pharm.
I have so many retired military friends that live here for many different reasons but one thing they all have in common is the medical benefits and the peso/dollar rate.
Many of my friends that live in Singapore, mostly Navy are condsidering the RP because they barely survive on their pensions.
I read so many complaints about the RP and yes I complain as well but when it all shakes down its home for many of us.
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Robertdav298
10/5/2019 08:09 EST
Surf.....agreed pensions go alot further and cultures indeed play a big part why so many expats embrace the Filipino way of life.
For me it is like dejavu i.e going back in time to the late sixties......I remember when sort of thing.......example.....when I go to shell and get gas......they pump it for me, they clean my windows, put air in my tires i.e. full service.
Do they do that in Canada......I am thinking no? Oh by the way I tip the guy 50ph and he is delighted as he smiles and walks away.
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Robertdav298
10/5/2019 08:13 EST
Morgac....the media and the DEMS were talking about impeachment 2 days after the 2016 election.
Like I said earlier Uncle Rudy has opened a big can of whoop ass.......the other shoe is about to fall.
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Goslig
10/5/2019 08:47 EST
catabisis You do not need a bible to know right from wrong. What you need is good moral and truthful role models and education. You also need cognitive development and life experience. Bible thumping may work for some, but is meaningless to me. I believe in a collective unconscious where the right thing to do is clearly defined. It is what brings dignity to your soul. Have you ever experienced the joy of saving a life. I have never raised my hand in anger against anyone. I have used other methods to bring justice to wrong doers, but only when absolutely necessary. I believe people can change for the better without punishment as long as they have an inner life that is loving and kind.
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tlallen59
10/5/2019 09:48 EST
Goslig- I prefer facts over name calling.
Fact: Clinton cheated just ask Sanders. She also was given questions to a debate by Donna Belize after she won the nomination.
The DNC paid for foreign documents (Steel dossier) to try and change an election. That document was used to obtain a warrant to spy on her opponent. They sent people to the Ukraine to dig up dirt on there opponent.
Fact: Hillary Clinton violated the espionage act with a rogue server used for state department business. She obstructed justice by destroying subpoenaed documents with bleach bit and hammering cell phones. Her husband pulled strings to get her out of it with the department of justice on the tarmac in Phoenix.
Fact: The Mueller report found Trump committed no crime. If he had it would have recommended indictment.
And last but not least because I'm pressed for time,
FACT: The whistle blower complaint does not even come close to the transcript of the call. That's why Schiff read into the congressional record fabricated crap and so it could be played on the evening news to try to get the American people on there side. The president is not perfect but he is clearly being railroaded. The Senate will not convict so this is all aimed at the next election and to try to calm the base. Ask yourself why it has not been brought to the floor of the house for a vote. Also he is allowed to investigate corruption in the government with foreign countries and there are treaties with said governments covering this.
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mattinnorfolk
10/5/2019 11:19 EST
Thanks Tallen for finally a factual response. One thing being left out of the conversation about the release is the bashing of Trump and the Ukraine president about Merkel and the lack of funding by Germany on military aid and him them trying to get more. They are the third largest contributor after the USA and EU, but refuse that any of their aid go for military purposes. They are no doubt frightened Putin will turn the gas pump off one cold winter. Let us see how the IG report, the 2016 investigation by Barr and the Attorney in Connecticut as well , and Ukraine play out and let all the chips fall where they may. I am much less concerned about corruption in the Ukraine or any other country, as I am about it in Washington on both parties. Let us be clear this impeachment has nothing to do with Ukraine, but has everything to do with two things. The first item is they want to hopefully get to them, before Barr and the IG get to Obama's rogue outfit and at least soil Trump as much as possible. They know they cannot win on impeachment, but the Republicans have many more open seats in just red, or purple states this election cycle. The Dems have virtually no vulnerable seats. The second objective is all Dem candidates have pledged to get rid of the Trump tax plan, ad dramatically hike rates on individuals and corporations. By weakening Trump's hand in foreign negotiations he will unlikely reach any agreement on tariff's going forward. If corporations hold back spending over fear of Socialism, and no tariffs our reached soon, it is highly likely we will be in a recession. They will blame Trump and say capitalism is a failure and why we need socialism as they ran the economy off the road again. They are happy to throw the little guy off a cliff with higher unemployment, and worst wages to achieve power. They truly have a disdain for lower income Americans and people of color as their policies have been most destructive to both economically. I have 4 children that are 39, 37, 26, and 24 years old. They have never experienced a healthy economy and are now for the first time seeing raises and companies competing for their labor. Bill Clinton was the last great economy, and likely the last Democrat Capitalist ever. We have two generations that have never seen a vibrant growing economy and unemployment at a 50 year low. They certainly did not learn about capitalism in high school or in college, only how it has failed their generation. If Trump shows them how successful it can work done correctly, he potentially will be FDR to these generations and wreck the Democrats for the next 50 years. We will have at least one seat if Trump wins as Thomas will retire so he can appoint his successor, and there potentially could be more. When you add it all up we are in for a wild ride. I am happy for discussion on ideas and thoughts, but the personal insults on this thread is incredibly juvenile, disrespectful and uncalled for.. I voted for Trump not because I liked him, but I look at actions and not words. I loved how President Obama spoke and he said many of the right words, but it's some of his policies I didn't like. The Republicans have many failures and especially health care, gay rights, and will lose voters on abortion and gun reforms. Who amongst us doesn't have gay friends, family members, or know people that have had abortions. My closest friend was saved by Obama care, and I know its not perfect, but we need healthcare and other issues badly. Get you asses to work in Washington and start by working on turn limits! Sorry for the length and my inner city school grammar.
