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Robertdav298
  1/12/2020 19:52 EST

Hello Guys, thought I would post political thread part dos.

The only thing I would ask or caution you is to be civil.

Debates are good things and we can actually learn from each other.

Also lets leave the RP Politics out of the equation......as we are only guests here

Lastly I would ask NO BASHING the current US PRESIDENT........for now he is in office, like it or not.

You will have a chance to express your feelings in NOVEMBER.

I do have a question though, the UK will be leaving the EU at the end of this month. How will this exit affect the EU and other countries? Will this exit affect the peso/dollar?

Gingert76
  1/13/2020 02:55 EST

So its not 100% that we will eave as it still has to be fully approved and even at the end of the month there are 11 months of "divorce" time to us finally leaving and no one knows what will happen to exchange rates etc as no one has left before.

Tony

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LarryKar
  1/13/2020 03:59 EST

Gingert76 After carefully reading your post the only logical statement I can make is Huh? You need to explain what you are responding too. Especially since you are the first post on this new thread. We all want to help but...

Robertdav298
  1/13/2020 04:34 EST

Tony....so leaving is a good thing or bad thing? Guess it depends on what side of the aisle you sit....huh

LovePhilly
  1/13/2020 04:53 EST

The whole Brexit thing has me confused on many levels. The complexity of trade is beyond me but I hope they get it all worked out.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/13/2020 06:12 EST

I think Brexit is part of a nationalist trend going on. It's easier for politicians to blame others than to try and solve the hard problems in the world. Its support might be wrapped in trade arguments, but I see immigration from the war on Isis being a larger reason.

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Gingert76
  1/13/2020 08:21 EST

I was responding to Brexit as im a UK person.

I voted leave and i fully believe we will be better off out of the EU but there is a lot of scare mongering that has happened as it has taken over 3 years to even get to the point of leaving.

I think we will be a much better and stronger UK once we leave and i think the EU will totally fail with more EU members leaving once we leave but time will tell.

As i said no one knows for sure what will happen and if its for the better or worse but its what the majority voted for and all trade agreements etc are complicated in the EU or out of it but there will be more choice that is for sure.

LarryKar
  1/13/2020 17:46 EST

Gingert76 Apologize for my first post. Yes I understand that now. That's the problem with this latest delay in getting comments posted. I have no opinion on Brexit. Not my neighborhood. Just hope your new PM, who I actually kind of like, does not listen Mr. T. I think your man actually has a soul and normal human emotions.

LovePhilly
  1/13/2020 18:47 EST

So the articles of impeachment are supposed to arrive in the U.S. Senate tomorrow. They held them for so long I don't even think the American public cares anymore.

Robertdav298
  1/13/2020 19:15 EST

Philly, I think this whole charade is play out just as many people predicted.

I see Cory Booker......dropped out.....no surprise there.

Saudi navy killer was an act of terrorism, what I cannot fathom is why in the world were they even in the US IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Training........no way

DavaoDelSur1
  1/13/2020 20:02 EST

Impeachment is the least Trump deserves. This will be in the first paragraph about Trump in any future history book. He can never even state the truth without embellishment . Americans care and deserve decent character in their president. Wanting no foreign influence in our elections is not asking for too much.

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Gingert76
  1/14/2020 05:04 EST

no need to say sorry Larry, i wasnt clear in my first response.

Thanks

Tony

LovePhilly
  1/14/2020 07:31 EST

Robert,

I agree with you as usual on all accounts. We have to be a lot more careful about who we allow into this country. We have Muslims in our House of Representatives right now because immigration got out of control. And yes, that Saudi didn't come here to train.

Robertdav298
  1/14/2020 19:53 EST

DAVAO.......I could not agree more, we do not want ANY country having an input in our elections.

Hopefully, you are not that gullible to believe that UKRAINE did not help HC, are you?

Robertdav298
  1/14/2020 19:56 EST

PHILLY.....spot on and party are they? That is exactly why the dems want open borders.

BUILD THAT BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL :)

LovePhilly
  1/15/2020 11:17 EST

Speaking of borders, Trumps policy's are working! 95% of those that arrive at the southern border are now not being released into our society. DNA testing is proving that these are not the "parents" of the children they are dragging with them. They have stopped paying cartels to sneak them across because they know they won't make it now and won't be able to repay the cartels. The cartels are losing billions now. Most just stopped trying. It's working. Now when labor is needed, employers have to hire Americans and are forced to pay them higher wages.

What American wouldn't be happy about this?

LarryKar
  1/15/2020 17:37 EST

LovePhilly 95% being turned back, magical instant DNA verification, nobody even tries anymore? Wow. Do you have verification from a reputable source or have you been going to Trump Rallies again?

Robertdav298
  1/15/2020 18:56 EST

Larry, I do not care about the percentage.....its just a number. However; it is a deterant and that is what we need.
Wouldn't agree that our immigration system is broken and desperately needs revamped?

Earnestndeavor
  1/16/2020 03:25 EST

Below is a copy and paste of an article I found quite interesting and thought appropriate for the political thread:

“Australian Prime Minister does it again!!
The whole world needs a leader like this!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.”

darkfader24
  1/16/2020 03:49 EST

Earnest - Regarding the Australian PM - YES! YES!! YES!!! Would to God that America would state the same. I have ZERO Problem with Muslims, or any other religion, including Atheism (Yes, it is a Religion - the Worship of Man). Worship or subscribe at will - in Freedom. However, I will never accept anyone attempting to limit the Very Freedoms that they enjoy by bringing in Sharia, Mercy Killings, blowing people up, stabbings, Vans on Sidewalks mowing people down, shootings in Gay Bars, regular Bars, schools, or Churches! Enough already. If they don't like it, as the Good PM said, they need to take their gripping and whining to another country who will greatly benefit from their lack of gratefulness!

LarryKar
  1/16/2020 03:59 EST

Sorry Earnest nice try spreading the hate but FAKE NEWS.
https://www.liveabout.com/australia-prime-minister-tells-muslim-immigrants-adapt-3299387

Robertdav298
  1/16/2020 04:51 EST

WOW.......PLEASE MR. PM forward this letter to DT and our congress

Robertdav298
  1/16/2020 05:14 EST

PHILLY........my opinion.........the US SENATE, should accept the articles of impeachment and documents provided by the house.

1) they should review them as is
2) determine if there is enough evidence that warrants that the Senate move forward with a trial
3) IF NO then immedialely vote to dismiss.
4) If yes then the Senate should use witnesses that were used during the House inquiry.
5) By no means should the Senate do the job of the House, no further testimonies are needed, if Schumer and his band of corrupt DEMS complain about this being unfair, then McConnel should remind them that the House Republicans were not allowed to call any witnesses.
6) After reviewing the Senate should vote.......and be done with this chararde.

Now I am sure that alot of these guys want to supeona SCHIFF, NADLER, PELOSI, WHISLEBLOWER (1 and 2), Hunter and Joe Biden and many others BUT we all know that they are liars and really what would it prove......end results would be the same.

What should happen is that after the dust settles and the congress can go back to doing what the hell they were elected for..

Wait no so fast......now its time for the House ethics committee to review the whole House Impeachment charade, this is where the rubber meets the road, this is where the investigation takes on a whole new look with Republicans going after Pelosi and Schiff.......this is where jail time comes into play.

Well that is just my humble opinion.

LarryKar
  1/16/2020 05:43 EST

Except that the Former PM never said any of that. It was bits and pieces of others words, mostly a Retired USAF guy and falsely attributed to her. Per the fact checkers at Snopes and other sources:
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In the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the U.S. in 2001, opinion pieces expressing anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim viewpoints were rife on the internet, particularly one that eventually came to be attributed to Australia’s then-prime minister Julia Gillard (and, much later, U.S. President Donald Trump):

Australia says NO — This will be the second Time Julia Gillard has done this!

She sure isn’t backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen.

A breath of fresh air to see someone lead.? Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

The whole world needs a leader like this!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard – Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.

Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’

‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese,

Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!’

‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’

This item is a hybrid that combines an introductory reference to statements made by Australian politicians about Muslims following the July 2005 London Tube bombings with an opinion piece about immigrants written by a U.S. Air Force veteran following the September 2001 attacks on the U.S., attributing the entire result to Julia Gillard, who was the Prime Minister of Australia from 2010 to 2013. In fact, none of the statements quoted in the above example was actually made by Prime Minister Gillard.

The first several paragraphs in the example, which include the claim that “Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told to get out of Australia,” are a reference to political debate over the appropriate response to domestic terrorism concerns in Australia in the aftermath of the July 2005 London Tube bombings. That debate took place when John Howard, not Julia Gillard, was prime minister of that country.

Everything in the example from the paragraph beginning with the word ‘Quote:’ onwards is an Australianized version of text lifted from an opinion piece written in 2001 by a U.S. Air Force veteran shortly afer the 9/11 attacks on America and had nothing whatsoever to do with Australia or Julia Gillard. "

tlallen59
  1/16/2020 06:01 EST

When due process kicks in is when the real exposure begins. Funny thing is the President does not need any help beating a guy that half the time doesn't even know what state he's in and admits on video that he did what the President wanted investigated. The fairness they are demanding will be there down fall in the end.

LovePhilly
  1/16/2020 08:52 EST

Larry, regardless of who spoke the words... I think we all agree with the message.

Robert, again I agree as always except the ethics committee are half dems so I doubt any justice would present from that source.

LarryKar
  1/16/2020 17:03 EST

LovePhilly You totally miss the point of the danger of giving false attribution. Plus no we do not all agree with " one size fits all" hate towards any religion.

LovePhilly
  1/16/2020 18:12 EST

Religion isn't the issue. Nice spin. This has to do with a willingness of any immigrant to assimilate into their new society instead of expecting society to change for them.

LarryKar
  1/16/2020 18:36 EST

LovePhilly Sure now you take the high road. Nice cover. Read the original diatribe again. Every other word is Muslim.

Morgacj2004
  1/16/2020 19:01 EST

Spot on Love Philly. I am sick and tired of all the BS political correctness crap going on in the US. They are trying to get rid of Columbus Day, Thanksgiving and take the Christianity out of Christmas. I am all for legal immigration and assimilation however the crap going on now is beyond unbelievable. Immigrants many who are illegal coming into the US immediately making demands and demanding conformity to their culture religious beliefs etc and they have many politicians bowing down before them.

Robertdav298
  1/16/2020 19:08 EST

PHILLY, I read that RUDY G is chomping at the bit the sue these guys and take them to the wood shed....should be interesting.

I think the law that grants immunity to congress for what they say while in congress should be changed.

Earnestndeavor
  1/16/2020 20:43 EST

Larry no need to apologize. I certainly was not trying to spread hate. I did however attempt to shed light on the growing fear of Islam throughout the world.

I appreciate your correction, but the point is not who said it but that it was said. The fear of Islam is real and the continued terrorist attacks by Islamic radicals only serves to intensify that fear. Accusing those who rightfully fear Islam of hating Muslims is an attempt to shame folk’s into accepting a point of view with which they do not agree.

LarryKar
  1/16/2020 21:24 EST

Earnest my main point was not that Radical Islam should be in any way defended. My point was that posting things and giving them credibility as in this case that the PM of Australia said it is not right either. First of all it was a word salad of this and that put together mostly by some retired Air Force guy. The former PM never said it and had nothing to do with it. But it is a hopeless cause that I never seem to realize to point out the fine points of truth and justice to those all to eager to have their preconceived view points validated even by Fake News. Not aiming at you but your cheering section who always start in. No sane person wants radicals of any stripe around them. The problem and the danger comes when we rush to judgement about one particular group.

LovePhilly
  1/17/2020 08:50 EST

Well written Earnest! Exactly.

darkfader24
  1/17/2020 11:28 EST

While you guys bicker over "Words", the reality is, some of these guys would LOVE to send their children in with loaded backpacks and blow you, your spouses, and your little children sky high. As seen on the Church Walls dripping with blood in 3 Churches in Surabaya, Indonesia (May 2018), and 3 Churches in Sri Lanka April 21st, 2019 - not including Apartment Complexes, etc. I can tell you this - go to areas in Michigan or London or Paris - where the Cops won't go - and find out how much a number of these people want to "Assimilate". The only assimilation here is what they demand OF YOU!! Kneel before Allah - or lose your head! No excuses, no apologies, NO MERCY!! Wake up, Folks. Wake up, turn or burn!! it's time to take the fight to these folks. They are The Bully in the Schoolyard. When David faced Goliath he did not wait for the mean, nasty, aggressive Giant to come to him first - it says that little punk picked up five smooth stones from the brook - and RAN - RAN toward the giant. And it only took the first stone - the other 4 were unnecessary. Then, guess who got his head cut off - and with his own sword, at that? Nuff said....

DavaoDelSur1
  1/17/2020 13:17 EST

I will let you guys refight the crusades. I also don't respond to nonsense.
But I have something to share that was written by Windsor Mann.
When Trump says he knows everything, he knows nothing.
When Trump says he knows nothing , he knows something. And that something is bad.

LarryKar
  1/17/2020 18:11 EST

Just read an Associated Press news item. 800 Saudi Students will be admitted for military training in the near future.
Guess the Prince's check cleared. We have Barr's assurance they have all been carefully vetted and claim to belong to a rare sect of Presbyterian Saudis.
Those last two things I made up but they are coming.

Robertdav298
  1/17/2020 18:36 EST

EARNEST/LARRY/DARK, I feel that I have to post this rebuttle, that all muslims are not bad.

Can any of you tell me how you decipher a good muslim from a bad one?

I have been taught that these people are the enemy of Christians and they will kill you and as many of your friends that they can in the name of ALLAH.

Now you may say that you live next to a Muslim family and know Muslims that are normal BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW? Are you willing to sacrifice your life and your families life just because you think they are nice?

Friends all I am saying is that if you are going to error, then error on the side of caution.
Like I have posted many times previously, this race is producing at a higher rate than yours and its just a matter of time until they outnumber the whole world.

Are you aware thqt there are cities in Michigan and Minnesota that are completely MUSLIM? Did you know that the police will not go into these citiies? In Minnesota, there is a district that is completely Somalians i.e. ILMAR's district.

Robertdav298
  1/17/2020 18:48 EST

Dark, I remember a story that my grandfather would tell me over and over when I was a young boy.

He would tell me that his grandfather would tell him that when he was a young boy that as far as you could see was SOUIX land and the LAKOTA' feared that the white man would some day steal our land.
He said that the Lakota would fight to keep it but they were outnumbered because the white man were just so many and they would keep coming until the SOUIX was no more.

Sounds prophetic right? Well if you look at the world demograghics the MUSLIM race continues to grow while the white race continues to drop.

I guess what comes around goes around.......soon the white man will be no more,

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/17/2020 18:55 EST

I personally believe that they should make English the official language of the United States (it's probably impossible now but it should have been done a long time ago). As far as I'm concerned you shouldn't even be able to get a green card without passing a language test (written and verbal). I also agree if you don't like the policies of the country, get out!!!

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/17/2020 18:57 EST

I'm fair, by the same token if you don't like the Philippines don't move or live there. Find another place that you think you'll like better or else don't complain too much (we are all allowed to complain, just not too much).

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/17/2020 19:19 EST

I understand there are age exceptions for knowing the English language. I'm talking of the majority of immigrants under 50.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/17/2020 19:32 EST

Ace I think you added the over 50 knowing English rule to get a green card when you realized most American expats only know English. So I guess by your standards I won't need to learn Tagalog. Thanks.

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/17/2020 20:19 EST

DavaoDelSur1,
Your over thinking is wrong. I added the over 50 because in the U.S. in order to get citizenship instead of having to study 100 questions if you are over 50 in some circumstances you may only have to study 20 questions of which 10 will be asked. It has nothing to do with expats over 50 speaking tagalog. Although I do think it's a good idea to try to learn some tagalog for anyone living in the Philippines so you don't get ripped off too much.

Robertdav298
  1/17/2020 20:41 EST

ACE, when my filipino wife was going for her interview/test to become a US CITIZEN, there were I am guessing over 300 people in the auditorium that day. Thankfully we had a review number.

As people approached the ARMY Captain to enter for their interview, I noticed they all had someone with them and I got curious. So I went to the front and queried the Captain (thankfully I was on duty and was wearing my uniform) he immediately saluted me and asked how can I help you sir.
I asked him who were the people escorting the candidates his reply was " sir they are interperters" I said for what, he said that the reviewer will ask the candidate a question and the escort will ask the candidate.
I was immediately outraged and asked the young captain what the hell, these people are becoming US CITIZENS and cannot understand ENGLISH., He replied yes sir, I do not make the rules all I do is check IDENTIFICATION.
I thanked him and then made a few phone calls and much to my dismay, this was the US POLICY.........now fast forward to the Russia and lets say I was applying for RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP in MOSCOW and I did not speak RUSSIAN........what do you think my chances would be?

You see how messed up the US is and you see why the democrats want open borders. My gosh.

ACE my daughter goes to a private school in CEBU and this is an INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL, its is called IAU. The school goes from elementary to college all on one big campus. There are signs evrywhere saying "speak english".
Just recently the Governor of CEBU declared that Filipino History and Mother tongue are no longer to be deemed "required subjects" in the Visayas.

surfingcebu
  1/17/2020 21:26 EST

Robert - we have been importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants with no english language at all - Zippo ! ...for years and years . They plug our schools as we give them free education and grants and spending money and so forth ( more than what a Canadian gets for sure ! )

Its not uncommon to have a Syrian making 3-4K on the dole , free smart cell phone and a entertainment budget . Out Prime Minister is out of his mind (Trudy) !

Now we are paying some form of grants to the people on the Ukrainian civil aviation jet that Iran downed ..... trudy said he will collect all the funds he spends off the Iranians . He's freaking nuts !!

Our Prime Minister is Fidel Castro's kid - Look it up ! Total nut , and has buried us in debt !

tlallen59
  1/18/2020 04:31 EST

Davao, is it possible for you to get past your hate and have a intelligent exchange of ideas without bashing the President? Give it a rest brother and you will feel better.

LovePhilly
  1/18/2020 06:30 EST

Tlallen, his behind still hurts from three years ago and he can't get over it. Pure bitterness. Sad.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/18/2020 08:25 EST

tlallen59 , I don't hate the president. And how is stating the facts as I see them bashing? I refrained from name calling. As for having an exchange of intelligent ideas that takes two sides.

Robertdav298
  1/23/2020 18:49 EST

Has anyone watched the ADAM SCHIFF show? Oh my gosh what a liar, where an the hell do these people come from.....what a sleeze bag.

Tsmslf
  1/23/2020 18:59 EST

As a trial lawyer, I was looking forward to the trial tactics and moves of impeachment. But I have found the whole saga simply boring. Trials are often boring but I thought this would be better. It's probably the Senate rules and it may be too early in the event but, so far, it's one big yawn.

rebtop
  1/23/2020 19:01 EST

Robert. In the immortal words of Dementia in chief.. here you go again. Trump is amoral. A disgrace to America. Draft Dodger. Phony CIC. He and his staff are grifters,. Everyone of them.

LarryKar
  1/23/2020 20:13 EST

Yes I'm totally confused by the procedure. They talk and talk then vote straight Party then the Network Talking Heads say it doesn't matter. The real motions and votes will come in the next phase. What? I've been watching our version of History Channel instead. It's UFO Week. Bet you didn't know plagues are caused by Ice Worms from comets. I'm not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens. The government hides all this from us. Now you know. Smile

Earnestndeavor
  1/23/2020 21:26 EST

Larry, WOW! what a day! Second time this morning we agree. One more time and you buy the coffee.
Larry said;
“ They talk and talk then vote straight Party then the Network Talking Heads say it doesn't matter. The real motions and votes will come in the next phase. What? I've been watching our version of History Channel instead. It's UFO Week. Bet you didn't know plagues are caused by Ice Worms from comets. I'm not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens. The government hides all this from us. Now you know. Smile

LarryKar
  1/23/2020 21:37 EST

Earnestndeavor yes this Kumbaya atmosphere is weird. I've even let a couple chances to explain how wrong Robert is go right on by. Next we all be planning a beach party bonfire and singing old Phil Ochs protest songs. Smiles.

LovePhilly
  1/24/2020 04:16 EST

Nobody is watching this goofy charade. It's like watching a football game where you already know who will win. We all know the outcome of this and it's boring. Out of 330 million Americans, only 1 million are actually trying to watch it.

The feeble attempts to over ride the voice of America is a disgrace. We the people have chosen and are exceedingly happy with our choice.

tlallen59
  1/24/2020 05:27 EST

Dementia in chief.. That's rich considering your front runner doesn't know where he is half the time and can't finish a sentence. O'l quid pro quo joe is an embarrassment as he touches little girls right in front of there parents and the cameras. What a bunch of reprobates.

LarryKar
  1/24/2020 05:33 EST

tlallen59 Until you said "Joe" I thought you meant Trump. My error.

rebtop
  1/24/2020 06:03 EST

T.. Well I have to agree, Joe Is not the man he used to be. Still a little more eloquent then trump with his dumb ass use of adjectives and superlatives. What is a beautiful, perfect phone call? And at least Joe gropes unconsciously While trump does it deliberately and then brags about it.

rebtop
  1/24/2020 06:16 EST

Love .. You sound just like trump.. NOBODY listens? . Millions are watching at different times. You ALWAYS have great posts.. Your posts are BEAUTIFUL. Your phone calls are PERFECT.

tombalita1
  1/24/2020 07:12 EST

Wow! Phil Ochs. 99 % won’t know who he is, but I’m impressed that you do.

tombalita1
  1/24/2020 07:15 EST

Indeed we are!

tombalita1
  1/24/2020 07:16 EST

ROFL !!

LovePhilly
  1/24/2020 08:37 EST

There have been many posts about Duterte in the past but from those of you in the Philippines right now, what are your thoughts regarding his recent decision to end our troop presence there? (It's only something like 1,000 for training purposes but it's symbolic).

tlallen59
  1/24/2020 09:39 EST

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html?fbclid=IwAR0CuZgyIEN3JKI230y0Qu-0SiR1O-luCvYWIGxlRkWs7i5hPwm5sbTdPHw
Hard to argue with video. Wait, you people will argue with a stop sign.

surfingcebu
  1/24/2020 11:07 EST

Love , when you say "our" you mean USA troops ?

I think any reduction of EU troops ( does Belgium still allow them to have an army?) , USA /Aussie/Canadian troops ....plays into the hands of the "China factor" . They will be replaced with Chinese / Russian troops soon I would think , in time . DU30 took a wrong turn here .

LovePhilly
  1/24/2020 16:12 EST

I agree with you Surf. He said America has been sucking off the fat of the Philippines long enough, Americans just come and go as they please. I think he is making a big mistake. There is no "fat" really except the beautiful women. The fantastic shorelines are mostly full of litter now. I'm not sure what any western nation has ever taken from them. They have little to give really. Western nations (and believe it or not, Japan gives them twice as much as anybody) give them hundreds of thousands of dollars every year and, we have since 1950. I think he is seriously messing this up. Some 86 percent of the people favor America. I like many of his domestic policies but I really believe he is burning some bad bridges.

LovePhilly
  1/24/2020 16:14 EST

And why in the hell is word wrap not working now? I guess some prick is about to shut this thread down also.

Honestly, I think the owner of this site sells expat insurance. This is only a business endeavor for him.

Robertdav298
  1/24/2020 19:07 EST

PHILLY......the owner is a woamn from New Jersey.........need I say more?

tombalita1
  1/24/2020 19:10 EST

Tlallen59 I hope when the president’s legal team presents their case, they play this video. It’s good to remind everyone that it was Joe as VP withheld the money unless they fired the prosecutor that was investing his son Hunter and Barisma. Haven’t seen this on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS. They usually have amnesia unless it’s something bashing Trump. Thanks for the video.

Robertdav298
  1/24/2020 19:13 EST

Philly, frankly I do not put to much stock in what D30 says, especially when he is drunk or pissed off.
But SURF is right, the Chinese and Russians are waiting in the wings......as soon as there is no presence from the west.......they will move in.

One of the reasons the US dropped ABOMB on JAPAN was to send a message to Russia who was waiting to occupy Japan.

How is that LARRY........Fact check

Robertdav298
  1/24/2020 19:56 EST

Philly, here is my thoughts on what is happening in DC

1) the house has sole right to impeach, it is no secret that these people have been trying to impeach DT since Nov 2020.......they just do not like the man. There as been a vendetta ever since he got elected. They have brought issues to the public 1) russia hoax 2) mueller report 3) ukraine. All 3 of these accusations have yielded NO EVIDENCE......NO CRIME.
If there was a crime why wouldn't Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi present evidence. Where is the whisleblower?
The TWO articles of impeachment presented to the Senate lack substance and defile the constitution.
For days Schiff and his merry band of comrades have presented hear say and false motives.
They are asking for more witness's and documents when they had the chance to do it while in the house.
Why they didn't was obvious.....they have no case.
The DEMS are using this trial to prepare for 2020, they want to stop Trump from running in 2020, they want to win the SENATE and keep the House. This is a calculated plan by Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler and Schumer, they think they can sway the moderate REPS to vote with the DEMS.

2) The Senate has the right for trial and vote on the facts BASED ON THE CONSTITUTION. The Senate can also decide to dimiss the case based on the lack of evidence AND NO IMPEACHABLE CRIMES.......again based on the constitution.
There will indeed be a vote and the DEMS are hoping to sway a few Republicans to help their cause to allow witness's and documents. My guess is that the Dems blew their chance because of the presentation and redundance by their managers.

3) At the end of the day the final outcome will be DT will not be taken out of office because they need a majority which will not happen. Meanwhile the American taxpayers have funded this whole charade and political theater.
I hope that the people in these districts where the Dems are up for relection will remember these days and vote them out of office.

Lastly, I am not a registered DEM or REP, but an American citizen and I vote for candidates that will do their job and represent me in DC.
I vote for people who respect the constitution, VETERANS, trade, rule of law, fight against unlawful immigration and most of all America First.

Sorry Larry but I did not serve 30 years defending my country to simply allow people to abuse what we fought for and are still fighting for.

LarryKar
  1/24/2020 20:23 EST

Robertdav298 I feel so shamed and humbled. Get off the trip that being a Vet gives you special knowledge or love for the country I have been a citizen of for 40 years longer than your career. Back to basics. Trump blocked every request for documents and told many witnesses not to co-operate. Not that the House had not requested same. The brave witnesses who did the honorable thing and came forward only gave verification for the Whistle-blower concerns. It's really not complicated.

LovePhilly
  1/24/2020 21:45 EST

Robert, as always, you are dead on and saved me a lot of typing. One addition, I don't think dems believe they can win this or even beat Trump in the next election. I think they are hoping this stupidity will allow them to take the Senate.

Larry, I respect a different opinion but I have nothing for you.

Tsmslf
  1/24/2020 23:05 EST

Mr. Kar: Where you say Trump "blocked" witnesses and document production, the fact is that he exercised executive privilege which has has a right to do. The correct course was for the House totake the issue to court for resolution. That's what happens every day in US courts. Obama did the same thing and his AG, Holder, was cited for criminal and civil contempt by the House. But impeachment? Ridiculous.

You really should look at the law before concluding on a legal subject about which you clearly know nothing.

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 00:07 EST

Tsmslf Well after retiring from 40 years on the bench and lecturing at Harvard Law I think I do know a thing or two. Just made that up but wanted to sound like everyone else on here. I know you are reading your GOP talking point script. Comes down to when you can't defend your guys behavior cast doubt on the process. Move along Sir.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 03:19 EST

Yes, if that U.S. trading force is out, Russian or Chinese troops will replace them. What I don’t understand is why the U.S. is not allowing them General now Senator Dela Rosa a visa to come to the U.S.? I don’t blame D30 for threatening to cancel port visits by the U.S. Navy. Why are we involved with internal Philippine politics? Anybody know?

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 03:29 EST

Robert,

Couldn’t have said it better! As a 25 year U. S. Navy veteran, I’m standing at attention and saluting you.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 03:33 EST

Larry,

I think you had it right after the first sentence, “ I feel so shamed And humbled.”

tlallen59
  1/25/2020 05:26 EST

Very good post Robert summing up the free campaign ad because that's all this is. They keep putting words in his mouth about what he said in a damn phone call. Making up what he said in hopes that people will believe what they say. It's ridiculous and quite frankly turns my stomach. If he violated the law I would be on board with this but he did not unlike Clinton last time who was charged with 11 felonies. Not one charge of a broken law here just that they don't like the guy because he breaks it off in there ass. Quite enjoyable actually to watch these hypocrites squirm.

Gingert76
  1/25/2020 05:34 EST

im a UK born and bred citizen so have sat on the sidelines reading these posts with interest, personally i rated Trump right from the start and i would happily have him as our PM here and the posts i have read have reaffirmed my belief.

its amazing how the press can twist the truth and also how people can interpret news and let their own personal feelings influence their like/dislike of someone.

I take news with a pinch of salt and only hard and proven facts dictate my thoughts.

some excellent posts on here, and i applaud you all for discussing without falling out!

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 05:37 EST

tombalita1 " Shamed and humbled" was sarcasm. But you missed it just like you missed Trump telling Lev to " take her out". Documented call but he doesn't even know the guy and Lev can't fire an Ambassador so what do you think he meant? Guess Trump is in the habit of calling random total strangers to remove problem State Department Employees. Wow.

rebtop
  1/25/2020 07:08 EST

I will trade 3 trumps and 2 Barrs for one Boris.

mattinnorfolk
  1/25/2020 07:10 EST

I have used a online betting site for 20+ years and as I was looking at the Super Bowl odds this week I clicked on USA president odds. Trust me, that the book makers in London and Vegas care about money, and are not motivated politically. Here are current odds if your bet $100. Trump, you win $40, Sanders $500, Biden $550, Warren $1000, Mayor Pete $1400 and Bloomberg is $800. If you know anything about gambling, you can sort out what they are telling you.

rebtop
  1/25/2020 07:17 EST

Trump knows best.
Iranian rockets give some troops a headache. Military says many have traumatic brain injuries and are being treated. I have to go with trump. We all know about the lying military and how soft our military is becoming. After all as a war hero trump knows some much more than Them.

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/25/2020 09:53 EST

mattinnorfolk,
I'd going with Andy Reid. I think the odds for Bloomberg will improve in the future.

mattinnorfolk
  1/25/2020 09:55 EST

I hope Andy wins ace, but I don’t think it’s going to happen we got to see fence front it’s just too good, but should be a good game. I think people are underestimating Bloomberg to, although I don’t think he’s going to win. There are enough wealthy Democrats that would not allow Sanders or Warren.

Tsmslf
  1/25/2020 10:27 EST

Mr. Kar, there you go again: lying as you read my mind by saying I'm reading Republican talking points.
In fact, as a trial lawyer in CA for 20+ years, my remarks are accurate as any lawyer will tell you. Discovery arguments are normal in litigation and are settled by the trial judge if the lawyers don't work it out. The argument about what is discoverable is usually the nub of disagreement.

Privilege is an ancient legal position held by spouses, religious, doctors and, yes, presidents. Obama, correctly, asserted it as has almost every president.

It's a legal point Mr. Kar which is not in your ken.

ACEPoolPlayer
  1/25/2020 10:29 EST

Mattinnorfolk,
I'm sure we'd both be happy with the Rogers against Darnold. Since it will never happen I'm hoping for Reid-Mahomes to win.

mootpoint20
  1/25/2020 11:45 EST

The burden of proof is on the prosecution. Two or three witnesses, since Old Testament, must be part of it and ‘show up’! No mystery accusers, free from cross-examination. The jurisprudence system was obviously violated. But let’s end the personal vitriol for a sensible discussion. Change the topic? I’ll go first.



Nobody wants to marry an American woman. Acculturation to the Progressive theology has made disgruntled spouses seek marital remedies solely from the State. The complaints to the Police department are enormous, mindless, and continuous; making their need to protect the community from theft and violence diminish in the last ten years. Follow statistics or observe your own neighborhood. Women find it difficult to get voluntary help at times because males don’t want to end up being sued. Today, we discover members of the political leadership extorting millions of dollars for their own families with impunity. The Bidens (all five of them) have become billionaires in a few short years from the ‘Barisma’ company in the Ukraine, as well as China. Joe, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry (the Ketchup-King) were fed millions of dollars through Barisma for their untalented children. One married an Iranian politician. One was kicked out of the Navy for cocaine use, and presently is being sued by a ‘night-club stripper’ even though he claims he is now bankrupt. The payoffs were discovered, but what was the motive? Possibly war, if Hillary was in charge? But they wisely fed this Feminist ideology to young Progressives. Once families were reconciled, or sought religious counseling, and children had a right to be born. But now Progressives are told to rush to a police station whenever a partner is inconsiderate. Ask any Police Chief. So, men flee or fall into sexual alternatives. It’s all a fraud. Can it be remedied? American men are leery about involvement with American women. They’re now seeking third-world wives, or sexual alternatives. It is a cultural collapse predicated on the communist ideology for revolution. The attack eventually destroys religion as the bulwark of normalcy. The results are obvious. The State becomes God, or civil war begins.

tlallen59
  1/25/2020 13:13 EST

https://www.facebook.com/DiamondandSilk/videos/163464034946871/
Here you go Larry. Watch it and learn what you people are really up to and then give us a break.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 14:19 EST

Gingert76

Great to hear your perspective from afar on our politics. I don’t know much about British journalism, but I often see stories from the Guardian and other papers over there. They have a lot of news that CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the mainstream won’t cover. Thank you for posting this.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/25/2020 14:26 EST

As a progressives we can learn from Trump. If you retire on Social Security from the USA creditors can't freeze these funds in your bank account. Only taxes and school loans are still collectable. So sell all your stuff, bring cash with you. Up to 10,000.00 each adult and stiff all your creditors. Don't forget to thank the Donald. After awhile you can declare bankruptcy in case you want to invest overseas and want peace of mind.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 14:29 EST

Of all those here, you are probably the most extreme Trump hater. But I applaud you for your conviction.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 14:49 EST

“Talking points” are reserved for the DNC. It’s a term that’s really never been associated with those on the right. We have our views and as you can see, we are not always in sync, especially in the Trump administration. The White House, the Attorney General, the Pentagon, a lot of times they’re not talking from the same page and have to regroup. However, you can count on Dems to fall in line on everything. This is why there are no longer any “moderates” in the party, they’ve all been pulled to the left. They have no choice. Step out of line from Pelosi and Schumer’s direction and lose your committee assignment. Heck, they’ll even campaign against your reelection in favor of a more radical leftist candidate. On the other hand, Romney, Murkowski, Collins and others disagree publicly with Republican leadership and you know the number of Trump haters we have within our party. But that’s how tolerant the supposed “intolerant” party is. I’m convinced that if Pelosi said the sky was green, the mainstream press and Democrats, but I repeat myself, would all agree and make it part of they’re “TALKING POINTS”.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/25/2020 14:50 EST

Why does someone who doesn't support Trump have to be hateful? Can't we just oppose his policies, rhetoric and or life style? And I love all you Obama haters crying foul when Trump gets poor reviews.

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 16:58 EST

tlallen59 Posts a Diamond and Silk video and expects to be taken seriously. Seriously?

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 17:19 EST

tombalita1 If talking points are only in the world of the DEMS then please explain the news item awhile back that the RNC had messed up and emailed " Republican suggested talking points" to the DNC. Then actually sent a request that they be returned. I'll wait.
Lsmft or what ever we are all greatly impressed with your legal career. No idea why you are not sitting in that big chair at the head of the Impeachment Hearings. Roberts surely pulled some strings. But little that you say makes the least bit of sense. Clinton's case was not comparable but he never tried to stop testimony. Nixon did not try to stop testimony only because he never dreamt his cronies would mostly tell the truth. As I said before this trick of diverting by attacking the process is only the defense when you have no other defense.

rebtop
  1/25/2020 18:07 EST

Tom... Stop. Please. Who elected you Judge? I want to be in the running as the biggest trump hater. So many reasons. I went in, drafted. He cowered out. He has dementia and still was elected by sub-normals. I want. A REVOTE.

rebtop
  1/25/2020 18:11 EST

HANG ONTO YOUR SS. Trump is cutting entitlements as soon as he is able. Don’t believe the truth? trumpies don’t unless they hear it from info wars, Breitbart, Faux or the liar in chief.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 18:44 EST

Larry,
I remember that news. I prefer to call the RNC directives “policy perspectives” than talking points.
Just my bias. However, the rest of your post is for someone else. I don’t have or claimed to have any legal background. I’ve never argued anything of a legal matter on this thread, just personal opinion based on 67 years of observation.

Tsmslf
  1/25/2020 18:50 EST

Mr. Kar:

Nixon used executive privilege and lost in a famous SCOTUS case: US v Nixon 418 U.S. 683 (1974)

Clinton exercised the privilege 14 times and, like Nixon, lost in court.

Obama did it in 2012 and eventually lost in court

As Casey Stengel used to say: "You could look it up" That, of course, would preclude your baseless assertions.

Would Trump have lost in court too? I have no idea but he has the right to claim the privilege just as I said.

No lawyer would argue against his right as the right clearly exists or else the other three presidents wouldn't have made the claim.

Once again, you are dead wrong as you spread your fertilizer over these pages.

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 19:45 EST

tombalita1 Nice play on words almost like a perfect phone call. I fully admit my own bias ( I prefer truth) and maybe faulty memory but I recall the RNC errant email was headed "Talking Points".
Yes I was saving time and included an aside to our resident Legal Eagle. I was not always a simple probinsyono and had friends, neighbors, and worked with Corporate Attorneys on Boards. I know how they think and act this unit amuses me. Sorry to have bothered you.

LarryKar
  1/25/2020 19:57 EST

Tsmslf Executive Priv was not even being discussed. Best check your case brief. It was out and out refusing a legitimate request for records and intimidating called witnesses. Trump never invoked EP just said No! like he is a Mafia Boss.

tombalita1
  1/25/2020 21:19 EST

Larry,
Nothing to be sorry for, it’s all in the back and forth. I’m glad we have a president that has ignited the banter and caused us to express our political opinions. I never for a moment thought of you as a probinsyono, but one committed to his beliefs. We agree to disagree about Trump and his policies. However, there are others on this thread (not you) that have referred to me and fellow Trump supporters as sub-normal. I seem to remember someone who labeled us as “deplorables” that is now not the president thank God.

rebtop
  1/25/2020 21:23 EST

Definition of sub-normal. Normal is main stream with a moral compass. Positive approach to life. Win-Win. On the shoulders of giants. Christian values where we car about others. Sub-normal is the opposite.

LarryKar
  1/26/2020 00:53 EST

tombalita1 I agree some people, actually on both sides, go to far. It is just so very hard for the Left to understand why the Right cannot see what is so obvious to us. I was a Republican going back to the first time I could vote. Yeah it was Nixon. But something along the way changed in the GOP it is not today what it once was. To me Trump, who really is not even a Republican of any stripe personified and magnified what was wrong. My opinion.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/26/2020 02:05 EST

On Syria just last fall Trump said he pulling out to which Melania replied " I heard that before" And just like that the Middle East is more miserable just like the first lady.

Robertdav298
  1/26/2020 03:10 EST

Larry....larry...Larry......here is something that you most obviously were unaware of.......TRUMP did not have to declare Exexcutive privilege for witness's being asked to testify in the house charade.

You want to why? Well it is because before the house can issue requests to appear, there must be a full house vote to approve it BUT THIS NEVER HAPPENED.......know why because nervous NANCY dropped the ball......therefore all of the the supeonas were invalid.
If they did follow the rules and did vote and pass to supoena key witness's then DT could have invoked Executive privilege and let the courts decide.......which oh by the way.......they all ready did.

So all of this BS about obstruction of justice in the worlds of "GOSLIG" is a bunch of horsefeathers.

Have a nice day

Robertdav298
  1/26/2020 03:28 EST

TOMBAL.......back at you......thanks for your service and dedication.

I was scrolling down at some of these posts concerning the "middle east" and let me just say I applaud DT for standing by his campaign promises.

I also think that as soon as we get out of the middle east the better, we have no business being there anymore.....or at all.
We have lost to many lives already and for what? We do not need the oil :)
I like DT's doctrine of peace thru strength.
I also think that once D30 retires and a new president is elected the relationships with the west will get better. I have said before OBAMA pissed D30 off at least 3x that I remember and he has not forgotten.

Someone on here asked why a Philippine ranking official's visa has been held up.
The answer is that our government has been vetting VISA requests from countries with known terrorists.....plain and simple......MINDANAO

LarryKar
  1/26/2020 03:30 EST

Robert Robert Robert I have no recollection of ever using the words EXECUTIVE Privilege unti Legal Eagle AKA lsmft or something started trying to impress with his vast storehouse of knowledge with some arcane court ruling that had Zippo Zero to do with the subject at hand. That being innocent people making perfect phone calls would do nothing to impede justice and clear their name. I rest my case.

Robertdav298
  1/26/2020 03:32 EST

NOTE TO ALL POSTERS!!!!!!

I just want to say thankyou, you know the owner of this forum closed our original POLITICAL THREAD which by the way had by far the most posts EVER.

Thanks for the healthy debates......even you REBTOP

rebtop
  1/26/2020 05:19 EST

Debates and postings can be a wonderful way of expressing yourself autonomously. I think it is fine to poke a hole in someone if they too sanctimonious and full of themselves. Like we all can be.

rebtop
  1/26/2020 05:30 EST

Robert. There is a hugh difference between Peace thru Strength and bullying. Bullying because you can. The trump way. The way he has always been, We were a very arrogant country back n the day. In the middle east and elsewhere. Just like the Europeans with their colonialism. Korean conflict (war) and Vietnam Nam taught people with a sense of history the dangers of meddling in different countries.. Assassinating a foreign general at a foreign airport on foreign soil is bullying.

rebtop
  1/26/2020 06:01 EST

Any Doonesbury fans out there? The strip today is hilarious. You all have to read it.

LovePhilly
  1/26/2020 07:48 EST

And even you Larry...

tlallen59
  1/26/2020 09:08 EST

It doesn't matter who posts it ITS A VIDEO watch it if you dare because it destroys your case. The truth will set you free.

tlallen59
  1/26/2020 09:23 EST

For God's sake will you read the damn transcript instead of letting the media and the house make crap up and you believing it. Good Lord.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

tombalita1
  1/26/2020 17:39 EST

Larry,

My reply is your post substituting Democrat for Republican. I’ve heard it said that Kennedy wouldn’t recognize the party. They’ve gone so far to the left Obama won’t recognIze it soon. Take care.

LarryKar
  1/26/2020 18:15 EST

tlallen59 Do you understand what a " transcript" is? It is someone's interpretation of what was said. No doubt with Trump or Barr standing behind you say " no leave that out". You also do not get the inflection and tone of voice. If this was a PERFECT call why is the complete recording hidden away on some Server? Maybe it will be found some day in Kiev where all the world's secret stuff is hidden. LOL

Earnestndeavor
  1/26/2020 19:06 EST

Reb, I think this comment of yours highlights the difference in our thinking.

“ Assassinating a foreign general at a foreign airport on foreign soil is bullying.”

You view soleimani as a “foreign general” while I view him as a murderous terrorist directly responsible for the deaths of many Americans who was on his way to plan and direct more killings of Americans.

Would you prefer allowing him to continue his murderous rampage knowing that Americans are his main target?

Robertdav298
  1/26/2020 20:24 EST

Well stated EARNEST!!!!!

REB TOP........was HITLER A BULLY?

DavaoDelSur1
  1/26/2020 20:32 EST

New Fox News poll 50% of Americans want to convict and remove Trump from office, 44% oppose. Of Independents it's 53% to convict 34% vote not guilty. Good luck in Nov suckers.

Earnestndeavor
  1/26/2020 21:08 EST

”good luck in Nov suckers.“

Save some of the kool-aid, it will help wash down the crow.

rebtop
  1/26/2020 21:23 EST

Now we know why trump would not allow witnesses. Bolton has a book coming out that excoriates the dumb one. OMG trump is soooo dumb. I hope he stops making beautiful, perfect phone calls and tweets.

rebtop
  1/26/2020 21:41 EST

Hitler was truly a bully. Thug. Anarchist. He destroyed the civil government in order to rule. Even killed his opposition. Destroyed the press, fake news. Goebbels was his propaganda minister with his own state run radio. Lied. Lied. Lied. He said if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it. I believe we are heading into the 1930’s again.... .

rebtop
  1/26/2020 21:53 EST

Ernest... definitely a killer. Bin Laden was taken out in his hiding place. By solderers. Being reckless and assassinating a general at an airport is reckless. Look at the consequences. He had to drive to and had to drive from that airport. Plenty of time to get him. Now we have about 34 soldiers with traumatic brain disorder in hospitals that trump calls a headache. That is who your fearless draft dodging leader is.

rebtop
  1/26/2020 22:06 EST

Tla. Can you define transcript? I must be dumb but i think it means translation? Why not release the whole beautiful, perfect phone call document? This is as bad a Barr giving a summary of the Mueller report. Duh. I have a bridge you can have cheap. Well used but it is a beautiful perfect bridge.

LarryKar
  1/26/2020 22:09 EST

DavaoDelSur1 And 70% + want further witnesses and release of documents. Interesting that only the Followers of The Chosen One want cover up and to make a mockery of the hearings. Most of us just want truth.

surfingcebu
  1/26/2020 23:15 EST

Davao del sur- so you say 70% want a judicial process with witnesses that was denied your president? Interesting twist I think.... ironically your saying most people want a judicial process now ... that is was denied by the Democrats.

Such a waste of money , when so much has to be done .

Earnestndeavor
  1/27/2020 00:06 EST

Reb, you wrote;

“ Being reckless and assassinating a general at an airport is reckless. Look at the consequences. He had to drive to and had to drive from that airport. Plenty of time to get him. Now we have about 34 soldiers with traumatic brain disorder in hospitals that trump calls a headache.”