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Morgacj2004
10/5/2019 12:28 EST
As a fiscal conservative I tend to lean more liberal on social policies so I agree with most of what you said. I voted Libertarian last election but will vote for DT over any of the current Democratic candidates. I don’t care for Trump as a person but I agree with a lot of his policies. The Democratic Party which I used to belong to is now a big failure and does nothing but obstruct as their own ideas are so far left of the average American.
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Morgacj2004
10/5/2019 12:35 EST
Yes that is true. That has been the Demo plan from day one. Obstruct obstruct obstruct.
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Morgacj2004
10/5/2019 12:41 EST
Exactly Catabisis that is why I usually vote Libertarian. Both parties are in it to get re-elected at any cost. We need term limits. Also Roe V Wade will not be overturned although many states have and will continue to make it difficult to get abortions. With the morning after pill it really should be a mute issue in a lot of cases.
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catabisis
10/5/2019 19:48 EST
Goslig, whether one follows the Bible, or not, which I do not, in a society it creates commonality, and therefore, cohesion. Without something to hold ourselves accountable to that is higher than we humans, who then determines right from wrong? From your view, really, you would hold no more of a right over me as a fellow human being than I to you. That is why secular thinking never works for a society. The push for diversity is a perfect example. It creates conflict as one set of thought collides with another. Eventually, one’s rights become determined by the end of a gun.................
Catabisis You do not need a bible to know right from wrong. What you need is good moral and truthful role models and education. You also need cognitive development and life experience. Bible thumping may work for some, but is meaningless to me. I believe in a collective unconscious where the right thing to do is clearly defined. It is what brings dignity to your soul. Have you ever experienced the joy of saving a life. I have never raised my hand in anger against anyone. I have used other methods to bring justice to wrong doers, but only when absolutely necessary. I believe people can change for the better without punishment as long as they have an inner life that is loving and kind.
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surfingcebu
10/5/2019 21:36 EST
Catabis - true , cohesion in society is huge, usually in the form of religion or ideals in Nationalism and so forth. You can see the fractured society in the west . Very good point you make . Good point really, we over look cohesiveness in our society. Very important.
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catabisis
10/5/2019 23:10 EST
Goslig, you said you believe in a collective unconscious where the right thing to do is clearly defined. It is what brings dignity to your soul.
Again, who defines it? Philosophers? They can’t even agree what is Truth. Psychologists? Sociologists? Political thinkers? They have similar track records as discordant philosophers. Nazis had a collective, unconsciousness about what they were doing and collectively believed it brought dignity to the souls of Germans and to Germany. Especially after their dignity was stripped after WWl, which led to the rise of Nazism in the first place. Gheghas Khan and his crew thought the same thing. As did any other invader and despot throughout history.
Obviously, the writer of the passage is Christian, so he would use the Bible as his message that it’s use would be the better path. But the message I posted, as a whole, implies that a society needs a direction lead by an entity that all, or the majority, are on the same or similar page.
That can’t happen if everyone subscribed to your logic, which is based upon relativism. It always fails, Just as historian Will Durant points out and proves in some of his other writings about past societies and civilizations.
The founding fathers also understood. It is why they included a God, any God, into the Bill of Rights. They understood relativism. Those well-read men knew if they did not include in that document that there is something higher than all of us, then Man would be left to his own devices, and that never turns out well. There will always be someone who wants it all and will fight to get it in your Utopian ideal..........Catabisis. You do not need a bible to know right from wrong. What you need is good moral and truthful role models and education. You also need cognitive development and life experience. Bible thumping may work for some, but is meaningless to me. I believe in a collective unconscious where the right thing to do is clearly defined. It is what brings dignity to your soul. Have you ever experienced the joy of saving a life. I have never raised my hand in anger against anyone. I have used other methods to bring justice to wrong doers, but only when absolutely necessary. I believe people can change for the better without punishment as long as they have an inner life that is loving and kind.
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Goslig
10/6/2019 06:42 EST
Morgacj2004 As a fiscal conservative, you and I can agree on that. So what is your opinion of the massive growth in the deficit during the golden age of the US economy? Isn’t this the time to reduce the deficit? It is 22 trillion and has risen 2 trillion since Trump took office. Consumer debt reached 13.3 trillion in 2018. There is a 58 percent chance of the economy being in a recession by mid-2020, and a 77 percent chance of a recession beginning in the next 24 months. Consumer spending that drives the GNP will slow down dramatically to keep up with rising interest rates. All the media attention is focused on the actual recording of Trump’s “favour” being leveraged with the Ukraine. Meanwhile the US financial ship is sinking. As for real challengers to Trump, there is only one that can destroy him. Michelle Obama.
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gelynch52ph
10/6/2019 09:47 EST
It has taken me a bit to start reading all these posts, but this one strikes me as odd. Who are those..."running around with masks on throwing concrete and beating innocent people in the streets?"
Who is "...free sh#t for everybody?"
Which party "...a approval rating of 35% among the black community?"
Most certainly the left leaning party in America isn't doing any of those things. However, many on the right ARE "throwing concrete and beating innocent people in the streets."
The Mango Mussolini will be impeached shortly after Congress returns from recess and for the next year we will have a religious nut job in the White House because it now appears that even the Moscow Mitch led cabal in the Senate is seeing the light and will convict once the House sends the impeachment over for trial.
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Goslig
10/6/2019 10:16 EST
catabisis The collective unconscious is an inherited collection of knowledge and images that every human being and other mammals have at birth. People are unaware of the items contained in their collective unconscious. The mother - child relationship is an example, the unselfish impulse to help another in need. saving a drowning victim, rescuing someone from a fire. There are many examples. These aren’t things you learn from reading the bible. They come naturally to you unless you suffer from a mental disorder like narcissism, sociopathy, psychopathy or other disorders where the is no cognition of feelings. Giving food to a starving person, helping someone, these are all part of the collective unconscious. Other mammals display this. My favourite example comes from Africa where slavers were whipping a small girl left alone on a ranch to make submit to going with them to be a slave. Some Lions nearby heard her cries. They attacked the slavers and drive them off standing guard over the child until her parents returned. The Lions felt the little girls pain.
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Morgacj2004
10/6/2019 11:15 EST
I don’t know where you get your info gely, but Congress is not in recess and the senate majority leader TL was just on National Media saying there was no way DT would ever be impeached on his watch. It would take 67 senators to do it. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. By the way the Demos are the free sh#t for everybody party and their left wing protesters are just as bad as the Right wing protesters. Look at the recent protest in Portland OR and other cities. Please don’t be one of the shills feeding into the Hollywood led left wing media feeding frenzy.
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Morgacj2004
10/6/2019 11:21 EST
Michelle Obama is not a candidate. It will most likely be Warren or Sanders. The old saying also applies in that you sometimes need to spend money to make money. The money for strengthening the border, changing the tax code and other issues was needed. Neither party has done anything to dramatically reduce the deficit. Until the US no longer needs to be the worlds policeman the deficit will increase mainly due to military spending.
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mattinnorfolk
10/6/2019 11:41 EST
Any president to try to reduce the deficit in their first term, will be a one term president. And frankly we needed a corporate tax cuts to be competitive, I just do not like the way did they change the tax code I think people that are very affluent should pay ordinary income tax rates after a certain level on their capital gains and their dividends.
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Goslig
10/6/2019 12:26 EST
Morgacj2004 The horse feathers are going in both directions, but the biggest pile of all comes out of DT’s mouth.
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Goslig
10/6/2019 12:32 EST
Morgacj2004 Just wait. MO is not a candidate right now, that is right. She’s just waiting until the dems finish their circular firing squad. Elizabeth Warren is too much of a promotional motivational speaker. Biden is weird, Bernie is crazy... they need a real straight shooter. I’m hoping MO jumps in.
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phonedoctor1
10/6/2019 17:16 EST
dude, the dems are in charge now but it still must go thru the senate, which will never happen, they are just
doing this so they do not have to legislate at all
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mattinnorfolk
10/6/2019 17:57 EST
Phone dock, I believe this is really only a play to shut down the US economy and have Trump take the blame for the recession next year. As the Dema celebrate Americans getting laid off. He is now a vulnerable president, so no country will negotiate tariffs, and all Democratic candidates have pledged to reversed his tax plan and increase corporate taxes dramatically. If you were a corporation would you spend new money right now on expanding or growing your business? Of course not, so this will lead to a recession, and people will not put two into together as always and Trump will get blamed for throwing the economy into a recession.
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mattinnorfolk
10/6/2019 18:00 EST
The Democrats have a fundamental belief that a check signed by the United States government to a person, is better than a check signed by a private employer.
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Robertdav298
10/6/2019 20:14 EST
OMG........Michelle Obama, please tell me what he resume would be?