There again you see it as an assassination, I see it as battlefield victory.

From your comment above I take it you believe no retaliation would have occurred had he been taken out going to or from the airport.
Earnie

LarryKar
  1/27/2020 00:44 EST

Surf I think it was me not Davoa that quoted the 70% polling. How was Trump denied when he was the one telling witnesses not to testify and refusing to release thousands of pages of documents. He was even invited to attend and/or send the Attorney of his choice and he refused. Claiming he did not want to give the Hearings legitimacy would not have worked in highschool if the Principal called you to the office. In what world would it work in a House inquiry?

tlallen59
  1/27/2020 05:03 EST

Yah right Larry you keep believing that crap. Where do you come up with this sh*t. There were 12 people taking down that call and you think people are standing behind them telling them what to write? You are truly delusional.

tlallen59
  1/27/2020 05:04 EST

DavaoDelSur1 = SUG prove me wrong.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/27/2020 05:10 EST

Sug on my Davao Del Sir Tlallen

LarryKar
  1/27/2020 06:02 EST

tlallen59 So you were there and had custody of the tapes? 13,000 Fact Checked and documented lies from Trump but this time his word is infallible? Even though we had a TRUE and COMPLETE transcript we still cannot hear the actual tape. I see.

rebtop
  1/27/2020 06:16 EST

Not sure how to break this to trump supporters. He lies. Obfuscates. Threatens. Gropes. Inarticulate bantering. He is embarrassing. And his ardent supporters are obviously graduates from trump university.

Robertdav298
  1/27/2020 07:25 EST

surf/Larry, as I posted yesterday, the supeonas by the House were invalid because Pelosi did not follow the law which states that before dupeonas can be issued in an impeachment the FULL HOUSE MUST VOTE TO RATIFY the supeonas.........this never happened making all the talk about witnesses in the house impeachment a moot poini.

Robertdav298
  1/27/2020 07:48 EST

Philly, here is the book on Bolton, while in office he had many clashes with his boss, especially on foreign policy (which was his job). Seems as though he had his own agenda i.e. Foreign Policy. This guy repeatedly undermined the administration particularly on NOKOR, SYRIA and IRAN my sources have told me that he was eager to go to war.

Now think about this whether you are in the military or the private sector and you are constantly disobeying your boss, how long do you think it would take before you are asked to leave?

This guy is pissed off and has an axe to grind and what better time to take the stage while your former boss is under impeachment. Sure he quickly wrote a book about his feeling getting hurt when nobody would listen to him.
Now mysteriously, a paragraph from the book concering......guess who.....UKRAINE, gets leaked to the NYT......coincidence, not likely,
This is the same game different inning, as the dems and the media tried to pull off in the Kavanaugh hearing.

Tell you what, these guys are corrupt to their ears and they are all pissed off because they are getting exposed. Just wait until the DURHAM report comes out.
The more I see of our inept Congress the more I believe in term limits for all Senators, House Reps, Governors and most of all judges.
I think TWO years max for any government held position.

Supreme court must retire at age 65.

tombalita1
  1/27/2020 08:20 EST

Transcript- a word for word in print form of a conversation. All the blah blah blah is just spin.

tombalita1
  1/27/2020 08:29 EST

The ability to tell the story via Twitter and at rallies is really the difference now. If you do the traditional thing, the left and the media, but I repeat myself, they can saturate the news with their spin and you have no response. This is why the the media, you know the usual suspects, MSNBC, CNN and the 3 major broadcast networks, New York Times and the Bezos Post will control the story. With social media now you have a fighting chance. This is what frustrates the media now: they don’t control the story.

LovePhilly
  1/27/2020 09:00 EST

I miss the days when you could watch the news and they would just tell you what happened.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/27/2020 12:13 EST

You know Trump is dirty, I know he's dirty, we all know he's dirty. But you all don't want to admit it because you like his policies.
Starr investigation on Bill Clinton was over 4 years long. Congress spent more time investigating Benghazi than it did 911.
The reasons Republicans give about not wanting witnesses are all bs. The truth shall set you free. What are all you afraid of? Don't tell me I know. It's the truth .

LovePhilly
  1/27/2020 14:41 EST

I think everyone in Washington is dirty and most are far dirtier than Trump and yes, I love hos policies!

LarryKar
  1/27/2020 18:12 EST

Robert Are we confusing the House Investigation with the Impeachment phase we are now in. They are two separate things. I've tried to look up what you are saying but can find nothing. Not trying to argue yes or no but please post your source for this " Nancy did it wrong." narrative. No matter what one feels about Nancy she is not a free agent. Some Dem lawyer would have said " Hold on girl you can't do that, read the instruction manual."

Robertdav298
  1/27/2020 22:44 EST

Larry, I was referring to the house investigation procedure......this was while the investigation was happening. Actually there were supeonas that were issued that were never followed up on. What I was saying was that the House cannot just isssue supeonas like cookies WITHOUT a full house vote.

I think this in the House rules for the impeachment process.

tombalita1
  1/28/2020 08:19 EST

No reason to tell you anything DDS1. You know it all. Just ask you.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/28/2020 12:26 EST

tombalita, smartest words you ever wrote.

LovePhilly
  1/28/2020 12:58 EST

How about some British news?

A group of radical feminists are pushing to ban any discussion of sports in the workplace because women feel excluded.

An LBGTQOFNO group is trying to get female hygiene products installed in male bathrooms (because some males menstruate of course).

The government has decided to allow Huawei (China) to install part of its 5G network despite the danger.

The world is a scary place.

surfingcebu
  1/28/2020 13:03 EST

Love - I guess you have the self serving hateful angry, baby killers, feminists there too huh ? I just ignore them in North America - just act like they are not there .... not even worth talking too . Who the heck would date one ?? I guess a 'Mangina' may consider it - poor fool ! HA!!

Tsmslf
  1/28/2020 13:09 EST

In the vein of helping Philippine and expat education simultaneously, try "is pushing" as that sentence's subject noun "group" is collective like army and requires the singular not the plural verb form. This is basic grammar, not some more arcane rule such as splitting infinitives

You're welcome.

darkfader24
  1/28/2020 17:03 EST

Philly - Please give me a breakdown of: LBGTQOFNO. I know what the first 5 letters represent, but after that I'm lost - being a "Rube". :-D

LovePhilly
  1/28/2020 17:48 EST

Hahaha Dark, the acronym in my estimation is too long and difficult to remember (if I cared to which I don't) so, I get it close then just type a bunch of letters! lol

Earnestndeavor
  1/28/2020 18:56 EST

Larry ask;
“ Are we confusing the House Investigation with the Impeachment phase we are now in.”

My understanding is that impeachment which is a written accusation is a duty assigned to the house. The house hears and views evidence and decides whether or not to formally charge. If the house decides to charge ( impeach) the evidence, which includes witnesses who participated in the house investigation, is tried before the Senate. The Senate is a trier of facts, not an investigatory arm of the house. Therefore, I believe the impeachment phase was completed by the house and the trial by the Senate phase is now underway.

Larry I am anxious to hear from anyone who has more input as this is quite interesting to a lot of us here on the forum.

Earnie

darkfader24
  1/28/2020 19:19 EST

Philly - In that case, you need to add another 6 or 7 letters to it. :-D

Robertdav298
  1/28/2020 20:06 EST

TOM.......my guess is that DDS and GOS/SUG are related.......hmmmmm!

Kind of like MItt Romneys......instagram....lol

Robertdav298
  1/28/2020 20:17 EST

ERNIE........you are spot on, you do not need any help.

That is what the whole thing is about......the Senate Dems want the whole Senate to do the job that the HOUSE failed to do i.e call witness's and get documents.

Whereas, as you said.....the responsibility of the Senate is to try the case presented to them by the House.

If you have read or watched Mr. Dershowitz.......he is a constitution scholar and he states that articles 1 and 2 provided by the house are NOT IMPEACHABLE offenses.

This whole John Bolton thing is just another load of manutia. Even if DT told him to hold up aide to Ukraine, it is within his right as Presdident to do so.

This whole charade is sickening to watch or read as it nothing but political theater.

LarryKar
  1/28/2020 22:29 EST

Robert and if you really listened Mr Durshowitz said his is a minority opinion. Most Constitutional experts do not agree. But I realize you only hear the parts you like.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/29/2020 03:42 EST

Robertdav, another wrong guess. No SUG and I are not related in anyway. Except both are white, American ,smart, college grads and married to filipina women with daughters. Where we differ ,I'm an atheist and a Vetran of US Army 11B two years active duty. I'm not in Philippines for another 2 years until Social Security kicks in. Also expect to live in Davao City area. Hope that
ends your curious fixation with you and tlallen about me.

tlallen59
  1/29/2020 05:13 EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cGk4BRHckA
Alan Dershowitz testimony. A real democrat. I'm not hearing what Larry heard.

LarryKar
  1/29/2020 06:11 EST

tlallen59 I don't know if I said it was in plain words but it's in there. It has been noted over and over by countless sources. Even in a Fox Interview directly from Dirshowitz. Most amazing was his claim that Abuse of Power is not an impeachable charge yet every Senator in that chamber knew that was one of the charges against Nixon. Never got to the floor of course as Nixon had the grace to resign.

tlallen59
  1/29/2020 07:28 EST

Nixon used the FBI and CIA to spy on a political opponent and covered it up. Sound familiar?

tombalita1
  1/29/2020 09:11 EST

Yes, all too familiar.

LovePhilly
  1/29/2020 09:14 EST

My guess is that they will call some witnesses because some (on both sides) fear they might lose some votes if they don't.

They should not call witnesses because they are only supposed to act as a jury to decide a case that is already made. It still comes down to getting votes.

It still won't matter in the end. We all know how this will finish, both the hearings and the election. Dems don't have a chance and they are just doing their best to hold onto a house majority.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/29/2020 18:12 EST

I think we all know what will eventually happen in the senate. Regardless of witnesses it will be almost impossible to convict Trump with necessary two thirds vote, would need 20 republican Senators. If Trump were to be Impeached it would be political suicide for Republicans.
For the Democrats it's all about getting as much evidence out there to convince mostly Independent voters to dislike Trump. Just like the Republicans did to Hillary with Benghazi. Drive up the negatives. But I would argue the Democrats are doing it with more solid evidence.

Robertdav298
  1/29/2020 19:36 EST

Yes Larry I listened to every word and what I got from it was the two articles of impeachment sent by the House were not "HIGH CRIMES and MISDEAMEANORS" as stated in the constitution.

Now you can spin it any way you like to fit what you think......!

In other words do listen to music that you do not like,? I don't, I change the radio station or turn the radio off, simple is that.

Robertdav298
  1/29/2020 19:42 EST

DDS.......so you say....I have had many wrong guess's.......think again!

By the way, thanks for your service, to our country..

I do not have a fixation at all with you, I simply looked at many of your posts and the similarity of one SUG/GOS and frankly I do not care who you are.

Enough said......move on!

DavaoDelSur1
  1/29/2020 20:52 EST

Thanks Robert, I also don't hold any ill will towards any poster. It's their right to have a different opinion. Even if we fuss and fight verbally, we're all Expats in a foreign land. I hope we can all be friendly, if not friends.

darkfader24
  1/30/2020 00:39 EST

DavaoDelSur1 - So the Dems are doing it with more solid evidence. Here's what Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal had to say about the current presentation by the Prosecution: "What you just saw was a fact-free summation of a case bereft of evidence. We need the evidence. We need the witnesses and documents." This is why they want to call "Witnesses". Because their case has no evidence. And it has no evidence because, just like Mueller's Report, there is none. It's ok. Let the Fools continue. It has never made me concerned at all. In the end they will have Egg on their faces. The Dems and the Media, who have slavishly gone after a guy that they hate, and have always hated, at least since June 2015, are GOING TO FAIL again and again and again - just like they have. It's amusing to watch. Unfortunately, this kind of "I don't like you therefore I am going to do everything I can outside of killing you to get rid of you" political bias, even though he was duly elected and millions voted for him, WAS NOT what our Founding Fathers wanted in American Politics. If he is so reprehensible, let the voters decide. If the voters are a bunch of idiots - well, many of them voted for Barack. They weren't considered idiots then. The American Voter should "Impeach" and kick out Donald Trump IF they don't want him. So, the Dems are spending their time going after someone that they don't like - while Trump is doing his job bringing unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics (and everyone) to historic lows, knocking ISIS on it's a@s, killing Terrorist Generals and Caliphate Leaders (Murderers who killed and maimed your fellow soldiers), bringing equity to Trade Deals, making our country energy independent - where we aren't held hostage by those that hate us - like the gasoline lines of 1973 and 1974 - remember those? Etc..... I could go on but I'm bushed.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/30/2020 01:37 EST

The lack of evidence is directly related to Trump's obstruction of Congress charge. He won't let his staff testify.
What really matters is how Independents will vote this November. With 75% of Independents wanting witnesses it looks as if Trump is screwed either way. No witnesses and it looks like a coverup. With witnesses and he's a proven liar about Ukraine.

Robertdav298
  1/30/2020 05:03 EST

HEY all posters, I just wanted to point out that so far we have 165 posts on this thread.........more than any topic, since the first political thread.

I wonder if the owner will close this one as well......time will tell!

Keep posting.

FYI.......I just saw where PAL is offering Direcy flights now from CEBU to LA and back.

tlallen59
  1/30/2020 05:16 EST

"solid evidence" How about 4 Americans coming home in body bags after begging for help countless times. Then your hero Hillary sits under oath and can't recall her own damn name for 11 hours. Why don't you wake up and smell what your shoveling.

LovePhilly
  1/30/2020 08:24 EST

tlallen, the American people see this for exactly what it is. Again, I think this is a fight for the House election, not the presidency.

tombalita1
  1/30/2020 10:22 EST

I guess the 4 dead bodies in Benghazi aren’t enough evidence.

tlallen59
  1/30/2020 11:43 EST

I agree Philly, this is nothing more than a tax payer funded political smear job for all of congress and the office of the president.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/30/2020 12:40 EST

Now children settle down. Just because a person doesn't like Trump as President doesn't mean they love or even like Hillary. I voted for her holding my nose because I knew she was at least competent.
Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi you clowns a sound like a broken record. After years of political investigations Hillary testified for 11 hours. Did they find errors yes, but bad stuff happens and mistakes were made, Which led to four Americans dying. Is this the only time in US history leaders making mistakes led to deaths? Hell no, so get off your soap box. How many hours has Trump testified? None because he would perjure himself being the pathological liar he is.
On September 30, 2015 Kevin McCarthy House Majority Leader told Hannity that the Benghazi investigation was a "strategy to fight and win" Benghazi was a hit job to bring Hillary's poll numbers down because before that she was seen as unbeatable.
.

tlallen59
  1/30/2020 15:51 EST

Hit job. That POS should be prosecuted and in jail for many violations of the law. Name one statute of the law that Donald Trump has broken. Your so full of your self it's sicking.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/30/2020 16:42 EST

tlallen it's good to hear I get under your skin. Maybe that will encourage you to raise your game. Because up to this point to be honest, it be a little lame.
You ask of laws Trump has broken. 1) Extortion : the withholding of military aid to Ukraine unless they announce investigation of Biden.
2) Refusal to cooperate with lawful subpoenas
I'm pretty sure once he's out of office, money laundering and tax evasion will come in to play.

Tsmslf
  1/30/2020 18:19 EST

Fertilizer DDS.

1. The Ukraine aid was delivered within the time frame specified by Congress and the Ukranians didn't know about a delay till they read it in Politico.

2. A litigant has a right to make a legal objection, such as privilege, to a subpoena. Courts sort that out and then if not obeyed, an issue arises but not until a court decided. Pelousi had no time for court as this was a critical emergency to get rid of Trump but that was before she decided to hold everything up for a month.

3. There are questions surrounding the validity of the subpoenas.

You really don't know what you're mouthing off about.

Robertdav298
  1/30/2020 20:03 EST

PHILLY.......spot on.......this a fight for the Senate Majority and House in 2020.

Schumer is a cunning SOBand he knows the longer this charade goes on his party may pick up some votes in 2020. He also knows that DT will win in 2020 but his party has majority it will be meaningless.

This is a perfect example of why there must be term limits, people like Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff, Watters and Hoyer are all career politician blood suckers.

DDS tell me what Hiliary and Bill did in the private sector besides being scumbag lawyers.? NADA.......they were career blood sucking politicians.

You voted for her and you are a veteran......my goodnes.

LarryKar
  1/30/2020 20:20 EST

Endless source of amusement. Even the slightest suggestion of an opinion not praising the GOP and/or Trump and we are accused of being bitter over Hillary, having TDS, every disproven and discredited conspiracy theory rehashed, the wagons circled and the Mutual Admiration Society goes into full gear. Cracks me up. The last laugh will surely be sweet.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/31/2020 00:29 EST

Just because you end an extortion attempt because the authorities are on to your plan, doesn't mean you didn't conspire to commit a crime.
It is illegal to seek foreign assistance in an election.

tlallen59
  1/31/2020 05:24 EST

He who laughs last, laughs best.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=783801125430462

tlallen59
  1/31/2020 05:36 EST

You are living in a fantasy land davao. This is what real extortion looks like. I am sure you will try to spin your way out of it as you always do when presented with facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&fbclid=IwAR0z14EgrDrxveERyKSBD6bOKCg8w_0FDXgFWyv_bm5utwA2it7N8AWz2r8

LovePhilly
  1/31/2020 07:49 EST

The list of crimes the Clintons have gotten away with is far to long to be listed here. They are the dirtiest politicians I can think of and it takes a lot of dirt to gain that title.

LovePhilly
  1/31/2020 13:25 EST

Just as a note, those of you who call us Trump lovers, deplorables or otherwise, generally speaking I don't think anyone loves Trump but Trump. What we do love is:

Working for our money and keeping more of it.

Preserving the life of unborn babies.

Controlling immigration in such a way that we aren't forced to pay for someone else and adversely affected by higher crime.

Keeping guns to defend ourselves and our way of life.

Maintaining our Christian values in our culture.

When boys use the boys bathroom and girls use the girls bathroom.

Not being politically correct, especially when it come to terrorism.

Now it just so happens that Trump tends to make decisions in line with these values and as such, he will be elected again.

darkfader24
  1/31/2020 14:52 EST

Dear DavaoDelSur1 - Was there lack of evidence here? Serious Government Investigations on Prez Trump: Special Council, NSA, DOJ (Mueller), FBI, CIA, House, - and many more. Yet no evidence. If there was ANY evidence the Dems would have brought it forth already, and might not "NEED" any more witnesses. I WISH they would call in Bolton, and ANYONE ELSE. But, c'mon, fair is fair. Magna Carta and the US Constitution - the Repubs will have to have the ability and RIGHT to bring forth the witnesses that they want, also. It MUST be balanced - not JUST what the Dems want - like when Schiff wouldn't allow so much in his hidden House Investigation. I say bring forth the Witnesses. Let the American Public see. We have a RIGHT to see a real "Balanced and Two Sided Trial". At this point I don't care how long this goes on. The Dems have F'd things up and almost brought Government to a stand still and only Trump is getting anything done. Hillary and the media were so upset because Trump would not SAY - NOT SAY - whether he would accept loss in the election. Who cares if he didn't concede? If she had won, she would have been president. Let him go off and cry and sulk. ALL that matters is THE LAW. She would have been President, whether he liked it or not. And YET, what has happened? Hillary, the Dems and the Media ARE THE ONES who refuse to accept Trump's Victory! HAHAHAHA!!! I just fall on the floor laughing at these Hypocritical FOOLS!! Not because he won. But because they were screaming about his "SUPPOSED" refusal to accept her victory - and yet, who are doing the screaming and refusing to accept defeat? And by the way - he NEVER said that he would not accept his defeat. He didn't say anything! He does that stuff on purpose - to rattle his opponents. He's been using that tactic all along. It's so funny, cuz they keep claiming that Trump is an idiot. And yet, he keeps poking them with outrageous statements and sits back watching ALL of the endless Knee Jerk Reactions! I LOVE IT - watching the Arrogant, Smartest Elitists in the room, as they scramble and freak out at so many of his tweets and statements. Hahahaha!

mootpoint20
  1/31/2020 16:47 EST

Q.: How can you tell a Democrat is lying?

A: He begins to move his lips!




CASE-CLOSED

DavaoDelSur1
  1/31/2020 17:22 EST

The Cult of Trump is the only way to describe you apologists. During a trail about Trump, you want to talk about everything but Trump.
Your like the religious who go door to door recruiting. Your beliefs are all that matter.
Your so pissed off about demographic change in America that your ability to reason is short circuited.
The Republican Party is so scared of you they are willing sabotage the Constitution . This will come back to haunt them.

DavaoDelSur1
  1/31/2020 17:45 EST

The coverup during the Impeachment of Donald J Trump by 51 Republican Senators is now complete. Who need witnesses or documents during a trail. King Trump all hail King Trump.

LarryKar
  1/31/2020 17:51 EST

DavaoDelSur1. Don't waste your breath friend. The wagons are circled , the Mutual Admiration Society is handing out awards to each other. They are clueless over how the history books will record this period. Side bit of humor . Just read that Bernie is leading the donation race With donations from Active Military. Way ahead of any other candidate including Trump. So while they were guarding the Rest Rooms, Mom and Apple Pie, look what happens. And I'm not even a particular fan of Sanders.

tombalita1
  1/31/2020 17:58 EST

Wow Philly, that’s it exactly. I try so hard to covey this to my non Trumper friends. I’ll use this text to highlight the policies of Trump. So many are confused. They equate welfare and giveaways with compassion and charity. I give to my church, which it turn feeds the homeless. Also to USO, Wounded Warriors, St. Jude Children’s Hospital and the Salvation Army. But I do that voluntarily.

rebtop
  1/31/2020 19:08 EST

I am late into this session. But Love it is good to know what drives you. Also to know that you hav no moral values, Christian or otherwise. When i hear from people like you, christians INO, i think WHAT WOULD JESUS DO AND THINK.

rebtop
  1/31/2020 19:18 EST

Dark are you on SS? bye Bye. Trump will rebalance this giveaway after reelection. These takers will get 75% of their present payments. Destroying Medicaid for the likes of WV ians. They will all just die off now or go on disability. That is all they know.

rebtop
  1/31/2020 19:21 EST

How can you tell when a repug is looking for a date? he goes to a family reunion.

Earnestndeavor
  1/31/2020 21:36 EST

DDS1,

The idiocy of your comments are beyond response. However, I am truly sorry that the educational system failed you so miserably.

Earnie

Robertdav298
  2/1/2020 00:27 EST

WELL STATED......EARNEST

DavaoDelSur1
  2/1/2020 00:39 EST

Earnie if your so educated why don't you point out the flaws in my arguments. Instead of just simple criticisms.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/1/2020 00:50 EST

YouTube Chris Cuomo from CNN.
5:35 of truth unlike our pathetic Republican party.

LovePhilly
  2/1/2020 01:27 EST

Right on Tom!

And Rebtop, you are just insulting and ignorant. I'm sick of you reinforcing negative stereotypes about West Virginia.

You can't just have a conversation or debate without insulting someone. If you think its funny to say all West Virginians are on welfare, wonder what you think about blacks? Women? Native Americans?

You wouldn't talk that $hit if you were here in West Virginia.

rebtop
  2/1/2020 01:37 EST

Did anyone read Hillbilly Elegy. Great reading. Best seller

LovePhilly
  2/1/2020 02:32 EST

Now to switch gears...the Chinese loving Duterte is selling out the Philippines. He recently announced that he will not attend the conference in Los Vegas and that he is cooling relations with America.

The U.S. gives them 200 million dollars every year. The Japanese give them much more than that and have for many years. There was a time when the islands were strategically important and that time has past. It is only our love for the people that is left to induce America and many other nations to continue help.

The U.S. Navy has fleets all over the world and missiles that can reach all over the globe, both nuclear and conventional. We no longer need the Philippines from a strategic perspective yet, we continue to support them.

He is accepting large loans from the Chinese which they can never repay. China will control them as they do so many other nations in their debt.

I like many of the things he does for the Philippines and as I understand, the majority of the people love him. He's making a mistake to turn his back on America.

Duterte is biting the hand that feeds him.

LovePhilly
  2/1/2020 03:28 EST

One last thought for the day..

Nazis tore down statues. They banned free speech. They blamed economic hardships on one group of people. They instituted gun control. They put the state before God. They nationalized health care. They placed strict government regulations on industry.

Can you draw a parallel to any party today?

LarryKar
  2/1/2020 04:10 EST

LovePhilly On breaking agreements with the USA and forbidding Officials from going to the USA he is getting some resistence and not just from the Yellows. Many of his normal supporters are suggesting there be discussion even up to public hearings.

tlallen59
  2/1/2020 04:58 EST

In order for there to be a cover up there has to be a crime. I'm still waiting for you "smarter than us" guys to name even one. After years of investigations you got nothing except a guy that stands there and lie's his ass off. Next time, and there will be a next time because that's how you people roll maybe the house should do there job and call all the witness' and gather all the documents like the constitution says there supposed to do. Like they did during Clinton's impeachment. The house sent 15 boxes of evidence and charged Clinton with 11 felonies. Nancy's bumbling ass sent a note book and a guy that stands there and makes sh*t up in front of congress. Oh and LovePhilly is right. REBTOP you are a true reprobate.

rebtop
  2/1/2020 06:33 EST

Tla.. do you realize that trump gave a blanket executive order that no one can cooperate, No one. In order to get witnesses, house would have to subpoena the witnesses and then go to courts for resolution. Months, maybe years. Barr is trumps PERSONAL attorney even though he heads the justice dept. Great situation for a dictator but bad for democracy.

rebtop
  2/1/2020 06:36 EST

Reprobate? TU. At least i am gaining in stature. I was not sure where i stood.

tombalita1
  2/1/2020 08:15 EST

The witnesses were all called in the House, or should have been. Now the Senators will decide based on the evidence presented in the House. Why’s everyone making this so difficult?

LovePhilly
  2/1/2020 08:20 EST

Rebtop, that book is about Ohio and Kentucky. Has nothing to do with West Virginia.

Your willingness to apply negative attributes across a large group of people is simply insulting. I worked my way through college to a master's degree then worked two and three jobs at a time. I have a 6,000sf brick home and am comfortably retired at 52. I know many others around me (in WV) who are smart, hard working and successful.

So, take your welfare. I've never had it and don't want it. West Virginia will do just fine without it.

LovePhilly
  2/1/2020 08:22 EST

Larry, I am sincerely glad to hear that.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/1/2020 09:39 EST

West Virginia rated 1st in welfare, 44th in Education, 50th in Economy, 48th in Health Care . When LovePhilly moved to the Philippines the IQ went up in both places.

tombalita1
  2/1/2020 10:01 EST

Sorry, can’t stand Fredo !!

tombalita1
  2/1/2020 10:08 EST

Let me guess Philly that would be the . . . . . . . DEMOCRATS ??

Tsmslf
  2/1/2020 11:43 EST

More fertilizer, this time from Rebtop. Barr is not Trump's personal attorney though Obama's AG, Eric Holder, bragged he was Obama's "wingman".

And so what if the president forced the House to subpoena potential witnesses? Where's the crime in that? The House wouldn't even permit Trump's counsel into their hearings, examine witnesses or present a defense in any way.

This is not beanbag. You want the defendant to lie down and permit the prosecution every liberty. It doesn't work that way.

Is it so hard to subpoena witnesses or documents? Of course not. All trial lawyers do it regularly and, if the other side objects for any legal reason and the lawyers can't resolve it between themselves, their resort is to have the court settle the issues. Absent that, it's gunfights at high noon in the OK corral.

The prosecution simply wanted everything their way and they were not entitled to it. Then, they whine about how unfair it is that they can't have it all their way.

Tough fertilizer. As someone once said, elections have consequences.

tlallen59
  2/1/2020 13:35 EST

Thank you Tsmslf well said. I really don't have time to answer the spin masters as I unretired and went back to work for a few years. 55 was just to young and I got board in the RP.

rebtop
  2/1/2020 15:56 EST

Tom.. The only witnesses called were the witnesses that were not controlled dry hump and his poodle barr. So please don’t pretend you don’t know this. And you guys wonder why beautiful, smartest, knows more than generals, people like myself throw barbs your way?

rebtop
  2/1/2020 16:14 EST

Love .. What are the three connecting states? The state just east of Kentucky. Sorry but read the news. Probably not faux news or the likes as you will not get news, just stories.

Ask them about their health care. And their health and the health of their kids. McConnell did nothing for any of them. Nothing.
Sorry but truth is truth. And facts are facts.

Tsmslf
  2/1/2020 17:23 EST

Not true Rebtop. The only witnesses called were called by the prosecution. In any trial, witnesses may be chosen by each side except here where your democrats called whomever they wanted but REFUSED TO ALLOW the defense to call any witnesses at all. That's a fair trial by leftist, democrat rules. The defendant's lawyers were not permitted to cross-examine any witnesses or to be present at depositions or numerous hearings. Such conduct is unheard of in American courts and is not allowed ever. Just the opposite is the rule. Everybody gets to see and hear everything, all documents entered into evidence MUST be given to the other side and all witnesses are subject to examination by all parties. This defendant has been denied his 6th amendment right to know and face his accuser, the hoaxer in chief, known by his inaccurate sobriquet as the "whistleblower".

You communists controlled the House hearings and made them a mockery of American justice. History will condemn that as it should. Even real kangaroos will avoid you.

Then, to top it off, at the trial, the Commies demand what they could have and should have done during the impeachment stage and, when properly rebuffed, whined and cried in their small beer along with their media counterparts. They all failed under pressure. That's what we call "losers",

Wednesday appears to be the Senate vote day; acquittal day, when their lies and failed strategies will officially end in the trash heap of history.

And then, in about 270 days, we, the people, will speak and you know who will emerge victorious. That's why you Commies tried these multiple hoaxes called investigations or more accurately, witch hunts. So far, you've lost them all as you're looking for that which does not exist. You will lose again in November and, doubtless, the same turd Commies from safe districts, like Nadler, Waters and Pelousi, will return and impeach 45 again unless the house turns over too.

Then history will repeat itself and you Commies can cry some more.

LarryKar
  2/1/2020 17:35 EST

Nice Stump Speech, LSMFT. Very little of it was true or correct or actually happened but it sounded great. Kind of like Trump at one of his Hate Rallies. Are you running for Head Wagon Master of the Trump Train?

tombalita1
  2/1/2020 17:45 EST

Rebtop,
Is that how you described yourself, repug? As in repugnant.

Robertdav298
  2/1/2020 19:30 EST

TSM.........you are spot on........however; I think that this is only "impeachment 1".

Currently there is no law in place to govern how many impeachments there can be in a calender year.

You know SCHIFF has learned from his mistakes and will surely recircle the wagons and do this all again. This time though he will grab Bolton and others.

Hopefully though, the elections in November will turn the tide in the house and senate and we can get back to a workable government instead of the resisitance. Hopefully the people in these states will look at the merits of their congress instead of voting by party.

My biggest fear for our country is that the DEMS will gain control of both House and Senate and DT as President then he is doomed and our country will suffer.

Meanwhile the Trump train is rolling and steaming ahead and gaining momentum.

I also read that Schiff is going to run for the Senate.......OMG.

Peacekeeper007
  2/1/2020 20:36 EST

You have gotten what wished for another Political Thread. Unfortunately whether anyone wants to admit it or not it's really serving no purpose other than allowing everyone to vent. It's certainly going to go on at least another 9 months. In the future if anyone wants to continue their conversation with anyone, I'd suggest you do it through personal messages. It's very clear where everyone stands on the topic and nothing is getting accomplished except just like Mattinnorfolk has stated people interested in the Philippines (as a possible place to live someday) are just being turned away towards other sites where they can get relevant information. Everyone enjoy your closing statements before this thread is closed.

mattinnorfolk
  2/1/2020 20:58 EST

God Bless You PeaceKeeper!!! Thanks for keeping this relevant to the Philippines, and you gave them a very long leash, so hopefully they all can agree to move on together. None of us can change Washington, and if you want to try please go for it, but this is not the proper venue for it, and there is a lot of wisdom on the Philippines here in this group.!!

Earnestndeavor
  2/1/2020 21:42 EST

Love-

Thank you for your comment.
You said it all. I fully agree.

Earnie

DavaoDelSur1
  2/1/2020 21:52 EST

Just when I really found out W Virginia is for lovers. Peace out.

Tsmslf
  2/1/2020 21:55 EST

I read some of them and they're boring as this will be if you limit it to cost of living, visas and such. Those threads just repeat themselves, slightly updated by Numbeo data.

Also, you run the risk of supplying wrong data because you can't and won't check all recommendations and, maybe, you'll assume some liability.

If you want to talk about Cebu vs Manila, go ahead but watch your numbers drop.

Robertdav298
  2/2/2020 02:27 EST

Peacekeeper, you are wrong by closing this thread, yes it is a place where Americans and others can discuss American politics and debate.
Just look at the number of posts on this thread as opposed to the number of posts on any other thread.
People are interested and you can see, numbers do not lie.
You can only talk about the RP, so much and it becomes boring and the topics are discussed over and over.

I rarely will visit this site because it is just not interesting. In fact I am willing to wager that this forum will soon close because of lack of interest. Oh you may get a few posts here and there but nothing like this "political thread".

I have a good idea, why don't you take a vote, 1 vote per poster, close or not close.......let us decide....not you, that seems fair or are pulling and ADAM SCHIFF.....on us.

tombalita1
  2/2/2020 02:39 EST

Not close

darkfader24
  2/2/2020 20:13 EST

Don't Close - from a Guy who rarely says anything anymore - yet reads every interesting statement.

Robertdav298
  2/2/2020 20:46 EST

Here is the deal, there are currently 639 pages on this forum site. Do some research and tell me how many threads have as many or more than the political threads.
I am willing to wager that there are very few if any.

gypsyquokka
  2/5/2020 10:26 EST

Not sure there is a reason to close this political thread for Americans and others,to be amused at the postings. This morning was NO way to avoid seeing Carrots read his SOTU speech. Every channel had it live. I turned off the sound and waited for it to end. Worth it though just to see Nancy's face as he stepped down, and she was sooo elegant tearing up the printed speech about the diarrhea that poured from his mouth. Surely NOBODY actually believed a word spoken.

mootpoint20
  2/5/2020 11:47 EST

I've listened for sometime and now judge most of the garbage has been removed by the owners.. Two birds played games ganging up on Conservatives, unfairly, and one of them has been removed for the 'SECOND' time! When you have no facts, a self-centered neurosis becomes the substitute. Removal was long over-due. Please, just stop the griping. If you want to change America, then just go home! Wishing all of you a great week.

LarryKar
  2/5/2020 18:19 EST

Moot: Have you considered a career as a Stand Up Comedian? " Ganging up on Conservatives unfairly"? Really when those who dare to not buy into Trump Facts as if drinking from the Fountain of Wisdom are instantly surrounded by the Knights of Right and told to leave paradise. Wow!

rebtop
  2/5/2020 18:19 EST

SIr the problem is not conservatives. The problem is moronic conservatives. Economy used to be a strong point which i applauded. Lower the deficit. Stop the government from wasting money. Now they applaud the king pf deficits. King of waste. Someone who will steal from military housing to build a useless wall to appeal to his uneducated base who believes anything he says.
Along as he is in power and the small base follows him as if he is the messiah, you will be called out..

rebtop
  2/5/2020 18:21 EST

Gypsy. Thoughts and prayers. Our country is in good hands.

Robertdav298
  2/5/2020 19:20 EST

Finally after THREE YEARS of endless investigations all ending with ZERO SUBSTANCE and costing the "American People" millions of dollars, it is OVER.

Well, at least for today, I am sure back in some dark corner SCHIFF and his boys are adding the ingredients into the pot for another witches brew.

Anyone with an ounce of compassion must feel something for those people that DT brought to the SOU. Only to have some political degenerate from where else, "the septic tank state of california" tear up the speech, like some kindergarten bully. Nervous Nancy is a disgrace to her district and to the House of Representatives.

By the way my reference to california is just about the politicians, NOT THE AMERICANS who live there.

Lastly, in all my years of watching the SOU, that speech ranks up near the top......well done MR. PRESIDENT.

There is no doubt in my mind that come this November DT will get re-elected and the Republicans will win both House and Senate.
I can say this based on the actions of the Congress, since 2016. all they have done is resist, resist and resist.
When they do a town hall in their district how can they stand there in front of the people and justify their election......good luck!

LarryKar
  2/5/2020 19:32 EST

Robert yeah yeah take your faux victory lap while truth, honor, and democracy lies bleeding.

Earnestndeavor
  2/5/2020 20:28 EST

Reb says;

“small base follows him“

63 million small base?

As I suggested before Reb, save some some of the kool-aid you’re drinking. It will help wash down the crow come November.

Earnie

LovePhilly
  2/5/2020 20:30 EST

Davao,

According to GoBankingRates.com, the following states (in order) pay the most welfare per ca-pita:

New York
Alaska
Massachusetts
Vermont
Minnesota
New Mexico
Delaware
Maine
Oregon
Kentucky

The 10 Worst States for health care (source CBS News) are:

Louisiana
Mississippi
Alaska
Arkansas
North Carolina
Georgia
South Carolina
Alabama
Florida
Nevada

West Virginia does have among the lowest crime rates and we do have a cost of living lower than 33 other states.

So you and Reb should get your facts straight. Finally, Virginia (not West Virginia) is for lovers, West Virginia is Wild and Wonderful, primarily because A$$holes like you don't live here.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/5/2020 22:19 EST

Good on You Philly it only took you 4 days to respond. Being from the bottom 10 in Education, I applaud your swiftness. I noticed your 50th in economy was also not mentioned.
Virginia , West Virginia all I know is the close I get to your home the louder the banjo music gets.

Earnestndeavor
  2/5/2020 22:35 EST

dds says;

“ West Virginia all I know is the close I get to your home the louder the banjo music gets.”

Does it sound romantic?

Earnie

DavaoDelSur1
  2/6/2020 00:24 EST

Earnie were you that little kid in Deliverance playing banjo?

Robertdav298
  2/6/2020 05:14 EST

Seems I remember a tune called " country roads".......almost heaven West Virgina, blue ridge mountains, shenandoah river.......go get em Philly

LarryKar
  2/6/2020 06:03 EST

Stop picking on West Virginia. My Dad got transferred to Kentucky right across the border from West Virginia. When he retired he stayed in the area. Loved visiting going to the Greyhound Track, Huntington, just tourist stuff in West VA. Beautiful state and good people. Salt of the earth types.

rebtop
  2/6/2020 07:04 EST

I have relatives in WV. They are having their issues. They are fighting a large battle that needs our support. Some how the hopelessness i hear has to be over come. Maybe it is just my distant relatives?

LovePhilly
  2/6/2020 08:58 EST

Davao, it took me four days to respond because my hard drive crashed and I had to get it replaced. WV is not last in education as you purport. Just more fake news in an effort to paint the place negatively. Anyone can google this and see it's a lie.

And frankly, I know a few pretty d@mn good banjo players and have some of the best times ever in the garage playing guitar and drums. The famous banjo movie "deliverance" however, took place in Georgia not WV.

WV gave the world Mother's Day, Chuck Yeager (who broke the sound barrier), Pizza rolls, many Olympic gold medalists, country music stars like Kathy Mattea and Brad Paisley, actors like Don Knotts and Jennifer Garner.

All that and we really can skin a buck, run a trot line, make home made wine and grow good ole' tomatoes.

LovePhilly
  2/6/2020 09:02 EST

Reb I'm not sure what issues your relatives are having...perhaps I can help. Whatever the problem is, I assure you it's not because they live in WV.

LovePhilly
  2/6/2020 09:07 EST

Robert, funny you should say that about "Country Roads". I was in Taguig with my wife shaving one evening and through the bathroom windows I could hear the neighbors singing karaoke to Country Roads. It truly is an international song. Even in Europe when I tell someone where I am from they begin singing it!

tombalita1
  2/6/2020 09:22 EST

LOL ??!!

tombalita1
  2/6/2020 09:25 EST

Wrong state. That would be Georgia, as in “Deliverance”.

tombalita1
  2/6/2020 09:30 EST

DDS1, were you Ned Beatty?

tombalita1
  2/6/2020 09:50 EST

Country music is very big in the Cordillera Mountain Region and especially in Baguio. That song by John Denver is still huge there 49 years after it came out.

LovePhilly
  2/6/2020 11:28 EST

Some thoughts about Chinese politics... there are things we don't like about the Chinese government, that it is communist, it has a terrible human rights record, corruption, etc. Of course it's not the Chinese people per say, they are just victims.

What I dislike most about China is it is AGGRESSIVE. They really do see themselves as culturally superior and the center of the world and power. They want to govern the entire world or at least control it. This thought is shaped by their history when at times they WERE the center of the world and dominated almost everything within reach. They want those glory days back and believe it is their rightful place. They don't care how long it takes to achieve that, always looking long term.

America by contrast, has never conquered a land and not given it back to the people (with exception of continental America itself).

The Philippines along with many other countries would do well to remember that as Pres. D carries out his love affair with China. We have given the Philippines 5.5 million dollars in defense spending alone during the last three years, helped them put down a Muslim uprising, provided intelligence and training.

Some have suggested the deal to rotate U.S. troops there was a terrible deal for the Philippines because the U.S. doesn't even have to pay rent for the facilities. Really? How about we start paying rent and cut off all the millions in free aid every year? That would be a better deal. It's all about greed and convincing wealthier countries to give more free money than they already get.

U.S. forces closed Philippine bases because the Philippine government eventually wanted more money than the U.S. was willing to pay. The Philippine government (not people) is a whore who will screw whoever has the most money. The government is not a loyal friend to the U.S. If we offered them no more money they would terminate relations.

The U.S. however, remains a loyal friend to the Philippines even though the location is no longer strategically important with the advent of modern weapons. I really can't blame them for losing some amount of faith in us as our last administration sat passively as the Chinese took over the islands in the South China Sea. We should have been there for them and we failed.

I really enjoy the input and thoughts from this group on topics like this, particularly from Surf and several other objective thinkers.

Tsmslf
  2/6/2020 17:17 EST

The other day I read an editorial in the Manila Times demanding that all U.S. troops leave the RP. I wasn't aware of any troops there. Some Marines guarding the embassy but no troops other than for joint military exercises which are infrequent.

Is that correct> If not, what's the status and where are they stationed? Plus, why are we there at all, especially if we're not wanted anymore?

TheIslandGeneration
  2/6/2020 18:07 EST

From what I understand we do have troops in the Philippines but they are on Philippine bases. A skirt around the rules but known and supported by the Philippine government. Their involved in anti-insurgents and other training. But technically this means we don't have any "bases" in the Philippines

Mark TheIslandGeneration

LarryKar
  2/6/2020 18:36 EST

Island Gen I believe you are right. Back after Mawari I remember seeing a picture of guys not in uniform but obvious they were kano. Caption said they were running observation drones to track the Terrorists. As my friend the US Marshall used to tell me when I saw him after weeks of absence, " you wouldn't believe where I've been or what I was doing but if I told you I'd have to kill you." I never doubted him for one moment. And he was civilian hard to imagine what the military gets into that we don't know.

rebtop
  2/6/2020 18:45 EST

Tom. I can agree. CM can be great listening. So much better than most songs today. I am not a fan of hip hop and have a hard time understanding it. Must be an acquired taste.

rebtop
  2/6/2020 18:49 EST

They are still there. Not doing as well as you. I do not go there to visit. Did once quite a while back.. They come here every couple of years. Ray of sunshine. Of course it is Florida.

LovePhilly
  2/6/2020 19:04 EST

Under the agreement, U.S. Forces maintain billets, training facilities, and equipment storage facilities on five military posts in the Philippines. Non of the U.S. personnel are "permanently" stationed there, they are on a rotational basis.

These are mostly Marines and U.S. Army Special Forces. I can never get a good number, I guess because they are constantly coming and going for training exercises.

rebtop
  2/6/2020 19:23 EST

Love.. I take back most of what i said. Seems WV has many redeeming values.. :-)

tombalita1
  2/6/2020 21:32 EST

Not sure where they are, but I had heard they were Special Forces working with the Philippine military to suppress Abu Sayef in the south. I know from the retiree newsletters that there are flights to/from Clark-Okinawa-mainland Japan.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/6/2020 22:56 EST

Damn rebtop you weren't supposed to spill the beans. Had Philly on the defensive lol.

Robertdav298
  2/7/2020 01:03 EST

PHILLY......I beg to differ, America conqured the "native americans" and until this day have never given them their lands back in total, Instead America has put them on government land and called it reservations.

Robertdav298
  2/7/2020 01:23 EST

Philly, nice post :)

Can I add that the RP desperately needs the US for economic support. OFW remittances account for over a third of the RP economy. Yes, it is no big secret that Obama snubbed D30 on several occasions and in his anger swore to become friends with China and Russia.
If D30 wants to play hardball then I would suggest that the US tax remiitances sent to the RP from the US at the same rate as Mexico. Lets see if his new found friends will bail his people out. Maybe but at what price?

Lastly, I saw on the news today that the doctor who discovered this virus has died. The article also stated that once he reported the virus (early stages) the Chinese Police entered his home in the middle of the night and made him say it was a lie. The article said that the Chinese government is lying about the number of infections and that it's more like over 100,000 people.

Like I posted yesterday, believe nothing that comes out of China.

rebtop
  2/7/2020 04:37 EST

Philly.. I am stunned. I thought you supported tRump. This description of China and the direction they are going describes tRump exactly. Please rewrite your post

surfingcebu
  2/7/2020 04:59 EST

Robert - interesting post. Very true . I heard about the “ lung flu” in Shanghai about 11 months ago. Where on earth have all the investigative reporting gone ?

tlallen59
  2/7/2020 05:19 EST

I don't like the idea of taxing remittance to the RP from overseas as that would reduce our monthly cash flow as expats as well.