What has this obama.....woman ever done except bas mouth"white people".
GOS.......I think you fell off the pineapple truck on this one........it's ok you can easily jump on the Trump train.....there is enough room for you.....LOL
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Robertdav298
10/6/2019 20:21 EST
Morgac, if I told you there was a war where the country was divided i.e. brother against brother, father against son.......you would most likely say it was the "civil war".
Could one deduce that going back in history and looking at the similarity of the CW and the conflicts of our country today we definitely draw a parallel?
Remember the DEMS want to take away our guns, they want to take away our SS, they want full term abortion and they want open borders.
At some point the American people are going to revolt especially if we have someone like EW or Uncle Joe.
Thoughts?
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LarryKar
10/6/2019 20:51 EST
Robert: "Remember the DEMS want to take away our guns, they want to take away our SS, they want full term abortion and they want open borders." Is this part of that if you keep telling a lie eventually it will be believed stuff? The vast majority of my friends back home identify as Democrats and nobody wants any of those things. So sad that you listen to that absolute rubbish.
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catabisis
10/6/2019 21:54 EST
MattinNorfolk, Are you from Norfolk, Virginia? Both sides play the Let’s Hope The Opposition President Fails. You may recall Rush Limbaugh saying he hopes Obama fails...
Phone dock, I believe this is really only a play to shut down the US economy and have Trump take the blame for the recession next year. As the Dema celebrate Americans getting laid off. He is now a vulnerable president, so no country will negotiate tariffs, and all Democratic candidates have pledged to reversed his tax plan and increase corporate taxes dramatically. If you were a corporation would you spend new money right now on expanding or growing your business? Of course not, so this will lead to a recession, and people will not put two into together as always and Trump will get blamed for throwing the economy into a recession.
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Morgacj2004
10/6/2019 22:44 EST
Robert America is almost evenly divided. Luckily most people still want to resolve matters peacefully. There are exceptions but it is a country of law and order for the most part.
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 00:52 EST
Larry........yes it is sad and I am glad that your friends back home do not believe that crap.....nor do I BUT if you read and listen to BETO, EW, Julian Castro and weekend at Bernies these are what they advocate.......just read what AOC says.....she is the FACE of the DEM PARTY......as Pelosi is speaker in name only.......AGREE?
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 01:11 EST
MORGAC, I used to believe as use do that we are a nation of law and order but the events over the past couple of years have changed my mind. I now believe that our Police are sitting ducks because their is no respect for the men in blue, especially the younger generation.
Just look what continues to happen in cities like Chicago, LA, Baltimore, Portland, Houston and most recently NEW YORK.
I saw a program with police of NY and they were asked if they had the choice would they volunteer again and the answer was emphatically NO!
One reason was the so called mayor of NY city does have their back and does not respect the uniform.
I think this speaks volumes for the liberal party today.
Do you think the left RESPECTS the President of the US? Our teens watch the news, read FB, they see the kind of manutia that is reported everyday.
In your lifetime people had respect for elders, clergymen, policemen, teachers, doctors and servicemen. Do you see that same kind of respect in the US today?
That is the very reason why I have so much respect for the culture and people in the RP, for me it is like going back to a happier time.
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 01:31 EST
CATABIS, normally I do not agree with your posts but in this case you are spot on.
Think about it, HC said today that DT is not a real president i.e illegitimate......that has been the mindset of the DEM PARTY ever since the 2016 election. They will obstruct and resist DT at all costs and will not give up until this illegitimate President is impeached.
They will sell America out financially as long as DT does not succeed. They do not care about the people and the economy at all, They are like a blood hound on a rabbit trail.
In spite of the obstruction to date, the middle class wages have gone up over 5k, unemloyment is at a 50 year low. Now I know there are libs on this site that will look past all of the good and only point out things like the national debt and the immigration problems.....blah.....blah!
One last thing, I want to say that I am not a radical right winger what I am is a conservative and for me right now DT is a hell of alot better than anything the other party has to offer. If I were in VEGAS I would put my money on RED.
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LRod50
10/7/2019 03:42 EST
You must have me mixed up with someone else, but I agree with everything you said.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 07:31 EST
mattinnorfolk That is a bunch of FIX news horse feathers. Trump raised the deficit 2 trillion since taking office. The national debt is 22 trillion the highest level in history. When the economy is flush you are supposed to be paying down the deficit. Trump’s tariff wars are bringing on the recession. Interest rates will rise. Americans are 13 trillion in debt. Money will be tight. Consumer spending will drop reducing the GNP. The recession w is being caused by the tariff wars. Who pays the tariff, US companies. Markets are lost. Get the bull out of the China shop.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 07:57 EST
Robertdav298 Michael Moore would disagree with you. She is a beloved American capable of destroying Trump. That’s her best qualification. There are many more.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 08:00 EST
Robertdav298 There you go again with your wild exaggeration. The Democrats want to take away military assault rifles just like Australia did to bring down the body count. Make sense?
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Goslig
10/7/2019 09:21 EST
Robertdav298. I don’t disagree, but your zealous presentation sometimes mischaracterises places. I grew up in a peaceful Chicago before guns came into the Ghetto sparked by a Chicago police massacre of Black Panthers. Nonprofit news outlet The Trace released a report showing homicide rates per 100,000 residents in major U.S. cities over the past five years, finding that Chicago is nowhere near the top of the list. Between 2010 and 2015, the Windy City had 16.4 murders per 100,000 residents while St. Louis and New Orleans had homicide rates far higher on average. While the absolute numbers certainly show Chicago has a massive problem on its hands, this metric does mitigate the risk factor to some extent, showing that many other large U.S. cities are far more violent.
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LovePhilly
10/7/2019 11:18 EST
On guns...nobody will ever come to West Virginia and try to take our guns. Believe what you want, it will never happen.
This whole gun thing is stupid to talk about. Almost all gun deaths in America occur in about five cites and almost all with hand guns. Deaths with rifles were less that with baseball bats last year. So get rid of baseball bats. Better yet, over 60.000 die on Americas highways each year. Get rid of cars!
On this impeachment crap, I think its a Wag the Dog to keep our attention off of something else. I'm just not sure what it is yet.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 20:02 EST
LovePhilly. You should stop believing and spreading GOP propaganda. As of September 24, 2019, 334 mass shootings have occurred in 2019. This averages 1.24 mass shootings per day. In these shootings, 1,347 people were injured and 377 died, for a total of 1,684 victims.
This does not include injured victims that survive. This is a conservative measure of the problem, as many rampages with fewer
There were 340 US mass shootings in 2018, which means there were nearly as many shootings as days in the year.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 20:05 EST
All this means is a permit regulatory system to buy and carry guns and military automatic assault weapons banned.
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 20:06 EST
GOS.....I agree with the violent city comment, GOD knows there are so many to list.
My theory on guns is this, guns do not kill, people kill! I think yearly stats will show that more people die in car crashes each year than by guns and yet know one is talking about removing cars. Although with the "green new deal" that may change.
I agree that there is no need for AR's in our society.
However, think of this, lets say we ban AR and all semi-automatic weapons. What will that do? It will drive up the price for these illegal weapons and guess what if a person really wants to get one of these banned weapons they will (black market)
Another thing to consider and probably the most revelant given our current situation with borders is weapons being smuggled in each day by the cartels. These weapons along with drugs is "big business" and I can tell you first hand there are politicians making lots money at our expense.
These politicians will stand up before the American people and grandstand about how we need gun and drug control as their pocket book is overflowing with drug and weapon money.
So do not be so gullible and believe that congree will actually pass legislation that hurts their wallet, it ain't gonna happen.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 20:11 EST
Robertdav298 Regarding this topic, you have a problem for every solution.
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 20:12 EST
GOS,,,,,OMG.......you said it yourself, who is Michael Moore than a Hollywood fanatic movie maker......ever seen on of his movies?
My 11 year old daughter is more qualified, she speaks three languages fluently.
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Morgacj2004
10/7/2019 20:15 EST
According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 279 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of August 31 2019 A shooting incident that killed at least five people and wounded 21 in West Texas marked the 279th incident so far this year.
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Robertdav298
10/7/2019 22:16 EST
GOS......well that is life isn't it, for every solution....there is indeed numerous problems.
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Goslig
10/7/2019 23:45 EST
Morg since Sandy Hook when the US said “never again” there have been 2,249 mass shootings . Banning military assault rifles using high velocity ammunition that have incredible penetrating power and can go through concrete walls is necessary. Australia did it after only one mass shooting. Every country in the world has gun ownership, especially Switzerland where nothing like this has ever happened. Don’t further endanger innocent Americans by whining about some military assault weapons being banned.
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gelynch52ph
10/8/2019 00:21 EST
Clinton had a Rhodes Scholarship, which was a legitimate deferment. Obama had no obligation to serve because there was no war involving a draft. That makes him the same as one of my brothers and all 5 of my sisters and the vast majority of Americans.
Your "but what about" does not hold water.
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gelynch52ph
10/8/2019 00:24 EST
The problem with Bush (AKA The Shrub) is that he was AWOL for most of his reserve time and I consider him to be a draft dodger as a result of that AWOL behavior.
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tlallen59
10/8/2019 05:20 EST
Right on Lovephilly. Criminals are criminals because they don't follow laws, especially gun laws. My dad had a assault weapon it was called a belt.