LovePhilly
  2/7/2020 08:13 EST

Reb. thank you for the retraction.

Robert, I did mention "with exception to the continental U.S." with our native Americans in mind. That is a sin that will always exist.

Throughout history all around the world borders have changed by groups of people moving other groups of people. This doesn't justify anything but modern America doesn't behave that way.

LovePhilly
  2/7/2020 08:13 EST

Reb. thank you for the retraction.

Robert, I did mention "with exception to the continental U.S." with our native Americans in mind. That is a sin that will always exist.

Throughout history all around the world borders have changed by groups of people moving other groups of people. This doesn't justify anything but modern America doesn't behave that way.

LovePhilly
  2/7/2020 08:20 EST

Allen, we wouldn't even have to worry about taxing remittance. We are giving them approximately 358 million dollars a year in aid!

DavaoDelSur1
  2/7/2020 11:48 EST

In Alaska with 227 federally recognized tribes we have only one reservation. The rest of Alaska Natives , Eskimos , Aleuts and Indians ect.. have corporations. Some are very rich ones. Thanks a lot to the Gulf Wars and preferential bidding. They own huge swathes of land. So as a State since 1959 the treatment of Indigenous peoples has gotten better.

rebtop
  2/8/2020 15:53 EST

Pittance compared to other countries. Israel gets over $2,000,000,000. Now that i getting close to real money.

rebtop
  2/8/2020 16:00 EST

Love.. Modern America. What time span does this cover? I guess i can agree with you if you mean forcibly. Economically we do a lot of it
Let’s not get into what we do over seas. I am very disturbed with the actions of the US in my name. And the punishment we inflict on people.

LovePhilly
  2/9/2020 08:53 EST

Well Reb, we agree finally, or at least mostly. Yes we use money to get our way. I sometimes think we should just let everyone kill each other and stay out of it.

LovePhilly
  2/9/2020 09:22 EST

And why is it we are trillions of dollars in debt and continue to give away billions of dollars all over the world each year? I think we should stop paying the world and use the money to rebuild inner cities.

rebtop
  2/9/2020 09:29 EST

Love, about your last post.... Please define WE. And who’s billions. The WE does not billions. US has billions that the WE are giving away.

LovePhilly
  2/9/2020 19:52 EST

"We" the U.S. Taxpayer.

rebtop
  2/10/2020 05:45 EST

Love. My sentiments exactly. Politicians love spending MY money. And mostly for their enrichment. MY money is what floats our country. I am very concerned about inflation. The record DEBT we now have is growing. DT caused this. When inflation starts, it will be like Coronavirus, drastic measures will be needed to stop it. After many economic deaths. Ours, not his.

surfingcebu
  2/10/2020 07:43 EST

Redtop- you seem like a well read man . You know that if the Dems and Warren et al, , were in power your debt would be 3-5 times as great and your economy in the toilet. Right?

tombalita1
  2/10/2020 08:55 EST

DT has added to the debt that has been growing under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr. And Reagan. Nice try!

LovePhilly
  2/10/2020 10:29 EST

DT just submitted a budget proposal that will reduce the deficit by 4.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Dems in congress will reject it. Just watch.

mattinnorfolk
  2/10/2020 10:37 EST

I have voted for Trump, but the paper is worth more than his budget. He assumes 3% economic growth for each of these years which is nonsense. Go look how often we achieve 3% growth in the last 20 years. Those numbers are virtually impossible since we do not have a fast growing population but and the aging population. Until you change entitlements it’s not gonna be fixed and nobody can change entitlements orcthey not get reelected of either party. I sincerely doubt a compromise is ever going to work like the old days.

Tsmslf
  2/10/2020 12:51 EST

"DT caused this..." debt to grow wrote Rebtop. Fertilizer says I.

First, Obama added more to the debt than all prior presidents combined.

Second, debt is the fault of Congress, specifically the House from which ALL money must come. The Senate is not allowed to originate a money bill. The president can only veto, not originate. Unless you can get rid of Pelousy, there's no chance to even begin whittling away at the budget overruns. I would venture to say that few, if any, of us here would want to CUT social security. I'd like it to double frankly so I can live better in Cagayan of Davao than on what I get. Multiply that by millions of others and you see the problem. If we could get Medicare in foreign hospitals, it would be even better for some of us.

Third, there is no magic wand to control spending as few politicians ever want to do that in any country at any time. Too, few beneficiaries of government programs want them reduced or eliminated. I have no practical idea as to how to do it as none would pass Congressional muster. Nobody does or it would have been done.

It is a Gordian knot without a sword in sight.

LovePhilly
  2/10/2020 15:38 EST

Tsmslf, preach the word brother! lol. It's true.

For Reb and all the DT haters, I have a certificate of appreciation for my military service signed by Barrack Obama. I don't like him. I don't like his performance. I didn't vote for him.

The American people did though and I respected him. He was my president and my Commander in Chief.

Earnestndeavor
  2/10/2020 17:32 EST

“ I have a certificate of appreciation for my military service signed by Barrack Obama. I don't like him. I don't like his performance. I didn't vote for him. The American people did though and I respected him. He was my president and my Commander in Chief.“

Thank you for your service and your sentiment. I’m proud to have you as a military brother and a fellow American.

Earnie

LovePhilly
  2/10/2020 17:45 EST

Thank you Earnie! Sentiments returned!

rebtop
  2/10/2020 20:28 EST

Surf. I just posted but will have to respond to your post.
What do you think about our present deficit? Who caused it? The damn spending of the reckless democrats?
Did you see tRumps new budget? Over 2 trillion dollars. If he gets reelected. Damn democrats. Entitlements will have to be cut to balance the budget in 10 years, he says. Making SS into a 401 K is needed, he says. Double the military budget to keep us safe, he says. Destroy Iran, he says. Pal up with Putin and MDS for my good, he says. What do you say?

rebtop
  2/10/2020 20:35 EST

Tom.. Please stop with the obfuscation. Dumb dems spend on social issues and pay the price. Repugs spend on economic issues and get rewarded. IT was Bush who destroyed the economy for 10 years. It was Obama who sold out the middle class and bailed out the super rich but saved the economy., sort of. I have no love for either party. I just want to keep the record straight.

rebtop
  2/10/2020 20:45 EST

Matt, this is how republicans always solve financial problems. Steal from their base and tell them how good they have it. Cut their medical insurance and tell them you are getting even with the takers and no one will get ahead of you, Cut their Medicaid and tell them you are cutting waste.. On and on.

rebtop
  2/10/2020 20:49 EST

TS... seems like the only thing we disagree on is the cause. Bush and tRump did it.

rebtop
  2/10/2020 20:52 EST

Love i have one too. My brothers all have one. TRump does not have one because he is a draft dodger. Blisters and bunions serve cowards well.

mattinnorfolk
  2/10/2020 21:42 EST

You last 6 on this forum are total MORONS, and completely selfish and self centered idiots,. I will drop out of this forum completely as it is all USA garbage' Get a job losers, or at least figure out the difference from left and right. Do you not see only 6 or 7 people post on this forum now, or are you so self centered to not to see? Expat exchange is free based on members and advertising, and you all are determined to shut it down. Stop pretending you are smart and be who you really are as a lonely unintelligent loser that should be in Iowa with the rest of the I can't count crowed. Do a whasapp group and argue amongst you six, and stop destroying this forum! Entiendes?

LarryKar
  2/10/2020 22:00 EST

Robert..Trump says " how do you like me now?"
https://www.facebook.com/228735667216/posts/10157456339402217/

DavaoDelSur1
  2/10/2020 22:58 EST

" You last 6" retop , LovePhilly , Earnestndeavor , Tsmslf , mattnnorfolk , tombalita1 . Congrats Surf, you and I missed the Moron cut. Interestingly enough he included himself.
In all seriousness matt does have a point. Many blamed Sug/Gos . It seems like we're a circle jerk in search of a pivotman.
Hey where has Ace been lately lol.

Earnestndeavor
  2/10/2020 23:41 EST

Matt, I am not a MORON !

I have never been to Utah and I am a catholic.

I have enjoyed many of your post but have to ask why do you continue to read this thread and then want others not to write the very words that you voluntarily read. Wondering who’s the MORON?

I don’t expect a response as I assume you’re a man of your word.

Respectfully Earnie

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 01:49 EST

From time to time someone comes on this thread and writes, "this is supposed to be about the Philippines".

Well, there are a hundred other threads on this site that deal ONLY with the Philippines. No one has to open this thread, read or respond to anything.

I see it as a place to enjoy conversation with others of similar background and situation.

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 03:18 EST

So I've got one for ya...

For you libs, I really do respect you. I know your heart is in the right place even though your brain may be displaced. That doesn't mean I dislike you but seriously...

You guys are down to about five presidential candidates and you are completely divided among them.

1. A self proclaimed socialist. I actually like Bernie the best because he's telling the truth. I disagree with his truth buy he is honest.

2. An obvious liar who thinks she is a native American.

3. A young inexperienced man who likes to suck other men.

4. An almost 80 year old who has failed multiple election attempts and can't remember what state he is in or where he is located. His dirty politics are exposed now and it is obvious he has lined the pockets of all his family members.

5. A billionaire trying to buy an election. (Do you really think the working American will buy this shlt)

I really do respect you libs but I'm embarrassed for you during this time.

It's like watching a professional football team play against a high school.

LarryKar
  2/11/2020 03:54 EST

mattinnorfolk hey watch that Iowa bashing. Before I left it was a good place. Then almost immediately they went Red. Now the few remaining Dems have regressed to the point they can't count. It's true what they say about everything Trump touches. Have pity don't bash.

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 04:02 EST

Libtards are unified about killing babies but divided about killing terrorists.

United about protecting and paying for murdering, rapist illegals but determined to take your guns to protect yourself.

United in their effort to make this nation Socialist.

tlallen59
  2/11/2020 05:19 EST

Man Earnie you make me feel old! I joined when Carter was president. Like you I did not like him at all and talk about inflation and unemployment but he was the commander and chief and I respected the office even at a young age. Then Reagan gets elected and gives us a 7% pay raise and brings our hostages home. What a stark difference. Fast forward to today. Thank God for magic wands.

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 05:37 EST

Nice post Allen!

rebtop
  2/11/2020 05:49 EST

Love 3 & 5 are viable. I think you are worried.
tRump and you people are like the Astros. Cheat like hell. Get other people to cheat. And then say its OK I did it for the good of the country. Get over it. But baseball has honor and rules unlike the the cheaters on the right who only know how to cheat.

surfingcebu
  2/11/2020 05:51 EST

Love - your 1,2,3,4... was hilarious . You forgot #4, has this vacant took about him that scares the @hit out of me if he ever became president . 2 and 3 where hilarious . Warren is a fraud and should be in. jail. The deviant maybe too if the press would do their job!

Surf !

rebtop
  2/11/2020 06:01 EST

Love. No one wants to kill babies. Talk to any progressive and 100% they do not want to kill babies. Deplorable's want to bring anything that was inside of a woman out and play How long will it live.. If the woman was raped, deliver it and then take away her means of support. Damn welfare queens. Make the father pay without thinking that the rapist or father is dirt poor and cannot pay. Could be a preacher, in that case he is living tax free and can afford to pay. Same as a priest who is against abortion so he has more children to chose from., mostly little boys.

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 07:41 EST

Be honest Reb, you know as well as anybody the cases of rape are minute. That's not why abortion is happening. Your hatred for religion is your own issue. I have no words for that, only politics.

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 07:49 EST

And....... the only cheaters are the Dems in the House of Representatives who have promised the voters one thing and spent the last three years trying to undo democratic republic!

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 07:56 EST

Hey Surf! I was thinking about your reference to number 4 and his "vacant look"! lol. After much thought, he reminds me of an opossum! hahahahaha. From now on he's the opossum!

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 08:04 EST

Reb, so who are you gonna vote for? Seriously, I'm interested! The opossum?

tombalita1
  2/11/2020 09:01 EST

Like Granny told Mr. Drysdale on an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies,
"Once you got your heart set on possum, nothin else will do!"

LovePhilly
  2/11/2020 13:08 EST

Tom, hahahaha

darkfader24
  2/11/2020 18:05 EST

Reuters
Philippines Duterte terminates troop pact in blow to U.S.
By Karen Lema and Martin Petty
ReutersFebruary 10, 2020, 9:10 PM PST
By Karen Lema and Martin Petty

MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on Tuesday announced the termination of a two-decade-old Visiting Forces Agreement with the United States (VFA), delivering on threats to downgrade an alliance important to U.S. interests.

The mercurial Duterte, who has clashed with the former colonial ruler over several issues, decided to pull the plug on the two-decade troop rotation pact to enable the Philippines to be more independent in its relations with other countries, spokesman Salvador Panelo said.

"The president will not entertain any initiative coming from the U.S. government to salvage the VFA, neither will he accept any official invitation to visit the United States," Panelo said in a statement.

The decision, sparked by the revocation of a U.S. visa held by a former police chief who led Duterte's bloody war on drugs, could complicate U.S. military interests in the Asia-Pacific region as China's ambitions rise.

It would also limit Philippine access to U.S. training and expertise in tackling Islamist extremism, natural disasters and maritime security threats.

Panelo said Duterte's decision was a consequence of U.S. legislative and executive actions that "bordered on assaulting our sovereignty and disrespecting our judicial system".

The U.S. embassy in Manila called it "a serious step with significant implications".

"We will carefully consider how best to move forward to advance our shared interests," it said in a statement.

Given the importance of the alliance with the Philippines in broader U.S. strategy, Washington still hopes the decision will be reversed or delayed before it takes legal effect in 180 days.

In Washington, a senior Trump administration official voiced disappointment over the decision.

"The United States shares a long history with the government and people of the Philippines and recognizes that regional and global security is best served through the strong partnership that is enabled by the Visiting Forces Agreement," the official said.

"We will continue to work with our Philippine government partners to strengthen this relationship in a way that benefits both our countries."

The VFA is important to the overall U.S.-Philippines alliance and sets out rules for U.S. soldiers to operate in the Philippines. It underpins what Washington has called an "ironclad" relationship despite Duterte's complaints about U.S. hypocrisy, ill-treatment and ageing weapons.

Duterte says the United States uses the pacts to conduct clandestine activities like spying and nuclear weapons stockpiling, which he says risk making the Philippines a target for Chinese aggression.

Ending the VFA could hurt Washington's future interests in maintaining an Asia-Pacific troop presence amid friction over the presence of U.S. personnel in Japan and South Korea and security concerns about China and North Korea.



'WE MUST HAVE A SAY'

Some Filipino senators sought to block Duterte's move soon after news of it broke, arguing that without Senate approval he had no right to unilaterally scrap international pacts it had ratified.

"We must have a say on this important matter," said Senator Richard Gordon.

Some lawmakers are concerned that without the VFA, two other pacts would be irrelevant, namely the 2014 Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement made under the Obama administration, and a 1951 Mutual Defence Treaty.

Those cover dozens of annual military training exercises and broaden the access of U.S. forces and equipment to the Philippines, as well as bind the two countries to defend each other from external aggression.

Supporters of the agreements argue they have deterred Chinese militarization in the South China Sea and $1.3 billion of U.S. defense assistance since 1998 has been vital in boosting the capabilities of under-resourced Philippine forces.

Philippine nationalists, however, say the United States did nothing to stop China building islands in the South China Sea equipped with missiles, and say the VFA is lopsidedly favorable to Americans, including the granting of immunity from prosecution for U.S. servicemen.

Duterte, who favors closer ties with China and Russia, pressed ahead with the termination despite a Senate hearing on the VFA last week during which his senior generals and defense and foreign ministers spoke in favor of it.

rebtop
  2/11/2020 18:18 EST

Love. I agree. Let’s be honest. An Even a smaller percent of rapes are done by illegal immigrants.

rebtop
  2/11/2020 18:21 EST

Love.. tRump reminds me of a rotten peachy.. Wewill call him peachy from now on. Peachy for reelection. :-)

rebtop
  2/11/2020 18:25 EST

The only candidates i would consider voting for are Bloomberg, Klobucher or Buttigieg. In that order.

rebtop
  2/11/2020 18:27 EST

Love .. you have a point about the dumb democrats. Waste of time. I tried not to believe they wanted to undo the will of the people. But i was in denial.

LarryKar
  2/12/2020 00:22 EST

Dark: VFA...Thank you for your exhaustive report. Interesting in happened to catch Panelo on the 11am ANC news today. For the first time ever I thought even he was having a bit of trouble parroting what DU had said about the VFA Cancellation. Just didn't sound convinced himself that it was a good thing.

LovePhilly
  2/12/2020 06:28 EST

Well Reb, at least you are a good moderate dem. Anyway, this is gonna come down to Bernie and Bloomberg. The other moderate dem candidates just won't be able to keep up with his spending and they will all fall out. Bernie has a loyal army and his socialists will stand by him til the end.

All the divisiveness will help peachy in the end.

mootpoint20
  2/12/2020 13:08 EST

Tlallan?...……. That's the best I can remember of how to spell your name.. But few caught your interesting comment..."SUG fell from a tree, still buzzing around, still smoldering in town. Ah! What a moron...what a clown. I remember in the Barnum and Baily circus how they use to squeeze eight of him in a tiny little Kar. Whew!

LovePhilly
  2/12/2020 15:00 EST

And as I predicted a few days ago... Trump proposed a budget that reduces the deficit and didn't touch social security or medicare and bam! The House Dems rejected it.

Don't tell me about the deficit under Trump.

rebtop
  2/12/2020 18:12 EST

Love.. you may be right about peachy benefiting from this fight. Bernie is like tRump. He fights like crazy with no real purpose but to win at any cost. I can never vote for him

LarryKar
  2/12/2020 18:21 EST

LovePhilly Re: Trump's Budget Have you considered writing for Hannity? The Presidents budget, no matter who the President is at the moment, is never accepted on face value. It is a Wish List proposed budget. Only a Dictator gets to run it through already rubber stamped. Oh wait....

rebtop
  2/12/2020 20:53 EST

Love.. And i thought tRump was stupid.
Did you actually read his budget? Not just some redacted transcript that he is so ready to provide.

More tax cuts mean higher deficits. Your kids and my kids and grandkids will pay for this s*** their whole life. Who is going to pay for this insanity immediately? You and me. The non-rich. Who will benefit from this fantasy, tRump and his people. The trickle down economy is magical. Just ask Bush Jr. the other genius. It took Obama 6 years to dig us out of that morass. And who won? Bankers and wall streeters. Am i wrong????

tombalita1
  2/12/2020 21:57 EST

Reb, tax cuts have stimulated and grown the economy. Look at what it’s done in the last 3 years. More people working, more people paying taxes. It’s not rocket science, Its worked every time it’s been done, but somehow the Dems want to raise taxes.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 05:34 EST

Tom. Draw an economic timeline. Or look one up. Plenty out there. I think some tax cuts are fine. And tax increases are also. Bush Jr and his war monger buddies cut taxes. Then started a $1,000,000,000 war. What happened a couple of yeas later? There is always a cause and effect.
Seems like the republicans always cause the problems and the democrats effectively fix them. And now we have an AH doing something even worse. I truly wonder if we can survive this..

tlallen59
  2/13/2020 05:35 EST

Rebtop your cornbread is not done in the middle pal.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 05:49 EST

T. I do not eat cornbread so i would not know.
In all honesty, my philosophy of life is to live the best i can. Let others do the same. Our on-line persona is usually somewhat different than if we talked face-face.
I have no use for mean and vindictive people. The ones who know it all and try to impose their will on others. Most politicians fall into this category. Some more than others. The present POTUS falls far into this bucket. The kind of person who will poke you in the eye and gloat about it. I knew him when i lived in NJ. He is actually worse now.

LovePhilly
  2/13/2020 06:34 EST

In life the truth is never black and white, it is grey... somewhere in the middle. I believe strongly in conservative philosophy but I also believe politicians on both sides are puppets of the wealthy 1% and play all the rest of us. They keep us busy arguing among ourselves to keep our minds off the 1%.while protecting the extreme wealth.

LarryKar
  2/13/2020 06:43 EST

Love Philly: Your post "In life the truth is never black and white, it is grey.." Hit it perfectly. Beyond the 1% we also fall victims to the " OMG The Sky is Falling Media". Not exactly fake news but slanted enough to make sure we tune in tomorrow. Stay strong guys.

tombalita1
  2/13/2020 06:57 EST

Reb,
It depends what the timeline is measuring. I’ll be the first to admit that we’ve been in needless wars and spent way too much, especially in death and wounded lives. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about has been alive and well although I think DT wants to get us out. Regan put us deeper into debt his first few years. But then the 15% interest rates under Carter came down, and Regans defense spending forced the collapse of the Soviet Union and the greatest economic growth in history 1983-2000. Unfortunately, the tech bust of late 2000, early 2001 devastated the economy for several years. Then forcing banks to give mortgage loans to those who could never pay them under the guise of fairness, put the economy in a tailspin again. Now we are running on all cylinders. The policies of DT are growing the economy by leaps and bounds, even though some are trying to talk it down. Stop all the needless regulation, get out of the way and let the free market run. It’s worked every time it’s tried. Just my thoughts from observing the last 40 years.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 06:59 EST

Love we agree more than we disagree. We are being used by both parties. Those parties are entrenched in our world and there seems no way to extricate their influence. They are hopelessly far right and far left. No compromising. Bernie and tRump are on opposite sides of the scale. Neither one should be in power. Is this what we have become as a nation? Yep.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 07:08 EST

Tom.. Many things you say are true. Until you reach the point of attributing current “success” to tRump . And blaming Carter for interest rates. Carter did that on the advise of the FED. Inflation was rampant. 20% interest on loans. Ford preceded him. And damn near caused the collapse of our country. Please drill deeper before you give credit to where it is not due. And denigrate those who do not deserve it.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 07:11 EST

Larry... OMG is employed by both sides of the political spectrum. If everyone would just step back and try to be objective, it would be obvious.
WE means our country, not party affiliations.

LovePhilly
  2/13/2020 12:36 EST

"Divide and Rule" was first introduced to the battlefield by Machiavelli however, it's been applied throughout history in politics beginning in Rome and later applied hundreds if not thousands of times by various nations. Keep us divided to keep our minds off of the ruling elites.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 18:50 EST

Love. Another thing we agree on. Divide and conquer. As practiced by tRump
TU

LovePhilly
  2/13/2020 19:54 EST

Well Reb, I think maybe you missed my point. I'm talking about the real elite. The old money people swimming in wealth. They use the various politicians. They would NEVER be politicians. Trump is just another puppet they use. Just like all the Dems.

rebtop
  2/13/2020 20:05 EST

Love.. I guess we agree more than i thought.

These last set of tax cuts did not help US. The tax rate for corps were dropped way down with the promise that the savings in taxes would be used to build the businesses here in the states and not be used for share buyback. Just like tRumps promises, they were lies.
Big buy backs took place. And with the explanation of My Bad.
He wants to be part of the 1% so bad he is selling our country out to the highest bidder.

tombalita1
  2/14/2020 00:18 EST

Obama did a great job of dividing us after saying he was a uniter. We continue to be divided and I don’t see it ending any time soon. There’s those that believe free markets, self reliance, opportunity and a safety net for those that can’t make it because of mental health problems or a variety of left behind issues. The other side wants to create “victims” that have been told they can’t make it on their own, but government will take of them. Free medical, free child care, free everything! If you make poor choices, no problem, government will rescue you. All this said, the rich are a necessary evil because they will pay for all of this.

tombalita1
  2/14/2020 01:46 EST

Bernie and Trump are indeed on opposite sides. Neither one should be In power?
Unless they are elected by the people as Trump was. If the people elect Bernie, then some be it. Not up to you or me to decide.

rebtop
  2/14/2020 05:53 EST

Tom.. opinion Just like your opinion of who should decide.
My opinion is that neither qualifies to be president. Unless our standards are so low even Kim could be elected. Wait he is.

tombalita1
  2/14/2020 07:05 EST

Reb, agree, November I will be here soon.

darkfader24
  2/14/2020 07:37 EST

Rebtop - "Seems like the republicans always cause the problems and the democrats effectively fix them." Bwa Ha Ha - Were you alive and thinking critically during Jimmy Carter's Presidency - The Misery Index? Followed by Reagan's Prosperous 1980s? Mic Drop......

LovePhilly
  2/14/2020 08:35 EST

This is the fundamental difference between Dems and Republicans:

Dems believe there is only one pie and it's only fair that everyone should have an equal size slice.

Republicans understand pies are created and the amount of pies that can be made are limitless. Those that do the most baking should get the most pie.

In other words, wealth is not fixed or stagnant, new wealth is created every day and those that create it should be rewarded as it benefits us all.

Example: John Chambers of Cisco Systems (from WV by the way) built the internet architecture that most of the world uses today. We wouldn't be communicating like this without it. If he were offered the same piece of pie as everyone else, he wouldn't have worked so hard to develop this internet that we now all enjoy.

darkfader24
  2/14/2020 18:20 EST

Love - That is a great comment and example!!!

rebtop
  2/14/2020 18:50 EST

Dark.. did you read my post? Or are you like tRump and read the cliff notes. Or looks at pictures.
Carter came into office following
Ford and Nixon. Both Repugs.. Can you agree with this? He came into the worst inflation in US history which he did not cause. 20% interest rates. Can you agree with this? He saved the economy by taking drastic actions and paid the price. Can you agree with this? Repugs got back in. The cycle repeats. Can you agree with this? If did not agree with all of my positions, you are a confirmed moron.

rebtop
  2/14/2020 19:11 EST

Love .Stick your pie in your eye.
Labels.. Labels Labels. The tRump way. That guy is an imbecile.
I have a problem listening and accepting most of those stupid comments.
Dems want an expanding pie. Repugs want to give it all to their gods, the rich, because they cannot think for themselves. Duh.. What would trump or Hannity do/want. Go ahead. Try to defend yourself.

rebtop
  2/14/2020 19:15 EST

Love.. OH. tRumps people in WV. Over 20% are on food stamps and other govt support. tRump is going to cut those programs drastically. Can you imagine making these people work for this welfare?

Go ahead and disagree.

LarryKar
  2/14/2020 19:36 EST

Love Philly "John Chambers of Cisco Systems" his drive to develop the architecture of the internet was for " more pie". Then I'm old enough to remember Dr Jonas Salk who refused to patent his vaccine as it was his gift to the world. Some humans transcend your greed.

LovePhilly
  2/14/2020 22:04 EST

Larry, that's an apple and oranges comparison. Life saving measures are somewhat different although he deserved profit from his work.

You know this and I do also.

LovePhilly
  2/14/2020 22:14 EST

Here Reb,

You won't read it both because you are ignorant and probably because you cannot read however, if you will you will find WV has 19% on food stamps. If you read the analysis I'm posting, you will find it much lower than the national average. Again, take your negative stereotypes and stick them up your A$$.

https://statisticalatlas.com/state/West-Virginia/Food-Stamps

LovePhilly
  2/14/2020 22:18 EST

And thank you Dark.

LovePhilly
  2/14/2020 22:25 EST

And Reb, you never want to discuss the topic. You bring Trump hate into everything. I'm not sure that you are not Chinese yourself. All you do is talk negative shlt about my President. You couldn't have a discussion about baking a cake unless you said Trump adds too much flour.

You have sincerely lost your mind and I hope you have a very understanding Filipina that will care for you. You are probably an ass to her also giving us all a bad name.

darkfader24
  2/14/2020 23:47 EST

Dear Reb - Trump doesn't just want the pie for himself and his Pals. The irrefutable evidence is more African Americans are off of Food Stamps and working, than ever in our recorded history. Having a job and providing for one's self greatly boosts self-esteem and morale - and helps undermine the Gang Culture. We WANT More African Americans contributing, than killing each other and ending up in caskets. "Boyz in The Hood" - right? More Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans (Yay! My People) in the Work Place. Everyone benefits. No, we won't all end up Millionaires, but at least we can work - and those with ambition, sweat equity and talent MAY become quite wealthy. If you've never seen the great Biopic Movie with Will Smith - please check out "The Pursuit of Happiness" - about a homeless African American who literally becomes a Multi-Millionaire by working harder and smarter - with great integrity. A True Story that is very inspiring! I wish they would show it school classrooms.

phonedoctor1
  2/15/2020 03:47 EST

i have noticed this for a while all he is does is spew Trump hate anjd vileness, nd somehow he seems to hget it into almost EVERY post ... it is called TDS or Trump Derangement Syndrome !

tlallen59
  2/15/2020 04:43 EST

Lovephilly and a few others, Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with these guys. To call 60+ million people morons and deplorable makes my point for me. Donald Trump is not perfect but he is a hell of a lot better than any of the fake people they are have running. Because of the way they treat everybody that doesn't think and believe what they do he will win in a land slide. Just look at all the underhanded crap they pull because they can't legitimately win a election on ideas and policies. The more you people call us and him names the better it will feel when he shoves it up your a$$ in November.

LarryKar
  2/15/2020 06:07 EST

tlallen59 You scared? You sure sound scared. Calm down you will be fine soon as Bernie gets the Re-education Camps going we will recommend you for an immediate spot.

tombalita1
  2/15/2020 07:17 EST

Love, Dark, Tlallen, others and especially Reb:
Woke up 6am here on the East Coast. After reading all the posts, I'm tired of the lies and especially the revisionist history Reb. Some policies affect the economy fairly quickly, others take a while and sometimes spread over presidencies. Jimmy Carter? Please! I was there during 15% interest rates. I didn't have any money to save as my friends brought long term CD's. They benefitted, but I don't hate them for it, just as I don't hate people for opposing political views. In fact, I don't hate anyone! Unlike the supposedly tolerate Left, who hate if you don't agree that climate change is the biggest problem facing us, or Medicare for All is the solution to health care. I was there in Bahrain (U.S. Navy) when Ronald Reagan took the oath of office and the hostages in Iran were released after 444 days in captivity. The Ayatollah knew Ronaldus Magnus meant business. Ask a hostage how the 444 days of captivity was under the previous administration of who? The deficits of 1981 and 1982 while Reagan boosted the defense budget to rebuild the military and DEFEAT THE SOVIET UNION AND END THE COLD WAR.
Then we saw the longest period of prosperity ever 1983-2000 under Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton.
I've read the haters here, and they're all on the other side. If you support the likes of Bernie, AOC, Maxine Waters, Schumer, Pelosi,
DiBlasio and the list is long, good luck to you. Unlike you, I don't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. I don't agree with all the tweets, the arrogance, and some of the personal attacks, but I'm so very happy that when I wake up every day that Hillary is not our president! I'm just tired of this. But thank GOD that DT is still there and not tired of it after all the attacks and attempts that would have brought down any other Republican down.
This is what REALLY angers the Left: they have not been able to take Trump out after trying everything in their playbook and more. Must be frustrating.
I'll talk to some of you by private message. For others, get over yourself and enjoy the prosperity of the last 3 years. Tom in Virginia signing off for the last time.
TRUMP 2020 !!!!

rebtop
  2/15/2020 08:37 EST

Tl.. this last post about how bad the progressives are and how great regressives are is an example of myopia. tRump uses the power of MY purse to exploit the vulnerability of other nations who need our help for his personal enrichment. Then lies about it. Gets caught and lies again. At the end when all paves to justice are closed, he admits it and says IT is for the good of the country. And trumpies accept it. Shameful.

rebtop
  2/15/2020 08:53 EST

Tom.. Revisionist history told by a tRumpist.

A real patriot supporting a draft dodger. Good job.

I do not support S, W, or those that are too far left. I consider myself centerist.

I served my country also. And this AH we have for POTUS will destroy everything i fight for.

Robertdav298
  2/15/2020 20:40 EST

TOM......wonderful post and spot on.

Also, the DOJ is the swamp in sync with the corrupt judges. Thankfully, AG Barr and special prosecutor Durham are on this like a houndog after a rabbit.

Robertdav298
  2/15/2020 21:20 EST

DARK.......D30 is a loose cannon and often makes knee jerk decisions without fully understanding the consequences. He likes to make bold statements about the US and the West and frequently undermines his Senate. D30's latest strategy is to bolster the relationship with China and Russia while thumbing his nose to the US.
Apparently he has not asked his accountants to provide him with the monetary details of foreign aide provided to the RP by the US. I can tell you that the US provided 175 million in 2015 and another 50 million in military aide.
If D30 wants to piss the US off he should consider the amount of $$$ his governments gets each year. He should also think about the amount of taxable remittances sent home by filipinos each month. These remittances account for over 33% of the Filipino economy. What if the US abruptly announces they will no longer allow filipinos to send $$$ money back to the RP or adopt the Mexico plan which has a huge tax for $$$ being sent back to Mexico.

That is my point about knee jerk decisions, his hatred for the US blinds his thought process.
While his approval rate is high in the RP (mostly because of his strong arm tactics) the world is watching and largely disapproves of his "human rights violations". D30 has publically stated that he could give a damn what the world thinks because they do not live here.

Lastly D30' s romancing with China will ultimately be the demise economically for the RP. I do not fully think he understands COMMUNISM.
Example: look at the protests in HK as they fight for freedom.
China could swarm the RP easily both militarily and economically and who would D30 call for help.......ahhhhh the country he thumbed his nose at, think about it D30.

surfingcebu
  2/15/2020 21:57 EST

Robert- thoughtful post . If DU30 continues down the path not only with he be cut off from the west but also the other western nations that deal with the RP.... as he will be determined as a security risk. The people of this great country will suffer immensely.
Did not DU30 spend time in the USA at one point? What happened there . There must be a story?
I don’t begin to understand the poker game he is playing, but it’s a dangerous one at this point. China occupies his land , with his good graces ... he says really nothing or does nothing. Perplexing indeed.

LovePhilly
  2/15/2020 22:38 EST

Robert and Surf....spot on. Exactly..

DavaoDelSur1
  2/16/2020 02:48 EST

rebtop your wasting your time trying to convince these cultists . To them the end justifies the means. All morality and law is secondary. They feel this is their once in a lifetime chance to reverse American political history.

Even if Trump wins a second term, all can still be reversed by a blue tidal wave in 2024. Who says the Supreme Court is only 9 members. Who says stacked Federal judges can't be realigned and added to. Be careful what you wish for Trumpets. Fed up Democrats and the US majority can play dirty also.
Also I love how they praise Saint Reagan who also most tripled the National Debt. Bush Jr who got the US into endless war and economic ruin only to blame Obama. Their shame has no bounds at the alter of the GOP. How they hate tax and spend but love borrow and spend. rebtop good luck wrestling windmills.

rebtop
  2/16/2020 11:27 EST

RP is in the middle of a war with ISIS. I do not know if i would continue to live there.

rebtop
  2/16/2020 13:16 EST

Davao.. I know . i am just hoping to engage a little, with hope that it might spark some thinking outside of the bubble.

Earnestndeavor
  2/16/2020 17:24 EST

Reb says;
“ i am just hoping to engage a little,”

Probably not much interest in engaging in hatred and bigotry.

Earnie

rebtop
  2/16/2020 17:40 EST

Earnest. You are describing tRump and his people Did you read the posts from his supports?

He is now going to cut SS and Medicaid. His supporters exist on these benefits. PLEASE read his budget proposal. You supporters point out, accurately , that he only can propose the budget, and the house makes the budget.. If this Nov you all get your dream he will make the budget. Careful what you wish for. .

Robertdav298
  2/16/2020 18:53 EST

DT invited D30 to the 2020 ASEAN Summit that will be held in Las Vegas. D30"s camp stated that D30 has no plans to visit the US for anything.

To me this is a blatant snub, he obviously does not want to attend because of the message this would send to both BEIJING and MOSCOW i.e. sleeping with the enemy.

I agree with you Surf, it will not take long before the RP is islolated totally from the West.

Like I stated previously, what would the palace do if suddenly a CHINESE CARRIER GROUP showed up unannouced in "manila bay"?

Robertdav298
  2/16/2020 22:12 EST

REBTOP........this post is for you.

D30 endorsed Donald Trump, "saying he is a good president and deserves to be re-elected"

LarryKar
  2/16/2020 22:17 EST

Robertdav298 And 30 also says China is our friend. I'm not likely to take any endorsement from him.

phonedoctor1
  2/16/2020 22:17 EST

sounds like he is wisening up !

surfingcebu
  2/16/2020 23:42 EST

Remember “China is our friends” OMG!!! . Ask to get your islands back then.....?

LarryKar
  2/17/2020 01:28 EST

Surf: Yes I saw the " China is our friend we have nothing to fear from them" moment on TV. Ghost of Neville Chamberlain 1938 paraphrase but close, " Oh let Hitler have the Sudatenland then he will be satisfied." Some never learn.

darkfader24
  2/17/2020 15:08 EST

Larry - Re: Neville Chamberlin/Hitler - You nailed it. Tragedy repeats itself.

Robertdav298
  2/17/2020 19:24 EST

SURf......LOL......people should not take seriously anything that spews out of this guys mouth....like I said he is a loose cannon.

tlallen59
  2/18/2020 05:51 EST

rebtop your wasting your time trying to convince these cultists . To them the end justifies the means. All morality and law is secondary. You have got to be kidding us smelly Walmart people right? So your ok with colluding with and paying for fake documents to spy on American citizens form foreigners? Using rouge non government servers for official business to avoid government oversight then destroying them when congress wants to know what the hell your doing? Having the FBI exonerate somebody who clearly violated the espionage act by saying she didn't mean to? That's what real obstruction of justice looks like. I could go on and on but its useless as you will just start with your orange man bad crap like you always do. Reality is not in your realm that is obvious.

LovePhilly
  2/18/2020 07:28 EST

Allen, it's almost like they choose a reality they want to believe and just close their eyes to anything that doesn't fit that reality. They watch the Clinton News Network, listen to the spin and that becomes reality. You can't use logic or facts because they don't exist. They just ignore anything that doesn't fit the chosen narrative.

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 07:37 EST

There is no prohibition against ANY religion in the USA, so why are you concerned with a Muslim woman being in Congress? She, if you are talking about Ilhan Omar, is probably one of the most intelligent and patriotic members of Congress.

Maybe you just don't like the fact that she isn't white?

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 07:39 EST

Being an atheist does NOT mean atheism is any kind of religion. It simply means we do not have an unfounded "belief" in a magic sky wizard.

darkfader24
  2/18/2020 16:46 EST

GE - With all due respect - I know that you are talking to someone else here about Congresswoman Omar. Personally, I don't care that she isn't White. My first two girlfriends were Black girls in the Ghetto of South Philadelphia. I am half Native American and half White and am moderately fair complected. People think that I am Anglo. I don't care if she is a Muslim. I totally believe in "Live and let Live." My very BIG problem with her is what comes out of her mouth. She does NOT believe in "Live and let Live." She speaks harshly against Israel, our best ally in the Middle East - a place of true Democracy where the Hebrews totally allow Palestinians and Arabs to conduct business in Jerusalem - and even have an area called "The Arab Quarter". I am aware of the issues. I have a cousin married to an Iranian man and a Palestinian Brother In Law. Both very intelligent, learned, successful, and very nice - and Americans now. She attacks great American Patriots - people who have served in our military - for the very Freedoms that she enjoys and has never fought for. She has the power to help enact laws that govern me. I am far far far more dedicated to The Red White and Blue than she will ever be. I don't believe that she has earned the Right to govern over me!!!!!

surfingcebu
  2/18/2020 17:18 EST

Dark-well stated ! Omar lutes hate before your countries people’s . She should be investigated. We have the in Canada too. Part of the socialist left now .

rebtop
  2/18/2020 18:12 EST

Dark. Israel is not our friend. We are their fiefdom. We grant them $5,000,000,000 annually. Sell them military equipment which they never pay for. But WE sell it to them, as the story goes.. So, you and i contribute to their life style.
Why do ou and your group keep letting yourself get dupped?

surfingcebu
  2/18/2020 18:32 EST

redtop- Isreal never pays for military equipment your country sells them ? Your kidding right ? Thats something the Canadian government would do ... in fact we sold tons of electrical power - which we have tons of - to California - they gassed us . Never paid for it ! This goes back 5-8 years now .....

Surf .

rebtop
  2/18/2020 18:56 EST

Tl. When you bring concrete issues into a discussion, i can connect with you, Most of us do not listen to the other sides argument. I like to argue issues not vague conspiracy theories. Trump said a server exists in the Ukraine. THE HRC server. ALL of the DOJ and FBI say it does not exist. Putin placed that idea in trumps head. Now he and his cultist believe it is there. What do you think?

rebtop
  2/18/2020 19:20 EST

Surf.. Your comment is called deflecting.
Israel is a debtor nation to US.

Period. Stay focused

Robertdav298
  2/18/2020 19:44 EST

DARK, normally I agree we you but as far as OMAR, I have a different perspective.
Omar is from a district in Minnesota that is predominately from SOMALIA. Question is SOMALIA our friend? How many Americans lost their lives in Somalia?
Omar used the system to get elected, she hates Israel and despises the US, because the US supports Israel. Just look at her comments as she refused to acknowledge that her MUSLIM Brotherhood attacked the US on September 11th. I do not care about the color of her skin, I care about her motives akin to TALIB.

I am waiting for the day when people will wake up and realize that MUSLIMS are our enemy, plain and simple. I have personally listened to the chants of "death to america" and watched our flag get burned.

I can tell you sir, that is something I never want to witness again in my lifetime.

rebtop
  2/18/2020 20:09 EST

Robert .. These kinds of myths cannot go uncontested. Who attacked us on 9/11? Who was in NJ and watched Muslims rejoice.

First of all 15 of the 19 attackers were from tRumps friend’s country, Saudi Arabia. 2 from another of tRumps friend’s country, UAE. 1 from Lebanon. 1 from Egypt. NONE from Iraq. Bush attacks Iraq. What is wrong with this picture?
tRump was not in Jersey City,NJ that night to watch any celebration. Another lie.
What is wrong with this picture?

LovePhilly
  2/18/2020 21:33 EST

Reb, the attackers were still all muslims...

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 21:35 EST

Ukraine did not assist Hillary. Don't tell me YOU are so gullible you believe tRump and Putin in making that claim?

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 21:47 EST

Sharia, or any religious law, is forbidden by the Constitution and fearing having it imposed on America is just laughable and stupid.

PS: Atheism is NOT a religion. It is ONLY the lack of a belief in a fictional, magic sky fairy or wizard.

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 21:50 EST

No Philly, we DO NOT "all agree with the message."

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 21:54 EST

Getting rid of Columbus Day and honoring someone honorable would be a good thing. Where on earth did you get the idea that anyone wants to get rid of Thanksgiving? What some people want is an honest rendering of the events behind "The First Thanksgiving."

Nobody has said they want to take Christianity out of Christmas. The fact is that Christmas has become a secular holiday naturally and not by edict. I am an atheist and obviously do not believe in Christ, but I DO say "Merry Christmas" and will continue to do so until I die.

gelynch52ph
  2/18/2020 22:04 EST

I'm only going to address your final points in which you said there are cities in MN & MI that the police won't go...that is a LIE, or at least you are repeating a lie.

Now about everyone in Ilhan Omar's district being Somali; that is essentially more or less accurate. However, MN has a very large population of resettled Somali immigrants, and Somalis like everyone else, tend to try to gather together in communities like themselves.

That has occurred in every country everywhere and forever when large populations emigrate and become immigrants. Chinese always gathered together and created various "Chinatowns." Italians created "Little Italys" Go where Koreans, Vietnamese, Polish or Russians have come and you will always find them concentrated together. That is simple human nature and all you have to do is look around you there in The Philippines. It seems there are always enclaves of white Americans, Brits, South Africans and other expats more or less gathered together.

darkfader24
  2/19/2020 01:12 EST

Robert - I completely agree with you - I think. I guess what you have issue with me is when I said that I don't care that she is a Muslim. I have Muslim friends and extended family members who are completely respectful. The ones that are obviously America haters, freedom haters, people haters - toss them out ASAP. However, if people conduct themselves in a Humane and Civilized manner - this IS America. I cannot deny them to worship as they see fit. When they open their mouths are show their true colors - that's when they need to be in carefully watched - and vetted.

tlallen59
  2/19/2020 05:16 EST

gelynch52ph There were several officials in the Ukraine that were convicted of interfering in the 2016 election for your criminal candidate. You need a different source of information.

tlallen59
  2/19/2020 05:35 EST

More deflection. The server that crowdstrike protected from FBI inspection belonged to the DNC not Hillary because she used bleachbit on hers, and again there are documents to prove everything of which I have provided links to in the past. After years of investigation not one time did the President so called "collude" with any Russians but you people keep pushing that narrative because that's all you have. Just like he said, it's all bullsh!t but if it makes you feel better so be it.

LarryKar
  2/19/2020 06:14 EST

tlallen59 You said "There were several officials in the Ukraine that were convicted of interfering in the 2016 election for your criminal candidate." Beyond Ted Cruz and Rudy what is your source? I spent several minutes checking around and found nothing besides reports that the Ukraine had nothing to so with any interference in US elections. One by a Republican Panel assigned to look into the claims. They found. nothing zero zip.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 06:32 EST

Love. With that logic, all Christians are pedophiles.
The Catholic Church is a pedophile pit. Is and always has been. Wonderful way they treat little boys because they love them.
The Boy Scouts are about to dissolve. They also are a pedophile pit, better pedophile camp. I love their pledge to honor god. While the scout masters sneak into the little boys tents. Honorable Christians, all. I would rather have Muslims.than expose my kids to Christians.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 06:35 EST

I am a believer in Agnosticism. The one true belief. Anyone who is not an agnostic, is a heretic. And you know what Christians do to heretics,

rebtop
  2/19/2020 06:40 EST

Gel. Do I detect logic in your post? Not acceptable. Follow the form. Please. Declare something obviously false. Use idiots for a source and the others on this forum chant in concert.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 06:52 EST

Dark. Devout Christians scare the heck out of me also. Any extremest is scary. And, i think, is capable of almost anything. White supremacists are christians, KKK are christians. I know.. tRump thinks that they are honorable people. But what does tRump know about honor. He is a draft dodger.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 06:56 EST

Tl. Honestly. You know more than the FBI and CIA? OK

tlallen59
  2/19/2020 07:38 EST

This is a left wing publication so you should have no trouble believing it but I have no doubt that you will spin it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

tlallen59
  2/19/2020 07:42 EST

Tl. Honestly. You know more than the FBI and CIA? OK I read you obvious don't and what you do read is from people that do not tell you the whole story just what they want you to believe.

tlallen59
  2/19/2020 07:47 EST

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/publication-of-manafort-payments-violated-law-interfered-in-us-election-kyiv-court-rules.html

LovePhilly
  2/19/2020 09:00 EST

Reb, you are right about the Catholic church, which is why even though I have a deep faith in Christ I don't have a lot of use for religions. The difference is that all Christians openly condemn these actions by the various Priests and work to prosecute them.