And you don't pay down the deficit, you spend less. Obama added more to the national debt than all the presidents of the past combined! We will see what it looks like after 8 years of Trump. The house holds the purse strings and sends a bunch of crap to the president to sign. If he shuts the government down by not sighing he's the bad guy. If he signs he's the bad guy. What do you think is going to happen when you raise the corporate tax rate to 70% and tax the wealthy to death to pay for free crap. And maybe we are tired of China and other countries steeling us blind. A lot of countries have come around and China will as well sooner or later. America makes the world go round financially that's why everything is bought and sold in US dollars.
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Goslig
10/8/2019 06:02 EST
tlallen59 Under President Obama's eight years, the national debt increased 100%, from US$10 trillion to $20 trillion, although the economic stimulus following the 2008 financial crisis added quite an early boost to the economy. That’s how America got the great economy we have today. You can’t seem to see the forrest through the trees. Tax cuts continue to add to the burden. That affect was heightened by the passage of President Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017, which cut both corporate and individual taxes. Wars with Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan Primarily have cost the U.S. $5.9 Trillion since 2001. Aimed at providing financial security to the retired and disabled, total Social Security and other expenditures are $1 trillion.. The portion of the national budget that is allocated for military-related expenditures is currently $1.1 trillion. Your comment relies on over simplification. When the times are flush, you pay down the deficit (not increase it). During a recession, you need to lower interest rates, sell treasury bonds and spend money that will increase your deficit. If Obama hadn’t done that America would still be in recession. You’re mixing your politics up with economic theory and practice.
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Goslig
10/8/2019 06:04 EST
Robertdav298 You could use my life as an example of that especially right now.
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LovePhilly
10/8/2019 09:57 EST
Here are some "Assault Rifle" facts:
In 2016, (in the U.S.) there were approximately:
• 40,000 motor vehicle-related deaths
• 39,000 people firearm-related deaths
• 64,000 people drug overdose-related deaths
From 2007 through 2017 those killed with long guns (of all types) average 439 per year (out of 350,000,000).
Nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle.
In any given year, for every person murdered with a rifle, there are;
15 murdered with handguns,
1.7 with hands or fists, and
1.2 with blunt instruments.
In fact, homicides with any sort of rifle represent a mere 3.2 percent of all homicides on average over the past decade.
Given that the FBI statistics pertain to all rifles, the homicide frequency of “assault-style” rifles like the AR-15 is necessarily lesser still, as such firearms compose a fraction of all the rifles used in crime.
According to a New York Times analysis, since 2007, at least “173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s.”
That’s 173 over a span of a decade, with an average of 17 homicides per year.
Over 60% of all firearm deaths are suicide and an additional fraction are justified police shootings and accidents.
Sources include but are not limited to:
https://www.centeronaddiction.org/the-buzz-blog/we-asked-you-answered-did-guns-car-crashes-or-drug-overdoses-kill-more-people-2017?
gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7v6o_-GM5QIVSdyGCh0ScA6QEAAYASAAEgJVWPD_BwE
https://fee.org/articles/are-ar-15-rifles-a-public-safety-threat-heres-what-the-data-say/
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tlallen59
10/8/2019 12:02 EST
Thanks Lovephilly I work a lot and don't have the time to research stuff to clarify postings.
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LovePhilly
10/8/2019 15:54 EST
Sure Allen! It's just that on the rare occasion it DOES happen, the media is everywhere and tells the story for 3 weeks making it all seem more relevant than it is.
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Robertdav298
10/9/2019 00:21 EST
Thanks Philly.....good stuff....appreciate!
GOS.......concerning the "national debt" politicians are only concerned about the debt when things are not going as they planned or they are having trouble getting their favors approved.
If you did a deep dive and looked where the bulk of the money was owed and looked at where we could payoff some debt my guess is that you would find that we are paying more out thna we take in........for example......look how much the governement spends each month/year on illegal immigrants and welfare recipients? What if we were cut off all foreign aide?
The government spends approximately 70K on each illegal immigrant multiply that by how many there are, the figure is mind boggling......want to payoff the debt......then submit a plan to stop this atrocities. How about the money we send to the middle east annually?
These are just two that I thought of, I am sure there are many more.
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Goslig
10/9/2019 04:03 EST
Robertdav298. That’s not much when you consider that Trump has been spending 21 million a month at his golf courses. He’s a billionaire supposedly, but taxpayers pay that bill.
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mootpoint20
10/11/2019 14:53 EST
Because the word "Bill" is in the word billionaire, does not mean it is relevant to any linear thread of thought about 'golf-courses'. This is absurd. I'm willing to listen to arguments, but oversight and maturity must be applied or governed here to continue any thread of logic or even my involvement. (Enough said)
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LovePhilly
10/11/2019 16:57 EST
Owning language and labels...the Dems strategy.
If for example, if I oppose abortion but promote all other aspects of female health provided by the tax dollar funded organization "Planned Parenthood Federation of America", they say I oppose the organization and all other aspects of it. I promote free birth control. I promote tax payer funded breast exams. I promote counseling. They will label ME anti woman because I don't want my money used to kill babies. In truth, they are all about abortion. Those clinics are able to keep fed money for all other aspects of the program but are instead choosing to shut down, which to me indicates they don't give a crap about women's health. Just about killing babies.