When Muslims commit murderous atrocities I don't see many of the Muslim community condemning it. They don't seem to make an effort to police their own. I don't see any Muslim informants coming forward to say, "there is someone in my church that I think might be dangerous".

Final thought..."I am a believer in Agnosticism".

Being agnostic means you neither believe nor disbelieve in the existence of a higher power. You just don't know what to believe.

Earnestndeavor
  2/19/2020 17:48 EST

Reb, you said;
“ Any extremest is scary. And, i think, is capable of almost anything.”

Since you are by far the most extreme Trump hater on the forum, should we fear you?

Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  2/19/2020 18:12 EST

Reb, you have made the following accusation about President Trump on many occasions;

“ He is a draft dodger.”

President Trump was given a medical deferment. Are you able to provide any evidence that the deferment was fraudulent or is this just more of your “Trump hatred” surfacing.

Anxious to see your evidence,

Earnie

rebtop
  2/19/2020 18:36 EST

Love. You do have some redeeming values.
Organized religion is not Christ like. Man made for the leaders of these cults. Who wants to buy a pray cloth for $25? Some do.
I take a great deal of exception with your other suppositions. Do you condemn WN haters? KKK?Did i hear yes? Well your Fuhrer thinks they are decent honorable people. Do you?

rebtop
  2/19/2020 18:50 EST

Tl. Did you read the article? Exposing tRump and his associates? And then realizing they bet on the wrong horse?
Vogel is constantly throwing conspiracy theories out. Not Well respected for this. At least we speak out about these marginal reporters. We take news seriously. Real news not fake news.
There is a problem with Biden. He is very tainted also. Mostly his son, but him also. I cannot support him.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 19:02 EST

Earnest. Probably.
I am trying to save you. Baptize you in the name of all things holy. Save your souls from the dark side. Convert you before your souls are damned to hell forever.
If you followers of idols can be reached, i will reach you.
Amen

rebtop
  2/19/2020 19:09 EST

Earnest. We all know what a draft dodger is. All of us acknowledge he dodged the draft. All of the evidence supports this.

Daddy’s doctor gave him a note to the draft board without ever examinIng him. He had a abnormal bump on his heel? Toe? He destroyed the evidence so we will never know. Meanwhile every honorable person served. Me included.
Draft dodger! Now commander in chief? A daft dodger? Shameful.

Robertdav298
  2/19/2020 19:37 EST

REB, why do you always put everything on DT? We are speaking about MUSLIMS who killed Americans on our soil, thats it, plain and simple.
Are you so blind as to think that given the chance it will not happen again?

Let me give you a simple analogy: There have been many instances over time where a "trained tiger" has attacked and killed or maimed the trainer. Point is, a tiger is a man eater and you can train them all you want and if you are so foolish to believe that the tiger someday will not eat you then you deserve to be eaten.

Point is Muslims hate everyone who is not Muslim. It is in their DNA, just like the tiger and if you are so blind to think that they will not kill you then you deserve to die.

Where were you on September 1, 2001? I was stationed at Andrews AFB, when our fighters were scrambled, so do not attempt to lecture me about our enemies.

As I have said previously, religion is "man made" that is why there are so many religions. Every human being was given "free will" to choose what they believe in. That is why some people are labeled as "heathens" and by definition.....a person who does not belong to a widely held religion (especially one who is not a christian or jew) as regarded by those who do.

Again......reb......it is your choice!

LovePhilly
  2/19/2020 19:50 EST

Nice analogy with the tiger Robert. Very acute.

LarryKar
  2/19/2020 20:00 EST

Robert: First thank you for being " in the air" on 9/11. It was a sad and terror filled day for all of us. Did find comfort knowing that the military sprang right into action. Again thank you in all sincerity. With that said though I have to think your blanket hatred of Muslims almost rivals Rebs hatred of Trump. I had several Muslim employees back in the day. Now they were Bosnian Muslim not Arab but I really cannot fathom I was ever then or ever would be in danger from them. You cannot group everyone of a faith into one basket.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 20:06 EST

Robert. That is not all there is to this discussion. You make blanket statements that are nonsensical. Not a good trait.
Most Muslims denounced the attacks. Totally. Some radicals celebrated poking us in our eye. Revenge, they think.
Some of the most radical sects in the world are in Saudi Arabia., the Wahhabi sect. Sworn enemies of the US. Of the 19 attackers, 16 were Wahhabi. The religion of MBS. And a good friend of tRump and his corrupt family. Not only is tRump a draft dodger but he is a traitor also, Do you still wonder why i disapprove of tRump?

Robertdav298
  2/19/2020 20:24 EST

ANYONE of you DEMS ever run a business, where you had more than 100 employees? If yes then you know the struggles and the regulations that you have to abide in just to break even each month.

So my point is, for a business to grow and increase their bottom line and in the meantime pay their employees:

1) healthcare
2) paid vacations
3) company pension plan
4) paid sick leave
5) maternity leave

There are things that the government can do to help these business's especially the small business's to offset the above.

1) cut government regulations making it easier for time to market i.e. REDTAPE
2) fair trade with foreign governments which helps the GDP
3) reduce the amount of tax the business pays
4) provide government assistance for R and D

These are just of few of the many things that the Trump ADMIN has put in place that attributes to the:

1) rise in the stock market
2) low unemployment while more Americans are working than ever before
3) middle american wages are at an all time high

There are to many things to list here but I think you get my drift.

Now there are those who actually believe that the previous admin......had something to do with this, these same people believe in the "tooth fairy".

Fire away......LARRY......smile

Earnestndeavor
  2/19/2020 20:38 EST

Reb, you said;

“ Earnest. We all know what a draft dodger is. All of us acknowledge he dodged the draft. All of the evidence supports this.”

We don’t all know. We don’t all acknowledge. Once again you have only talking points. I challenge you to provide one shred of evidence that;

Daddy’s doctor’s note was fraudulent.

He destroyed the evidence,

Reb, your opinions are well known. How about some evidence how about some proof. You are great at parroting the leftist propaganda but lacking in original thinking,

Earnie

rebtop
  2/19/2020 20:55 EST

Tl
TU very much for the link to Kyivpost.
Very interesting reading.

I will keep the link for reference.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 21:07 EST

Larry i guess a little hyperbole goes a long way.
My disrespect for tRump knows no bounds.

rebtop
  2/19/2020 21:31 EST

Robert. Somehow i cannot imagine you fit any of the parameters you enumerated.
I had a business, $4.9 in sales in NJ. I started myself. 21 people on my payroll. $980,000 payroll. I sold it to a company In Cincinnati, a republican.. TU. And retired, mostly.
I never worried about trade issues. Way above my small business pay grade. Remember I am the job creator all of you republicans admire.
I paid my fair share of taxes. Not over paid my taxes.
You obviously do not understand how small business works. EVERYTHING I did in my life was paid for by my business. TRIPS, FURNITURE. MEALS. CARS and more. All expensed and reduced my taxes. Small business works this way. It is not what you make but what you spend. Got it?

Robertdav298
  2/19/2020 23:18 EST

REB........congrats on your success you are clearly the exception to the norm.

However; I challenge your ability to read, I said 100 employees and you had how many 21 hmmmm.

This is the last time I will speak to you directly because like I said the other day......you my friend are standing on shore waiting for a ship that has sailed.

GOOD LUCK REB

LovePhilly
  2/20/2020 08:03 EST

Here is a conversation with Reb:

Hey Reb, it's a nice day out.
Reb, "Wait until Trump ruins it with climate change".

Hey Reb, this cake tastes great!
The ingrediants cost more than they used to because Trumps immigration policies.

You get the picture...

rebtop
  2/20/2020 18:41 EST

Love.. Duh. No?

Robertdav298
  2/20/2020 20:57 EST

PHILLY..........nice accurate analogy.

I have decided that I am done responding to any of his posts. Like I said before, fire needs oxygen, without it it will burn out.

darkfader24
  2/21/2020 13:18 EST

Reb - So, ANY Extremest is scary, huh? How's this for an Extremest statement: "I am a believer in Agnosticism. The one true belief. Anyone who is not an agnostic, is a heretic." I wonder who made THAT extremest statement.......

darkfader24
  2/21/2020 13:39 EST

Reb - I became a "Christian" at the age of 17 - and literally started preaching on the streets the next morning. I spent years consuming the Bible edge to edge - especially the Words and Actions of Jesus. He said (among many amazing things) "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Bad Fruit." The KKK - BAD FRUIT. White Supremacists? Very Bad Fruit. God created all. "Red and Yellow, Black and White. They are PRECIOUS in His sight." God created the Hebrew Nation out of basically the Iraqis (Abraham - a Chaldean). The Hebrews weren't a genetically different nation. They were a nation of Faith! White Supremacists and KKK People HATE Jews! What does that have to do with Jesus - a Jew??? These people may label themselves as Christians, but?? Hitler and the Nazis claimed to be Christians. They labeled the Jews as "Christ Killers" - and used that as one excuse, of many, to attempt to annihilate them. So, sorry - the claim of the KKK and WS people being Christian - is about like Satan claiming to be a Christian. Also, please don't forget that the Southern Dems were the Slave Owners, A Dem killed Abraham Lincoln, the KKK were Dems, Jim Crow came out of the Dem Party, Dem Al Gore Senior opposed the Civil Rights Act and refused to vote for it - as did Dem Senator Robert "KKK" Byrd. Byrd was THE "Grand Kleagle" - a Major Officer in the KKK - responsible for recruiting as many as possible into the KKK.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/21/2020 13:39 EST

M Here's a conversation with Trump and his supporters. He is in bed with Putin. No I'm not, fake news. But if I was there's nothing wrong with it. I did it so what, it's not against the law and I"M above the law anyway.
His supporters MAGA, Trump 2020, Hillary did worse, better than socialism, baby killers, the end justifies the means.

darkfader24
  2/21/2020 22:52 EST

DavaoDelSur1 - If you were an intelligent "Ex Head of the KGB" guy - in other words, Putin - who would you want to be the President of the USA? A man who is striking hard bargaining deals with you, opposed you in Ukraine, opposed you in Syria, is building up the US Military, has Green lighted Space Force, took away from you your oil and gas deal with Germany and Europe (which your economy needs so desperately) - and instead transferred it to the USA? Or an American man who spent his Honeymoon in Moscow, says that he loves Russia and the Communist System, loves Castro, and the Chinese Communist Government - in other words - Bernie Sanders. Now, who do you really think Putin wants in the White House? I mean, Really......

LarryKar
  2/22/2020 01:17 EST

dark: Starting to Feel The Bern!

"Now, I'm liberal, but to a degree
I want ev'rybody to be free
But if you think that I'll let Barry Goldwater
Move in next door and marry my daughter
You must think I'm crazy!
I wouldn't let him do it for all the farms in Cuba."
Dylan, I shall be free # 10
but bet you knew that smile

tlallen59
  2/22/2020 04:30 EST

Don't bother darkfader24, orange man bad. No matter what you say or proof you present it's the same old crap with these people because that's all they have. Pretty sad really.

LovePhilly
  2/22/2020 05:52 EST

Preach the word Dark! You are on a role brother! lol. Totally right! Well almost.... one correction.

The late great Senator Byrd was not a Grand Wizard (that is the national leader) in the KKK. He was an Exalted Cyclops which is the leader of a local chapter. He was like the leader of a boy scout troop.

This happened early in his misguided youth and he spent the rest of his life apologizing for it.

LovePhilly
  2/22/2020 05:59 EST

Oh crap! He did hold the title of "Kleagle", whatever that means. I did some reading...Dark you are a smart dude. Wiki-P also says...

Byrd later said joining the Klan was his "greatest mistake," and after his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, acknowledging his former affiliation with the Klan and saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda"

LovePhilly
  2/22/2020 06:06 EST

Check this out...almost all the famous KKK members (not all) were democrats...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

LarryKar
  2/22/2020 06:18 EST

LovePhilly KKK Members. And the only one who was from what is generally considered the modern era was Trumps friend David Duke. Of course he now really does not remember the guy beyond he came by with coffee from time to time years ago. This Democrats in the KKK prior to the 1960's has been worked over more to tedium already.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/22/2020 09:21 EST

They will not Post me here now in repondse to dark.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/22/2020 09:23 EST

They have an algorithm that forbids certain words. No cuss words
were involved. Will not post, what a joke.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/22/2020 09:36 EST

When Trump said he loved his uneducated voters he must of been referring to you guys. Stop trying to inform adults on political history. Get back into your clown car and go entertain kids at a parade.
After WWII blacks who helped to win the war pressed harder for equal rights. In 1948 the mostly white Southern Democratic Party became the Segregationist DogIndiaXrayIndiaEchoCrats Party. In 1964 when the Civil Rights Bill passed under Democratic President Johnson the Segregationist DogIndiaXrayIndiaEchoCrats switched over to the Republican Party.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/22/2020 09:38 EST

Couldn't spell this word without using the military alphabet. D I X I E .

DavaoDelSur1
  2/22/2020 09:53 EST

As far as believing the Russians are again tying to help Trump get elected . I will take the word of our Intelligence Community over that of a pathological liar that our President is. As far as Bernie is concerned, he is seen as the easiest to beat in the Democratic field.

tlallen59
  2/22/2020 14:11 EST

The way you people pull one sentence out of a paragraph and try to make people think that is the way he is is quite disingenuous. You do it all the time and its not a good look to us uneducated people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0

tlallen59
  2/22/2020 14:15 EST

"As far as believing the Russians are again tying to help Trump get elected." Please enlighten us as to what the "again" is. With facts please not feelings.

LarryKar
  2/22/2020 18:17 EST

tlallen59 On providing proof the Russians interfered to help Trump.
Why bother? You will just say Putin said he did not, in spite of almost every Intelligence Agency in the world saying they saw evidence, and you believe him.

Robertdav298
  2/22/2020 18:59 EST

PHILLY........I think DAVAO and REBTOP are related at least their posts anyyway.

I have made the decision not to read or reply to either one.........at least LARRY K has an educated brain

tombalita1
  2/22/2020 22:29 EST

And all the world's intel agencies said Saddam had WMD's.

Earnestndeavor
  2/22/2020 23:26 EST

Larry K-
Imagine that. The Russians wanted us to have;

The strongest economy ever.

The lowest unemployment ever.

The most optimistic outlook for the future ever.

The strongest military ever.

Taking half of their European national gas business.


And now I hear they are interfering in the 2020 election on Trumps behalf. I didn’t know Putin cared so much for the U.S.

Earnie
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DavaoDelSur1
  2/23/2020 01:22 EST

Trump supporters here are like our Filipino hosts. When they don't know the answer they just make stuff up. You guys are going native. Never admitting your wrong and always sticking with your tribe right or wrong.

darkfader24
  2/23/2020 15:47 EST

LovePhilly - Yes, you are right about Byrd. He did realize his mistake as a confused and misled young man. At first I thought his repentance was merely "Politically Driven" as far as his career was concerned - but after reading several of his remarks, it does seem that he did realize that his intolerance and deep prejudice was completely wrong. We all make mistakes, unfortunately, especially as young "Hot Heads". I've made some that I cannot turn the clock back on - and so you do the best that you can to make amends, and ask forgiveness for.

darkfader24
  2/23/2020 16:23 EST

LarryKar - No, seriously here - with all due respect - You say The Russian/Trump collusion thang is not worth commenting on. But why not? If you have evidence/proof - please present it! I am not saying this for arguments sake. All that matters is the Truth. Look, I was a huge Nixon supporter. He did some good things for the Country and some "not so good things". But when he was obviously guilty for the Watergate Fiasco Coverup - I wanted him out. Every intense Republican that I personally knew - wanted him out! We were enraged by his betrayal, first of all to the entire Country, and also to the Republican Party. I found Gerald Ford to be an Honorable and Likable Man - but was angered and disgusted by his exoneration of Nixon. Again, I felt betrayed by the Two Tiers of Justice that has infected America - where the Politicians at the highest levels almost always seem to get off. I'm obviously a "Pro-Trumper" - but IF he is guilty of Collusion with Russia - I want him Tarred and Feathered! Homey don't play dat $h!t. My Undying Loyalty is FIRST to Our Beloved Constitution - the greatest document written for Human Freedom - and also to ALL of the Citizens of this Wonderful Nation! All men, women, children - all races and ethnicities - without Prejudice. Look at some of the Investigations: the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Intelligence Committee, the Mueller Probe - two long years and what? Something like $36 to $40 Mill? The Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the Department of Defense Inspector General - investigating Flynn, the House Financial Services Committee, The NSA, and I think I have heard of one or two more but cannot recall them. Now, IF there was ANYTHING - ANYTHING WHATSOEVER - the smallest shred of evidence - don't you think that Hillary and Adam Schiff and a boatload of other people would be salivating to bring it forward and have A REAL Impeachment?? If there was something undeniable, Trump would be buried. There are way too many powerful people in Washington that Hate and Loathe this man. He wouldn't stand a chance! So again, where's the EVIDENCE?

darkfader24
  2/23/2020 16:31 EST

DavaoDelSur1 -Bro, PLEASE - just show some evidence. My opinion does not matter, neither does yours. You need to address your evidence to Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton. Trust me, they are DYING to take Trump down! They do not only want him out - they want to run him out on a rail, trash him publicly, DESTROY HIM!! The evidence is eluding them no matter how hard they try. I could care less if Putin denies or says "Yes - I colluded with Trump!" His word is worthless, either way. All that matters is what the United States Government's endless and very expensive inquiries bring forth. So far, nothing - to Adam Schiff's dismay......

DavaoDelSur1
  2/23/2020 16:33 EST

Evidence lol, are we the CIA or part of the National security agency? Get real. You're all a bunch of teenage girls with an Orange Crush. Your dream boyfriend can do no wrong.

tombalita1
  2/23/2020 17:00 EST

Not a good answer for "where is the evidence?"

DavaoDelSur1
  2/23/2020 17:21 EST

You Trumpers are like the OJ jury . No matter the evidence, it isn't enough. Nothing would be enough. Not even video evidence. If Trump said the Earth was flat. You would all become Flat Earthers.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/23/2020 18:02 EST

If there was no evidence against the Trump administration, how come so many of them were convicted? If there was so much evidence against Hillary, whom I'm not a fan of, were are the convictions?

gelynch52ph
  2/23/2020 18:23 EST

I hate ALL religions, but why do so many of you hate Islam, which is just another iteration of a belief in a magic sky wizard that does not exist?

gelynch52ph
  2/23/2020 18:26 EST

Yes, our immigration system IS broken & needs to be revamped in order to make it easier for people to come into America legally. Unfortunately, the tRump cabal of criminals is trying to stop all immigration, even that of my fiancee I lived with for 3 years before fleeing the sh*thole Failippines.

gelynch52ph
  2/23/2020 18:28 EST

Philly (delphia?) There are reasons for stereotypes, and just because you don't meet the criteria, the reasons and criteria still exist.

surfingcebu
  2/23/2020 18:42 EST

Davao - come come , you know the Clinton's are yankee Royalty . Royalty do not get put in jail ! Your asking bias questions. Be reasonable !

gelynch52ph
  2/23/2020 18:49 EST

"Pro Trumper" translates to TRAITOR!!!

LarryKar
  2/23/2020 19:25 EST

dark keeping it simple Mueller and almost every investigation has found evidence of Russian Interference on behalf of and with some degree of complicity by Trump. He is protected by an untested theory that a sitting President cannot be convicted. With the Supreme Court tilted the way it is and the Senate deaf, blind, and dumb right now it was wisely merely a " not now" decision. Wait till he no longer has the protection of the Oval Office. He knows this and will do anything to delay the day.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/23/2020 19:55 EST

At least Bill Clinton apologized for his Impeachment. Trump who would have been found guilty if there was an impartial jury, double downed on his belligerence.

surfingcebu
  2/23/2020 20:03 EST

Davao - thats because there is nothing to apologize for re- Trump . Simple really .... hypotheticals never work well .

The Clinton's have a ton of things to apologize for to the USA public , from my readings and research .

There foundation have never been audited . Why ?

Tsmslf
  2/23/2020 21:59 EST

As usual, you Trump haters are filled with fertilizer. Mr. Kar, a legal scholar no doubt, declares that a sitting president can't be convicted and calls it an untested theory. In fact, the DoJ has had the legal view for years tat a sitting president can't be indicted. There is a vast distinction between indictment and conviction but the haters know little more than spewing you know what.

LarryKar
  2/23/2020 23:41 EST

Tsmslf I was not addressing you and am beyond sick of your put downs. I never claimed any legal background and question yours Sir. As I've said before I've served on Corporate Boards and had attorney friends and neighbors. None had the time nor inclination to play snide games. They were quite secure in who they were and had no need to. Many involved, from Mueller to the AG to editorial writers have repeated this theory that a sitting President cannot be charged, indicted, or convicted whatever word you would like used. And the fact that it has never been taken as far as the Supreme Court.

LovePhilly
  2/24/2020 00:26 EST

Robert, I'm with you. I'm not going to respond to these libtards anymore. You can't have a rational discussion with them. Ole' Bernie is going to win the nomination and he doesn't stand a chance against the Donald.

When Trump wins (again) it will only be because Russia interfered. Wait for it....they will go nuts here.

tlallen59
  2/24/2020 05:06 EST

Thank you darkfader24 for that post. I am not a very good wordsmith so I let you guys handle it much better than I can. Everything you said is fact based but it will go in one ear and right out the other sorry to say.

tlallen59
  2/24/2020 05:16 EST

gelynch52ph translates into dumb ass.

Tsmslf
  2/24/2020 09:22 EST

Mr. Kar:
I was unaware that a personal message was required before a response could be made.
And if you're tired of my factual put downs of your posts, be more factual or less of a bs artist.
You doubt my legal knowledge? Look me up on the CA state bar site under bar number: 182032 first name is James; last name ends in letter Y
Wow, you served on a corporate board?! How impressive. I was CEO of a public company with 4,000 employees and its chairman as well. Maybe that counts for something.
And in regard to your response, if the difference between indicted and convicted means little to nothing to you, then why would anyone even bother to read your illiterate posts?

rebtop
  2/24/2020 11:04 EST

I am away with limited internet service. Catching up when I can.
It is so interesting to read these posts after a few days. Same old. Same old. TRump university members and everyone else. Intelligence communities don’t know anything. TRump knows more and better informed. Can I guess which group posted that?

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 11:38 EST

And President Trump with all his credentials is a moron also. Congratulations, no wonder you love him so much.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 11:50 EST

Ts there are a lot of republicans with fake credentials. That is how they roll. Not saying your degree is invalid but merely going on line and paying a fee and having a degree with a seal mailed to you does not quite cut it. And claiming a degree from trump university makes it more suspect.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 12:37 EST

Let alone to have the temerity to then brag about it online. Anyone worth their salt online lets their words and arguments carry the day. Anyone spouting "credentials" is most likely a lightweight poser.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 13:19 EST

Tl. You never fail to amaze me. tRup is taking us down a path where this country has never been before. He is destroying a functioning government piece by piece. The intelligence community first. And then congress. Most checks and balances are now gone.
What do you think tRump will do if he not reelected? What will you do?
This is s a very sincere question for, not just you but, all tRump supporters.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 14:17 EST

I'M still getting used to Bernie even though I like most of his policies. It looks like his youth vote is killing the Democratic field. Assuming this trend continues and there is a decent turnout this November, Trump is gonna get smoked.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 14:25 EST

Love i guess my confusion with supporters of tRump is what are you expecting to be the outcome of the war he started? Are you looking for annulation of the enemy? Fellow citizens? It seems he, and you by extension, have embraced the credo of win at any cost. What If you lose? War at any cost? This situation is truly getting scary to normal Americans.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 14:31 EST

Davao. Young people do not vote. At least in the numbers needed to overcome the old mentally challenged people who support tRump, like old this forum. Trump has dementia. He has a hard time with words other than Great, Perfect, ETC. He does not even know where Kansas City is.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 14:41 EST

Surf the reason you have found nothing in your research of the Clinton Foundation is you do not know how to search. Try using Google. IT works all the time. I found plenty of information about the tRump foundation and charity. All of it bad. Fines and the disallowing of him to ever form a charity again because of his fraud and deceitfulness. All characteristics republicans look for in their candidates.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 15:35 EST

Tommy. Tommy. Sorry, i am still catching up. The worlds intelligence agencies did not say Iraq have WMD. See, all republicans make things up.
Chaney and Powell and Wolfowitz said they had WMD. This is why the coalition consisted of very few countries, including the poodle, Blair.
Intelligence missions to Iraq said they have no evidence of WMD. Like now, republicans lied to “prove” their case. Some things never change.

LarryKar
  2/24/2020 17:40 EST

Tsmslf: Love when egomaniac Trumpets prove exactly what you pointed out about them. And they still dont get it. OH MY!

darkfader24
  2/24/2020 17:51 EST

DavaoDelSur1 - What were they convicted of? Not one thing related to the Russian Collusion Probe. If it was paying off Strippers or eluding taxes - those are different matters. And THAT's what this discussion is about. I'm not interested in Trump's traffic tickets or alleged "affairs" when he was not the President. In regards to Mrs. Clinton - I invite everyone to refresh their memories as to statements by James Comey admitting that she lied about many things to the FBI. Flynn lied a little bit and is in Jail - and it had nothing to do with Trump & Russia. She lied a lot and is walking Free. I wonder why that is? YouTube Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opPh9uG29cQ

darkfader24
  2/24/2020 17:57 EST

ge: I don't hate Islam - but I DO fear the Fundamentalist Extremists. I don't have to say why - it's so obvious. However, I don't even hate them. I love all free and innocent people - and would use any power that I had to kill a person who wants to kill or hurt any innocent person, especially a family member. I also applaud anyone who takes these people out - when they are caught in the act. I know that you hate Islam. You admitted that you hate ALL religions.

darkfader24
  2/24/2020 18:07 EST

Larry - If Mueller found something, then why didn't he say so? He didn't exonerate because he had no Legal Precedent to do so. He isn't as Judge. He is an Investigator. He never once came out clearly and said "President Trump is guilty of xxxx 0r yyyy." He just left it there. Is the man with credentials so impeccable and Integrity of the Highest Order that the Washington Establishment WANTED him to lead the Investigation "A TRAITOR"? After all, shouldn't he have told the American People and Congress if there was a Stain on Trump's Blue Dress - with DNA to prove his collusion with Russia? Mueller's all important reputation, built over his Professional Lifetime, is now forever tarnished and no one gives a Bleep what he has to say anymore.

surfingcebu
  2/24/2020 18:08 EST

redtop- you made my morning despite the DOW index and the lost jobs as a result.

I have 3 degrees , dont let my typo's fool you . you dont know who you are dancing with - pick your partners more carefully. For a keyboard warrior I thought you would be better than you display . I know how to research . Google, for a core research tool, is for....hmmmm, let say , the simple . Not surprised you you it ! HA!!! :)

im being polite here . you wont get a second chance . :)

darkfader24
  2/24/2020 18:14 EST

Reb - and what about all the voters that voted for Clinton and Barack? Basically the same voter base, same Americans. Some old people have died, and some new comers have entered our voting world, but the vast majority of those of voting age in 1992 were still around in 2016.

darkfader24
  2/24/2020 18:17 EST

Davao - and what credentials do you have? What credibility? Why should anyone listen to you? Or me, for that matter? If credentials don't mean anything, what's the point of our discussions here? If we all think of each other as sailors on a Ship of Fools and not worth each other's time, why are we wasting any time whatsoever talking with each other?

surfingcebu
  2/24/2020 18:22 EST

Davao - simple economics AND history , if Bernie got in interest rates would to go 10% + and inflation to 8% right of the top. Unemployment would triple. Capital would scatter from the country like rats on a sinking ship.

China would get real aggressive knowing the USA military will not spend on defence .

Need I go on ?

socialism is a disaster anywhere in the world its tried .

surfingcebu
  2/24/2020 18:26 EST

....more Liberal keyboard warriors . nothing new here . I thought they were such a "reflective , Diverse, inclusive lot " HA!!! worse on line bullies going !

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 18:56 EST

Sir before we discuss anything we must exchange credentials. I'M sorry sir but your credentials aren't enough for me, you need to proceed to carriage class. We royals can't mix with mere trash. We must have our standards. This scenario must roll around in Surf's must have credentials skull.
Surf as far as Bernie ruining the US economy. I think Northern Europe is doing just fine. Their quality of life is rated higher than ours, if that is ruin, sign me up.

LarryKar
  2/24/2020 19:33 EST

Davao: You said "Anyone spouting "credentials" is most likely a lightweight poser". EXACTLY what I have tried to say. Or another way...

"Bragging is often merely a ladder we build for ourselves out of words when we are afraid we are not tall enough in the eyes of the world. It is an unwitting confession to low self-esteem."

P. M. FORNI, Choosing Civility

Robertdav298
  2/24/2020 19:34 EST

surf.......you do not see me jumping in the fray.....do you?
My cup is full, with that guy? Need I say more....join me;)

Robertdav298
  2/24/2020 19:38 EST

PEACEKEEPER.........Glad you considered not closing this thread.......we now have 488 posts and growing. Is that a recored of some sort?

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 19:47 EST

Robert, PEACEKEEPER.........Glad you considered not closing this thread.......we now have 488 posts and growing. Is that a record of some sort?

NO last political thread was 1231. I think this website would like more participants then number of entries by a few Individuals.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/24/2020 19:51 EST

To all of you Trumpers dropping out of this discussion due to the lack of love for your Dear Leader. May you dry your crocodile tears with your worn out panties.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 20:20 EST

Surf. Wow. U and tRump are better together. Why have economists or historians? Just dial you up. Morally responsible person equals disaster. As history tells us morally lacking republican presidents equal economic and social disasters. Don’t have to go back far. Who gave us the 08 meltdown? or the 03 Iraq war? Didn’t mean to throw you a softball. I will give you a harder question next time.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 20:46 EST

Dark.. I would like to answer the question and comment you posed about Mueller’s investigation. The Washington Establishment, as you called them, was tRumps own acting Attny General Rosenstein when Attny General Sessons did the honorable thing and recused himself. Honor which tRump knows nothing about. Draft dodger that he is. Mueller’s report was given to the, now disgraced, Attny General Barr. Who promptly redacted the hell out of it and presented it to a legitimate house panel as the report. It was too confidential for them to see the original report, he said.
Heads then began to roll. What a class act we now have as POTUS and the rest of the swamp. Proud you’ll must be.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 21:47 EST

Dark. All fundamentalists extremists are to be feared. Agreed. But why just islamists? How about other religions and groups? Read a report about mass murders and who they are. And their motives. Some are just insane. Others are Christian devotees, anarchists, seditionists, religious cults and other like manner of scum. All kill vulnerable civilians including abortion providers and church members.

rebtop
  2/24/2020 22:09 EST

Dark..just read your defense of tRump and Russia.
opposed, hard bargain, military industrial complex enabler, took away a contract. You copied this from Faux News right? How about betrayal our Kurdish allies allies in Syria, complacent in Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s country, Forgot these and many more i see.

tlallen59
  2/25/2020 05:35 EST

darkfader24 nice video post. Notice every time facts are presented it's right back to the CNN talking points that we debunk over and over again. It's like arguing with a stop sign.

LovePhilly
  2/25/2020 09:31 EST

Doesn't matter what they say here... the Democratic Party is completely split between moderates and a communist who will likely get nominated. When the general election gets here, the moderates will not vote for a communist, they will vote for Trump.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 12:09 EST

Ti since i did not see a video i have to assume it is more fake, altered media.
You tRumpsters never cease to amaze me. You make stuff up and other tRumpsters reference your fake news as proof of their fake news.
Called a circle jerk, if i am not mistaken.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 12:22 EST

Love.. I guess you are correct on several points. Bernie is a lost cause for democrats.
Bu the market is dropping so fast that this should be a concern for republicans. The reason is no one has any confidence in tRump handling this crisis. He destroyed most of the agencies tasked with handling this type of health issue. Since he knows more than doctors why not trust him? Heck he told us all of the marines hit by the Iranian missile had headaches. Why are they in the hospital with headaches? Marines are getting soft not able to cope with DBI.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 12:27 EST

Dark.. your analogies are so lame, like most tRump supporters claims.
So if three guys rob a store and one kills someone and is convicted of murder. But the other two are convicted of accessories they were not part of the killing?

darkfader24
  2/25/2020 16:10 EST

Dear Davao - "May you dry your crocodile tears with your worn out panties." - Davao - I am indeed drying my croc tears with worn out panties! My tears are tears from your comment. Even though I disagree on almost everything that you feel, I thought this comment was very clever and quite funny! Thank you! BTW - The worn out panties aren't mine - but those of an incredibly Gorgeous (and extremely busty) Little 23 Year old Pinay that I fortunately am now engaged to. OMG - I can't wait to wear her panties out a little more (I pass out and hit my head on the floor!!)

darkfader24
  2/25/2020 16:18 EST

Dear Larry - What you commented to Davao doesn't really work. Here's why: You say, quite wisely, that Bragging is merely a ladder we build for ourselves, etc.... Very true. And you are commending Davao. But there's a little problem, because Davao had just Bragged and put down others by saying (and I quote): "Sir before we discuss anything we must exchange credentials. I'M sorry sir but your credentials aren't enough for me, you need to proceed to carriage class. We royals can't mix with mere trash." I think in this statement that Davao is participating in exactly the kind of talk that you just criticized. This is SOP for "The Left". It is just as George Orwell said in Animal Farm. Those that perceive themselves as the Ruling Class have this viewpoint: "Yes, All of us are equal, BUT - Some of us are MORE EQUAL than others!"

darkfader24
  2/25/2020 16:24 EST

Dear Reb - Nope. I copied it from NPR - not exactly Fox News or any other Right Leaning Rag. So, now can you see your own Bias? You assumed that it was "Fake", when it actually came from "The Left". Many things that I copy come from CNN, or whoever. Usually items come from whoever comes up first on Google - although I will read 2 or 3 sources. I look for the story that seems to be addressing the story more directly instead of Rabbit Trailing.

darkfader24
  2/25/2020 16:26 EST

tlallen59 - Thank you for going and actually watching the video. It is quite interesting - and telling.

darkfader24
  2/25/2020 17:23 EST

RebTop - Your comment to Surf over in the other thread was "Surf.. You confuse me again. So Russia is our friend now? While annexing parts of Ukraine? And tRump withholding military supplies until he agrees to investigate the Biden’s? That Russia?" You do realize that the money was delayed only 7 to 14 days, right? And, also, Trump had very clearly stated that he didn't want anything from the Prez of Ukraine - and in fact, we actually did get nothing. Sondland before Congress: "I believe I just asked him an open-ended question, Mr. Chairman. “What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want?” And it was a very short, abrupt conversation. He was not in a good mood, and he just said, “I want nothing! I want nothing! I want no quid pro quo! Tell Zelensky to do the right thing. (In regards to the Ukranian corruption in the previous Administration). Also, before Congress, Kurt Volker and Morrison. Both of them were on the call with Trump. Both of them were on the Ukraine call. Both of them had firsthand knowledge of Ukraine decisions, and they both testified under oath that there was no bribery and no quid pro quo, and that aid was not held up as a bargaining chip. The major context that’s missing — Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole under the previous president, not Zelensky, but the president prior to him. During the Obama administration, Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole. And it was during that era that Biden arranged the deal with Burisma for Hunter, his son, which was $83,500 a month, over a Million dollars a year. And Hunter knows ZIP about natural gas or energy. So during that period, Russia had attacked Ukraine. We did not provide any aid whatsoever, despite being obligated to do so. The Obama administration refused to help Ukraine as Russia came in and literally took one-third of it, with no opposition. We had made a deal with Ukraine: If you will disarm to make Europe safer we’ll come to your defense if you’re attacked.
They disarmed. Russia attacked them to annex Crimea. The Obama administration did not come through with any aid. Damn Facts - they SCREW everything up! So, Trump does not want to perpetuate corruption and all kinds of dangerous stuff being done with U.S. money. It makes perfect sense that he would ask for some sign that they were serious about reform before providing U.S. aid — which was ultimately provided, by the way. So the context of this is that Trump knows he’s been dealing with a regime, a nation that has just been led by a very corrupt bunch that’s been voted out. He wants to make sure that they are serious about cleaning things up - and he holds up the money for a bit - then gives it to them - no quid pro quo. Question: Why did Joe Biden hold up the Billion $$$? There was a Ukrainian State Prosecutor looking into Burisma, it's possible corrupt dealings, and included in the investigation was Joe's son, Hunter. Joe and Hunter were very concerned and he wanted that Admin to get rid of this Prosector: "And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired." As The Church Lady might say: "Hmmmmm, well isn't THAT special?"

LarryKar
  2/25/2020 18:01 EST

rebtop: Video....never saw it either. Maybe it's filed away with Trump's Tax Return, on a secret server in the Ukraine, or you must show your MAGA Decoder Ring to gain access.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 18:50 EST

Dark. I did not see the video. But because of who you are, i naturally assumed the worst All tRump supporters do this. So apologize for assuming the obvious.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 19:01 EST

Dark long post. I do not know where to start. But for starters, tRump is a pathological liar. Can we agree on that? Now to use his lying comments as proof that he did not commit a crime is the same as asking J Dahmer did you kill anyone. His answer is “NO, not one”

rebtop
  2/25/2020 19:03 EST

Dark and about Biden, he is a POS also.

Robertdav298
  2/25/2020 19:08 EST

DAVAO.......why are you answering a post that was not directed to you.......?

Like I said before you and SUG/GOSLIG are twins.

LarryKar
  2/25/2020 20:39 EST

dark: Truth actually I was just using Davao as an excuse to post a good quote. Still burning over the attack of the Molting Legal Eagle the other day. Smile

Earnestndeavor
  2/25/2020 20:53 EST

Robert I have decided to join you and no longer respond to the village idiot or his understudy. ( I’ll let you decide which is which).
I’m hoping peacekeeper will step in and correct this foolishness. These two are spreading their hatred to all threads and offer absolutely nothing of value to the forum. Neither live here and at least one has written of his dislike for the Philippines and vowed to never return.. I see no reason to allow these haters to continue to post.
Respectfully, Earnie

rebtop
  2/25/2020 21:09 EST

Ernie. Thin skinned are we? Sometimes facing the truth is almost unbearable. In my role as iconoclast i tend to bother worshipers of false gods and idols like the orange person you worship. Obviously you do not know your Ten Commandments. One, two and nine come to mind.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/25/2020 21:48 EST

I see our heroes are popping yellow smoke and turning tail. That's how you can expect to perform under Cadet Bone Spurs phony leadership.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/25/2020 21:59 EST

You have an extremely lame argument when you resort to working the refs. I'M right and if you don't believe me whaaaaaaaa.

rebtop
  2/25/2020 23:00 EST

Dav.. These guys are so funny. They just don't get it.
tRump is about to take away their SS and they don't care. The least he is proposing is to make it into an annuity or 401K.

If a 401K and the market continues to do what it is doing, they will applaud the orange one and thank him for cutting the budget.
How dumb can you be?

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 03:10 EST

dark that was a sarcastic comment directed at you Mr. credentials himself. You need to reread the part about "scenario rolling around in his skull", which was improperly addressed to surf.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 03:18 EST

dark thanks for the compliment. It's easy to keep a much younger beauty overseas, try that in the USA and see what happens. If your lucky you will just have to wait your turn.

tlallen59
  2/26/2020 05:06 EST

C-Span does not alter video. Watch it for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opPh9uG29cQ

darkfader24
  2/26/2020 06:43 EST

Davao - regarding the sarcastic comment directed at me "Mr. Credentials Himself"..... Huh???? I've never posed myself as someone with credentials. I don't have any nor pretend to. I don't promote myself in that manner. I don't really consider myself anything special. I just work my keister off on a daily basis. I hope to retire soon to the RP and get out of this Rat Race - but I'm not too sure these days between all the political hoopla, and Corona 19 scares, et al.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 06:59 EST

So lock them both up. How does that video prove anything positive for Trump? He will get his turn in the barrel if he outlives his office. Nobody here is arguing for Hillary but you clowns keep bringing her up as some pathetic excuse why Trump is good.
At least she answered subpoenas, questions under oath and released taxes and documents. All of which Trump hasn't. Can't wait to see pathological lying Trump testify under oath. With all you slobbering fan boys making excuses.

darkfader24
  2/26/2020 07:00 EST

Davao - Regarding getting a beauty overseas - Oh yes, You are so right. I am too old (almost 66) to be considered by almost all attractive young ladies in the USA. People constantly comment that I look in my mid 40s and I have had some success with women in their early to mid 40s. But it seems that Asian women, coming from a culture that has always had younger women with "successful" and financially stable older men, or Royalty, etc for hundreds of years, just don't seem to mind at all. I have had very frank discussions with several women. The two who are currently VERY interested in me are 27 yrs old and 23 yrs old. The 27 yr old was hilarious, telling me "Don't worry. I'll take care of you, even when I have to change your messy diapers!" Hahaha! We were both laughing but she also very serious! They just think differently than Western Women. Both of these women also know that I have some serious health issues - in particular some kidney trouble due to diabetes. They both immediately offered me one of their kidneys, without skipping a beat! I have had very serious discussions about that - regarding painful operations, etc - and they don't flinch! And what if they need that extra kidney in their older years? All I can say is, When you find a Gem in the Philippines, you have really found a Gem!!

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 07:06 EST

dark you need to read many comments before I wrote that. Your not whom I was aiming at. I try not to get too specific at times. People need to figure out what I'm alluding to sometimes by following the thread closely.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 07:13 EST

Congratulations and I'm aware to most of what your saying. But it only pertains while residing in the Philippines not here in the USA.

LovePhilly
  2/26/2020 09:34 EST

I have no issue with varying political views and discussion but some of these comments about the President of the United States are simply disrespectful. He is MY President and I'm offended.

I also will join Robert and the others and not read those posters.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 11:13 EST

Philly I'M betting most if not all you shedding crocodile tears for trump blasted Obama for 8 years. But yeah I know that was different. Double standards for Republicans with Orange crushes.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/26/2020 11:31 EST

As to finding a real gem in the Philippines. If you really think it's true love bring her to the states with a green card. Then you will really find out in the next year or so. I shake my head when guys say Western Asian women corrupted their relationship. Never acknowledging the previous power imbalance between them.
I'M not saying I'M above a winter spring relationship. I would just be aware of the younger ladies choice between stark poverty and an upper class lifestyle. While the guy was lucky, she was desperate for a better life.
This will make me real popular here :)

Tsmslf
  2/26/2020 12:09 EST

Davao said:"At least she (Hilary) answered subpoenas". Well that's not exactly true. She destroyed 30,000 email which had been subpoened which is a criminal act that would put you or me in federal prison.

Trump has answered all subpoenas as well once his legal objections, such as privilege, were resolved which the dems failed to even try to do.

Trump gave unfettered access to Mueller's people as well. Insofar as taxes are concerned,

I know of no law requiring a president or candidate to release his taxes so there's nothing wrong with not doing so. Clinton's foundation is where the shenanigans are. She had no income other than government salary and speaking fees if paid to her rather than some cut-out or the Foundation.

Trump has truly grown in office and few think of him as other than presidential nowadays except in some aspects of his demeanor. Then, of course, there was give 'em hell Harry who physically threatened a NY Times critic who panned his daughter's piano playing but you don't see that anymore as it is counter the narrative.
At least Trump never let one of his girlfriends drown to save his own skin.

Robertdav298
  2/26/2020 20:25 EST

EARNEST.........good choice :)

You know there is a poster on here named Larry K and I have the utmost respect for him and there is a reason.

Larry and I do not agree 50% of the time but we compliment each other and healthy debate is a good thing. Larry is not hateful, yet is he a Democrat but NOT FAR LEFT. Does he like DT......no but he has shown restraint in his comments

I am fearful that the peacekeeper will close this thread because of people like REBTOP, DAVAO and GELYNCH, to name a few that use this thread as a sounding board for their hate for DT and his administration. They consistently call DT names, they comment negatively about our country.

This is not healthy and it divides the forum just like our country. That is why I have made a line in the sand and I have chosen NOT TO COMMENT on their rhetoric. I am hoping that the forum will do the same before the peacekeeper says " enough is enough"

You guys reading this know exactly what I am talking about. I learned a long time ago to pick the batlles I know I can win.

tombalita1
  2/26/2020 21:43 EST

Rob, that's likewise why a stopped public posting.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/27/2020 00:42 EST

Don't act as if only one side has used put downs.tlallen referred to gelynch as a dumb ass. Love philly calls Dems libitards. I have to admit overall some of you haven't used putdowns . I would be ok with the locking of this thread again. It's not like were making any progress.

Robertdav298
  2/27/2020 04:36 EST

DAVAO.......I disagree 100% name calling is demeaning regardless of who does it.

But the constant rhetoric towards DT is uncalled for and lacks class.