Here's another....
I don't care about how anyone chooses to live their life but it's not up to me to pay for it! The Dem's have lost their minds! Here is what some of them are promising:
Pete butt lover and Booker, Biden, Warren.. well all of them:
Establish transgender ideology as law and make illegal any complimentary differences between men and women.
Promote queer status in the elementary schools.
Allow queers to donate blood again.
Make sure some of our Military Generals are queers.
Stop giving foreign aid to any country that doesn't support homosexuality.
Make sure male queers in prison can stay in the female prisons and vice versa.
Use tax payer money to fund all sex change operations.
Man I could go on but I'm tired. I don't care who is queer but I'm NOT PAYING for it.
It's identity politics. Dems pick every single group and make them a bunch of BS promises.
Look, these people aren't even Democrats anymore. They are so wacko they've lost touch with America's value system. Certainly with mine. They don't have a single chance of winning and I hope they never do.
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mootpoint20
10/13/2019 00:24 EST
The greatest lunacy was indoctrination of elementary children about homosexuality and 'choosing' one's sex. How deranged did public schools become? First they drove out male teachers in elementary, schools, then proceeded to dismantle Judaic-Christian principles and values. Now, there is universal chaos. "Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first drive insane!"--ancient Greek proverb
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Robertdav298
10/13/2019 03:10 EST
LOVE.......OUTSTANDING POST1
QUESTION? What president stopped transgenders from entering the armed forces?
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darkfader24
10/13/2019 03:37 EST
PhoneDoc - They throw out the Bible - even try to stop students from bringing their own Bibles in their backpacks! It's their Right to bring one. And then turn around and demand that students memorize parts of the Koran!! Well, there is certainly an Agenda there. I know that there were MANY Muslims very high up in the Obama Administration. So...... obviously SOMEONE had a hand in this. It's transparent. And the argument I have as to the Bible Vs. The Koran controversy? Our Founding Fathers used the Bible, quotes and principles, when putting our Constitution together, and our Declaration of Independence. They did not use the Koran. America as a Nation, was built on Biblical Principles. Had it been built on Muslim Principles there would be many "Mercy Killings", young Ladies having parts of their reproductive organs sliced and diced (Bastards!!), complete subjugation of Females, stonings, beheadings, Gays thrown off of rooftops to their deaths - we all know the drill.
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Goslig
10/13/2019 05:25 EST
mootpoint20 Between Illinois and Florida, I went to 3 Elementary and 3 Secondary schools. There was never ANY indoctrination except the pledge of allegiance. In Bradenton, Florida my history teacher tried to teach me to be a racist. Sex was never discussed.
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phonedoctor1
10/13/2019 05:40 EST
Darkfader;
YES i am sure we would be a very different nation. yet with their invasion that our last potus did over 50,000 instilled in major cities and surburbs they are planning to take over soon, it scares me, another reason i am moving out of country as soon as my house sells !
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Goslig
10/13/2019 06:27 EST
phonedoctor1 Not sure where in the US that happens. A lot of Muslims in Milwaukee. In Canada, Koran lessons are given in private Muslim schools. But you can get in trouble with the law if you address someone and get their gender wrong. It’s hard to know you should say Ms. when the guy has long hair and a 2 day old growth.
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darkfader24
10/13/2019 08:22 EST
Gosig - I have heard of the teaching of the Quran in years past - in American Public Schools, where Christianity has been all but thrown out. If we're going to have "Separation of Church and State" (not in the Constitution) then it needs to cover all religions. Here are some articles from the web:
https://fortressoffaith.com/how-islam-is-being-introduced-into-our-public-schools/
https://ncac.org/resource/islam-indoctrination-or-education-a-timeline
https://www.tfp.org/is-islam-coming-to-a-public-school-near-you/
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LovePhilly
10/13/2019 09:02 EST
So this past week California passed a law that requires colleges to provide abortion drugs.
They also past a law that prohibits the sale of fur coats because wild animals should not be killed for this reason.
Does anybody else see the madness?
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gypsyquokka
10/13/2019 11:35 EST
Philly - WHY is it wrong to you - for California to pass laws that prohibit fur coats and other fur products because they come from wild animals???? Is it not long overdue to protect wild animals, whenever possible before they become extinct? Many decades ago kills were necessary for food supply, BUT today there is NO valid reason to kill the animals, unless they pose a direct threat to peoples in certain areas. Way to California, keep showing the way and "maybe" others will follow.
About your abortion drugs - i did not see that story. Smile
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Morgacj2004
10/13/2019 12:49 EST
California has so many damm laws that even a good attorney would be confused in trying to keep up. Enough already. The US is already over regulated. I come from Alaska where you see fur products everywhere. There are still a lot of wild animals here and most of the people are environmentally sensitive. The two CAN go together believe it or not. Hell we even had PETA tip here trying to stop the world famous Iditarod sled dog races. That did not work out well for them. They left with their tails between their legs.