Progress, what progress are you looking for exactly? This is a public forum, dang our congress has ZERO PROGRESS.

Robertdav298
  2/27/2020 05:19 EST

LOVE/DARK and EARNEST, give yourself a treat and get on YOUTUBE and type in "rush limbaugh" watch the Feb 26th show.

Rush is my favorite along with Bill Orielly and Mark Levine.
ENJOY!

tlallen59
  2/27/2020 05:21 EST

I don't do it very often but stand behind my comment. There is a big difference between some bum with a keyboard and the President of the United States. I'm with Robert and Love on this one.

darkfader24
  2/27/2020 06:18 EST

Thanx, Robert. Fortunately, I'm a 24/7 Subscriber - like for the last 10 or 15 years! Been a faithful listener for 29 years. I heard a bit of it today but not as much as I wanted.

tombalita1
  2/27/2020 06:57 EST

Dark,
Megaditto’s to you !

rebtop
  2/27/2020 06:58 EST

Robert. Calling a village idiot an idiot is not calling someone names. It is defining that person for what he is.
Calling him crude and vulgar, again, is not calling him names. It describes mannerisms. Describing someone as a pathological liar is factual and not simply name calling.
Sanders is a socialist. This not name calling although a person who thinks socialism is a sin could construe it as such.

rebtop
  2/27/2020 07:12 EST

Robert. Rush.. Another great news source to add to the circle jerk of news sources.
Info Wars is also a great source. Mass killing of kids is a liberal fantasy make up to make good guy with guns look bad.

LovePhilly
  2/27/2020 07:47 EST

Robert, I love listening to the holder of the Medal of Freedom! Rush is right!

DavaoDelSur1
  2/27/2020 08:32 EST

Early in the 1990's I listened to Rush. During the 1992 election GHW Bush vrs Clinton, Rush
criticized Bush for something he said. Rush really gave it to Bush, The next day on his program, Rush said he was only joking. I knew instantly it wasn't a joke but someone talked to him. At that moment I knew he was bought and paid for and never listened to Rush again.

rebtop
  2/27/2020 09:49 EST

So tRump is going to pardon Weinstein now. I heard Rush say why just Weinstein? So many others did same thing. Possibly even tRump.

rebtop
  2/27/2020 10:07 EST

Sorry to say but Rush has a very serious illness. His medal of freedom almost came too late.

tombalita1
  2/27/2020 12:35 EST

To all: Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBqvX4BbZs

45 seconds in to about 1 minute 15 seconds

LarryKar
  2/27/2020 19:13 EST

RE:Rush. Now I understand part of the mindset here from certain " members". Going way back I would be a captive audience on road trips visiting far flung accounts with my District Manager. An otherwise very intelligent guy he was a huge Rush fan. I am more than familiar after listening for hours to the sick blovating nonsense that comes from Rush. At least we now know that much of it was the Oxycontin talking.

rebtop
  2/27/2020 19:13 EST

Heard tRump put 4 people from the CDC on the enemies list for contradicting him. He said don’t touch railings and you will be fine. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
While the markets crash because no one trusts him. Everyone knows he is a pathological liar.

rebtop
  2/27/2020 20:17 EST

Rush was caught breaking the drug laws in Florida. Should have been prosecuted and sent to jail, like lesser known criminals.
Governor Jeb and the other republican criminals who rule Florida decided he should be excused and case dismissed.

This is how republicans in power roll.

Robertdav298
  2/27/2020 22:54 EST

Love.....did you ever buy "unfreedom of the press".......a few months ago you going to?

I intend to buy it when I am home in April.

Robertdav298
  2/27/2020 22:59 EST

Larry, unlike you I never listened to RUSH until recently when a colleague of mine told me about his radio show. Now I listen when I have a chance. But I listen to Bill Orielly everyday.
In my early years I listened to Paul Harvey.

Robertdav298
  2/27/2020 23:12 EST

PHILLY and TOMBALITA, I just heard from a friend of mine that a Chinese Destroyer that was 350 miles west of GUAM locked in it's laser at a US Navy Plane.
My gosh our guys went bonkers and wanted engage but "navy pacific command" told them to avoid.

WOW.....much different these days where diplomacy rules. In my day, that destroyer would have been sunk.

First rule never aim your weapon at someone UNLESS you are prepared to use it.

I seem to recall that sometime in 2019 a Chinese Admiral was quoted in saying that the US is weak and to busy with politics and could easily be defeated if one of their carriers was sunk. He went on to say that such an act would bring the US to its knees.

HMMMMM........any thoughts!

Earnestndeavor
  2/27/2020 23:45 EST

“in my early years I listened to Paul Harvey”

And now you know the rest of the story.

Great newsman. I always enjoyed his presentation of the news.

Earnie

LarryKar
  2/28/2020 01:06 EST

Robert:
"The indignation of politicians is NOT a good measure of the gravity of any situation."
Paul Harvey

tlallen59
  2/28/2020 05:21 EST

"unfreedom of the press" is a very good book and right on the money. Another good book is Greg Gutfeld "the Gutfeld monologues".

LovePhilly
  2/28/2020 09:50 EST

Tom...very revealing video.

Robert, I have not read that book yet but I want to. I also read about that event with the laser. The Chinese are aggressive and one would think they are trying to start a war. They do these things all the time and eventually we will take the bait. It seems like they want war but want to tell the world the U.S. started it.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 11:04 EST

Robert & Love,

The Chinese navy is indeed "testing the water". It's not new, the Chinese military has been doing this for some time. In 2001 they force down a EP-3 surveillance plane to Hainan Island. The crew was able to destroy most classified material before they opened the hatch. Their provoking of our ships and planes in recent years in the South China Sea continues. The occupation of the disputed islands among them The Spratleys, was met with no resistance by anyone.
Standing by to see if we respond as the incidents escalate. When I read the post about the CINCPAC, I was reminded of the stand down order by the Obama administration that got our guys killed in Benghazi. Do nothing and the incidents will escalate.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 11:08 EST

Robert, Love, Tallen,


The Chinese navy is indeed "testing the water". It's not new, the Chinese military has been doing this for some time. In 2001 they force down a EP-3 surveillance plane to Hainan Island. The crew was able to destroy most classified material before they opened the hatch. Their provoking of our ships and planes in recent years in the South China Sea continues. The occupation of the disputed islands among them The Spratleys, was met with no resistance by anyone.
Standing by to see if we respond as the incidents escalate. When I read the post about CINCPAC, it called to mind the stand down order given by the Obama administration to those in the area that wanted to go help our guys in Benghazi.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 11:10 EST

Love,

And we have a media that would agree with the Chinese that we started the war.

LovePhilly
  2/28/2020 11:25 EST

Right on Tom... exactly right.

LovePhilly
  2/28/2020 11:31 EST

And Joe Biden is driving me crazy with his silly stories. He's like some old Grandpa who embellishes his past so much so often he can't remember what really did happen.

He was arrested in South Africa trying to visit Nelson Mandela. Really? What's scary is the amount of ignorant people in our society that would actually vote for this guy.

HeII, I should run for President.

Tsmslf
  2/28/2020 13:22 EST

More fertilizer from Rebtop. Rush was prosecuted by Florida and accepted a plea agreement for treatment in rehab, continued use of his prescription drugs for pain relief from back surgery and accepted full responsibility for his conduct. He also paid $30,000 to defray the local legal costs of the prosecution.

And he did this all out in public on his radio show.

And he was not "caught" A housekeeper reported his use of painkillers to the cops and he was arrested, arraigned and then made his deal just as anyone else who could would.

He did not leave anyone to drown in a car, rape several women or destroy subpoened evidence as some people we know did.

Like him or not, he reacted honorably, did not try to escape responsibility and did what he agreed to do. What more can one do.

MOREOVER, HE HAS BEEN CLEAN NOW FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.

PUT THAT UP YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT.

LovePhilly
  2/28/2020 15:22 EST

THANK YOU Tsmslf.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 15:45 EST

Love,
I'll run your Virginia campaign!

DavaoDelSur1
  2/28/2020 16:21 EST

The stock market just had the worst week since the financial crisis of 2008. So basically we have a one term loser and another blue tsunami coming this November. Trump Jr. is running around trying to pin any American deaths on the Democratic Party. While his loser father flails in the face of a Worldwide crisis. Sorry Tea baggers but you had your run. Now it's big blues turn. About time the adults took back control.

Tsmslf
  2/28/2020 16:59 EST

Well Mr. DDS, I shall check bak with you and this post in a bit more than 8 months and see what your predictions look like.
Always remember what Yogi said about predictions: They are really hard, especially about the future.

DavaoDelSur1
  2/28/2020 17:38 EST

Counselor suck a weak response. You could of least pulled rank and told us all of His Lordships credentials. Lectured us about Trump's superior gut that will solve any medical emergency at cut rate costs. How this pandemic is the result of god's wrath due to liberal sins.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 17:44 EST

Tsmslf,
Another one of Yogi’s best Will also be true in 2020: It’s like deja vu all over again.

Robertdav298
  2/28/2020 18:18 EST

LARRY.........AGREE 100%

rebtop
  2/28/2020 18:19 EST

Davao.. Can i get an AMEN

LarryKar
  2/28/2020 18:24 EST

Davao Yes without meaning to I'm sure everyones favorite Barrister made my point. Rush was at his peak while on an Oxy fed rage. Once he was caught and only broadcasted his poison relatively sober he lost ratings, sponsors, outlets. He was a freak show and only the crowd that is now giving up Corona Beer for fear of infection still listens to him.

rebtop
  2/28/2020 18:25 EST

Davao. The democrats caused this. how do I know? A pathological liar to us.
Who believes PLs? Knuckle daggers. No more to say.

rebtop
  2/28/2020 18:29 EST

Do you believe this? Dumb helping the dumber try to get elected.
I will give these people credit. They found enough of Trump U graduates to get tRump elected.
I guess the people at the top cannot be too dumb. Just the people at the bottom.

Robertdav298
  2/28/2020 18:49 EST

ALL.......the trouble with politicians is that they make promises while campaigning that our near impossible to keep. They say and do things to fraternize their voters.
But once they get to Washington, all bets are off and they soon are corrupted by the system. They quickly forget that the real power is not DC BUT THOSE that voted them into office, the people...........!

Now this is true on both sides of the isle. The whole system is corrupt and needs a total overhaul. Lets start by term limits for all elected officials!
Lets begin by city, state and federal levels. Then lets set term limits for ALL Judges and prosecutors.

The biggest term limit of all must be the "corrupt supreme court". What bothers me the most is that these judges are "NOT ELECTED" but appointed by the administration at the time. You will never convince me that these judges are not biased and that they strictly make rulings according to the law......in my opinion that his pure manutia.

The buzz word of the corrupt media today is that the nation is divided. I say the media is one of the causes of division they do not report the news but they give their opinion, which is wrong,
Remember the days of "walter c" and Mike W? Everybody watched the news and it was just that news.
Today it is about ratings and who can be the first to break the story.......you can have 10 different media outlets reporting the story and get TEN different spins.
I have colleagues that do not watch the news anymore because of that reason.......biased opinions.

Anybody following the RP challenge of ABS/CBN? It all started in 2015 when D30 was running for office, he got pissed off because he felt they were biased against him and did not report the facts. He threatened that if elected he would not renew their franchise. Guess what......it is happening :). No matter how you vote or what you believe the media can twist your words and spin it in a way that suits their narrative. The worst part this some of the general public believe what they say is true.

So I say all news outlets must be censored.

rebtop
  2/28/2020 19:18 EST

TS. I do not know what he has been up since his total humiliation. Bush reduced all charges to a low level misdemeanor. . And i guess two out of three incidents is not bad. No one drowned in a car.

rebtop
  2/28/2020 19:45 EST

Larry. Do i have to remind you to watch your manners? Do not speak badly of the dead.

rebtop
  2/28/2020 19:57 EST

Politics is a tragic comedy. So sad. Anything to stay in office.

Robert, if you want to start a new party i will be your first member.

tombalita1
  2/28/2020 20:12 EST

Rob,

The media and the Left, but I repeat myself. No sure which one tells which the spin.

tlallen59
  2/29/2020 04:09 EST

Right on Tsmslf. And giving him the medal of freedom during the state of the union was the ultimate poke in the eye. To good.

rebtop
  2/29/2020 07:25 EST

Does your name start with TI or TL. I am sorry but it is confusing with the font i use.
And i agree about the medal to Rush was meant as a poke in the eye.
So uncivil and demeaning for a president. Sad.

LovePhilly
  2/29/2020 09:33 EST

Tom, I would LOVE to have you run my campaign! lol.

Just remember, I'm not in Virginia, I'm in West "by god" Virginia. We were on the winning side!. lol

LovePhilly
  2/29/2020 09:33 EST

Tom, I would LOVE to have you run my campaign! lol.

Just remember, I'm not in Virginia, I'm in West "by god" Virginia. We were on the winning side!. lol

rebtop
  2/29/2020 13:48 EST

Coronavirus update.

First death in US. It has started.
Dr. TRump told us not to worry. Just don’t touch railings. Everything is under control. His politically appointed medical people think. Well, maybe, they said in an updated FAKE. NEWS release..
But we know the democrats caused this. And the fake press.

Only he, orange one, can now talk about this Disease. NO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS CAN GIVE BRIEFING WITHOUT HIS APPROVAL.

I CANNOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP!

DavaoDelSur1
  2/29/2020 18:43 EST

It's all a big joke, fake news, sticking it to the libs, snowflakes, climate hoax, the highly educated scientists need funding for their studies.
But when it comes to doctors all bets are off. Their and family's health is at stake. Lets see what happens with this pandemic and the how they judge their man . When real and immediate consequences are at stake. I bet the jokes and back slapping ends when it affects them personally.

LovePhilly
  3/1/2020 09:34 EST

So I've been a huge NFL fan since age 7. I know just about everything about the Cincinnati Bengals. Over my lifetime I collected helmets, jerseys and had four season tickets on the 50 yard line.

When this "knelling" business started with Kapernick, I gave away all my stuff and don't watch a single game. That National Anthem means more to me than a millionaire ghetto thug that can throw a football.

It represents Americans who gave their lives so ignorant people can voice an opinion here that I can ignore. That means something to me.

So, you have the right to write anything you wish because of these sacrifices and I have no issues whatsoever if we disagree on issues.

If however, anyone insults my Flag, my Anthem or my President...you are my enemy.

rebtop
  3/1/2020 11:57 EST

Love .. I am truly sorry. I did not know it was your flag. Your national anthem. But the orange man is surly your president.
Good luck with that....
And i have heard it said he is a transvestite. I would never say it. Nope not me. But they say he gets up in the morning and forgets to take his makeup off. Which explains his orange face and white eyes. .. OMG we have a transvestite for president.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/1/2020 14:14 EST

Philly was Obama your president also? Did you defend him as strongly?

tombalita1
  3/1/2020 18:56 EST

Love,

I'm not an avid football fan, but I have watched the playoffs, AFC/NFC Championships and the Super Bowl for years. I just want to watch the game, I don't want to see B.S. like Kaepernick pulled. I'm glad he's long gone. He's helped Nike's bottom line and his own, but no thanks to me. I'm buying Asics or others but never Nike. I despise those who criticize the very system that allows them to prosper and get rich. If we all followed his logic, we'd all be kneeling for the National Anthem. Just play football and shut up!

darkfader24
  3/2/2020 02:30 EST

Rebtop - This autocorrect keeps wanting to re-spell names! It just tried calling you "Reboot"! Hahaha! I'm glad that I caught it! Anyway, a quick little Rabbit Trail - regarding Jeffrey Dahmer. His Mom, now deceased, was a very good friend of mine! She lived across the street from me in a quiet neighborhood here in Fresno, CA. I just had to look up her first name, cuz she always went by "Rocky". Rocky Flint - not Dahmer. She kept Jeffrey's ashes in an urn by the window. She was a very sweet Lady, and really physically beautiful of face. She must have been a knock out when young. At the time my 8 year old son, and 5 year old daughter would go over and sit at her kitchen table in this really tiny 450 sq. ft. house and draw with crayons and she loved putting the drawings up on her fridge, like a grandmother. She adored my kids - and vice versa. Unfortunately, she would regularly get very depressed and while living near her, she tried committing suicide 3 times. I would sit on her door step with her and let her talk and cry, and try to comfort her. She was a retired nurse and volunteered at the "AIDS" Hospice. One time she was trying to gas herself by letting an unlit oven run, and the Fire Fighters cleared our entire block cuz they were afraid the street was gonna be leveled. After the gas dissipated they carried her out on a stretcher and she grabbed my hand, crying and apologizing. This was mostly before Jeffrey was killed. After Jeffrey's death, she went downhill very quickly, especially when the AIDS Hospice wouldn't let her work there anymore - cuz of the notoriety. My wife would go out at 5 or 6 in the morning to jog, and a van from the News Show "Hard Copy" would be waiting outside of our house trying to be "Incognito" (???) - hahaha!They would startle my wife by jumping out with a camera in her face looking for anything at all on Rocky! My wife would tell them to please leave, and please leave her alone. She wasted away and died about a year after we moved to another neighborhood. I feel regret that I did not keep up with the poor woman. Apparently, she had suffered all her life from depression - but can you imagine living with the "Guilt" of being Jeffrey's Mom? Wow!

darkfader24
  3/2/2020 02:37 EST

Rebtop - I'm sorry - I have to disagree. It IS Philly's Anthem, just as it is yours. If it's not "Ours" - individually and corporately, whose is it? If my life belongs to my Country when I am sent off to war, then who else does it belong to? It belongs to ME!! Dammit!! But it also belongs to My Wife, My Kids, the rest of my Family Members - but also to you, and RobertDav and Davao, and the entire Country. When someone sacrifices their life, they are giving up their life for themselves, AND for you and I - people they don't even know. So it is with our Flag and Anthem. It belongs to you, Me, and every other American - individually and as Americans.

rebtop
  3/2/2020 07:01 EST

Dark. We all have good stories to share. Thank you very much for sharing your story. Most of us feel exposed when we do.

tombalita1
  3/2/2020 07:03 EST

Dark,

I'm standing at attention and rendering a sharp salute!

Tom

rebtop
  3/2/2020 07:08 EST

Dark. The anthem and flag belongs to all of us. Not to one group which thinks they are more patriotic than anyone else I served and would have given my life if necessary. This a major distinction in these posts. Thank you for your reasonable comments. Hyperbole is usually effective.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/2/2020 09:47 EST

Who knew it would be up to dark to shed some light?

LovePhilly
  3/2/2020 13:09 EST

I have before me a certificate of appreciation for my 27 years of service in the United States Army. It is signed by President Barrack Obama.

I didn't agree with many of his policies. His Secretary of State left my brothers high and dry in Benghazi. They lost their lives because of it.

Yet, we live in a Democratic Republic and he was duly elected by my fellow citizens. Sure I would prefer that Ronald Reagan had signed it but still, Obama was my President and I respected him.

So, don't burn MY flag, don't kneel during MY anthem, and don't disrespect MY President. Dark and Tom are welcome at my table anytime.

tombalita1
  3/2/2020 14:17 EST

"HOOAH" !!

LovePhilly
  3/2/2020 14:40 EST

Hooha Tom. Ur a great man and a great American.

LovePhilly
  3/2/2020 14:45 EST

Also, Robert is always welcome at my table and several others. I make a mean ass steak!

rebtop
  3/2/2020 18:46 EST

Love. You I’ll never change and see who you are. God bless you

tombalita1
  3/2/2020 21:25 EST

You da man !!

LovePhilly
  3/3/2020 05:03 EST

One other thought...

For anyone who wants to make fun of West Virginia and stereotype hillbillies? lol.

On March 7, 2020 the United States Navy will commission a new ship named USNS Hershal "Woody" Williams (from West Virginia).

I've had the very humbling experience of meeting Chief Warrant Officer Williams on more than one occasion. He is the last surviving Medal of Honor recipient from the battle of Iwo Jima. He took his flame thrower, charged multiple enemy positions and took them out. He did this knowing he probably wouldn't survive but he looked death in the face and did his duty.

The two marksmen that escorted him on this mission both died.

Anybody that wants to talk sh1t about West Virginia can kiss my A$$.

LovePhilly
  3/3/2020 05:07 EST

Reb, you are a communist fagg0t. I don't wish blessings upon you. You will burn in HeII,

rebtop
  3/3/2020 05:41 EST

Love. Burn in hell? Not sure there is such a place. I think it works like this. If you don’t believe in it, you get a pass.

WV is a wonderful place. Been there. And the Medal of Honor winner, great man. Deserves all of his honors.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/3/2020 05:50 EST

Damn sounds like somebody needs anger management. You need to learn the sport of ball busting and let things slide. A little trash talk during debate and you go postal, maybe the problem is you.

tombalita1
  3/3/2020 06:01 EST

Love,

Give em hell Mountaineer !!

Tom

LovePhilly
  3/3/2020 06:22 EST

Hahaha. Tom, I callem' like I see them! lol. Let's GO Mountaineers!

darkfader24
  3/3/2020 07:26 EST

tombalita1 - Yeah, at 1:02 the Harv-ster is declared a wonderful human being - mainly because he contributes so heavily to you know who. In other words, "Money Talks. BS Walks!" Whoopsie was really slapping her hands together in praise of Harvey. I'll bet she was clapping just as hard when he was sent to jail.

darkfader24
  3/3/2020 07:42 EST

Davao - Regarding Older Western Men / Younger Pinays - I could not agree with you more. I am very serious - and have spent endless hours up front with these very issues. I've "vetted" several ladies and it did not take long to find out what they really wanted. But now, what do I do with women who REFUSE to take my financial aid, no matter how meek it is? I have been told by my two current ladies "I don't want your money. I don't want to lose my Independence, to become dependent on you!" One even got really angry saying "I would rather starve!!!" Emphasis hers, not mine. I was shocked. This Young Lady is pretty fierce, and the first month of our relationship challenged me so often that I grew weary, thinking "This will never work!" However, she is starting to calm down, not being so defensive, as trust builds between us. This has been refreshing cuz she certainly has not had her hand out - and I know that she comes from a really poor area and has to work really hard for just a few pesos.

LovePhilly
  3/3/2020 11:03 EST

She will accept your money later Dark. It's OK. All of it is for sale, it's only a matter of how formal the arrangement is.

LovePhilly
  3/3/2020 12:58 EST

So a federal judge has ordered Mrs. Clinton to be deposed under oath regarding government secrets on her private email server. Now we are getting somewhere! Should happen this summer.

If she lies, she's going down.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/3/2020 13:33 EST

She's smarter then the average bear, long con. Unless you got a 12 inch personality dark.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/3/2020 13:37 EST

Bidens bounce and today gets very interesting. If Bernie gets the nomination it makes trump's path much easier.

rebtop
  3/3/2020 18:55 EST

Love Step back and read what you post. Please. A true republican through and through.

rebtop
  3/3/2020 18:57 EST

Love. What are you talking about. Even you are an embarrassment to knuckle draggers.

rebtop
  3/3/2020 19:00 EST

tRumps dream is Bernie. Everyone else is having nightmares. What do think Love?

DavaoDelSur1
  3/4/2020 01:31 EST

Trump got Impeached trying to manufacture dirt on Biden. Now Biden looks to be the frontrunner. Trump's nightmare scenario coming true.

catabisis
  3/4/2020 04:33 EST

Davodelsur1, you are kidding, right? Trump is going to mop the floor with Biden.

Robertdav298
  3/4/2020 04:37 EST

Philly....lets eat!

Seems you are on a roll here and I like most everything you post. Patriots all think the same........GOD, FAMILY COUNTRY.

tlallen59
  3/4/2020 05:12 EST

It will be the same as always. "I can't recall" is her favorite answer.

tlallen59
  3/4/2020 05:58 EST

Rebtop you are a foul mouthed POS and if I could I would send my brother in law over to your house to turn your knee caps inside out for 500 peso's.

darkfader24
  3/4/2020 06:20 EST

Davao - Brother, I couldn't resist. Biden says on Video Tape: "I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time." That is, someone who looked no further into Corrupt Burisma, with Joe's son on the board pulling down $83K a month!!! Hunter Biden had no prior experience with either the energy industry or Ukraine before joining Burisma in April 2014. In fact, his background in investment banking, lobbying, and hedge fund management paled in comparison to that of current and past members of the company’s board of directors. Conflict of Interest, anyone? And Trump is manufacturing dirt on Hunter? Umm, that would be a "No". Hunter manufactured his own dirt.

darkfader24
  3/4/2020 06:46 EST

LovePhilly - She will accept my money later? Of course she will. What wife in all of history, of any ethnic background, does not? That's what families do. I look forward to providing for those that I love.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/4/2020 07:05 EST

Now threats are allowed? My as well lock this thread.

coach53
  3/4/2020 07:15 EST

"Lastly I would ask NO BASHING the current US PRESIDENT........for now he is in office, like it or not."
Why having extempt for he, who mess up much for the rest of the world? :)

Trump has annoyed many including EU allready when he started talking about very high protection custom fees for goods TO USA`...
This will just speed up the "doomsday" * for their economies I predicted 25 years ago will come for the richer countries. COMPANIES can manage and even need to put productions in low salary countries, but COUNTRIES can't manage in the long run.

*Not realy fully "doomed" but the gaps will become less between the rich countries and the countries where the rich countries put big part of their production. When the cost gap have become low enough, the richer countries still with SOME higher salaries, then it will be best for the companies to take the production back to the home country to save at transport costs.
The start of this process can be seen nowadays by e g USA has lost credit rate and the economy in SE Asia has developed much better than in the rich countries' economies.
That's one of the reasons I decided to move to Phils :)
Phils has fallen behind other countries in that region as e g Thailand, but I prefer Phils anyway by Phils has less restrictions against foreigners.

The salaries will still be higher in the rich countries but the real value of them will DROP, while salaries in SE Asia will raise. I suppouse them with raised salaries will be in better mood than them with lowered salaries :)


I find (almost) all politicians being just more or less idiots. And not odd when the few exceptions quit by got tired to have to do with such idiots :)

I have even stoped bother to follow what new idiotic things Swedish politicians decide, because in my MIND I have moved to Phils allready :)

I have much to say about Phil politicians too, but I better not :)

LovePhilly
  3/4/2020 08:07 EST

So the democratic establishment got scared of Bernie and consolidated behind Biden. Turned out to be a close Super Tuesday. I had actually hoped for a clear winner but I suppose this makes for better TV ratings.

Last night Biden introduced his wife as his sister and his sister as his wife! That poor guy. I know some here would like to think so but neither of these guys has a chance against Trump.

LovePhilly
  3/4/2020 08:18 EST

The elites on wall street will really be pressuring Bloomberg to drop out now so he doesn't take anymore votes from Biden. They are all terrified of Bernie.

tombalita1
  3/4/2020 09:48 EST

.GOD, FAMILY COUNTRY.

ABSOLUTELY !!!!

tombalita1
  3/4/2020 09:53 EST

Tallen,

Could your brother-in-law use another 500Php from me?

Tom

LovePhilly
  3/4/2020 10:42 EST

Less than three hours after I predicted Bloomberg would withdraw, he did! Wall street was just all over his back. They are all ganging up on poor old Bernie.

LovePhilly
  3/4/2020 10:44 EST

This will make great entertainment. After Biden gets the nomination, he can run for Senate while Trump runs for President! lol

DavaoDelSur1
  3/4/2020 12:10 EST

Stop your fake Bernie empathy, you hate him the most. You just think he's an easy to defeat patsy.
Biden will roll bigtime in the South. Bernie will win some close contests but fall behind futher and further in the delegate count.
The orange clown's days are numbered. Enjoy his dysfunction before January 20, 2021 departure.

rebtop
  3/4/2020 18:21 EST

Hello Lovey. Are u terrified of Sanders? Bloomberg? Biden? Warren? Buttigieg? Klobucher? Gabbard? Wang?..... Oh. tRump is your man. Everyone scares you

Robertdav298
  3/4/2020 19:29 EST

DAVAO........."ORANGE CLOWN" are you referring to the President of the United States?

The forum has repeatedly asked you to STOP the name calling and show some respect and yet you continue.

Philly wrote, you may not like the elected president and may not have voted for him. In fact you may dislike him personally BUT RESPECT THE OFFICE.
Why do you find this so hard to do?

My suggestion to you is to find another forum that appreciates your continued rhetoric.

rebtop
  3/4/2020 19:53 EST

Robert. One of the great things about America is we call em like we see em. Not you or other tRumpy can suggest, with any anticipation of being accepted, the likes of STOP anything. The orange transvestite is a clown. How else do you explain his orange face, white eyes and round mouth. I am waiting. Please just look at him and tell me I am wrong. Oh and I never said these things about him. Everyone else is saying them. I just read it somewhere and wanted to share. My post is perfect.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/4/2020 21:17 EST

When you cultists give up your 2nd amendment come talk to me about the 1st amendment.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/4/2020 22:34 EST

The pathological lying orange clown can't even be honest about COVID-19 he blames Obama on testing problems. Maybe if he didn't choose cultist moronic yes men for cabinet members. Nevermind, he wouldn't have listened to them anyway. Since he has a great mind. I mean delusional mind. 1-20-21 can't come fast enough.

Robertdav298
  3/5/2020 04:40 EST

REBTOP.......I never said he did not look orange and I agree that the makeup they use on him distorts his natural look.
DT has even joked about that during interviews.

But that is not the point, is it?

rebtop
  3/5/2020 06:22 EST

Robert. I am a lowly citizen of these great United States. A lowly person was elected to represent me. He does not represent my values in the slightest. The person sitting in the highest office in the world does not belong there. If he can mock people from that level, I can mock him from my level. And will continue to do so. Collective Shame on all of us for allowing this person to be in office. And we will be condemned to hell for allowing him to remain there.

Earnestndeavor
  3/5/2020 08:04 EST

Reb says;


”Robert. I am a lowly citizen of these great United States.“

We finally agree!

LovePhilly
  3/5/2020 08:20 EST

Earnest and Robert, I literally don't even read these two guys anymore. They have the right to behave like jerks and I have the right to ignore them.

surfingcebu
  3/5/2020 08:48 EST

Redtop- I had a Dr. of psychology look at and analyze your writings last night .He is a preeminent in Canada . He found yoru wringing fascinating indeed . He says you suffer what appears to be common Trump Derangement syndrome (TDS) , as well as other disorders. He mentioned 'Mania' , 'Adjustment disorder' ,'Dissociative disorder' , 'Adult conduct disorder', 'Grandiose disorder, among others'.

Do you actually live in the RP and survive w/o getting clubbed ? Be honest with us

He said your likely very meek and mild in company of others in real persona setting . he recommended getting help before you do harm to yourself and others .

God be with you my friend . Here to support you through this .

rebtop
  3/5/2020 10:39 EST

Surfing. Praise Jesus. Please shower me with your thoughts and prayers. I am a sinner and all of those other things you described

Earnestndeavor
  3/5/2020 17:33 EST

Love, I also try and ignore these two, however when one stated he was “a lowly” citizen I felt compelled to let him know I am for once in complete agreement with his opinion.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/5/2020 18:01 EST

You "try" to ignore us because the truth hurts. As much as you love the orange clown you all know deep down he's a pathological lying piece of crap.

rebtop
  3/5/2020 19:16 EST

Earnest. I know my standing when talking about citizenship. We are all puppets to the puppet master(s).

Robertdav298
  3/5/2020 21:05 EST

WOW SURF........cudos to the doctor....confirming what we knew already.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/6/2020 03:42 EST

The orangutan just dug his political grave. Orange bozo said he would cut Social Security and Medicare. Then said Coronavirus wasn't so bad that sick people could go to work. Also people staying home would spend more in the US. A trifecta of bad ideas. Looks like Biden is scaring what little sense he hasd out of him. He must have shat his pants. With Biden as his opponent and Bloomberg's money. Blue tsunami coming this November.

tlallen59
  3/6/2020 05:29 EST

Ignoring you has nothing to do with truth and everything to do with the disrespectful trash that comes out of your pie hole pal. You guys would not know the truth if it walked up and slapped you in the face so engaging you is just a waste of bandwidth.

LovePhilly
  3/6/2020 10:40 EST

Here is a rather long but interesting look at border security in the U.S. In it, some of the members of Congress are asking questions and trying to ensure that when an Illegal is put into a holding facility, during the first 48 hours they should have: a bed, meals, medical care, access to free attorneys, briefings about their "rights", etc.

Now first of all, these are not prisoners. They have every right to turn around and walk straight back to where they came from under the same conditions they left.

Second, there are many Americans that don't have medical care.

Third, I would argue (although the courts disagree) that these are not American Citizens and therefore are not protected under the Constitution.

I just don't think the American Citizen should have to pay for room, board, medical care, legal council etc,. to anyone who just wants to show up and get it.

Here is the link...

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/02/illegal-immigration-down-80-percent-in-el-paso-because-of-border-wall-border-chief-says/?fbclid=IwAR14lIKynJ9HIK13r8qy3Jg6YHoJix6MaaJ0BFQhd1UjdOXI8gp79i9CVug

Tsmslf
  3/6/2020 12:16 EST

While not prisoners as are those convicted of crimes, illegal aliens such as described are detained by law enforcement as they are criminals. Illegal entry into the USA is a crime just as it is in the Philippines and almost every country. Thus, it is easy to argue that they are, in fact, prisoners.

The point usually overlooked is that illegal aliens are really criminals the instant they step over the border. It is intentional and against US law. Bingo! Criminal conduct.

Rant, rave or fertilize, that's an indisputable fact. Why then reward their criminal behavior? The responses from the left are multiple but nonsense if you analyze them. The Wall is thus a civilized way to reduce crime.

Even the Communist Pope relies on his yuge , ancient wall to keep out protestants and similar undesirables. He does that in conjunction with paid mercenaries from a foreign country who will arrest you or worse should you try to illegally enter Vatican City or clamber over its wall. Robed residents there won't give you free medical care, school for your kids or permit a claim for asylum. Those robed residents don't permit claims for asylum or allow refugee status there. In fact, they have no immigration law of their own. They just know what's best for America.

Unfortunately they are [supposedly] celibate and cannot go someplace and reproduce themselves.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That was said by a Lord. No, not their Lord. A different lord said that.

rebtop
  3/6/2020 18:42 EST

Trump just called the few Coronavirus test kits available beautiful. He wants to keep them in his off and show them off to his people.

What a moron. Lock him up. Lock him up. Lock him up.

Robertdav298
  3/6/2020 19:03 EST

CORRECT.......that is why I do not engage in his posts.

Robertdav298
  3/6/2020 19:12 EST

TS........thankyou, thankyou........that is exactly what I have been saying since 2016 concerning, illegal aliens.

I also disagreed with the POPE when he said that America should not build a wall to keep out aliens. I said he was a hypocrite as the Vatican is fortified.

I just read where ILLEGALS were allowed to vote in the MANUTIA STATE (california).........as far as I am concerned that state could wash in to pacific and do us all a big favor.

Another thought DT to give it to Mexico, why not there are more people from Mexico than the US anyway. Wonder how long newsome would survive under MEXICAN RULE?

Earnestndeavor
  3/6/2020 19:40 EST

Self wrote;

“Thus, it is easy to argue that they are, in fact, prisoners.”


A prisoner is a person who is deprived of liberty against his or her will.
Therefore I tend to agree with Love that in fact they are not prisoners since they voluntarily submit to detention by crossing the border knowing they will be detained from freely traveling in the U.S. and they are free to leave and return to their home country at any time. They simply do not fall within the definition of a prisoner.

Respectfully Earnie

LovePhilly
  3/6/2020 20:11 EST

Tsmslf, pointed and well written.

Robert, of course you are right as you usually are....

Earnest, you made my point better than I could. Thank you!

Final thought for the day...

Joe Biden says he won't allow his kids to work in the white house. I seriously doubt that President Trump plans to offer any of them a job anyway so, I don't think it's an issue! lol.

tombalita1
  3/6/2020 21:46 EST

Philly,

Hunter Biden didn't need to live in the White House to make millions from China. He just had to go with his Dad, Quid Pro Joe, on Air Force One or Air Force Two. Same for the Ukraine and Burisma. Wait, do we know if Hunter has ever been to the Ukraine even though he was on their board making tens of thousands a month.

It occurs to me that Biden's son Bo, an Iraq war veteran, died of cancer,
a tragedy that most of us can't even imagine. However, because of that sympathy, there has been a lack of accountability regarding Hunter. It's been pretty much . . .leave that family alone.

Stand by for the replay of all Joe's gaffs and the video of him threating to withhold a billion dollars of aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma. All this is waiting to be displayed during the upcoming Trump vs Biden presidential race. Stand By
A

LovePhilly
  3/6/2020 22:58 EST

Hahaha Tom... it occurs to me that so many of you here simply articulate my own thoughts and I need not write much...just read and cheer you on! lol.

I'm not even thinking about 2020. That's a victory in the house AND the Senate AND the Presidency. By then we will have a conservative Supreme Court for the next generation which will last after I die.

I'm thinking about 2024... and it really isn't about me or what "team" I'm on. It's about American values. Not the values of people who call themselves Americans just because they live here. It's about retaining the values handed down by those who founded this nation. The values that our forefathers fought and died for. They didn't die on beaches for homosexuals and baby killers. (which reminds me of the same people during the 1960's spitting on our returning veteran's that called them "baby killers" who are now literally killing babies".

Sorry, I'm preaching to the choir.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/8/2020 08:04 EST

You think you own the Supreme Court. After blue tsunami this Nov we get to stack the court. You stole one from Obama we add 4. Suck on that snowflakes.

rebtop
  3/8/2020 09:15 EST

I am becoming very concerned about the virus crisis. Because of health issues, which will eventually be resolved on a personal heart braking level, but also because of the economic crisis that is unfolding. 2008 is not a distant memory for me. I hope 2020 is not the same for others.

rebtop
  3/8/2020 09:45 EST

I just posted this comment on NYT about the situation today. In a galaxy far, far away the situation was the same. Consequences are the same. Are we going to stay in the dark side? Or are we going to emerge into the light?

Robertdav298
  3/8/2020 20:13 EST

PHILLY......your concerns are valid!

Think about this, you speak of the founding fathers and those who fought for freedom an that is what we cling to and embrace. However; the millenials and the illegal ALIENS do not have the same values that we do.
As an example just look what spews out AOC's pie hole or Imar......the list is long my friend.......these people have no moral compass. For them it's all about apologizing for our heritage and the values we cling to. For them the Muslims and Illegals are right and we are wrong, just because we are AMERICANS.
I think often about my daughter and should she grow up with such political rhetoric and hatred in the US? Is the RP any better?

Earnestndeavor
  3/8/2020 20:43 EST

Robert wrote;
“ I think often about my daughter and should she grow up with such political rhetoric and hatred in the US? Is the RP any better?”

Robert I have the same concerns. The schools in California have become nothing more than a propaganda tool for socialism/communism and they openly opine their disdain for America. I think my son is receiving a better education here and very importantly learning respect for everyone and respect for country, flag and anthem.(dual citizen)

I have decided I prefer to be a foreigner in a foreign country over being a foreigner in my own country.

Respectfully, Earnie

rebtop
  3/9/2020 05:32 EST

Robert. I am so sorry you are so put upon. It must be horrible knowing how wonderful you are and to be so unappreciated. How dare the Muslims and others not love you. Well they are un-American for not adoring you for being American. Join me now..... God bless America the land that I love........... keep going. I cannot hear you.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 05:38 EST

Earnest. I feel the same way. When we ask for their oil and they have the nerve to turn us down I get pissed. I get so mad at the government, not the people. I then invade the country to free the people from that terrible government. I truly know what is best for them. But again the people do not appreciate the effort and blood my sons spelled to set them free. Damn heathens.

LovePhilly
  3/9/2020 07:24 EST

Wow Robert, your comments are pointed and exact. I can't say it better than that.

I have a thought that is only indirectly related to this thread because it involves economics rather than direct politics. This is my story anyway...

So my fantastic Filipina wife bought three rose bushes. I enjoy gardening as she does. It's almost spring time here so we made a trip to Home Depot to buy some garden soil, mulch and various light bulbs for the house.

I don't remember exactly how many bags of what we bought but it fit in the back of my subcompact car.

My bill for dirt and light bulbs was about 200 dollars. It occurs to me that a Fillipino has to work 2 weeks to earn what I paid for that.

My main point is that we are SO blessed as Americans. We have SO much to be thankful for. The main reason we have so much is because of capitalism. We work hard and it pays off.

Many of you are on social security. That's fine because it's YOUR money. You worked for it, yet you worry each day the money will run dry and you will have nothing. The problem is, this is a socialist program. They should have not taken this money from you to begin with. You should have invested it yourself. Trust me when I say that you are much smarter than government workers.

Socialism has failed throughout history. Why do people insist on trying it again and again?

DavaoDelSur1
  3/9/2020 09:43 EST

Other countries are testing tens of thousands of people for the Coronavirus daily. But the the most powerful country on earth USA isn't, why do you think that is?
Because Trump wants to keep the numbers artificially low. If you don't test, you can't confirm the disease.
Politics is more important to Trump then human life.
That's one way to cut Social Security, let 15% of the old people die.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/9/2020 09:58 EST

President Trump's failure to combat the Coronavirus correctly is setting up a Democratic landslide this November. Biden is leading Sanders 52% to 39% in new poll. Biden will crush Trump.

Tsmslf
  3/9/2020 13:00 EST

The reason is that testing is a local not a federal duty as is reporting. Further, people must actually go for a test. I have not. Haven't even thought of doing it as I happily have no symptoms and see no need to test without them. Other countries are more authoritarian. Also, I don't know whether all tests are reported or whether it's tests positive which are.
Your post is simply hogwash, dumb hogwash at that.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/9/2020 14:48 EST

Tsmslf

You said, "The reason is that testing is a local, not a federal duty as is reporting." But the tests are supplied by the Federal government and the first batch was all bad. That is why Pence said 1.5 million kits WILL go out now. But that is only 30,000 per state.

Doctors had to wait 4 days to get one case tested because of the reporting.

This is direct from the CDC (Federal Government) site

"State and local health departments who have identified a person under investigation (PUI) should immediately notify CDC’s Emergency Operations Center (EOC) to report the PUI and determine whether testing for COVID-19 at CDC is indicated. The EOC will assist local/state health departments to collect, store, and ship specimens appropriately to CDC, including during after hours or on weekends/holidays."

So the Feds have to decide to test you (not up to state)

Plus CDC Web site also says

"Should I Be tested for COVID-19?"
"Call your healthcare professional if you feel sick with fever, cough, or difficulty breathing, and have been in close contact with a person known to have COVID-19, or if you live in or have recently traveled from an area with the ongoing spread of COVID-19.

Your healthcare professional will work with your state’s public health department and CDC to determine if you need to be tested for COVID-19."

Want to see https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

People in other places like South Korea can go to Drive up test. Yes stay in your car that is not "other countries are more authoritarian" just smarter and testing 10,000 a day.

Your post is simply hogwash, dumb hogwash at that. But you said that first, you were just wrong.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/9/2020 15:03 EST

You just got schooled counselor you might know the law, but you don't know squat about politics and the news.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 18:47 EST

Did you ever see tRump doing a press conference? 5 minutes, max. He does not have command of the facts. BS stuff with nothing behind it, like his diatribe at rallies. He immediately hands the mike to someone else. Just watch him. And I am not gay, but when he talks his mouth is so attractive. So round.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 20:29 EST

Island. What are you talking about. tRump just said everything is under control. All fake news. Anyone who needs a test can get one. tRump is spreading the news that China developed the virus as an offensive weapon but it accidentally got out of the lab. Don’t you listen to the real news. The democrats did it.

Robertdav298
  3/9/2020 20:31 EST

ERANEST, so true, it is not like when I was a kid growing up. Yes, there was a non-trust for the "white man" basically because of broken treaties and stolen land. However; there was respect for one another, the earth and the country.

I have cousins that have children that go to school on the reservation and the language is ENGLISH.......but the government has allowed us to speak our NATIVE TOUNGUE as well.

The one drawback of sending my daughter to school in the RP is that she loses her heritage and they do not teach "American History".
So when we return home in April, I will make a stop at Barnes and Noble and buy an American History book and she can home school.

Best of luck to you EARNIE!

rebtop
  3/9/2020 20:35 EST

Robert. Please don’t be so vague with Earnie. Explain to him what Barnes & Noble is. Please explain that it is not like Mc D. The only thing his knows is Faux News.

Earnestndeavor
  3/9/2020 20:42 EST

Self, welcome to the world of make believe. You and the rest of us have been legally and medically schooled by someone who is neither a lawyer or a doctor. He has even provided medical advice in the form of a Rx for corona virus. He was third in something but it certainly wasn’t his graduation class.

It’s truly sickening to watch the haters use this current crisis to attack our President and our country.

The blame for this crisis is undoubtedly at the feet of the communist Chinese government yet he avoids this fact in his anti- American diatribe.. In fact he has sided with the communist Chinese in previous post. He is a google goon who can copy and paste information but obviously lacks the cerebral capacity to process the information. While lacking legal or medical degrees he does have a masters in bovine excrement. He may be a Chinese troll although they are usually smarter than he..

Keep on kicking a$$ my friend and if you ever make it to my area of the Philippines there’s a chair at the table waiting.

Respectfully, Earnie

Robertdav298
  3/9/2020 20:46 EST

DEL SUR, you say other countries are testing THOUSANDS of PEOPLE PER DAY.

First of all, name these countries, other than, CHINA, ITALY or SOKOR.

Also how do you know that they are testing that many per day?

What are the tests? What is the criteria for testing?

Last question, is COVID 19 worse than the common flu in the US?

It is easy to blame those in charge for not doing enough to prevent outbreak But that is merely opinion and we already know what wagon your horse is hitched to, don't we.

I am sick and tired of your bias opinions concerning DT and truth be told I am not alone.
I suggest you find another forum that marches to the same tune as you.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 21:03 EST

Robert. I agree with Del on almost everything. Can’t remember what I did not agree with at this moment. ...I suggest that all tRump cultists go back to FB and your circle jerks. Get off of my forum. Take Ernie with you. .. Damn. I still get excited watching tRump talk.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 21:08 EST

Moronic Fl congressman Gaetz thought he was funny putting on a gas mask in Congress. Now he is on a 14 day isolation watch. Dump arsh repugs never learn. They. Just get stupider.

Earnestndeavor
  3/9/2020 21:48 EST

”Damn. I still get excited watching tRump talk.“

Someone’s watching to much pawn in grandma’s basement. Maybe we should refer to him as “sticky fingers”

DavaoDelSur1
  3/9/2020 21:54 EST

Little bobbie, get off your forum? Get a life, go burn some books, find some witches to put on trial. Form a circle jerk with you as pivitman. Stop worshipping your false idol orange clown.

Earnestndeavor
  3/9/2020 22:23 EST

”Get off of my forum.“

Actually it was your pervert partner who made that demand.

Maybe you have sticky fingers also.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 22:47 EST

Ernie. That is it. Off limits. Don't be talking about my grandma like that.

rebtop
  3/9/2020 22:51 EST

Ernie.. Why do you think i have sticky fingers. I don't. I keep licking them after.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/9/2020 23:57 EST

Robertdav298
Let me help DEL SUR ... Robertdav298 you asked a question of whose testing thousands of people per day and then rule out answering the countries that are testing thousands of people a day. You should work in the Senate. Did you know for the fact that the United States and South Korea both announced their first coronavirus on the same day? But since the United States only has 5 test kits per million people.... And let's keep in mind the first set of test kits were flawed... You can kinda understand why the United States has the highest death rate per confirmed cases. South Korea, by comparison, shows 7,500 confirmed cases was 53 dead.

How do we know there testing that many people a day because they say so.... When you think about why would any country say there testing that many people? Why would they report thousands confirmed? Not good for business.... Not good to sell your products people buyers will think the virus is inside every Samsung TV. Or you believe North Korea that has no cases? Or the chances of getting the virus are very low. So which one of these scenarios sounds more likely?

As for what tests are being done we can be sure of one thing China like I said before has changed its testing policies like five times skewing their numbers. They are 100% trying to get their factories back online and will put the sick in the factories and tell all the people everything is fine. But as I've said before we need to look at the world numbers outside of China they have been growing exponentially in multiple countries reporting increases in virus spread.

Sometimes you just have to look at the facts the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain but he killed a bunch of people around the planet. It's the ones that aren't reporting anything that you have to worry about. Right?

Your last question is COVID 19 worse than the common flu in the US? Well if you could ask the residents of a nursing home in Washington state they probably say yes.... Because they seem to survive the regular flow. This question seems really naïve to me and averted even from my own pharmacist... By the way he tried to sell me a flu shot at the same time. It's like asking is a hydrogen bomb worse than a data bomb hitting your city? If you want to think of the regular flu is killing 10,000 people a year you're correct and has Covid 19 killed 10,000 people a year. Well, the regular flu assuming they get the shot right as a vaccine. Keep in mind virologists usually base their predictions of what the put in the flu vaccine by studying outbreaks especially in places like China before they spread. China is good at making a lot of things including the world's viruses

Covid 19 is just starting to become a pandemic.... Yes, I said the P-word. Get used to it the World Health Organization sooner or later will cave in and call it what it is. So were at the beginning of a virus that started with one person 120 days ago. Just think about the scale of that?

The reason the question makes no sense to me about which is worse. His one because 10,000 people die from the flu and only 9,999 die from Covid 19.... You're right the flu is worse.... However this year we could lose 29,999 people. This is a new virus, that behaved differently, spreads in ways we don't understand, kills people that seem to be getting better in as little as 24 hours, with his country's closing borders, entire industries shutting down, plane and cruise ship cancellations, .. Economic disaster on the way . When's the last time we saw that with the regular flu?

TheIslandGeneration
  3/10/2020 01:11 EST

Robertdav298

First of all, Donald Trump could not have stopped the virus. So I don't blame you for that part. But to keep telling Americans that there's this low possibility the virus will infect them when it's simply not true and if anything the numbers were showing there's no way to stop it. It seems more political than actually trying to help.

Every country has made the mistake of imposing restrictions on people coming in from countries with the virus. Trump made the same mistake too little too late. I think you would agree in America we need to be leading the rest of the world not trying to kick the can down the road and hope this won't hit before the next election. But realize what's coming is a huge economic hit, right before election time.

That's not an opinion that is what's happening right now and in the near future. If the virus goes nuts in the USA that's going to be an even bigger problem. Trump just these do a good job and help people straight up. Keep in mind the Democrat's greater Savior is Bernie Sanders which I think was one of the original signers on the Magna Carta and slow Joe. Between all those guys you realize Trump is the youngest?

Keep in mind everyone in this form is probably in the 10 to 15% range of serious consequences from this virus. I would prefer Trump to get up and challenge the rest of the world and the rest the world companies to come up with a vaccine that can be proven it works in the shortest amount up time in the US will pay him $1 billion (given my we just set aside 8 billion) and for that, the US gets the rights to reproduce it with that other company wherever they may be. Second that they find a viable alternative to treatment is now being used to effectively prevent this virus from effectively turning into deadly pneumonia. The US will pay for that solution when it's proven to work.

You better politically it would be if you would do that? Do you know how much better Americans would be if you do that?

tlallen59
  3/10/2020 05:29 EST

This ain't your forum a$$hole so pound sand.

rebtop
  3/10/2020 05:30 EST

tRump only cares about the political consequences not about human life. Listen to what he says. Don’t bring in the ship BECAUSE it will add to the number infected in the US. WE are handling this PERFECTLY. The test kits are BEAUTIFUL. The guy is a moron.

rebtop
  3/10/2020 05:36 EST

When you are telling someone to pound sand, it is appropriate to name the person. Telling Robert to pound sand without a reason is rude. I hope he does not take it personally.

LarryKar
  3/10/2020 05:40 EST

Robert: Firstly i do not hate Trump. I pity him in a strange way as he bit off way more than he was qualified by temparament or ability to handle. It is historically fact that he destroyed by defunding and firing guy members of the CDC who were tasked to protect us from just what is happening. Paul Volcker, the economist who lead us out of the inflation that set in during the 70's once said " in a National Crisis the only real weapon a President has is his credibility." Sorry but to all but his hard corp followers Trump has almost none left.

rebtop
  3/10/2020 06:27 EST

Larry. My opinion exactly. tRump has no style. He runs everything with panache and no substance. He only knows a few adjectives and we hear them constantly. He is a national embarrassment. He reign will end just like Mussolini’s. And the legacy will be the same, disaster for the American people.

Earnestndeavor
  3/10/2020 06:45 EST

“ Ernie. That is it. Off limits. Don't be talking about my grandma like that.”

Reb, how about you attend a Trump rally, become inspired and escape grandma’s basement.

rebtop
  3/10/2020 07:03 EST

Ernie. Unlike you I aspire to escape my grandma’s dank & dirty basement. You seem comfortable living like that. My cellar metaphor was about your life as a trumpy. I elevated myself by not falling into the dark side, of life. Why don’t you try it.

surfingcebu
  3/10/2020 07:15 EST

Redtop- your especially combative tonight. What’s really bothering you? We are here to help!

surfingcebu
  3/10/2020 07:15 EST

Redtop- your especially combative tonight. What’s really bothering you? We are here to help!

Earnestndeavor
  3/10/2020 08:40 EST

“Ernie. Unlike you I aspire to escape my grandma’s dank & dirty basement.“

Reb I have never been in your grandma’s basement.

tlallen59
  3/10/2020 09:28 EST

Robert's not dumb enough to buy your spin dimtop.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/10/2020 11:25 EST

But real close to be dumb enough. Short bus for trump, he loves him some low information voters.
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DavaoDelSur1
  3/10/2020 11:46 EST

Dumb enough for you all to be useful idiots for Vladimir Putin. Don't underestimate yourselves.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/10/2020 11:55 EST

Robertdav298

You don't have to wait until you get back to the US and get a history book at Barnes & Noble.

Online there are tons of homeschooling history lessons. One example would be https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history It's free and just one of many classes out there from different sites. YouTube also has a number of history teachers some boring some quite interesting but the point is you can pre-read them find one that fits what you'd like to have your daughter learn. It's free and she can learn at their own pace.

There are many many sites on Native American cultures and videos that may be helpful in a general way as way as well as maybe sites that explain the history of a particular tribe.

tombalita1
  3/10/2020 13:21 EST

Island,

Good recommendation. Khan Academy is great.

Tsmslf
  3/10/2020 13:33 EST

Mr. Kar: It is false to say that Trump defunded the CDC. His budget did ask for less money but Congress disagreed with his proposed cuts which he had proposed in earlier proposed budgets.

The president cannot slash funds appropriated by Congress nor can he add funds. Only Congress may add or reduce funding to any federal entity. And only the House may propose new spending bills per the Constitution.

To say Trump defunded the CDC is a lie or a lack of knowledge. Democrats lied as they said a proposal was a "slash". In fact, it was a request to slash which is a different thing altogether. It is also true that a similar request has been made by Trump in prior budget requests and denied in all I think.

Politics ain't beanbag the saying goes but it is disgusting in that so much slanting of truth goes on from all sides and persons. That's why I declined to run when asked years ago. I cannot and will not deal politely with such. I see the same in lawyering but not so much and, usually, in my level of cases, it's limited to a person or a small group of people not the USA.

And before someone says Trump muzzled the CDC staff, Dr. Fauci who was the front man has repeatedly denied being "muzzled" even though he cancelled appearances on several Sunday talk shows but only, he said, to recalibrate as Pence was just then appointed to head the team. He resubmitted his appearance requests and they were approved.

You can look it up; I did.

tombalita1
  3/10/2020 15:42 EST

Tsmslf,

Thank you for that sir. However, don't expect acknowledgement of those facts from some here. Trump's guilt in their eyes would be that he WANTED to cut the CDC budget. As you are well aware, here in DC a cut is a cut even if the cost is increasing and it was merely a cut in the rate of growth. The Left is very clever in their choice of words and then their dependence on the "low information voter". That was a term coined by conservatives, but seemingly on this form, liberals have hijacked that term as they do most things..

TheIslandGeneration
  3/10/2020 17:48 EST

Cutting the CDC $$

I agree did not cut but wanted to....wait for it........., but TODAY, Russ Vought, with White House Office of Management and Budget, proposed cuts to health services and the the CDC 3/10/20.

President Trump’s 2021 budget does propose cutting the CDC funding by 15 percent and $35 million decrease for Infectious Diseases Rapid Response Reserve Fund.

Now I guess the 8.3 billion emergency supplemental funding for COVID-19 does overlap ? Yes, no, maybe

LarryKar
  3/10/2020 19:07 EST

Tsmslf typical flim flam and picking on words. Have you received your official Trump fiddle to play while the country burns? If you watch the faces of the people behind Trump they tell you all you need to know. Thank you for at least not rehashing about the time your closing remarks at trial caused Clarence Darrow to just walk away knowing he had lost.

Robertdav298
  3/10/2020 20:21 EST

OK........how many of you posters on this forum have ever lived in China, SOKOR or Italy for longer than one month?

How many of you have ever visited mainland China?

I am guessing maybe one or two. The reason I am asking is that you guys post information about countries that you get from the INTERNET and the news.

Until you have been to these countries for any length of time and see how the government, media and population survives. I think it would be a good idea to keep your thoughts to yourself because you are infecting the forum with false narratives, especially when it comes from CHINA.

Island, REB, DAVOA and Larry, if you were president indulge us just how you would have handled the covid 19 from day one.
I would personally be interested in hearing from the peanut gallery.

LovePhilly
  3/10/2020 21:45 EST

Well, it looks like sleepy Joe will likely get the nomination. You poor Dems. Not a chance.

This guy has lost his mental capacity. Doesn't that scare you? Seriously??

rebtop
  3/10/2020 22:50 EST

Robert.. First off describing my efforts to control the virus would be different. I would have gone further than tRump. Here it goes .... I told my underlings to perform the most perfect effort in the history efforts. The most perfect masks available to everyone at any time for any amount. I proclaim that this virus be gone, IN THE Name OF TRUMP !!! I COMMAND THAT WARM WEATHER STARTS NOW!!!! I put my perfect VP in charge of information. I reserve the right to constantly correct him if his message is not PERFECT. I will be the perfect transparent president. You will know everything I want to tell you. My guesstimate of the number of cases is not to be questioned. I have perfect scientific facts to back it up. I will have test kits available tomorrow in beautiful amounts. You will get tired of testing. SO HELP ME TRUMP. ..... did I miss anything in my perfect description of what I would do?

TheIslandGeneration
  3/11/2020 00:21 EST

Robertdav298 Just "elected" me president of the United States. How would I have handled Covid 19 from day one? Well, that assumes we know what day one actually is so let's go back to when the Chinese in January started to report about a virus that started at the beginning of December that looked like SARS. The CDC tells me SARS has a 10% death rate. I need intelligence to monitor what's going on the ground in China. We need to stay up all night on this so order some Moo Goo Gai Pan with extra MSG .. we will sweat it out all night.

Looks like the Chinese are dropping like their building the transcontinental railway. Something's wrong here. We can't believe their propaganda but this is hitting them so fast they can't hide it. Not yet. Doctors and nurses from China are posting videos and then being suppressed for it... So now we know it's real. Now the Chinese are trying to cover up the numbers to get its production back online.

I need all forms of government to understand what the Chinese are doing on the ground how they're fighting this what methods are working and what is not. They are isolating their people at the risk of manufacturing. They are taking that quite seriously so we know that they are in full cover-up mode.

We need to make sure we can test for this virus. We need to make sure all of America is on alert. I need to address the American people

Dear Americans, we may be facing an epidemic or a pandemic. I've instructed my staff to set up various websites so you can be better informed as to the changing pace of this new virus and how it might affect you and our country. I will set up a medical staff with other people that can better understand this crisis to inform us all so we can make rapid decisions

Back to a staff meeting.. I understand this breaking out in South Korea, Japan, and Italy. South Korea and Italy are reporting a lot of deaths. 186 now in one day. While some of you might think that's fake news what country would ruin its tourist industry, restaurants, and economy to lie about something like this? Simple answer nobody... This is real and you have to be a fool not to see it for what it is.

Let's go to the present day and forward into the future. This should be fun

Keep all our ships at sea, no shore leave keep our military protected and isolated. We've got a cruise ship with people coming in. Isolate them into a military port where we have control. I want the US military to set up every freaking tent they need. Place couples or families in each one of the tents spacing them far enough apart that they can't spread anything. Have them feed the people and medically check them with hazard suits. This way we can isolate who's infected and who's not. Make sure the crew and every one possible is also off the boat and in those tents. Every country. We don't want to look like we're so arrogant we would only protect ourselves.

Ramp up our testing kits. If we have to buy them from other countries do so, seems like South Korea's got thousands of them. This can be a stopgap for now. Make sure we can overnight any kits to any doctor anywhere in the US in small amounts to meet their needs. Set up a task force to work with the large suppliers Amazon, Walmart, and others get them in here and make sure they have what they need to supply the American people whatever they need.

We have over $8 billion allocated by Congress and I signed that puppy. Instead of trying to do this all ourselves let's put out a billion-dollar reward for the first company anywhere in the world that can demonstrate a viable vaccine that we can test and replicate the results quickly. Pay that company that made it. Another billion dollars for those companies that can fast-track whatever drugs are necessary to treat the people in the United States that are sick and try to help them survive this SARS-like pneumonia.

We will get the world's attention and help if we do this. Let everyone know were not asking for exclusivity but speed. We can't contain this so we need to now figure out how to minimize its impact on the American people.

Who just suggested a bailout for the oil companies... Really? ... That was OPEC and Russia nothing to do with the virus forget it. Stay on task not help friends.

Once we have the vaccine and antiviral or other medications that work. But internally figure out how we can make these in America or work with countries that don't seem to be getting the infection and work with their labs to get productivity up fast

I "had a very good talk with President Xi of China" seems like he might be quite interested in modifying the trade deals got him in a good position he needs his production up we need to utilize it, He's got starving people that have been isolated way too long and we got food, let's get our farms shipping it.

We need to give power to the states, insurance companies and anyone that will provide testing. We need to get our governors who declared emergencies in all states to unite and share information by the minute. We need to bring on Johns Hopkins University who has already started tracking and have them and their programmers build ways so we know what's going on by the second who needs what and where hotspots develop. We need to embrace the media so that they realize their patriotic duty to help everyone and to report the truth

We need to do all this in days not weeks the virus doesn't take a vacation but it does go to church, your work and to the subway

Speech

My fellow Americans while many of us have suffered through this virus when I saw 19 people, that looked like my grandparents, die in a flash in one nursing home in Washington state, from this evil virus, I knew we had to put everything America had into getting the world united and defeating this. This is about bipartisanship to fight a common foe of humanity.

I want to get America well again... with the strength and the dignity of the American people, we will not only be triumphant in helping figure out a vaccine but also create a program to cure the infected.

We will share that information and help the world do the same. We will no longer fear this virus but defeat it and save the world keeping America as the leader of a "freed" world.

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Do you think I should run as an independent? Come on Robert give us a hug. And by the way I like to thank my staff "the peanut gallery" because they had the NUTS to do the right thing.

LarryKar
  3/11/2020 00:45 EST

Robertdav298 I do owe the forum a halfway apology. I did do broader reading and found that Trump did try but failed to cut funding for the CDC. I was mislead by both the media and Trump himself when he responded to the question with a vague answer about he just never thought money for Pandemic protection was needed as there had not been one for so long. As to what i would do I'm not tasked to have a plan thats why i thought we elected Presidents. I do know i would have listened to the proper Science people who tried to warn him weeks before he did anything. I do know i would not have appointed a guy who as Governor during the Aids crisis proved himself a total Science Denier and almost certainly cost many people their life. I would'nt have attempted to keep facts from the public by saying only Pence could approve any news updates. I wouldnt have gone on TV today and acted proud of the fact I'm foolish enough to not stop shaking hands with crowds of people. Such a fine example he is.

darkfader24
  3/11/2020 00:56 EST

Gentlemen - Regarding Covid 19, some thoughts. Yes, it is highly contagious. And has been confirmed so far to be mostly dangerous towards those with compromised immune systems, Asthma, COPD, and those over 60 years of age - especially those weak in the lungs. From what I have read, with proper care, most normally healthy younger people have a 100% recovery rate. Last night I looked up the CDC's estimates for American deaths from "The Common Flu" from Oct 1, 2019 through Feb 29, 2020 to be 20,000 to 52,000. Those are some serious numbers. Do you hear ANY hysteria from the News Media regarding this? Up to 52,000 people in 5 months? That sounds like quite a Pandemic!! And how many have died from Corona in the last 2 to 3 months (I include December 2019, when it was sure to be present in someone here)? Today ABC News said so far 30 deaths. Compare 30 deaths to 20,000 to 52,000. NOW - we are getting some perspective. In regards to Trump's response: He was up and rolling on this within 3 weeks. How long did it take Barack Obama to respond to the H1N1/Swine Flu Virus? Ummm, that would be 6 months. 22 MILLION Americans infected - approx. 4,000 died. I don't recall any cries from the Media for Obama to be impeached, tarred and feathered. In fact, I don't recall any kind of outcries at all. Maybe the News Media had a Love Affair with Obama, and a Hate Affair with Trump. Selective reporting, I think. Today Pence confirmed with a number of Health Insurance companies that they will cover ALL expenses in relation to Covid 19, and demand zero co-pay, and no "Hidden Fees or upcharges". I call that "Getting something of value done!" I know, I know - I'm going to be called out for being an Orange Clown lover, and all sorts of nasty remarks. Go ahead, it doesn't hurt my feelings, it doesn't make me mad. I grew up a person of non-color (I guess) within an All Black Ghetto - I learned to have thick skin back in the 1950s as a child. All I care about are facts. Opinions don't mean sh#t. And just cuz I bring forth my comments doesn't mean that I'm a jerk, either. People here don't know me. I have many very Conservative AND Liberal Friends. I am kind to them all. When someone is down or hungry and needs rent money I am there for them, even if they love to argue with me as a Conservative.

darkfader24
  3/11/2020 01:06 EST

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LarryKar
  3/11/2020 02:24 EST

dark: Nice defense of your hero but in your heart of hearts you surely know he does not care about people. He has demonstrated that over and over. He was so concerned he flew off to a love fest in India. Calling it all a hoax until he saw his favorite claim to fame, the Economy, tanking. There i fixed it for you.

tlallen59
  3/11/2020 05:22 EST

I lived and worked in Nanjing China for 2 years only coming back for a month at a time to avoid tax implications which was mandated by the company I was working for. (A.O. Smith)I loved it and never had a problem with the people or the government except when our embassy's were bombed and the government made us stay in the hotel for 2 days while things calmed down. This was in the late 90's so maybe things have changed. The quote that comes to mind in all of this is "Trust but verify".

tlallen59
  3/11/2020 05:33 EST

Right on darkfader24.

rebtop
  3/11/2020 05:38 EST

Dark. Reading your abbreviated autobiography it seems we similar backgrounds.

LovePhilly
  3/11/2020 13:05 EST

Joe Biden is literally becoming senile at age 77. This is not an insult, it's very real and sad for anybody. Now I understand there is a group out there that just hates Trump and wants him gone. I get that but doesn't it scare you to think of putting someone who is losing their mental facilities in the most powerful office in the world?

For heaven's sake, he makes up stories about his past because he remembers them wrong. He doesn't know where he is located half the time. He cursed out a voter the other day (among many).

I mean come on people, please. Once he gets the nomination his staff is going to hide him from the public as much as possible. They will keep his speeches to six minutes with a teleprompter. They will do all they can to hide his senility from the American public.

This is more scary than the virus....

DavaoDelSur1
  3/11/2020 18:03 EST

Pot calling kettle,Trump has dementia.

rebtop
  3/11/2020 18:18 EST

Love. Biden May be losing his faculties but tRump has lost his. He is clinically senile. Biden’s stories has a measure of credibility. tRump makes things up as he goes. Are you sure he had the largest attendance at his inauguration.? What number did he say? 100 billion? He is stealing money from my military health coverage to build his wall. The same wall Mexico volunteered to build? I am so glad we are easily winning the tariff war, as promised. China is paying the tariff and not the USA. While his farmers are receiving WELFARE. GD takers watching grass grow on my dime.

rebtop
  3/11/2020 18:20 EST

Sorry Robert. I cannot promise to stop bashing this president. Bob

DavaoDelSur1
  3/11/2020 19:25 EST

Nothing is more dangerous than a cornered animal. Trump is frothing at the mouth. He knows Biden should kick his ass. With his lack of leadership on the coronavirus and the economy tanking, he sees the writing on the wall. Expect all kind of bs rhetoric coming from the bloated orange clown.

rebtop
  3/11/2020 19:45 EST

He gave his farm base $35,000,000,000 in welfare. Much more than any poor citizen would ever get in food stamps. Just to watch grass grow. Freaking takers. With their expensive cell phones and Cadillacs. Make them work for a living. ... Now he is going to give the same amount of welfare to his fracking friends. Just to let them gather at a bar and drink beer and smoke. Lock tRump up. Lock tRump up. Lock tRump up. All together now.. Lock tRump up..

Tsmslf
  3/11/2020 20:43 EST

By this time you should know that what you wrote in not true. The President cannot give any group or person a nickel unless it has been appropriated by Congress and all such money bills by the Constitution MUST originate in the democrat controlled House without exception. The president can veto or negotiate but only Congress can appropriate, i.e., authorize, the actual funds. Thus, Trump gave nobdy anything not authorized by the minions of Mrs. Pelousi.

darkfader24
  3/11/2020 20:49 EST

Rebtop - In your response to Robert regarding what you would do about the Corona - It was cute and sarcastic. But sarcasm. while very entertaining, doesn't answer the question nor does it help anyone. We can all endlessly sit in criticism of those who have enormous and very stressful tasks in trying to keep an entire Nation safe. Anyone can be an armchair quarterback - but do any of the critics have REAL SOLUTIONS?

darkfader24
  3/11/2020 21:17 EST

Reb - My story is a little bit crazy. I'd love to hear yours. I think that you told me once that you grew up in a Philadelphia Ghetto - of which there are many. LOL. What you say about Farmers may be true. Do you know any? I live in Fresno, CA. Fresno County is the most prolific food generating area in the USA - maybe the World. The World AG Expo just wrapped - it is located in Tulare, CA, a farm community just south of Fresno, and happens yearly, drawing people from most Nations. They feature the latest High Tech regarding farming, which is serious business. We have to do a better job of feeding the World. Fresno County sends a HUGE amount of food, especially Fruits and Veggies to the entire USA and many other Nations. I have a number of friends and associates who are farmers, and they work really, really hard. One good friend is a pretty good Country Singer and records music at my studio. He gets up before the Sun and is out there bailing hay, riding a tractor, hammering poles in the ground for fences, works on broken irrigation pipes, etc. When he arrives at the studio he is covered from head to toe with brown dirt and smells of sweat. He's not a pig. He just works so many hours that if he stopped to clean up he wouldn't get here until 10 at night - record for 4 hours, drive home, clean up, go to bed and get up at 4 AM. So, it's ok with me if he comes here dirty at 7 PM. Point is, he busts his keister. All the other guys I know in farming also work very hard and many hours. I can't speak for all of them - just the ones that I know. BTW - some of them are also highly educated with Graduate and Master Degrees in Agronomy - from right here at Fresno State - University of California. They use all kinds of High Tech. I make commercials for several Hi Tech Irrigation and Soil Enhancing companies.

tombalita1
  3/11/2020 21:43 EST

True that it’s from the House Budget Committee and then the Appropriations Committee. You can bet there was also a lot there that Dems put in the bill.

tombalita1
  3/11/2020 21:54 EST

Dark,

Spent a couple of summers out there in 69-70. Lived with a high school buddy that transferred there because his brother was stationed at Lemoore. I can’t remember if we lived on Olive or Wishon. Ran out of money so had to go pick peaches for Saroyan Bros in Sanger. Hard work, hot and itchy. Got arrested for disrobing at Bass Lake, or was it Millerton? The San Joaquin and Central Valleys feed a lot of the world. Those farmers are the greatest!!!

rebtop
  3/11/2020 21:58 EST

TS. I do not remember Pelosi signing checks to farmers. I cannot imagine any democrat authorizing $35,000,000,000 to the farm belt takers. It came from the CCC, a fund set up years ago. It was designed to help small farmers make it thru weather issues. Not for political purposes so tRump does not lose votes by hurting his base. ... Well his incompetence can not accommodated for now. He pushed the world to the economic brink playing god. I guess he is not god. And we are not his apostles.

rebtop
  3/11/2020 22:14 EST

Dark. Yep. K & A area. Actually Torresdale & Margaret. Back in the day it was a mass ghetto. Violent place. You grew up fast. Left when I was 12. ..... what I saw stays with me today. Actually jungle law. Many of the kids my age were still innocent, others were pure animals. All black. .. The innocent kids did not have a chance. My grade school was 4 miles away and my mother walked us to and from there every school day. It was a normal. School. They went to a segregated all black prison. No education was possible. We moved when we graduated from there. The poor souls left behind were doomed to hell.

Robertdav298
  3/12/2020 01:00 EST

ISLAND........you got my vote......lets have a bowl of peanuts.

Robertdav298
  3/12/2020 01:08 EST

TALLEN........I had lots of friends that worked at AO SMITH.......making motors in CINCY OH.
As a matter of fact AO Smith in order to save $$$$ and compete with the crappy but cheap Chinese motors partnered with a motor factory in China. They sent Quality Engineers to china to train the chinese on how to make good quality motors despite being made in China.
However as I recall all the training in the world cannot teach quality.

Robertdav298
  3/12/2020 01:13 EST

LOVE.........the rumor mill is saying that Biden is just the front man. The Dems know he is becoming senile. Guess who is waiting in the wings to save the day and the dem party.......the one an only HC )-

No matter though DT will get re-elected.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/12/2020 01:50 EST

Keep spinning on Biden. The stock market is tanking aka the Trump dump. Coronavirus is shutting down the US .Trump has failed to lead. His lies a distortions will come back to haunt him and us. He has no chance for reelection.

darkfader24
  3/12/2020 03:44 EST

Tombalita - How funny - I just sold my house at the corner of Wishon and University Ave - a block between Fresno High and Fresno City College. You might have lived at Wishon AND Olive, where the "Tower Theater" is. Those two streets intersect. Bass Lake is up in the mountains somewhat near Yosemite. You were probably at Millerton Lake which is much closer to Fresno - but still a bit of a drive. Well, now I have lived where you have - and also Rebtop. Maybe others. It's a small world (after all - quote from Uncle Walt Disney).

darkfader24
  3/12/2020 04:15 EST

Rebtop - Wow! So sorry that you had to grow up in those circumstances - and yet, they were highly educational - and maybe motivational. You don't need to answer this - but I am curious: What ethnicity are you? As I have said, I am mixed Native American (Tarahumara/Pima/Apache) and English-Polish on my Mother's side. She is very much a Pale-Face (hahaha) so I am somewhat mild complected, although my Father was very dark toned. Anyway, as far as my Black Bruthas and Sistahs were concerned, I was just a plain ole white "Kracka". I was so used to being called a Cracka and they called each other the N Word all the time that I never felt insulted. I just rolled with it. They called me Cracka but if my Mom had ever heard me call them anything other than their proper names she would have skinned me alive. To this day - and I turned 66 today - ice water runs in my veins when I hear the N Word. I find it so offensive. Ice Cube and many others defend the use of it - but to me it seems so offensive. I just can't get used to the disrespect. Anyhow - I grew up most of my 13 years on a street called Cammac between Lombard & Pine near 12th street. A neighbor of mine was six years older than me, half Black, half Hungarian. He lived with his Hungarian Mother in a one room block house at Camac and Waverly - two streets so narrow that you could barely fit a VW Bug down them. He never came out cuz he was furiously practicing piano all the time in there. He was discovered by Leonard Bernstein at the age of 12 and rocketed to fame, eventually becoming the greatest pianist in the World. His name? Andre Watts. His Mom used to come out and tell us to be quiet cuz we were so noisy playing Cowboys and Indians around their house. Well, then we moved a block over to Rodman St between Lombard and South Streets - still near 12th St. That was a really bad area. The first big race riot happened on our very block. Before Detroit and the infamous Watts Riot. A very sad and frustrating time for many. It was all cleaned up and made quite "Posh" for the 1976 "Bicentennial" but we missed that part cuz in 1967 my Step-Dad, who was a Pathologist (Jefferson Medical in Philly) was moved by Uncle Sam to Gallup NM to work at the big Indian Hospital. It mostly served Navajos, since they were the most populous, but also handled the Zuni, Laguna, and Hopi Mesa Pueblo Indians. Talk about a different culture!! And I loved every second of it. Going to the Amazing Dances, the incredible Jewelry, and Art Work. The Natives are an incredibly Soulful, Artistic, and Gifted People. Gallup annually holds "The Indian Ceremonial", which is 3 nights of beautiful dances from approx. 50 tribes, including the Aztecs. They come from all over. The art and weaving displays, and fantastic food are such a treat. I've been away from it since 1971, although I've gone back for Ceremonial several other times. I miss it terribly. It changed my life. I'm sure that most of the people on this forum have lived a lot of different lives between childhood, schooling, military, civilian experiences - moving around a lot. I have read the many experiences of TSM and Sug/Goslig, a little bit of RobertDav and Surf, and from what I can tell, you have had some amazing experiences also. My hat is off to ALL of you, no matter your ethnicity, politics, philosophy. You guys are Truly The Salt of The Earth!!

tlallen59
  3/12/2020 05:29 EST

Robert, we built a water heater plant in Nanjing and that was about the same story. We would build the machines in Milwaukee and ship them to China then we as a team from the research and development facility would install them and train the operators. Not one water heater made in China ever comes back to the US as they need every one. Quite the eye opening experience. At the end of the day we would gather in the hotel bar (about 10 of us) and run up a 2000 dollar bar bill! What a great time!

tlallen59
  3/12/2020 05:32 EST

Put the dope pipe down davao that stuff's no good for you.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 05:55 EST

Robert. Seems tRump is having one of his lucid moments. Instead of calling the pandemic a hoax, he is stopping all European travel. Must be on his meds again. Or he is having glorification withdrawal. Had to stop his pep rally’s. I know he has Putin envy after getting elected for life.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 06:50 EST

Dark. Caucasian. I too cringe when I hear a black person being called a N.... in a disdainful way. A child’s experience cannot be judged against other experiences because there were none. At the time everything seem normal. It is not till later that we see how horrible it actually was. Looking back, I am not sure how I survived being a little white boy in a violent black world. I saw a lot.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 07:01 EST

OK. Raise your hands if you trust tRump to lead us out of this pandemic. I do not see any raised hands. I used the same principle tRump used to find out how many virus cases we have in the states. Very scientific.

darkfader24
  3/12/2020 07:25 EST

Red - Wow! You were Caucasian too. That is nuts. What were our parents thinking? I got a lot of exercise - running!! I experienced a lot of racism - I'm sure that you did too. But not too much from the kids on my block. We built these "Skate Boards" which were a 2 x 4. We'd buy a single roller skate from the rummage store for a dime, saw it in half, and nail each half to the bottom of the front & back of the board. We'd buy an old wood milk crate and nail it to the top to hold on to, get on the board and scoot down the street, racing each other. On a Summer night we'd go for hours screaming and laughing our heads off. When kids are just having fun and relating to each other - it's pure acceptance. No racism, no malice. We had a blast - just being kids. I wish that we had that now, as adults. Really. My first two girlfriends were on that block and Black. I didn't think anything of it. We just liked each other. On hot Summer Days we'd play in the water coming from the fire hydrant. So much fun!

tombalita1
  3/12/2020 09:38 EST

Wow, "bitchin" as we used to say. If I can remember correctly, I saw Country Joe & the Fish at Tower Theater. Or maybe at Selland Arena.

tombalita1
  3/12/2020 09:41 EST

Raising my hand !!

tombalita1
  3/12/2020 09:53 EST

Rob,

A lot of theories what the Dems are doing. I'm sure Obama is in the middle of it. Hillary has never wanted anything so bad! If Biden was to become president, he would certainly be a figure head with other running the show. Michelle maybe?
Let's just make sure whoever they decide on that it won't matter. Trump 2020 !!

DavaoDelSur1
  3/12/2020 16:38 EST

Seriously guys no bs, animosity aside. Do you really think Trump has a realistic chance in November with the stock market crashing and Coronavirus on the march. Let's get real and post your predictions. I say bigger blue wave for the Democrats than 2008 under Obama.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/12/2020 17:11 EST

Too all.. be safe

Trump's speech was painful... He stuck to the Teleprompter. But as I mentioned before the antivirals... Trump said we need to ramp up the production of antivirals.

Maryland, Virginia, Ohio and New York: state of emergency. closing all sports events, even the DMV, government. New York City shutting down bars and some restaurants. But seem to apply fast-food restaurants that didn't utilize seating may stay open.

Called a couple of doctors offices I know in Maryland they said no test kits and the county health system that needs to coordinate, no one answers the phone.

Hopefully, the Philippines' warm weather will stop the coronavirus however it's important to understand no one has immunity to this. Since cases are popping up everywhere where limited test kits are being used. You can assume it is extremely widespread. States and insurance companies in the US are starting to set up their testing and following South Korea's idea of drive-up testing with eight centers around the US and more to come.

Economic disaster will be huge. Watch for airlines go bankrupt... Not to mention cruise ships. Restaurants will take a heavy toll if they can stay afloat at all.
It's not about containment. it's about survival in the USA if you're over 60.

CDC says they may ask anyone over 60 to stay home.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 18:34 EST

Dark. China seems to be successful with their response. Shut it down. No contact, no spread. We don’t know the extent of the contagion here because we are not testing enough. .... As you requested I will not apportion blame. .. Entities are handling things themselves without federal guidelines. The people in government and medical professionals are terrified to suggest anything contrary to official policy. Result is chaos. I will not apportion blame. ... Oil is dropping precipitously because we do not lead in confronting Putin. The US oil industry, especially fracking, will wither and die. Our federal government will inject $65,000,000,000 into that industry just to keep it afloat. But I will not apportion blame. We are doomed by this administration but I will not apportion blame.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 18:50 EST

Dark there was no comradery. In this neighborhood. We had our Wilmot St gang and they had there gang. And mostly hostility. .. Until we moved at age 12. I went back a couple of years later and was disappointed to see what had become of my friends. Most had hardened beyond any expectations. Never went back after that. Poverty destroys people.

darkfader24
  3/12/2020 18:58 EST

Island Gen - The World is in for a rough ride, for sure. All of us are going to be affected economically. Sadly, the good times never last. Let's lay the blame at the feet of those who are REALLY responsible - China. When Trump cancelled flights to and from China - Joe Biden called him a Xenophobe. Now Biden is saying that he didn't react soon enough. In January, it was called a potential Pandemic. Within 3 weeks Trump responded - not like 6 months after H1N1 was declared a problem - as the Administration that Biden was a big part of did. Trump calls off travel to and from Europe - and he's a jerk, they say. Yet we have an entire country there - Italy - in self quarantine. Major portions of France and Germany with Corona problems. Relatively speaking, The USA is affected very little - but of course, all precaution should be taken. However, Trump might take the Fall for the Stock Market crashes and Corona. We all need someone to blame, right? "Crucify him! Crucify him!" We will see. But Pandemics obey no one, so if Trump says "Halt!", if Biden or Bernie say "Halt!" Corona will raise it's middle finger to all of them.

Earnestndeavor
  3/12/2020 19:01 EST

DDS1 says;

“ Seriously guys no bs, animosity aside. Do you really think Trump has a realistic chance in November with the stock market crashing and Coronavirus on the march. Let's get real and post your predictions. I say bigger blue wave for the Democrats than 2008 under Obama.”

Predictions are difficult, especially about the future.

rebtop
  3/12/2020 20:26 EST

Dark two points. China is not to blame. Unless you want to blame them for being them epicenter in the beginning.. They controlled the spread with decisive leadership. What we are sorely lacking here. tRump told us to go out. No need to worry. It will blow over when it gets warm. It is always warm in Fl. Yet Gov. DeSantis declared a medical emergency. Right away tRumps hatchet men , Rubio and Scott, criticized him publicly for going against the republican talking points. SAD

rebtop
  3/12/2020 20:27 EST

Missed point dos. Crucify him! Crucify him.

tombalita1
  3/12/2020 20:31 EST

Dark,

I guess if we were China, we could just blockade whole cities and restrict what little freedom they have to move about. But like our other comrades here, I will not apportion blame.

Earnestndeavor
  3/12/2020 23:11 EST

Reb says;
“ China is not to blame.”

China is absolutely unquestionably to blame.

China started the virus.

China concealed the virus.
China lied about the virus.
China failed to contain the virus.

Now because of China thousands will die, the entire world will suffer economically.
So let’s not for one minute forget who is the bad guy when it comes to corona virus.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/12/2020 23:52 EST

Earnestndeavor

I would say predictions on the political side here are very difficult. To me, there are 3 main outcomes

The virus turns out to be seasonal. This would allow Trump to do some damage control the end of summer and he would claim like any politician would that he helped bring it under control even though it might be mother nature. That might get his basic cited and others to see Trump is the one who brought us out of doing. That may just come down to timing. But the other side of that is that since the US military is already planning this to come back come November or December that means that after the election this virus could be right back on us but that maybe after a vote. Trump also might be seen as the one that could help us get out of the financial nightmare were in.

Biden certainly, strengthens his position if this virus continues through the summer. Biden will be able to play the political card that Trump put us in this position. He acted to slow. At that point, he may be able to point out that other countries Taiwan a good example which is only 80 miles away from China actually at this moment only has 45 cases. I believe the cases in the United States will skyrocket once the test gets actually get working or the states take over and this will be disaster city. Biden can play into all that.

The third option may be one that no one thought of and sounds a bit strange, but you guys know who I am. Essentially the three candidates, throw Bernie in there. Have been out pressing the flesh in one form or the other. Bernie had a heart attack he's at extremely high risk of this virus. Biden's been out there. Pence and Trump at meetings have certainly been near people that have now been confirmed as having the coronavirus.

Anyone of these political figures or all three could get sick and I'm just saying if a few of them succumb to the virus? Bernie is out of the race but he could be really out of the race. Even if one other top contenders got really sick from this it could change the outcome. Weakness. This is a veritable I think that's likely to happen to at least one.

If the President and vice president get sick and get incapacitated.... Nancy Pelosi ? Oh my

TheIslandGeneration
  3/13/2020 00:09 EST

rebtop

Crucify him! Crucify him. Seriously I could not get the movie/play "Jesus Christ superstar" out of my head...
The next lines after that are:
What do you mean? You'd crucify your king? ...He's done no wrong - no, not the slightest thing!

TheIslandGeneration
  3/13/2020 00:45 EST

tombalita1 and Dark ... just blockade whole cities ... National Guard is helping enforce new restrictions on public gatherings starting in New Rochelle, N.Y. The National Guard is flying Hueys from Andrews Air Force Base to DC a lot tonight... New York City is restricting the gatherings of people. also It's getting a little weird in the US of A. I think Once virus test start coming back positive all over lock-downs will become increasingly thought of as the way to stop the virus. But of course, the infection rate will be much higher than what's able to be tested but I think the knee-jerk reaction will be to try to contain just like China did just like Italy's doing. Americans are certainly not used to that there may be some showdowns. Were still in the sci-fi movie it's quite surreal

I was hoping the Philippines heat would stop the virus but with Manila in some form of lock-down and cases breaking out in Florida the administration may try further containment. But I think we're way past that point on Friday the 13th

DavaoDelSur1
  3/13/2020 01:26 EST

The U.S. economy predicted the winner of 16 of the previous 18 elections where a sitting president was up for re-election, according to LPL Financial. You have to reach back to Calvin Coolidge in 1924 to find the last time the economy was wrong regarding the re-election of a president.

“Incredibly, the last 11 times there wasn’t a recession within two years of a re-election, the sitting president won,” Ryan Detrick, senior market strategist at LPL Financial, said in a note. “Compare that to the seven times there was a recession, and the incumbent president didn’t get re-elected five of those times.”

rebtop
  3/13/2020 05:08 EST

Earnest. China started the virus? The virus started in China is the correct wording. You are a never China person. A China hater. It colors all of your comments.

rebtop
  3/13/2020 06:09 EST

Thinking a little bit back and evaluating the economic genius of tRump, here is what transpired. The tax cuts for businesses that would reinvigorate the US and world economy was a tragedy. They said the tax cut would allow businesses to bring money back and expand their businesses thus creating beautiful jobs. With the promise of not using the cuts for buybacks. Perfect trickledown voodoo economics.
Well they lied. All businesses used the money for buybacks to drive up stock prices and enrich the rich. tRump included. .. Stocks prices became too inflated to be sustainable. Then chaos theory came into play. Repugs and their trickledown. All trick and down.

LovePhilly
  3/13/2020 08:58 EST

I agree with you IslandGeneration and I know what your intent is...I just want to note that the National Guard fly's Black Hawks. They have not flown Huey's in many years.

The Huey (Iroquois) replaced the Sioux that was flown in Korea. The Black Hawk replaced the Iroquois. And yes, all U.S. Army helicopters are named for American Indian Nations. Air Assault!!!

tombalita1
  3/13/2020 11:30 EST

Earnest,

Seems to me the stock market (Dow) was well on the way towards 30,000 when the Wuhan virus hit. The tax cuts have really boosted the economy. The middle class, of which most have IRA's, TSP's, 401K/403B's, and a whole host of other retirement plans benefit. The rich get richer and so do we. Of course if you have more money, you will make more., DUH !! A rising tide raises all boats, that's simple economics. I'm looking forward to the virus subsiding so the economy can go back to growing and benefitting all. I can hear the critics already, the same ones as always. If someone can come up with an economic plan that targets only a certain economic class for growth, good luck. It's been tried before and failed, much like Socialism and Communism. I hope Buffet, Gates, Bezos and Musk all get richer, and some will pass down to me. Them getting richer, doesn't make me poorer. Again DUH !!!

DavaoDelSur1
  3/13/2020 12:55 EST

Yes the economy will grow again under President Biden.

mootpoint20
  3/13/2020 16:25 EST

Had you considered Chinese biological warfare got out of hand and backfired. And Biden....he is proving himself to actually be Senile. It's true. He's a nutty-buddy. Good luck.

Robertdav298
  3/13/2020 19:16 EST

REB........you can put me in a seat next to EARNEST. I am also a CHINA HATER, nothing good ever comes out of that COMMUNIST Country.......exception EGG ROLLS

rebtop
  3/13/2020 19:52 EST

Moot. The clown in office now is the most incompetent president in the history of presidents. He should be in jail. Hopefully he will be prosecuted on spend the rest of his life, where he belongs. And his tRumpy followers should be charged with treason. If there is a god this is what will happen.

rebtop
  3/13/2020 19:58 EST

China is not the boogeyman you all make them out to be. Obviously less than PERFECT. They did not develop this virus and then release it. You sound like tRump when you talk like that.

tombalita1
  3/13/2020 20:33 EST

Rob,

These Chinese really look at the long term picture. All those Chinese women coming to the U.S. to give birth? They have package plans for that in California. They have their baby, a U.S. citizen because of our "anchor baby" policy. They go back to China, train how to be spies and whatever covert activity they may become proficient in and when the time is right, come to the U.S.!! No problem, they have a U.S. passport.
Industrial espionage or whatever, they're here. They've been doing it under our noses for some time now. Sort of like those that went to aviation training, but didn't need to know how to land, just take off. We've been around 244 years, they've been around for thousands. Just an observation.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/13/2020 21:55 EST

Maryland Gov. implemented in emergency plan with a twist. It reveals what they anticipate will happen with the buyers and it ain't pretty. This part was left out of his address to the state but is in the orders signed by the governor. Immediately anyone in school studying be a mortician can stop school and immediately become an apprentice mortician. This means the student does not need the normal credits to go to work. This is all waived by the state.... That's scary right there

Earnestndeavor
  3/13/2020 21:58 EST

Tom, don’t know why you addressed your comments to me however I am in complete agreement.