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darkfader24
10/13/2019 15:32 EST
Gypsy - I don't think Philly thinks it's wrong to protect the wild animals. He's pointing out the irony of us protecting animals - and NOT protecting the innocent unborn at the same time. You don't see the story of the abortion medication requirement? You don't see it because you don't want to see it. I found this within 5 seconds of doing an on-line search:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-becomes-first-state-to-require-access-to-abortion-medication-at-public-colleges/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-will-require-public-colleges-stock-abortion-medication-n1065321
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-11/abortion-medication-california-college-health-centers-legislation
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a35y7e/gavin-newsom-california-public-universities-will-offer-abortion-pills-on-campus-in-2023
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LovePhilly
10/13/2019 19:15 EST
And...for anyone who hasn't used it...Google is your friend. Type anything and it will come up.. You tree loving and wild animal freaks...kill maybe a thousand babies, sew the skin together and let that keep you warm in the winter.
I know..It's sick right? So are you.
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LovePhilly
10/13/2019 19:45 EST
Oh, and just a thought... this thread is of course just casual conversation for all of us and information sharing. It's awesome! It's also very valuable.
If, however, you want to trust someone... how about someone who can fly a fighter jet faster than the speed of sound?
That actually takes a pretty smart and skilled person. That's where I'm putting my money. So, if Robert tells you something, I recommend listening.
I don't really care when and where you went to elementary school
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Robertdav298
10/13/2019 20:39 EST
Dark/Philly, here is a thought, there is a reason why certain groups want to ban the pledge of allegiance in schools, ban prayer, bringing bibles and talking about Christianity. I posted a while ago for those interested to get on YOU TUBE and search for "muslim demograghics". When you read and see the population trends you will have a better understanding of why the "American way of life" you are accustomed to is shrinking.
Did either of you watch DT's speech in Washington over the weekend? He denounced the persecution of Christians and JEWS.
Most people are unaware that their are countries in the world that still capture and torture christians.
I hope and pray that the years I have left I will not witness this in my own country. But there are people that vote for Rshida Talib, Omar ILhan, OAC and others that are against the US, even though they are elected government congress people.
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mootpoint20
10/13/2019 21:51 EST
"I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God..." (This is why it's banned.)
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darkfader24
10/14/2019 00:24 EST
I LOVE AMERICA. Yes, imperfect and sometimes wrong America. She has made many mistakes. There have been cruel and devious people in power at times throughout her history. She rode down my people, RobertDavs' people, and put them on "Reservations". - nice, not awful, concentration camps. Or at least not awful in the sense of a Nazi Camp. Yet she has also had many fine moments. Read the writings of her Founding Fathers. In there you will find the Wisdom of the Ages. Men of Noble Character - notice, I did not say "Perfect Character". We are all sinners and need forgiveness from on High.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry. These are men that I honor and respect. The people of the Continental Congress wrote to King George at great peril of their lives and those that they loved. They sacrificed much, leaving their farms and families to sit in that hot, old building in the sweltering Summer of 1776. They had an IDEA - one that would possibly afford more individual freedom than had ever been experienced before. That's why thousands are storming Her gates trying to get in, not get out.
We have all benefited from this freedom. Freedom of expression and thought, and to learn. Unfortunately, many cynically look back thru the Prism of modern thought and judge these people. But our modern thought came to us on the rails of the very freedom that these people fought and died for. THAT was the point! They had no crystal ball to look into the future and see where modern sensibilities would take us - freedom for women to vote, freedom for the African-Americans. And yet they had enough foresight to imagine that they were laying the bedrock for such things to occur.
Rather than sarcastically claw and tear at the edges of our Flag and Constitution, we should honor those very things which give us the right to express our concerns, and yes, criticisms. But there is a World of difference between Constructive Criticism and Destructive Criticism. One is driven by love, and the other is driven by hate. One builds up and fixes the errors, one merely wants to tear down and destroy. When we act negatively like that we are trying to build ourselves up at others' expense. We are trying to make ourselves to be "Superior" as we judge and criticize.
I LOVE AMERICA. She raised the bar for all freedom loving nations in Europe, the Middle East, and the Far East. These countries have emulated our Constitution, and Democratic Republic. Most people in Human History from the past until now have languished under the Jack Boots of Tyrants and Despots. Yes, America has a very imperfect History - but then I look at every nation on Earth -
and almost always see far uglier, far bloodier Histories. All nations have had slaves. They have had intrigue and murder, torture and war, etc. That does not excuse us, but thankfully I see an America that has tried and persevered to correct it's imperfections. It is a Great Nation with an Amazing People - People from every Country on Earth.
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