Earnestndeavor
  3/13/2020 22:16 EST

Reb, my post regarding China was fact, yours was opinion.

Keep in mind that while you are defending murderous communist China, they are killing Americans.

coach53
  3/14/2020 02:27 EST

Don't miss to make difference between
/Chineese GOVERNMENT including government lead businesses abroad
/and PRIVATE chineese people.

Them, who have got out of government control, often generations ago, have for instance built the west half of the first TransAMERICAN railway :)
(When that railway was made a part in east was very problematic, most thought unsolvable, but then one of the construction bosses said:
-Give me a bunch of Swedes, brannvin and snus* and I can build a railway to hell.
:)
Which he did. Swedes did built the hardest parts in east half of the Transamerican railway.

* (brannvin and snus= Swedish type of strong alcohol and Swedish type of snuff but more as thewing tobacco but not thewing.)

In difference from average Filipinos, average chineese are very determend and skilled businessmen and by that they have high success rate. Most are just small family businesses, but e g the richest (?) of the SELF made businessmen from poor in the Philippines is half chineese. (=He first did beat the powerful meat "monopoly". After that he has made successful businesses as Cebu Passific (flights) and Globe (mobile and internet supplier).

Big part of Boat refugees from VietNam after the VietNam war had ended were chineese too, wanting to get out to get chance to do business as they were used to.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 06:13 EST

Tom. You obviously missed my prior post about trickledown. Please go back and look it up. Stay informed with real news not fake tRump and repug news. .. I can post it again if you cannot find it. Perfect synopsis of what really happened after tax cut. A beautiful piece to read.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 06:23 EST

Tom. I am with you on subversive activity in my country. God bless America. We have to be aware of it and stamp it out. It is patriots like you that MAGA. You must be a throw back to the McCarthy era or Salem witch-hunt time. Which one is it pilgrim?

rebtop
  3/14/2020 06:29 EST

Island. And wait, there is more. If you buy right now you will throw in a theory that the democrats in collusion with China helped develop the virus. And wait again, you can make two installments and you will prove Mexico paid for the wall.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 06:37 EST

Earnest. OMG. The Chinese are killing Americans. I missed tRumps address to the nation where he said that. Or is that just your news? I also heard the Chinese developed Chicken Little and sent him up in a rocket to orbit over our country. The scoundrels. We now know where the hysteria in America is coming from. We have to kill them all before they kill us. Preemptive measures are needed now.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 06:42 EST

Coach. Great observation.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 07:39 EST

tRump hand sanitizers are being developed by the tRump organization in China and the Philippines. They will be packaged in plastic containers under the tRump brand name. Cain will be the front man so all republicans, especially evangelicals, buy it. This is insidious. Taking advantage of a catastrophe in our country to enrich himself. He is also reopening tRump University to teach medicine. With his perfect knowledge of contagion he claims he is in a beautiful position to save AMERICA from democrats and communists. MAGA. I heard this on Fox News. And right out of the mouth of Herman Cain from someone who heard it from their cousin.

tombalita1
  3/14/2020 09:31 EST

Reb,

You wouldn't know subversive activity if it smacked you in the face.
And if it did, you'd find a way to blame Trump!

LovePhilly
  3/14/2020 09:40 EST

Tom your message about economics is "right on the money"! These people believe there is only one pie and we are supposed to share it equally. No matter what you say they can't be convinced that more pies are being baked every day!

It bothers them that others have more than they do. I'm like you, I want the rich to get richer. HeII, our poor today don't really understand what it is to be poor.

I grew up in a under-middle class home. I'm still middle class but back then I could never have dreamed about the lifestyle I live today. I have more than I deserve and it's awesome! So yes, let Bill Gates have all the money he wants. He's the reason I can send you this message right now!

tombalita1
  3/14/2020 09:47 EST

Dark,

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".
Rahm Emanuel

Rahm Emanuel - Obama's Chief of Staff and later the Mayor of Chicago until 2019.

This is a Democrat mantra. Pelosi tried to get taxpayer funding for abortion into this Coronavirus bill.
They consider what's bad for America good for Democrats. It's all about getting back power and staying in power. I have friends that are Democrats, and I love them. I JUST DON'T WANT THEM IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING.

I consider myself in this order:
Christian
Father and husband
American
Conservative

Guys like Emmanuel and those that "never let a crisis go to waste"
are in this order:
Leftist
and whatever comes after that!!

With Dems, it's always party first!

mootpoint20
  3/14/2020 19:59 EST

Rebtop: There is a God, and I prayed he put Trump in the Whitehouse. (I'd suggest you doing some push-ups at the gym or swimming. It calms down anybody!)

tombalita1
  3/14/2020 20:09 EST

Moot,

I prayed as well and despite all the secular negatives and Satan's ever relenting presence, prayers were answered. God's perfect timing. I thank Him every day that Hillary is not the president. YBIC, Tom

rebtop
  3/14/2020 21:49 EST

Moot. You are right. Him being president proves there is no god.
Religion is the opium of feeble people. The more feeble you are the more you need religion.

rebtop
  3/14/2020 21:53 EST

Tom. I did not want HRC either. Horrible choice. And the democrats paid the price. Why do both parties offer incomprehensible choices? I am looking for a third party.

Earnestndeavor
  3/14/2020 22:19 EST

With all the current panic surrounding Covid19, folks are not being able to vote, campaign events being cancelled, candidates unable to get their message out, who will join me in suggesting President Trump CANCEL the upcoming election for at least one year. C’mon Reb, DDS, I need your support on this one.

rebtop
  3/15/2020 05:43 EST

Earnest. Nay. I want the election. tRump can do so much more damage in one year.

LovePhilly
  3/15/2020 11:23 EST

Faith
Family
Friends
Flag
Firearms

Five things you don't mess with in the Mountains....

LovePhilly
  3/15/2020 11:23 EST

Faith
Family
Friends
Flag
Firearms

Five things you don't mess with in the Mountains....

rebtop
  3/15/2020 13:20 EST

Love. Not sure your list is anything to brag about. Especially in the order listed. I would hate to think you would destroy a family members because of faith issues. Do you have any gay or closest gay family members? I am sure you don’t condone this type of personal behavior.

mootpoint20
  3/15/2020 17:09 EST

Rebtop: You are truly amusing. "Opium of the people", a banality by Karl Marx....though dialectical materialism has its foundation in macro-economics, most educators ascribe to Arnold Toynebee…."Industry and hard work, faith and family and duty produce wealth causing an evolution from tribalism to nationalism. Each nation must evolve from slavery initially. Wealth produces luxury and free time, and free time creates decadence and national downfalls. Slavery and homosexuality evolved in Ancient Greece as in all civilizations, even America. The big joke is that Karl Marx declares there is no God. What does theology have to do with Marx or dialectical materialism. Jibber-Jabber. God does exist and his son is Jesus Christ.

LovePhilly
  3/15/2020 17:15 EST

Wow Moot, i have nothing to add to that. That is spot on. I swear this guy is just goofy..

LovePhilly
  3/15/2020 17:19 EST

Reb, I invite you to the mountains. I would love to kick your ass. After that Jesus and I will watch you burn in hell. You are a sick evil bastard that is about to die and burn forever.. I'm so sorry for you.

LovePhilly
  3/15/2020 17:27 EST

One last thing Reb, where i come from, men don't suck other men's dicks. We don't think that is acceptable and we aren't politically correct. We call it the way we see it you dick sucking weirdo.

F*ck you faggot.

rebtop
  3/15/2020 17:48 EST

Moot Yep Toynbee, good reference for you. Like Aquinas and the other religious thinkers and philosophers who used circuitous reasoning to proof the existence of god. Your boy was revealed in the 60’s as a lightweight. He even referenced Marx as a great thinker, not that he admired him. I have not heard his name in many, many years.

rebtop
  3/15/2020 17:52 EST

Love. Why do you take things personally? Stark differences of opinion are normal. Hyperbole is a great tool to get your point across. Unless........

rebtop
  3/15/2020 17:56 EST

Love. You did not have to add.. Where I come from, we all know where you come from. WV is the last state to actually be free of the virus. Congratulations. The world is a big place. Many differences of opinion. No need to threaten. Threats suggest you have no defense for your positions.

Robertdav298
  3/15/2020 18:54 EST

Love......he got you man.....you came unhinged......we call this a sucker punch. Surely as an Officer and a Gentlemen you know better than to engage in this rhetoric.
As I asked you guys before please do not support this, read and delete. Like I said......fire needs oxygen to burn, without oxygen it will simply die.

tombalita1
  3/15/2020 18:54 EST

Socialism relies on the wealthy. They need someone to tax to give freebies to the masses to keep them in check. Not that they'll be happy, just equally miserable. Remember: we must all be equal.

Their reason that it's never worked throughout history whenever it's tried: The right people weren't in charge. This time will be different.

You think????

TheIslandGeneration
  3/15/2020 19:12 EST

The only reason West Virginia hasn't posted any active infections from the coronavirus has always been they don't have any test kits. Low population density and being able to date your first cousin keeps the virus from spreading. West Virginia does hold the record for the highest age-adjusted rate of drug overdose deaths involving opioids.

United States was only at 800 cases a few days ago and is now 3,200. Politically Trump may have played the cards wrong. Italy has over 300 people die in the last 24 hours... It just keeps going up... It's like 7.8% of confirmed cases. I know some of you said the regular flu is worse., no i dont think so

I don't believe any state has zero cases just zero confirmed cases there is a difference.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/15/2020 19:39 EST

LovePhill you went all apesh.t on Reb... Wait a minute that I just spelled your name wrong... Wow, that means something completely different. Funny how little Y chromosome can make such a difference.

Correct where do gays come from, homosexuals, whatever they're called today. I'm pretty sure it still takes two heterosexuals to make one homosexual .. That's never changed... I'm sure it will give surgeons time.

LovePhilly there's just no place you can't go where there aren't homosexuals you're just denying the existence. Like priests don't have sex with boys? It was just was in the closet instead of a parade. It's not about being politically correct just about accepting that this does happen.

Nothing worse than hooking up with a nice pretty, tall, Filipina girl, after too many beers and finding out her junk is bigger than yours.

As Fred Flintstone always says have a gay old time.
by the way, lovePhilly take your blood pressure medicine before you reading this.

tombalita1
  3/15/2020 20:02 EST

Island,

Do you think if we didn't stop the flights from China when we did, we'd be suffering the same percentages of the sick and dead in Italy? Thanks.

Tom

rebtop
  3/15/2020 21:32 EST

Tom. Communism is unsustainable. Never work. Against human nature. A form of socialism is viable but the mix with capitalism has to be correct. Just like pure capitalism is not sustainable. It is a form of oligarchy. Pure capitalism is also like the monarchy form of governing and is unsustainable...... No democrat I know wants communism. Repug Myth. Another tRump lie. Like all Americans we want a level playing field. Like you should.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/15/2020 21:54 EST

Tom

I think we should have stopped flights earlier from China. I was a little surprised Trump got off all of Europe trying to be political then I think including the rest. But I'm afraid we headed down a slippery slope in the US in the domestic flights may also be curtailed. Of course, all this will be devastating for the airline industry but were talking about lives here.

I think we watched China go through this at an unbelievably brutal epidemic and didn't take note this is probably going to come here at some point. Every reaction has been one or two weeks behind what it should be again political not necessarily thinking like a virologist.

I believe that cutting off airlines when we did will not affect the overall outcome. We always have to remember that somewhere in China one guy or gal got this virus and it spread it around the world. This is typical of all viruses. So essentially this means that if just one person brought it into the United States the possibility that they could spread it because no testing was in place seems like the result would be the same.

I know there right now in the United States the CDC has just called for the ending of even 50 people in a gathering... Most states just at that gathering level at 250.. Everything is changing daily. And although Trump said everyone will be screened I think that was misspoken. He means everyone will have their temperature taken at the airport and asked questions this is already created huge lines of people in hallways mashed together worse than the plane. Even Trump himself in his speech said I'm tested and it's going to take 2 to 3 days at a lab. So no one gonna wait at the airport after they just disembark meaning there is no actual virus real tests being taken are still being released and told the self-quarantine.

Seriously do you know any Americans would self-quarantine? We are a cocky bunch any police officer blocking my cul-de-sac is going to be in for a rude awakening of a gun-toting mob that are out to get that brewski. Unlike China where you make it shot if you come out of the condo I just don't see us containing this well.

I think we're going to become the new China in the sense of infection. China will put its people back to work even after sick the figure the young don't get quite as sick as the old. The death rate is only .02 percent for young people under 40. I know let the older people die and be okay with that. In the United States, Social Security Administration says that 10,000 people turn 65 every day. Italy is the second-largest amount of elderly people in the world next to China I'm not sure where the US falls into that grouping. But it's a lot.

Before Pres. Trump even said anything about antivirals I put it on this form. The CDC just announced that they plan to start using one antiviral and get it out rapidly. In any pandemic, it's about timing.. Keep in mind Trump asked for like 2.5 billion and got over 8 billion funding for the initial round. In this next round which is huge giving Americans two weeks of pay, relief for businesses.etc... The house stayed over the weekend and got a pass in the Senate went home... Seriously.... Trump said he would sign it.

Keep an eye on Spain, not just Italy. Spain is saying that they're having more young people affected than they expected. This could be because the virus is mutated again keep in mind there are two versions L and S. We could break out into 3rd mutation. This can always make creating a vaccine quite tricky.

Just got some information from this to say a reliable source in DC that says they're considering shutting down the US for two weeks on leave grocery stores in hospitals open... This could turn bizarre in the USA quite shortly

coach53
  3/16/2020 00:23 EST

"Socialism relies on the wealthy. They need someone to tax to give freebies to the masses to keep them in check."
Well. In most countries the wealthy aren't enough many, so the "middle class" earners need to be taxed high too.

Sweden didn't have fully but part Socialism back when the Socialdemocrats had the power long time. During that period Sweden went from "poor" to rich country, but that would have been with "any" politics because Sweden got a huge advantage after WW II by being undamaged and having material as iron the world needed to rebuild.

Later the Socialdemocrats screwed up by they made the economy slow down by taxing to hard so people partly lost motivation to work. E g my father stoped EXTRA work after he had counted how litle he kept after tax at the extra income. "Margin tax" = how high the tax is at the last earned money. That could be even over 75%...
AND Swedes have "allways" been good inventors.
(E g it was a Swede who made north winn in the American civil war by he made the ironclad, which turned the war at sea. Before that south could get good financing to the war, but by the turn that changed. (He constructed infrastucture things in first Sweden and then USA too.)
Swedish companies built on Swedish inventions 100 years ago are now big international (separator, wrench, bearings, metal cutters...)
BUT Swedes are still good inventors but has TERRIBLE TAX LAWS for inventors and Sweden became terrible at make businesses of the inventions. Since long time back are Swedish inventions bought up by Norwegians and Japaneese. China often don't bother to buy they just copy :)
A Swede invented big computer improvements too as e g the first computer mouse. That was stolen by Americans. (It went to court. I don't know how it ended.)

(That terrible law hit me too when I invented stuff when I had my first own business started in upper teenage. E g I had invented/constructed a burglar alarm both better and to lower price than the common for houses back then. I didn't got tax deduction for the costs for material to the prototype, so I got angry:
-Then they will not get any tax income from it neither, said I and put it as well as my not yet ready other inventions in my storage where they lay still, never used for earning... :)
(Well. I threw away my ideas at draft level when I cleared my house recently preparing to move to Phils, but the alarm is still in storage.)

gypsyquokka
  3/16/2020 05:35 EST

Hi Philly - Wrote = where i come from, men don't suck other men's dicks. We don't think that is acceptable and we aren't politically correct. We call it the way we see it you dick sucking weirdo.
F*ck you faggot. =
WOW, I guess that is acknowledging that you have come out of the closet at last. Good for you, but no need to insult other members because they recognize your message. Where you come from is hill-billy land and they do everything to eachother, YES its true. Maybe you were a little late catching on, but sure you have now caught up with whats going on and keeps you smiling. It is Philippine Forum so no need for you to use such language to describe other members - SMILE

rebtop
  3/16/2020 06:41 EST

When ever I think of WV , Deliverance comes to mind.

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 07:25 EST

Reb,

Ah yes, the words out of the mouth of many Democrats, "a level playing field".
Can you explain what that means. I'm listening.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 07:49 EST

Reb,

I'm originally from WV, although I was an Army brat and never lived there. I have a lot of relatives there and none of them fit the stereotype. For those who have gone there to check out WV, they usually come back with a description more like the lyrics from the John Denver song Take Me Home Country Roads, and those words would be "Almost Heaven".

"Deliverance" was about some Atlanta businessmen taking to the wilds of northern Georgia. Ned Beatty's scream comes to mind.

Stay safe all,

Tom

rebtop
  3/16/2020 11:04 EST

WV is a beautiful place. Stereotypes exit everywhere. I am guessing it is not true and perpetuated by small minded people.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/16/2020 13:58 EST

With the stock market down and his mishandling of Coronavirus has you view of Trump changed?

rebtop
  3/16/2020 14:59 EST

Davao. My opinion of tRump has not changed.

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 15:36 EST

Mishandling of Coronavirus? I don't agree with your premise. Are you sure you're not from CNN or MSNBC?

rebtop
  3/16/2020 17:00 EST

2 weeks ago it was a Democratic hoax. Fake news. Then he has a hunch it will be over in a week. Then it not my his responsibility. Then governor’ s are on their own. Now big uhhh. Uhhhh. What a great leader. Lock him up. Lock him up. Lock him ip

DavaoDelSur1
  3/16/2020 17:39 EST

tombalita1 have you been following issues with Coronavirus test kits? WHO offered then to the US but Trump refused said we make our own. That failed at first and now were weeks behind others countries. Then it's reported he wanted the Germans to sell us one. They refused since they wanted it available to all countries. He press conference on the subject are pathetic; many mistakes and redoes have to be done. All 50 states and there's little coordination. Social distancing starting to get serious now but probably late. Trump was more worried about the stock market while the stock market was more worried about coronavirus. Look where that got us, a 10,000 point collapse. We're supposed to lead the world not vice versa. Trump's leadership as of late has been suspect at best. And no I do not want us to fail just to get him out of office. I am an American first, just not in the way he phrases it.

rebtop
  3/16/2020 18:11 EST

Tom. There is no way to explain to you what a level playing field is. Either you understand it or you don’t.

rebtop
  3/16/2020 18:27 EST

Davao I have to disagree somewhat. TRump has never shown competence leading US. He is a narcissistic loser. Taker and cheater. Great combination that obviously trumpies love. Sad

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 19:25 EST

Reb,

I understand it completely. I think what your definition is would be level outcomes.

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 19:37 EST

DDS1,

I'm sure there is always someone out there that thinks it can be done better. I'm keeping a social distance, washing my hands often and following all the protocols. I went to the doctor, they did a throat and nasal swab and did a chest X-ray. All were negative. If I needed a Coronavirus test, I would ask and hope one was available.

This reminds me of the Gulf War back in 1990-1991. We needed tens of thousand s of gas masks, but when we looked for them in GSA warehouses, they were Vietnam and Korean War era masks that dry rotted and falling apart. Everybody wants everything right now, causing a panic.
We'll figure this out. Take a deep breath.

rebtop
  3/16/2020 21:39 EST

Tom. No. Not level outcomes. Ability will determine out comes. Level playing field / opportunity. Here is the deal. I am sure you heard this. Follow the golden rule. Who has the gold makes the rules. Gold determines elections. The elected make the rules. And enforce the laws. Or not. White collar laws are a joke. Flynn gets prosecuted and sentenced. tRump will pardon him. And the prosecutors will pay a price. Sad

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 22:08 EST

Reb,

Flynn and Stone get prosecuted for process crimes while Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the others, no consequences. They’ve got “the gold”.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/16/2020 22:19 EST

tombalita1 People in the USA can't get tests unless they were in contact with known coronavirus carriers. One guy from New York had all the symptoms and tested negative for all other tests , he was still denied a coronavirus test. He then made an appointment in Connecticut and exposed those hospital workers and others before them before the test came back positive. He laid in the hallway for 6 hours exposing the hospital! Donald J Trump refused coronavirus tests from WHO. We could of been like South Korea and tested hundred of thousands and quarantine those exposed. Get others to social distance. We are now weeks behind and most likely overexposed by those who don't show symptoms. Don't allow a low bar for Trump because you like his policies. He has failed miserably on coronavirus. You Republicans were merciless on Obama. Called him a Muslim and foreigner, both of witch were both untrue but 2/3 of you believed it to be. Now you want to give Trump a hard pass. Be an American citizen first and not a Trump voter who acts like a true believer. I don't hate Trump I just never thought he was qualified for the presidency. I voted for Hillary, not because I liked her but because I thought she was qualified. She was praised by some Republicans and world leaders while Secretary of State. But then vilified when she ran for president by the Republican Party. Just because she is disliked doesn't make her unqualified. Personally today I wish she would disappear from the world stage and stay off TV. Glad your not sick, keep social distance and hunker down and hopefully you will be ok.

tombalita1
  3/16/2020 22:35 EST

"Merciless on Obama"? Couldn't really disagree on policy or you would be labeled as a racist for daring to disagree with the first black president. The H1N1
virus in 2009 killed 10,000 in the U.S. Did you hear about it? Not on ABC.

We disagree on lot of things, but agree that Hillary should just go away. Stay safe.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/17/2020 00:55 EST

tombalita1 "As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result (0.4% of the estimated total number of people who contracted it), and 12,000 died (0.02%)." Wikimedia
.02 % not 2% witch is 100 times larger.
So if Coronavirus is 100 times more deadly. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the same numbers or about 1,200,000 or about 1 person in 100. If 59 million become infected.

darkfader24
  3/17/2020 01:16 EST

rebtop - The full quote from Karl Marx translates as: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". Sadly, Mr. Marx gave the World a new Religion - a new Icon to Worship - Mankind Himself, in all of his treacherous and cruel glory. People like Lenin seized upon the vision and brought more suffering, death, hardship, hunger and poverty upon the Hundreds of Millions of Russia than they suffered under the Czar - as bad as that was. Lenin had no God, no Judgement to answer to - in his mind. If he or someone in power decided someone was to be removed, well, just do it! No apologies or excuses necessary. We answer to no-one but ourselves. Hence, the cattle cars of Stalin, who, just like Hitler, sent millions off to Siberia and the bitter cold of his Gulags. Loved ones to never see their loved ones again. To die in the frigid tundra alone - but what does it matter? There is No God to answer to. I agree, Religion is no good. Only a Personal Relationship with an endlessly forgiving and loving God is of any value.

tombalita1
  3/17/2020 05:52 EST

DDS1,
Thank you for that praying for all of us and our families. Ingat.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/17/2020 06:01 EST

Amen Dark,
Allow me to use your post in my small group.
YBIC,, Tom

rebtop
  3/17/2020 06:14 EST

Dark we are really not to distant in our thinking. I am an agnostic. Religion sucks! We would not be suffering to the degree we do if it were not for religion. Horrible concept designed by man to control man. The bigger the masses who believe the bigger the destruction. Pick any large religion for example.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/17/2020 22:07 EST

Trump needs to stop the tit for tat.

The exchange between China and the United States arguing where the COVID-19 is a waste of time and energy when the real battle is my new and effective treatment and a vaccine that can keep people from getting it. Let's keep in mind right here China has had plenty of time more than anyone to develop a vaccine and they haven't... They could have even sold it around the world that would've made him a lot of money.

So just because China is trying to figure out a narrative cover there but by saying somehow we infected them does not mean Trump like a kid on the school ground needs to jump up and call it the Chinese virus . Trump shouts out the Chinese virus in tweets and on TV. Just in mature and negotiation wise suicide.

Seriously I was waiting for Trump to come to China and say look about those trade deals let's wrap up a good deal that works for America in a little bit for China and cut out the sanctions. China was already hurting. The factories were down as a businessman what a time to pounce!

.Then he gets into ... You started the virus ..... No, you started it. really

China has just thrown out our journalists from various publications. Exactly what are we gaining for this tit for tat nothing.

Trump is forgetting the tide is turning ... The Chinese are putting people back at work and yes they have the virus I'm completely sure but since young people there haven't had it as bad they can risk losing a few young people while the factories literally infect each other with herd immunity .... Retired people don't work so to the Chinese this probably sounds logical

Ttump on the other hand has missed the golden opportunity to close the deal. Now the US has the virus and China has us as we suffer the way they did.

Nature released the virus as it always does. Southern China has always been a hotbed for emerging viruses ... It's where virologist hang around and have coffee. It's how we figure out what's in the flu shot next year.

Trump fell right into China's propaganda machine. he feels personally insulted so we find the need to do name-calling. Not sure the elderly person dying i Seattle cares where the virus came from they just want it cured

Earnestndeavor
  3/17/2020 22:27 EST

Third Island,

Your call for an end to “tit for tat” seems somewhat insincere as you follow immediately by attacking President Trump. I find it sad that in this time of national crisis the haters will go to any end to spew their hatred.

Respectfully, Earnie

surfingcebu
  3/17/2020 22:39 EST

Earnest- the Liberals have the media blender on full speed ... whipping up things into a frenzy!!!Hate and intolerance is the rules of engagement with them!!!

What about that Black guy (Lemon?) who said “ whites are the biggest terror threat to Americans “. Did he get to keep his job? WOW! What hate !!!

surfingcebu
  3/17/2020 22:39 EST

Earnest- the Liberals have the media blender on full speed ... whipping up things into a frenzy!!!Hate and intolerance is the rules of engagement with them!!!

What about that Black guy (Lemon?) who said “ whites are the biggest terror threat to Americans “. Did he get to keep his job? WOW! What hate !!!

TheIslandGeneration
  3/18/2020 00:04 EST

Earnestndeavor--- you're right in a time of national crisis is completely and ridiculous that the president without any thought tweets out stupid remarks to the people of China calling it the Chinese virus. So the China is trying to blame us, we can take it becase its not true. It's not a national crisis it's an international crisis by the way.

On January let me repeat that ... JANUARY ..almost 2 months ago on 1/27/2020 I posted the following about the coronavirus forum on this site:

You're also dealing with a virus that may have already mutated. It may have found more clever ways to spread itself that's why we're seeing the sharp increase. Airports can't catch you sick and for the most part, they took the person with the fever but let the rest of the family and the aircraft full of people go. It's pretty logical to assume these people are carriers of an airborne virus. ...this virus will crush local travel and with towns locked down the size of Florida...

So for the last statistics of death were mainly men over 60 with other health problems.... Diabetes, high blood pressure, and other illnesses.... The news is always behind so this could be in your backyard before you know it.--------------------

I was right on every point...

All the time the president has said: ...the danger to Americans “remains very low” and predicted that the number of cases diagnosed in the country, currently 15, could fall to zero in a “few days"

“We have had tremendous success, tremendous success, beyond what people would have thought. At the same time, you do have some outbreaks in some countries – Italy and various countries – are having some difficulties,” he said, in remarks that appeared to be contradicted by officials from his own administration at the same media briefing.

I've heard from the president multiple times on different days that test kits going to be out there for anyone who wanted them. Chances of getting the virus remained very low... We moved quicker than any other country in cutting off flights from China.
---
I've heard all this. You have also.

But every time Trump said it was low the actual numbers around the world were increasing dramatically. Anyone can look at John Hopkins University's database website and see it happening in real-time.

Fact is Taiwan cut off travel to China first. They are only 81 miles from China but they know the Chinese lie. As of today they have 59 cases 1 death. That's actually pretty amazing

Fact the virus did mutate into L and S.. got that one

Fact is the virus originated in China it's not a Chinese virus.

I don't hate Trump but I don't like it when he pulls the wool over the eyes of Americans and that includes you and everyone on this form. But you have to ask yourself is how did I know all these things two months ago?

And don't say it's because I'm from China.... I know what you're thinking.

Being the third Island, as you try to insult me, I just think of the third Island of the Philippines that makes the third of 7,500 ...not bad

Earnestndeavor let me help you look into the future... The virus if it takes hold in places like the Philippines with tropical environment means it will continue in US through the summer and fire backup in the winter. If you have type A blood versus O the virus may be more aggressive.. Ibuprofen also makes it angry. Earnestndeavor be careful this virus is dangerous I've always known that and Trump played it down when he has better information than I do.

Earnestndeavor
  3/18/2020 00:44 EST

Third Island, you are a remarkable individual. You not only know what President Trump should do you also know what China intends to do and now you know what I’m thinking. Interesting you don’t know that;

China started the virus.
China hid the virus.
China lied about the virus.
China failed to contain the virus.

These facts are the reason your hypothetical person in Seattle is sick. And yes, it is critically important to know the origin of the virus. I would encourage you to contain your vitriol and look at the facts.
Come November if you are American you will have the opportunity to vote your displeasure with our President. If you are not American your opinions of our President don’t mean squat to me.

Respectfully, Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/18/2020 01:13 EST

Surf, you are so right ( no pun intended ).

The liberal anti-American haters encouraged by the anti.-American liberal media will always take advantage of a crisis to advance their socialist agenda.

I make no apologies for being a proud flag waiving American. I will ALWAYS defend her and when she falters I will express my opinion the American way, at the ballot box.

Respectfully, Earnie

TheIslandGeneration
  3/18/2020 01:48 EST

Earnestndeavor

While this can obvious what President Trump should do ...protect the American people. But also with dealing with China where is the Art of the Deal. The president has incredible leverage at this moment to stop the trade war and cut an unprecedented deal with China that would probably cement his ability to win the election. China is a wounded Dragon right now if you call it names and taunted you it will bite you.

China did not start the virus in the way you're saying it. Nor did the Chinese people. Now having said that could this have come out of the lab that was monkeying around with a SARS virus and someone from the lab walked out and accidentally contaminated themselves with the non-weapon iced virus.... Yes but is also quite likely this just came from a bat that infected a transitional animal that then jumps to human. Keep in mind while China is trying to be the spin doctor on blaming the United States at the same time several Chinese virologists are putting out information that the virus showed up back in November. Pinning down patient zero is always difficult but it could have been just a farmer in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What's interesting is you say I don't know what's going to happen but then I already predicted what was going to happen two months ago. I wasn't wrong you just don't get credit for that

China did hide the virus, Chinese doctors did not hide the fact and they paid for that with their lives. China was overwhelmed and that allowed information leak which is beneficial to us all. And I would say at this point our government should have been on high red alert. Now China doing its best to erase history and change the facts. But so is Trump. You never acknowledged any of the facts that I pointed out that he's trying to put the spin on.

China did not contain the virus agree with what you say there but that should have been a clue. They couldn't keep it under control. This virus spreads fast and furious and in America, we had time to evaluate that figure out where was going. Certainly coming our way. But no test kits, the CDC taking days to get results back on the few that were out there by then people were spreading all over the place. We still have few test kits from the federal government the states just gave up and did their own even the private insurance companies sent out letters and said will set up our own lab and test. Before Trump took credit for that that was already happening in desperation.

You said "hypothetical person in Seattle is sick" that took me a little by surprise you realize that in Washington state has 1,012 cases confirmed, 52 people have died and only 1 one person has recovered the virus ripped through a nursing home.. 25 people with a nursing home died. The state has now for other nursing homes infected. This is not hypothetical people are dying at an alarming rate.

You said it's important to know the viruses origin that would be nice but I assume will have to rely on China coming up with that. And to be honest with you at this point is unimportant to them important to understand how to treat it and how to make a vaccine. Whether the Chinese made in a lab or came from a bat it won't change the outcome.

He said as an American I would have the opportunity to voice my opinion come November... To be honest I'm worried about living in till November... And everyone should be that's over 60. In the US we've already had 100 deaths from the virus do not believe that don't believe that it will probably double and just a short time?

Earnestndeavor
  3/18/2020 02:18 EST

TheIslandGeneration,
Please accept my sincere apologies for mangling your name.

I in no way intended to insult or disrespect you. I was simply trying to go fast.

In the future I will be sure and address you as you desire.

Respectfully, Earnie

TheIslandGeneration
  3/18/2020 02:38 EST

Earnestndeavor

Earnie

I thought you were referring to an earlier post who said I'm third in something... I assumed you were using that. Obviously not.... Don't worry I mistype everything because I use a voice to text. I am dyslexic but as I get older it gets worse it seems.

You can call me Mark if you want
the Island generation is more about the baby boomer generation changing moving into the Philippines to be Island generation.

Seriously stay well this virus is not kind

darkfader24
  3/18/2020 05:33 EST

Island - I care where it comes from!! That way we can see where it tends to come from, over and over, which it does (China - there I said it). I want to know where it comes from so that anything coming from there gets extra extra extra scrutiny! I don't give a a $h!t about Political Correctness and whether or not someone is "Offended". They can shove their offense up their you-know-what OR maybe we can shove it there for them! Look how these A-Holes are not only destroying THE ENTIRE WORLD'S HEALTH - But also all of our economies! And we should step back meekly, with our hats in our hands looking humbly at the ground while offering platitudes and apologies??? F- That!! We need to GRIND IT INTO THEIR F-ING FACES THAT THEY - YES THEY - ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WORLD WIDE DEBACLE!! ALL of the nations of the Earth should bring a coalition to China's Doorstep and demand an apology and reparations!! Maybe NEXT TIME they won't act so irresponsibly and put us ALL at risk! You think that they'll fight back? Against the Arsenal of the Entire World??? They want to survive as much as you and I. But Naawww - it would never happen. There is no courage - and not enough rage to Cage Fight those ChiComms and beat their a$$e$ into the ground and have them screaming for mercy!! Remember - they are NOT Gods! They are humans - weak humans - also!! They are as afraid of us as we are of them.

tombalita1
  3/18/2020 11:34 EST

Earnie, Surf,

I would rather have Trump calming and reassuring people and urging them to be vigilant rather than scaring and panicking them. I'm sure I'll be criticized here for giving Trump a pass because I believe in his policies, or words to that effect. I remember when he was accused by Biden of being a xenophobe when he cut off air travel from China. This all goes with the territory. Stay safe out there.

tombalita1
  3/18/2020 11:43 EST

Mark,

What has the CDC been doing for the last 20 years that is so ill equipped to deal with COVID-19. Asking this as an observer with no medical background besides being a patient from time to time. Thanks for your knowledge of the subject.

Tom

rebtop
  3/18/2020 13:39 EST

Tom. CDC was building up a professional staff so tRump could tear it down. He did a great job which is why we are where we are today.

Robertdav298
  3/18/2020 19:10 EST

TOM........have you read about the NAVY's newest carrier......FORD CLASS?

I saw a video yesterday, this carrier is amazing......able to travel at speeds over 35mph......awesome.

Suggestion get on you tube and type in ford carrier.......you will be impressed for sure.

As for your post, DT would have critized no matter how he handled the virus, there are to many skeptics on this forum, I just ignore them. They are not worth my response. Another thing that bothers me is there are people that comment in this forum who are not living here in the RP. Some lived here years ago or visited for awhile yet they are experts on the RP.

tombalita1
  3/18/2020 20:28 EST

Rob,

The USS Gerald R. Ford CVN-78 is an awesome warship! I've been back and forth once or twice a year in the PI since 04 and many visits while in the Navy. You're right, many claim to be Philippine experts without knowing the lay of the land. I only comment on things I've done or witnessed. Glad you're there to call a spade a spade (so to speak). Take care shipmate!

Tom

rebtop
  3/18/2020 22:02 EST

Robert... carriers, aircraft, tanks, missiles, munitions, OH MY. ...
Trillion dollars. As the saying goes, Pretty soon we will be talking about real money.. Do you collect government benefits? Have health care? Our national debt is about to exceed $4,000,000,000,000 and still creating a deeper deficit. Who will pay for this? What happened to fiscally responsible repugs? OH wait. There is a perfectly beautiful repug in office. Pause until the elections this year when a democrat gets into office. Then we can whine and scream again.

Robertdav298
  3/18/2020 23:21 EST

TOM.......I am dating myself but as an AVIATOR I had the pleasure to land on the USS Enterprise II. At that time I was to young to realize the awesome power of the USN.

rebtop
  3/19/2020 05:39 EST

Robert. Landing on a carrier had to be an awesome thrill. I find flying to be a thrill that never gets old. I have an IFR rating and learned with NDB and VOR. Back then the technology of today was seen as science fiction.

tlallen59
  3/19/2020 05:47 EST

Robertdav298 I was on the USS Forrestal CV59 for 3 years and can tell you nothing makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck like standing on the flight deck watching a 80000lb F14 Tomcat blast off the front of the ship. What an experience! On a side note ever notice when we reminisce on this board or tell feel good stories some ass clown named dimtop has to chime in with the same old rhetoric from the villages in Florida. What a waste of monkey sperm.

tombalita1
  3/19/2020 06:44 EST

Rob,

CVN-65, out of Alameda I'm sure. You, my friend, are a brown shoe airdale! Glad to be checking in with shipmates on this forum.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/19/2020 06:50 EST

Tlallen,

Another carrier guy, this time from beautiful Mayport. What color was your jersey? I worked for a Captain in DC who was an XO on the Forrest Fire in the late 80's. His favorite expression was "let's rip their lips off". Welcome aboard!

Tom

tlallen59
  3/19/2020 08:05 EST

tombalita1 I was ships company but had a very good friend that was a red shirt and I would go up there once in a while with him. I also had a signalman friend that took me up to the crows nest at night. Now that was something during flight ops. I have been working on airplanes my whole career and retired from Boeing in 2014 and moved to the Philippines with my Filipina wife. I joined this site before we moved to get pointers about living there but it has evolved into something that is not very useful anymore. Yet I still hang around just in case I can offer some useful information I have learned over the years.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/19/2020 10:14 EST

China reports zero infection rate 3/19

Total BS in no way can COVID-19 verse it's affecting 80,000 of Chinese people suddenly just go away unless they had the magic pill or a vaccine. But then again if they did they would sell to the rest of us right?

China's POLITICAL propaganda machine in full swing. The idea here is to look strong for the Chinese people but also you won't feel so scared of buying Chinese goods if they don't have the virus. In fact, the Chinese are reporting various levels on the ground there just getting squashed. There are plenty of underground sources that fear as people get free to move around in Wuhan they will have a second wave of cases. The Chinese will do everything they can to suppress that. You have to realize also that the Chinese will look politically powerful and that they have defeated the virus while America gets sicker by the day.

coach53
  3/19/2020 11:11 EST

TheIsland
"China reports zero infection rate 3/19
Total BS in no way can COVID-19 verse it's affecting 80,000 of Chinese people suddenly just go away"
Sure you are corect it can't be zero yet,
although, as I wrote in the topic about Corona, it seem Sweden have got a (steep?) TREND DOWN at new cases allready, and China have had it much longer than Sweden. Although China is big and parts of it haven't had it long time neither.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/19/2020 16:59 EST

Coach53

I agree with you about Sweden.... Interesting also Taiwan has fared extremely well because they were highly aggressive from the beginning. They remember SARS hitting them and they didn't forget.

Obviously in China you can't cover 80,000 infected to know new cases. This would be a curve that went down near zero over time assuming there applying a vaccine or something else which I've not heard of.

So essentially there's no new immunity that somehow acquired this is still a new virus, still emerging so the rest of the people in China should be highly susceptible.

I believe will see another wave in China that could be worse than the first because you have all these people that would still be carrying it. Underground news says none of this is true people are still getting infected. In the US it's mayhem... Seriously

mootpoint20
  3/19/2020 18:05 EST

Some poor Trump hater stated "China did not create the virus" STOP THE MUSIC. Half a dozen Iranian govt. officials have the coronavirus...either from a disco in Teran or being led around laboratories in China. You're pick if you still have some common sense. Biological warfare is condemned and that's what they were experimenting with. Ka-boom! It's a Chinese virus created by China.

rebtop
  3/19/2020 18:30 EST

China is obviously spinning their reports. They have diminished their believability to the point it is funny. Any government that so blatantly lies becomes unbelievable, like our government.

tombalita1
  3/19/2020 19:00 EST

Moot - I heard a reporter at the Presidential Task Force meeting today ask if by calling it the Chinese virus, he was being a racist. Duhh! It originated in Wuhan, China. This reminds me of not being able to call the ones who attacked us Islamic terrorists. I ordered Chinese takeout today, by the way. Stay safe everyone.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/19/2020 19:02 EST

Reb,

You never disappoint. And so, so predictable.

surfingcebu
  3/19/2020 19:02 EST

moot- your bang on as usual . the Wuhan Virus originated in Wuhan . Simple. Whether is was a bio-warfare experiment or not it found its origins there .Yes - fact two- China has a huge Biological warfare Lab that goes on for blocks and blocks there , security is So tight ! . Fact- Three , yes ! Iranians frequent it a lot .

as they say you can have your own opinions but you cant have your own facts !

The Chinese Gov't is evil and to be feared . Saying America brought this to Wuhan and America created it ( Chinese media machine and perpetuated by USA media ) is boarline mental illness !

Surf !

TheIslandGeneration
  3/19/2020 19:19 EST

MootPoint20

China did not CREATE the virus. It was created by mother nature. So if you're mad, go chop a tree down.

Scripts research Institute, which by the way is in the United States said clearly "SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes" SARS-CoV-1 also originated from China. But the important aspect here is originated not made. There's no music just your hatred for a country that you probably by more than half your products from that are in your house and even if you say no I own a Samsung or whatever, guaranteed the parts inside are from China. Because you can't buy anything that's pure American or purely from the Philippines its a world economy and you're feeding it.

China wouldn't release any virus within their own country because of the economic disaster it is creating right now. You also wouldn't create a virus that spread across the world to your major purchasers and it's insane.

You're not even aware or smart enough to know that viruses are part of our DNA they have been around that long. I've explained the scientific data before. Even though the Chinese government are trying to change the narrative and deflected it from originating in their country. There are plenty of other Chinese scientists that are still hunting for patient zero. Keep in mind it takes a long time to do that detective work. In the United States, it took us a long time to find patient zero that brought AIDS into the United States

I know you won't understand but many animals have coronaviruses. Some get sick from it some don't. But there's always those that pass it the humans. Zoonotic coronaviruses have been identified as the cause of large-scale disease outbreaks–Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), and Swine Acute Diarrhea Syndrome (SADS). I threw SADS in there because I knew it would hurt your head, you haven't heard that one.

viruses have been mutating forever. Bill Gates even predicted this early last year even the guy who wrote the book about Wuhan 400 like 20 years ago was smart enough to know the virus would continue to come out of China in a natural order.

You say biological warfare is condemned but yet the United States has plenty of level IV virus labs every country likes to play with this. For defense purposes of course. But if this was a weapon you can bet Trump would've been all over that and probably would be at war by now. Right?
Did you call me a prick..... Thanks for the compliment should've said big prick

tombalita1
  3/19/2020 19:24 EST

Surf,

The U.S. media will side against the U.S.
and agree with the Chicoms just about every chance they get!

Tom

Robertdav298
  3/19/2020 20:14 EST

ISLAND........I suggest you find a chinese forum to post all of your BS about China.

You seem to have plenty of facts when it concerns the US but are completely foggy when it comes to the Communist government of China.

I personally do not care how the virus got started, there are many theories and you can pick one to suit your narrative.

Fact, the virus originated in WUHAN CHINA and its fair to call it a CHINA VIRUS.
Fact, CHINA was slow to report the virus to the world and we all know why.
Fact, China let hundreds of people from infected WUHAN fly to Europe and other countries knowing that a pandemic was iminent. Why was a pandemic iminent because the virus was very contagious and China knew it.
China media has been flooding the airways with false accusations trying to difuse the world crime they committed. But guess what, the world is not stupid they know exactly what happened and each country will take their own measures against BEJING.
A silver lining from the pandemic, is that the US has been sleeping for decades as administration after administration was getting rich off of making China the ECONOMIC GIANT that they are today.
But we have a new SHERIFF in the WH, the steps that his administration has taken against china put a dent in the wall.
Consider this, Bejing had to do something to slow the US ECONOMY down it was a growing machine hitting on all cylinders while the trade agreements that were made was costing BEJING billions of dollars and more to come as DT was just beginning his "art of the deal".

Light switch come on........enter a world pandemic that slows the world down and cripples the US Economy. Sure thousands will be infected and there will be many deaths around the globe. But china doess not care about human rights as their countrymen are still oppressed. It will take months for the world to recover and they are hoping that the world will be even moreso dependant on BEJING.
Wrong, DT is smart enough to see thru the fog supplied by China he has signed an excutive order to give funding to US companies to ramp up manufacturing of drugs and antibiotics that were purchased from CHINA.
There is much more to come because the US has awakened........courtesy of BEJING

Earnestndeavor
  3/19/2020 21:08 EST

Moot says;

“ You're pick if you still have some common sense.”

Moot as you can see by reading some of the comments here common sense is a flower that doesn’t grow in all gardens.

Keep hammering my friend.
Respectfully, Earnie

TheIslandGeneration
  3/19/2020 21:14 EST

Robertdav298

I'm glad I got everyone's blood flowing its sort of like mental aerobics for you guys. I'm not posting BS just the facts. But here's something you may find completely crazy agree with you. I mean you said clearly it originated in China... I agree completely. When you want to call it a China virus Trump wants to call it a Chinese virus. But I was trying to get across was let's not stoop to the Chinese narrative... The name-calling doesn't focus on the immediate issue. Besides in the United States there definitely Asians and I'm sure Filipinos being attacked by some redneck who looks at all Asians the same. That part becomes dangerous especially when that same redneck can't go to work.

And I know you're saying that Beijing may have released this virus to slow down the US economy. But come on a lot you guys have been in the military's is a horrible plan. First of all if you want to do it right you make the virus in a lab. Since you made the virus you also understand how to defuse it. You know it's genome. You make a vaccine before you release it. You could infect people that are getting on a plane going to the US that's probably efficient enough. But you know that planes landing in the US and targeting certain cities. And you know that the virus will spread. He then announced you have a test vaccine for your country and you inoculate them with what you know is the correct vaccine along with known emerging cases of flu. That's how you have a weapon and a defense at the same time. You certainly and that biological warfare scenario you do not want to damage your economy.

If China destroys the US economy you're knocking out one of your major producers. Let's also keep in mind that Germany, Iran, and Italy. Italy had signed into the Belt and Road initiative, Germany had a sister city with China.... Iran was in bed there also. The virus just ran over those countries like a freight train.

As for DT I'll still say he's been slow to get on this as I posted before but then when it all went crazy he has reacted well and trying to marshal the forces. Congress, Senate and Donald Trump are focused on one major issue the virus. That's good but lets also keep in mind to Congressman just came down with COVID-19. Keep in mind the virus looks at Congress and the Senate as a nursing home it won't be kind. So that's a really interesting conspiracy theory that the viruses made it to the US government but yet is not seem to have perfected the government in China.... Seriously some of you guys should love this.

Earnestndeavor
  3/19/2020 21:16 EST

Robert, excellent brief of the source, current status and glimpse into the future of the China virus.

Respectfully, Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/19/2020 22:15 EST

Theislandgeneration;

You continue to be a China apologist, however I won’t challenge those inaccuracies in this response. My purpose in this post is to enlighten you regarding “Rednecks”. I can do this because I am a redneck. Your use of the term in the pejorative is entirely ignorant.
As I said I am a redneck and I know the difference between Filipinos and Chinese.
The term “Redneck” was given to hardworking farm workers who worked in the fields stooped over exposing their necks to the sun. I personally experienced this as myself along with my farm worker family picked cotton and produce. The term has absolutely no racial overtones. So I am proud of this moniker. I achieved it the old fashion way, I earned it.


Respectfully, Earnie

Robertdav298
  3/20/2020 00:14 EST

ISLAND........First I am glad you agree with me.

Is there not a chemical lab in the vacinity of WUHAN? Could it be possible that "somehow" the virus was leaked from the lab? Could it also be possible that the China media purposely reported that the virus came from animals?
As for the Chinese Government standing by ready for a vaccine for the virus that they created........not likely. Just based on the sure notion of how BEIJING views their population.
As I said in my post, China needed a way to slow down the economy and what better way than controlled chemical warfare even though you expect some collateral damage.

Yes, I am military and I look at things a tad different than most. In the military we are trained to know who our enemies are and we can easily detect those who pretend to be our friend but their true colors shine brightly. China is one of those, make no mistake about that.

Also MR. ISLAND.........please refrain from using terms like redneck as you will offend many of my brothers.

Robertdav298
  3/20/2020 00:25 EST

EARNIE.......let me be the first to apologize for the labeling of a person as "redneck".

I am sure that the poster has no idea of that particular label and its origination.

Another reason why we must be careful on this forum what we post because we never really no just who our audience is.

Example.........LOVEPHILLY........is from WV and you would never expect that unless he told us........smile EARNIE.

Robertdav298
  3/20/2020 00:45 EST

is anyone on this forum old enough to remember or are there any history buffs that recall what Americans did after the Japanese bombed Pearl?

Remember how the japanese Americans were treated?
Fast forward to the mid fifty's and how we made jokes about products made in Japan.
For the longest time every DEC 7th people would get something made in Japan and break it or set it on fire. It wasn't until the mid to late sixties that Japan learned quality, especially with the auto industry and electronics.

The point I am making is that I see history repeating itself. Americans will soon not forget this pandemic and niether will our government. The world is watching and China got an "F" on its report card.
I look for people to boycott China products, I look for countries to look for alternate suppliers than China. Unfortunatley there are some countries around the globe that are so heavily invested in China that they cannot survive without BEIJING.
One of those countries is unfortunately the RP, the current president is so divested in BEIJING as he sold out his countrymen to China.
D30 and his administration has stated publically more than once that the RP must move away from its reliance on the US and Europe

Earnestndeavor
  3/20/2020 03:15 EST

Thank you Robert however I’m was not offended as it was obviously made from ignorance.

The term brings back great memories of times with my adoptive family. I remember picking cotton with my Mom along with my little sister who rode on Mom’s cotton sack. I remember with great pride the day I achieved manhood in the eyes of the other workers. It was the first time I picked a hundred pounds in one day. The men who recognized my accomplishment knew nothing of racism. They were white, black, Latino and perhaps others. My neck was red and sore but I at age 12 was a man and I was ten feet tall as we walked home anxious to tell Dad. These are a couple of my redneck memories.

Identity politics has become so prevalent today that many don’t realize that they are dividing America. We are all Americans who can be proud of our country and our individual accomplishments.

I personally do not like the constant attacks on our President and our country although I recognize and support other’s right to express their opinions. I must admit I’m not always able to ignore some of the more outrageous comments, but I will never apologize for being a proud American.

Respectfully, Earnie

LarryKar
  3/20/2020 03:43 EST

You guys crack me up. Enraged over a common usage word yet worship the biggest name caller in the history of Twitter. From The Oxford English Dictionary..." Redneck...A working-class white person, especially a politically reactionary one from a rural area." Bet you never laughed at Jeff Foxworthy either.

Earnestndeavor
  3/20/2020 06:55 EST

Larry said;

“ You guys crack me up. Enraged over a common usage word yet worship the biggest name caller in the history of Twitter”

Wow Larry, calm down, maybe you should reread the post. You are the only one “Enraged”. I am the redneck and I stated I WAS NOT offended. I went on to speak positively of my redneck heritage.

Just another opportunity for you to spew your hatred and discontent. Doesn’t surprise me.
I think what really twisted your panties was my patriotic closing.

Respectfully, Earnie

LarryKar
  3/20/2020 07:09 EST

Earnestndeavor Not you. It was your fearless defenders who had to circle the wagons. You at least acted with dignity. Its like a Comic Opera every time. And please stop the "my patriotism is bigger than yours" crap. Or are all men no longer created equal?

tombalita1
  3/20/2020 08:33 EST

Larry,

If that's the Oxford English Dictionary's meaning of Redneck, then they are also engaging in "revisionist history".

Tom

LarryKar
  3/20/2020 09:17 EST

Right Tom, the Oxford English Dictionary is such a well know Liberal Rag.

phonedoctor1
  3/20/2020 10:02 EST

i am proud to be called a redneck ! i was raised with a solid work ethic and basic morals, i started working at 14 and before that i sold newspapers since then after leaving the navy, i have achieved a total of 5 journeyman licesenes in other aspecets of telecom .i contracted and traveled the entire usa contractracting to all the phone companies, am now disabled so income is a small percentage butwill be better when im sell this house and move back to CDO

phonedoctor1
  3/20/2020 10:07 EST

you the man !

tombalita1
  3/20/2020 10:48 EST

Phone Doctor,

Liberals and the media, but I repeat myself, associate the word redneck and word bigot as synonymous. They have also done the same to the KKK, leading people to believe it was a Republican organization when it fact it was founded and supported by Southern Democrats.
The examples of the Left's hypocrisy of too many to list. One thing to remember: What they are usually accusing you of is what they are doing. Have a great weekend.

Tom

LovePhilly
  3/20/2020 11:57 EST

Thank you Robert for the kind words.

A little history about the term "Red Neck"...

It actually originated in West Virginia (shocking right) during the coal mine wars during the early 1900's. The coal miners rose up for better working conditions and the mine owners hired thugs and the federal government called in troops to put down the uprising. The coal miners wore red bandanna's around their necks to recognize each other as a "good guy".

They became "Red Necks" and the term remains in our language. In WV today, it carries a negative connotation as someone who is mean and dishonest as opposed to a "good ole' boy" who is also rural but honest, hard working and helpful. My understanding is that in the south it changes meaning and means the same as a "good ole' boy", a term to be proudly associated with.

LovePhilly
  3/20/2020 12:05 EST

Interesting article for more information on Redneck's...

https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/redneck-origin-definition-union-uprising-south.html

coach53
  3/20/2020 13:24 EST

TheIsland
"If China destroys the US economy you're knocking out one of your major producers."
Yes, I suppouse you are corect,
but the opposite too so the "Trade war" Trump started and annoyed European Union too, is bad for everyone including USA.

- -
It's some funny USA opened up trade treaty with China many years ago expecting USA would sell a lot TO China, but it ended up with a big NEGATIVE trade ballance for USA :)
(But I don't know how it became later.)

coach53
  3/20/2020 13:53 EST

(I have forgot if I have told this in this forum.)
(I "Americanise" the Swedish words for the earlier illnesses, I don't know what they were called international.)

Problematic flue viruses commonly start up in SoithEast Asia (I don't know if Phils is included in this point of view.)

Many have depended of farmers breeding pigs to close to birds. A flue NOT dangerous DIRECT from birds to people, can mutate from birds to pigs by pigs being less different from birds. The difference between pigs and people are SMALL so viruses mutate from pigs to people rather easy.
There are such close bird-pig breedings elsewhere in the world too, but they mostly mutate serious i SE Asia so I guess it has something to do with the climate too somehow.

There have been several such flues .origin from SE Asia as e g
/"The Asiat" around 1957
/bird-flue
/swine flue
/and now corona.

/Old original called "Spannish illness" around 1914, some scientist rather recently say the origon of that was from SE Asia too.

/"Diger death" around year 1200-1300 came from somewhere in Asia too, I have forgot how far east it's trased back.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/20/2020 16:53 EST

I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired of winning. These checks are awesome and definently not socialism unless the Republicans say they are. Cheeto in control! The economy is gonna roll.

Robertdav298
  3/20/2020 19:16 EST

PHILLY/EARNEST, I would like to know how many country western songs sang about "rednecks".
Wasn't there a known comedian that did a standup up rednecks?

LarryKar
  3/20/2020 19:58 EST

Robertdav298 You are thinking of Jeff Foxworthy. Guy made a career out of " You might be a red neck jokes". Bet they laughed. I grew up in Southern Illinois in some ways just as southern if not more so than WV. Been to way more than my share of honk tonks and hog roasts.
" Up against the wall you red neck mothers". Come on sing along.

LovePhilly
  3/20/2020 21:25 EST

Honestly Larry, I'm so glad you found a way to associate yourself with this term by calling yourself, "Southern" Illinois. My friend, you really have no idea at all what "southern" really means. I'm sorry but you drink your tea without sugar.

tombalita1
  3/20/2020 21:31 EST

Larry,

I bet a lot of people don't know that southern Illinois and southern Indiana are pretty "southern". Thanks for that.

Tom

DavaoDelSur1
  3/20/2020 22:31 EST

When things go bad under Democrats it years of BS "investigations" White Water, Benghazi ect.. But when things go bad under Republicans denial , misdirect, and the ostrich.
Just like trump take all the credit and none of the blame. After all god is on his side.
Just keep talking about Navy ships, the South and red state crap.
He shut the border with china, but crickets on delayed testing by refusing WHO test kits, shortage of medical gear, and letting china buy up all USA stock and manufacturing of respirators until June.
Trump closes the US pandemic office and defects blame. We need to investigate this crap not mindless circle jerks to nowhere . Why can South Korea do it right but bumbling Trump can't?

Robertdav298
  3/21/2020 03:13 EST

YEAH LARRY.......thats the guy, his comedy made everybody laugh.

I think he had a TV show as well.

LarryKar
  3/21/2020 03:22 EST

Tom and LovePhilly: I did not say that Southern Illinois is a Southern State i did say, "I grew up in Southern Illinois in some ways just as southern if not more so than WV. " Southern Illinois is a valid and recognized description. These days anything south of I65. I guess you guys never heard of it called, " the dark and bloody ground." I will give WV credit when the Civil War started they knew which side to fight on and split from Virginia to do so. Both places share amazing history.

rebtop
  3/21/2020 06:22 EST

Larry. Countries still fight wars of long ago. Iraq, Iran, Shia & Sunni. And new grudges form. tRump is trying to stir new hatred for China by labeling them. He may succeed too. His redneck followers will believe anything he says. Wow we have a cause to rally around, says dumpy. His fellow repugs are in the chorus now. Lock him up. Lock him up. I have begun to love that expression.

LovePhilly
  3/21/2020 08:56 EST

Yep Larry, WV is a bastard state. No one claims us. If you are from the north we are southerners. If you are from the south we are northerners. The Mason Dixon line runs right though us.

The real reason the state exists is because the Appalachian Mountains form our eastern border. General Lee couldn't move troops fast enough back and forth across those mountains to defend both Richmond and what is today WV. So, the residents here voted for statehood at the gun point of Union soldiers.

coach53
  3/21/2020 11:08 EST

" I would like to know how many country western songs sang about "rednecks"."
There were even a Swedish group named "Rednex" very well known here and toured in USA too.

The music became hits among "common people" too, but only the woman belonged to the group in the RECORDING too,
but when PERFORMING the men in the group were just ACTORS pretending to sing and play instruments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM&list=RDmOYZaiDZ7BM&start_radio=1
The dark haired woman in LATER videos aren't origin.

I suppouse they joke, don't copy rednecks :)

tombalita1
  3/21/2020 11:52 EST

Earnie,

There are China apologists in this forum. You know who they are. I always called the Covid 19 the Wuhan virus, others the China virus or the Chinese virus, That's where it started!! This is a very prime example of political correctness. Can I again remind everyone that Barack Hussein Obama refused to call the terrorists, that is those from Islamic countries, male, 18 to 35 years old, that carried out many terrorist acts, he refused to call them Islamic Terrorists. Let's call a spade a spade!! Thank you.

coach53
  3/21/2020 13:15 EST

Remember I'm Sweed :) We protest against ALL powerabuses UNDEPENDING of who make it. We have protested much against e g Sovjet/Russia and China too as well as against Swedish politicians and corruption. I suppouse that's why Sweden have among the lowest corruption in the world, but we aren't satisfied before it's zero :)
I have a hard fight AGAINST a SWEDISH municipaly. Next step Monday.

I'm against all attacks against civilians. (Not counting governments to civilians when they are involved in unfair violence against civilans.)

tombalita
"he (Obama) refused to call them Islamic Terrorists. Let's call a spade a spade!!"
Yes. But don't forget the American terrorism :)
I'm NOT mainly thinking of Omaha-bomber and school schootings (but them too) but the terrorism done or supported by USA GOVERNMENT during the years...
(E g USA SUPPORTING of Saddam Husein during many years. Until Saddam Husein screw up and attacked Kuwait.)
Georg Bush the older STARTED GOOD when he attacked Saddam Husein and pushed him out of Kuwait, BUT then he realy screwed up when encouraged the kurds in north and the muslims in south of Iraq to revolt against Saddam Husein. When they did, then the borders were closed by sanction so they didn't get in weapons. Not so good chance to fight with ancient rifles against Saddam's subermodern military (built supported by American money)....
That made USA got seriously damaged reputation international...

When George W Bush (=the younger) became president they had decided allready they will attack Saddam Husein again, and MAKE UP a "reason". Later they "found" the IDEA "mass destruction weapons" UN said wait until all are checked - were DURING the checkings still - but USA didn't wait. (Perhaps) they knew nothing will be found that's why hurried to attack before UN had finnished checking... :)

A HUGE error was done by Georg W Bush in STARTUP of that war in his SPEECH. I heared it but have forgot the words. He said something which many earlier PEACEFUL muslims interpreted as USA started a war against all MUSLIMS. This made muslim terrorists started to get many more recruits. So it was Georg W Bush who started the EXPANSION of muslim terrorism...

USA has even supported DICTATORS to get rid of DEMOCRATIC elected governments. Sure in Chile.

That's just some examples
I know a bunch of things against China too :)

LovePhilly
  3/21/2020 14:39 EST

Tom,

You are locked and cocked. Right on. China is our enemy. Period. I love the people but the communist party is our enemy. Call it brother.

Robertdav298
  3/21/2020 19:41 EST

PHILLY........agree 100% CHINA is our ENEMY........news flash, this is not new.

Question.......what countries has been helping NKOR and breaking sanctions?

Answer: CHINA and IRAN

This has nothing to do with DT, China was our enemy long before DT got elected. The only reason that you did not hear about it was because the "black muslim" was afraid to confront CHINA as they were raping our US ECONOMY.
Now you hear about CHINA because we have a Commander and Chief that "calls a spade a spade" and they do not like it because it hurts their pocket books.

I wonder just how many chinese students are in the US supposedly getting an education while working for BEJING?
If I were president that would be an easy answer because their would be ZERO. Our colleges are overcrowded as is........why would we allow foreign students to be educated in the US only to use that education against us. Makes no sense at all.

coach53
  3/21/2020 20:17 EST

Robert
"China was our enemy long before DT got elected. The only reason that you did not hear about it was because the "black muslim" was afraid to confront CHINA as they were raping our US ECONOMY."
But this started with USA took initiative to open trades with China, BELIEVING USA would sell much more to China than China to USA,
but it ended up with China selling MUCH more to USA :)

I remember it happened long before Obama, but I don't remember when. In general I'm bad at remembering time.

rebtop
  3/21/2020 20:42 EST

Coach. Nixon started the reestablishment of relations with China. It evolved from there. Business discovered the potential of enormous sales to China but China outsmarted them. If you want our market, we want your technology. The short sighted giants of industry only cared about short term gains which lined their pockets. Whored their companies for the buck. The Repug way. Traitors.

tombalita1
  3/21/2020 20:43 EST

Coach,

Thank you for that recap. Can't really disagree with anything in general. We have supported dictators, but I would argue that supporting them was better than the alternative. Hosni Mubarak in Egypt kept the peace with Israel for 30 years. When he was taken out of power and the Muslim Brotherhood was elected, it didn't take long to see the results and how the newly elected leader Mohamed Morsi reigned terror and was overthrown by the people.
Better with Mubarak.
You're on point about Saddam Hussein. He kept the Iranian regime at bay. While they were fighting each other everything as fine. Did anyone think that with Saddam out of the way that the suppressed Shiites in Iraq wouldn't rise up, overthrow the Sunni's and partner with their Shiite brothers in Iran.
Better with Saddam
Dictators may suppress the people in their own country and violate human rights. If the alternative is the United States trying to overthrow the dictator and trying to make their country like ours, then I say leave the dictator alone. Everyone involved ends up hating the U.S. Afghanistan, a tribal country that has never had a strong central government. Did we not learn anything from the Russian occupancy? Let's leave and if the Taliban takes over, so be it. I just shed a tear for all the guys we lost in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, to stay there means we lose more, with no end in sight.
I

rebtop
  3/21/2020 20:48 EST

tRump wants to give large businesses $2,000,000,000,000. This on top of his tax cut. He is quoted as saying. I will not let them use this money for Stock buybacks this time. AH. His lips are moving so we all know he is lying. O

Earnestndeavor
  3/21/2020 23:05 EST

Reb said ;
“ AH. His lips are moving so we all know he is lying.”

Earnie says sorta like with Reb.

AH. His fingers are moving so we all know he is hating.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/22/2020 00:12 EST

If you like some good China bashing and I know a lot of you do. All of you might actually want to check out a New York-based Chinese channel it has underground news. Tiffany the host bangs out data in rapid fashion from underground sources in China. Reporting everything the Communist Party doesn't want you to see or hear. They even called the virus CCPvirus which which the chalices stands Chinese Communist Party virus. It shows about 10 minutes long but if you watch one here on the link will provide backing up everything you say about Chinese Communist Party

https://youtu.be/kBCh5P3oiOI it is a YouTube channel and you can subscribe and also hit the bell if you want to see the newest one every time they come out. When it first starts it's in add mode so just wait four seconds and clicks get bad.... Annoying but to get a pay the bills somehow

coach53
  3/22/2020 01:17 EST

tombalita
"We have supported dictators, but I would argue that supporting them was better than the alternative."
Well. In Chile USA supported the military junta dictators to TAKE the power from the DEMOCRATIC elected.. That massacre and following terror weren't good...

It become funny when American presidents say "We fight for democracy" :)

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 02:42 EST

Am I missing something? Has every president since Nixon been a Republican?

Earnestndeavor
  3/22/2020 03:08 EST

Tom says;
“Am I missing something? Has every president since Nixon been a Republican?”

Remember this Tom

“When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers “
Socrates

We see this play out every day on this forum.

rebtop
  3/22/2020 06:32 EST

Coach. It seems many people think our country is religious and Christian and therefore can do no wrong. You will never convince them otherwise.

rebtop
  3/22/2020 06:59 EST

You picked what you wanted from my post and without fully reading it. ..I said Nixon started the contact. Great thing as he was not all bad. Just very paranoid. .. Big Business is the problem. International business. Once they are that big, they are no longer American companies, almost a country unto themselves. They buy Politicians as they buy parts, democrats and republicans. No feeling for community. ... PS times are terrible and I will no longer include snarkiness in my posts.

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 08:45 EST

Reb says, "Remember this Tom “When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers “

I hope you're not slandering me Reb.

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 08:50 EST

Reb,

Christians are wrong many times. Wrong . . . . .but forgiven. God Bless you and your family this Sunday morning.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 08:53 EST

T.I.G.,

Thanks for this link.

Tom

rebtop
  3/22/2020 09:00 EST

Tom. Slander is comparable to snarkiness. Both impugn a person’s character. Sometimes effective in focusing attention but mostly unwarranted. I see no need to use either at this time of crisis.

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 09:02 EST

The short sighted giants of industry only cared about short term gains which lined their pockets. Whored their companies for the buck. The Repug way. Traitors.

Steve Jobs (Rest in Peace) and Tim Cook are such Repugs!

rebtop
  3/22/2020 09:05 EST

Tom Every kind of blessing is needed at this time. The whole world is going through a remake. I only hope the true meaning of God is taken to heart when we emerge from the end of this black tunnel.

rebtop
  3/22/2020 09:40 EST

Tom. I am very concerned for the USA. We are mostly a service / financial country now. We farmed out our manufacturing overseas. These large, international corporations own these companies on paper. Which is becoming very precarious with the ascension of populist governments. The tax cut made this situation horribly worse. Instead of investing the largess we tax payers gave them, they instituted stock buybacks which only enriched them, board members and very upper management. Now trump and McConnell want to repeat this travesty. When trump was called out on this, he said” that was wrong, they should not have done that. I promise that they will not do it again” He knew they were going to do it the first time because his administration was part of the tax cut proposal team.
Just the facts

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 10:37 EST

Reb,

Thank you for all that. We agree on a lot. However, tax cuts have worked every time they've been tried.

I'll just say one last thing as I'm tired of the back and forth . Anything that puts more money into your pocket and mine is good. I've always believed that you can spend your money better than the government. Living just 25 miles from DC, I've seen these politicians up close. The more money you send them, the more they will spend. They will create a program to spend it on, build a whole bureaucracy around it, and it will never go away. Example: Social Security, We put the money in the budget every year to pay for it. There is no Social Security Trust Fund. The answer the Federal government has is to do what's been done for so many years now, take more from Social Security dollars from the people working and give less Social Security to those who paid in all these years and are now collecting. Remember way back when the Social Security amount taken out of your paycheck was 10% of the amount taken out for income tax? Now the amounts are very similar. I want the government to provide the military and the few other things that the states cannot provide. In other words, very limited government. Instead we have a large overbearing Federal government. Whether it's state, county or city, the more local we can do things, the better. Just my observation.
Tom

coach53
  3/22/2020 11:41 EST

rebtop
"Coach. It seems many people think our country is religious and Christian and therefore can do no wrong. You will never convince them otherwise."
Well. I believe mainly AMERICANS think USA can't do wrong :)

USA is much more religious than north half of Europe. Here are the believers less than 10 percent, because we "exported" our most religious fanatics to USA 100-150 years ago :)

coach53
  3/22/2020 12:04 EST

tombalita
"The short sighted giants of industry only cared about short term gains which lined their pockets. "
Well. Middle sized companies in North America and Western Europe has been forced to move their production to low salary countries too, because otherwice the jobs would get lost anyway by bankruptcies...

- -
rebtop
"I am very concerned for the USA. We are mostly a service / financial country now. We farmed out our manufacturing overseas."
I predicted over 25 years ago North America and Europe are "doomed" by each COUNTRY can't live of just producing services for the own country and import the products from low salary countries.
COMPANIES in these countries HAVE TO move most production abroad to avoid bankruptcy.
This will go on until the gap between these "rich" countries and low salary countries REAL value of salaries will become low enough to be economical to take home productions again. The "rich" countries will have SOME higher salaries still,
BUT it's bad for working morale to get values of salaries dropt. while low salary countries will still have lower but significant RAISED salaries so they will be happy..

This have been seen since I predicted it by e g
/credit grade for USA has droped some
/the economies in e g SouthEast Asia have developed much better than North America and West Europe,

That's one of the reasons I plan to move to Phils :)

- .-
When Trump got elected he said he will take home jobs from low salary countries.
Call centers in Phils got some panic.
I wonder if Americans would realy like it if it happen in big scale, because that would make living COSTS in USA much HIGHER...

Trump's talk about protection custom fees against exports TO USA has annoyed e g European Union.
Has that happened or has Trump got any sence :) about that? It would damage the world economy including USA's...

How much of the taking home jobs have REALY happened?

rebtop
  3/22/2020 12:10 EST

Coach. TU very much for the gift. What can we give you in return?

coach53
  3/22/2020 15:03 EST

rebtop
"Coach. TU very much for the gift. What can we give you in return?"
Which gift? :)

I'm in big part idealist so I don't expect anything in return anyway.

(Although in business and stock trading I see money as a messure of successlevel. But I'm satisfied as long as I have enough. E g when I had my distribution business I took from my profit and paid my employees 10-35 % better than the bigest competitor paid their employees.)

LovePhilly
  3/22/2020 15:43 EST

You can't talk to them Tom. It's like trying to talk to a wild bird

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 16:43 EST

Coach: I took from my profit and paid my employees 10-35 % better than the bigest competitor paid their employees.)

Well done Coach. You are a true free market capitalist. Congratulations on your success.

Tom

rebtop
  3/22/2020 17:07 EST

You bragged about getting rid of of ultra Christians and sending them to us. I wanted to see how I can TU. For your entertainment you have watch the series The Cartoon President. You can thank me later.

rebtop
  3/22/2020 17:12 EST

Love. You have to watch this series on Showtime. The Cartoon President. You would love it.

coach53
  3/22/2020 17:44 EST

tombalita
"Well done Coach. You are a true free market capitalist."
Thank you.
I like to MOTIVATE people with incentives, expecting people to work better then. Beside money I added things as table tennis and canoe too. And if they worked good so they finnished faster, they could go home earlier with full pay.
And I checked them only when they were new, plus a few at random, but they made better quality than the compeeting company anyway, so the last 3 years before I sold I got more work than I wanted WITHOUT doing any marketing.

Many have told me such "flat" style of leading is impossible in Phils, but I plan to try anyway.
Left to see if it's possible. I like "impossible" challenges :)

rebtop
  3/22/2020 17:56 EST

Coach. You certainly sound like an intelligent person, by your posts. :-)

coach53
  3/22/2020 18:33 EST

rebtop
"Coach. You certainly sound like an intelligent person, by your posts :-) "

Well. I often think different.
Some people think I'm clever,
and many people say I'm idiot - until they see results of my "crazy" ideas haha

tombalita1
  3/22/2020 21:36 EST

Coach,

Good luck to you. Don't listen to the naysayers. Give it a try. The only thing you may have to watch out for is pissed off competitors

Tom.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/22/2020 23:14 EST

tombalita1
Why the CDC seems to have failed.

The Trump administration had shut down part of the pandemic department of the CDC. It commented at the time he didn't want to but a scientist sitting around doing nothing... Essentially studying emerging viruses. Six months prior to the virus breaking out, the United States had an embedded epidemiologist, Dr. Linda Quick, at China's disease control agency. But she was removed in July of last year. This left us no one knowing what was going on in China.

This was yet another move to cut out science. What we rely on to understand what is emerging and what is the future based on scientific data. This should go down as an incredible blunder. Sort of like ignoring early radar right before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The analogy is about the same.

Since that time we relied on China to directly tell us versus Dr. Quick, who would've reported directly to the CDC when the activity began. Since the Chinese did not know what was happening at first Dr. Quick would've been privy to the first cases.

Unfortunately, the Trump administration viewed the post that was wasteful. CDC had a 30-year partnership with the Chinese CDC and was in close collaboration. But the trade war and the dislike for scientific information took out un but turned out to be what we needed at the most. Our administration then went on to ignore John Hopkins University's growing data that the virus was out of control and adopting the attitude we can stop it won't get us. Now it has us.... 400 Americans have died in the US of the virus as of this date.... Many more Americans will die.

Trump said Americans are fighting an "invisible enemy". It was made invisible by the Trump administration cuts the scientific endeavors through the CDC. But it was not invisible in January when the Chinese posted the genome of COVID-19 ... That everyone missed the fact that the Chinese were calling out for help in saving face. They were saying here's the monster someone helps us kill it. This is its structure to figure out a solution. Those Chinese scientists those doctors based on retribution for what they were brave enough to do... Many of those are dead or gone.

There's no weapon here no conspiracy... If that were the case China's actions have been a declaration of war by biological weapons. Trump would've enacted military powers.

I knew this was going to happen... I tried to tell all of you back in January.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/22/2020 23:37 EST

By the way watch that stock on Monday 3/23....Danaher... zoom! While the rest of the stock market will crash horribly..... Let's see

Morgacj2004
  3/23/2020 01:52 EST

Rebtop said” The tax cut made this situation horribly worse. Instead of investing the largess we tax payers gave them, they instituted stock buybacks which only enriched them, board members and very upper management. Now trump and McConnell want to repeat this travesty”

You obviously did not watch the press conference earlier today in which DT specifically called for language in the bailout bill that would disallow CEOs from any buybacks.

Morgacj2004
  3/23/2020 01:56 EST

China is our political enemy until there is a revolution which will eventually come. Hopefully at that time democracy will prevail.

darkfader24
  3/23/2020 03:02 EST

Coach53 - Yes, The UK and Europe sent the persecuted Christians to the shores of America - and then the World watched as it produced the wealthiest, and most powerful Nation that it has ever seen. No, not a perfect place. We have certainly endured our share of scoundrels. But the World has also been blessed many times by the giving and generosity of the USA. In times of crisis, in times of war. How many Crosses and Stars of David are planted on that cemetery near Normandy Beach? How much blood from our young men and women has soaked into the soil of Europe, only to have Beautiful Flowers come up in the Spring - reminding us of The Flower of Our Youth? Yes, Europe sent us Christians - and Europe dragged us into THEIR F-Ing Bloody Wars, too!!! Thank You, Kaiser Wilhelm. Thank You, Adolph Hitler - and Neville Chamberlin, who would not stand up to him. Thank you, Mussolini. Thank you, Europe!

darkfader24
  3/23/2020 03:18 EST

Coach53 - "....still have lower but significant RAISED salaries so they will be happy.. This have been seen since I predicted it by e g /credit grade for USA has droped some /the economies in e g SouthEast Asia have developed much better than North America and West Europe, That's one of the reasons I plan to move to Phils :) - " I wish you great fortune, Coach. I hope that your optimism pays off. The RP is indeed a land of challenges. I will say that my Pinay, who lives in the Mindanao area, works literally 12 to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for 6,000 pesos per month! That's $120 USD per month! That's insane. Unbelievable. I will also say that she is stunningly intelligent. With a High School education, she is an avid book reader, speaks well - actually quite good English - but also very intelligently. We can engage in deep Political, and Philosophical discussions. She holds her own in any argument at the tender age of 23. She considers herself very fortunate to even have THAT job. She still has work, because she is a cashier at a food store. She got ill, tested for Covid19 - but only had a bacterial infection, Thank God. She got an anti-biotic but even while feeling ill, she returned to work after 24 hours. She did not want to miss work and lose her job! Of course, she cannot live on 6,000 pesos a month! So I give her 10K and more for extras, like the Doctor visit and antibiotics. She shows me her receipts to prove that she is not scamming me. I know that I am breaking the rules but this kid is killing herself. I have seen her work and her riding her bicycle there. She's legit. I feel so much pity. Anyway, Good Luck in your endeavors. I hope that it all works out for you in the Philippines. Maybe you can help some good people out with decent wages and benefits!

coach53
  3/23/2020 07:07 EST

rebtop
"You bragged about getting rid of of ultra Christians and sending them to us. I wanted to see how I can TU. For your entertainment you have watch the series The Cartoon President"
Not bragged. It's a HISTORICAL FACT.

The fanatic christians, - with a bit different view than the state church fanatic christians :) - weren't "send" but they CHOSED to emmigrate, to get away from problems the state church made them. Back then it was kind of obligatoric to be in state church and be questioned by the state church priest testing knowledge in christianity.

Big part went to USA. They even founded a town there specialy for one group of belief type. I have forgot the name of the town, but a vague memory believe the group was called "Laestadians". At least one of these emmigrating religious fanatic groups were called that.

coach53
  3/23/2020 07:22 EST

tombalita
"Good luck to you. Don't listen to the naysayers. Give it a try. The only thing you may have to watch out for is pissed off competitors"
Thank ypu.
I haven't decided yet which of my 184 business ideas to chose :) (They are down to 8 favorites. Which will partly depend of what type of land I find cheap when arriving.)
Some can make competitors angry, specialy one perhaps started by it would be a good combination with one of the other favorites.
Some I suppouse they don't bother because the products will be sold elsewhere anyway.
And two are so uncommon so almost no people know what it is even when see it, which is good to reduce theft risk haha But they need more research if they can be done without geting poison waste. No problem with the end product but the process is dangerous.

Perhaps I will export, then it's even less problem for local competitors, except it can be short of local raw material for two of the ideas.
In one idea I will produce the raw material myself to get control of that and save transport costs, and then refine it. This later one is the most likely if I can make good enough quality with the modified production idea I have, which would reduce the production costs much if it functions.

coach53
  3/23/2020 07:37 EST

darkfather
"WW II"
Yes I had allready written thanks for that somewhere earlier.

"Thank You, Kaiser Wilhelm. Thank you Adolf Hitler."
A correction: Germany DIDN'T want war WW one. They got forced to by they were allied to Austria-Hungary who were the crocks wanting to take Serbia, provoking them, so the shooting took place and they got "right" to start the war.
So Germany ended up at the loosing side without wanting to fight.
This made life terrible in Germany after the war, and this made Adolf Hitler GOT ELECTED :( (Then he transformed it to dictatorship.)

coach53
  3/23/2020 08:15 EST

"my Pinay, who lives in the Mindanao area, works literally 12 to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for 6,000 pesos per month! That's $120 USD per month! That's insane."
Yes. The lowest EARLIER legaly earned only 2500pesos plus food and sleep place per month.
Or around 7000 without food and room.
But there is an exception for some small companies so they don't even need to pay that :(

- -
I have compared the COUNTRY economics since back before the world crisis 2008. GDP in SE Asia has developed much BETTER than North America and West Europe. The Philippines too, but e g Thailand has developed much better than Phils.

E g in Phils teachers has got much higher salary during these years, but I suppouse "unqualified" jobs are hold down still by big unemployment. GDP raised by less unemployed?

- -
Your gf is a keeper :thumbs up:

LovePhilly
  3/23/2020 16:45 EST

Dark,

My brother in law runs a little store and shut it down last week because of this virus. He has four girls that work for him there and he pays them 100 dollars a month. This makes me literally sad. I am sending him money to pay them while the store is closed. I am so humbled by this. I just have no idea what it means to work for 5 dollars a day. When I think times are though this story reminds me that I am a King. God has blessed me beyond reason.

LovePhilly
  3/23/2020 16:49 EST

One last message.... I really don't care if you are conservative or liberal. Honestly the fight bores me most of the time but seriously, Biden's teleprompter went off and he lost his mind. He didn't know what to say. Please dear god people, you cannot make him the President of the United States.

rebtop
  3/23/2020 18:26 EST

Coach. .. more modern example of fanatical religion is Jonestown in Guyana. Religion is sometimes misleading.

rebtop
  3/23/2020 18:54 EST

Sitting here listening to the administration presentation. Shocked. Government is not to be involved. Businesses are stepping up. This is actually very scary if you extrapolate what is being said. Sounds like Reagan where government is the problem. Can you imagine our world run by business? Trump wants to “readjust” the direction of the response to the tRump Pandemic. People have to go back to work. It will work like this. People will die. More jobs available. Lower unemployment. Business will get rid of dead weight and opportunity in the form of competition will grow. No labor unions, Except law enforcement unions. We need them to enforce our laws. Any questions?

Robertdav298
  3/23/2020 20:01 EST

MORGAC.....welcome back....how was your visit to CRIMSON....IN LAPU LAPU?

Actually I do not respond to this guy called REBTOP........it makes no sense to me, as today he labeled the COVID19......"TRUMP PANDEMIC".

I think they should just fire all of congress and send them all home.
In this time of national crisis they still make it political, bickering like a bunch of 3rd graders. Then yesterday the wicked with of the west shows up in the senate.......just to make matters worse.
A few Senators including "traitor romney" are at home anyway on a so called self qurantine. The people of UTAH can sure as he....l do better than this loser.
Everyday that passes by the American people who need financial help fall further and further behind while congress argues.
I would like to say that this surprises me but ever since 2016 this congress has done nothing but be in "RESIST MODE".
When history looks back on these sad times this congress will be known as the worst do nothing congress of all time.

Your grand kids will be so proud of you pelosi and schumer.

rebtop
  3/23/2020 20:34 EST

Love. Dear God don’t make trump president. See there is no god. Trump started his show this evening by trying to read from the teleprompter without adlibbing. He could not. Followed by mostly intelligent people. The contrasts was astounding. God help us endure physically and financially for the next nine months without going into a severe depression. Let’s see if there is a god.

rebtop
  3/23/2020 20:46 EST

Robert please let me interpret your middle paragraph message., American People needing financial help. Where do the disgraced repugs want to send the money? Clue trickledown. Same old Trick and same old Down for the American People. At least the dems want to give the money back to where it was stolen., the American People. And he promised that when the international corporations get our money they would not use it for stock buybacks this time Yea right. And Mexico built a beautiful, perfectly amazing wall. And China paid welfare to the tune of $2 trillion to the Midwest farmers via their tariffs.

LovePhilly
  3/23/2020 21:33 EST

Rock on Robert!

Earnestndeavor
  3/23/2020 22:29 EST

Surprisingly In Reb’s latest anti Trump rant he made a TRUE statement when he said The President was “ Followed by mostly intelligent people.” thank you Reb.

Now Reb since you say President Trump is not your President. I’m sure you will not want to cash the check he’s sending you so please sign and send to me. I promise to donate all of it to a very good cause. President Trump’s re-election effort.
Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/23/2020 22:45 EST

Right on Robert , this quarantine has me once again responding to comments I should ignore. You were and still are correct with your fire and oxygen analogy. In other words, don’t blame a clown for acting like a clown blame yourself for going to the circus. Today I’m at the circus and blaming myself.
Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/23/2020 23:14 EST

Dark, your response to coach gets my vote for “post of the day”
You dotted the Is and crossed the ts. Thank you, Earnie

coach53
  3/24/2020 00:46 EST

rebtop
"Coach. .. more modern example of fanatical religion is Jonestown in Guyana."
Yes. American religious fanatics.

"Religion is sometimes misleading."
Religion is ALLWAYS missleading :)
by shuting of logic thinking.

As small child I got a christian education, but I found out by own logic thinking when I were 6-7 yo :) it can't be as church say...

coach53
  3/24/2020 00:55 EST

Earnest
"Dark, your response to coach gets my vote for “post of the day”"
Yes in big parts,
but not concerning Kaiser Wilhelm. Germany got forced to go into WW one.

And don't forget the dictators USA has supported :) even AGAINST democratic elected government as in Chile!

rebtop
  3/24/2020 05:15 EST

Earnest thank you for agreeing with me. I appreciate it. I guess you noticed also the stark contrast between intelligent people making presentations and trump. I may disagree with the intelligent people but I can respect their opinions and the defense they presented when challenged. No name calling or abuse of power by deriding a person of lower stature. I do appreciate watching trump. It does get exciting.

rebtop
  3/24/2020 05:21 EST

Earnest. Again thank you for acknowledging my posts. You must have watched the trump show also. Since he needs airtime to remain relevant, he will trot his dogs and ponies out for all to enjoy. Where is Dr. Fauci? I guess the intelligent doctor contradicted trump too many times and was replaced with Barr. What do you think?

LovePhilly
  3/24/2020 07:47 EST

Earnie, you are one funny and awesome dude!

TheIslandGeneration
  3/24/2020 17:53 EST

Easter -virus equals get out of home jail free card

Okay, I was agreeing with Trump he seemed to be doing all the right things getting science in place all the doctors. But then he put the deadline on the virus of Easter. Viruses do not go by holidays and resurrections.

I know he says he's hoping but obviously, he's really pushing to get the economy back on track. But are we now following the narrative of China? They obviously set a deadline that everyone in Wuhan was cured. Reporting zero infections when we all know it's still raging.

Then we have the Diamond Princess in Japan where the Japanese set two-week confinement and then one day before everyone's release 50 people were diagnosed positive but they let him go anyway. A number of countries reported the people read page created had some come down with the virus including the United States where the guy got sick on the plane coming home.

Spain had 500 people died today of the virus catching up on Italy pretty close. A nurse interviewed from Italy said were not even counting them anymore when they die. A good friend of mine in France said there turning away people that are 75 and telling them to go home and die there. This is crazy people.

US numbers are about to go jump on confirmed cases probably be on anyone's belief. Trump obviously stopped listening to science and is just setting a deadline. Notice how the head of the CDC is not in the meetings anymore because he corrected Trump and so did other doctors right after he spoke about having medicines they are right away which wasn't true the FDA hasn't approved any. They can be used off a label like the malaria drug. Trump said anyone in the US can get a test. This is so out of touch with reality on the ground it's ridiculous. I've known a number of people that have tried to get a test and know a number of medical people I've talked directly with that said in less you have traveled outside the US or you know someone that has the virus you cannot get a test.

This virus is not going away it's embedded. The US's military is already making plans for it for next year's flu season. Even people speaking next to Trump said they have plans for three cycles of this virus essentially for the next 2 to 3 years.

We need to have a good treatment plan that works first. Slow the virus by slowing people spreading it.

I guess I shouldn't be too worried because let's face it this is going to turn into a nightmare number wise the hospitals will be overloaded just like Italy. And obviously were much larger than Spain or Italy so the impact on the number of people who die will be quite staggering

LovePhilly
  3/24/2020 18:26 EST

I've been watching Congress all day. Will you please just get off your ass and make it happen? These stupid democrats are trying to add on windmills, reduction of airplane pollution, etc. People, this is just plain stupid, There is another day for this. Right now it needs to happen.

Do you people not understand our small businesses can't pay their bills? I mean for heaven's sake. Nancy is a nutcase. Some of you on here are nut cases.

rebtop
  3/24/2020 18:49 EST

Love. Nancy has to go. Our present leadership is so poor. Both parties. They are dinosaurs, including trump. We are in the most scary time of history in the country. Including 1964 to the early 70s. I am losing confidence that we can emerge from this trump epidemic whole.

Earnestndeavor
  3/24/2020 20:37 EST

“ I've been watching Congress all day.”

Love, I see you were at the circus also. Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/24/2020 23:39 EST

Reb says;

“ Robert please let me interpret your middle paragraph message.,“

Hey Reb, what’s even worse is Mary had a little lamb because Republicans denied her an abortion. Earnie

onememphisdude
  3/24/2020 23:44 EST

People get to have fun...and expect ME to pay for it. Condoms are cheap. Don't expect Republicans, or anyone else, to pay for your stupidity.

onememphisdude
  3/25/2020 00:15 EST

..Don't be a Snowflake. Time to stand up and lead and act. Be a light to those who are poor at making decisions. Your children and grandchildren seek the experience and wisdom and calm, take charge adult that was typical of the generation that fought WW2. MAGA 2020..and beyond.

coach53
  3/25/2020 00:34 EST

I started wondering if Italy and Spain have so many more deaths than in Sweden just depending of Sweden got the first cases later.
I did HOIPE it had other reason. Taiwan seem to have low too, so I hoped got low by doing something important different than other countries. But it don't seem so for Sweden, because yesterday the deaths DOUBLED from the highest earlier :'(
(Although still less than 50 total, 13 as highest at one day.).

rebtop
  3/25/2020 05:39 EST

Earnest. There has to be some way to lower the abortion rate. Prevent unwanted pregnancies is the only way. I am thinking that one way is have a BLUE pill for males also. Punishment is not a deterrent. Creating pain for others does get some people off though.

rebtop
  3/25/2020 05:43 EST

Onemember.. you sound like a great person to follow.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/25/2020 06:50 EST

Our politician have passed the 2 trillion dollar stimulus bill ; great. Now we need to shut down the country and hope its not too late. If not many more thousands will die with each delay.

rebtop
  3/25/2020 07:15 EST

Davao. tRump said his plan is to be open for business by Easter. Being the devout Christian he is, I fully understand his concern. The evangelicals are rejoicing now that tRump had blessed their special day. They fully believe god and tRump will shield them from this Trump Pandemic.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/25/2020 11:45 EST

Devout Christian! Too funny.

rebtop
  3/25/2020 18:21 EST

Sitting here watching tRump, with his beautiful orange face, perfect flaming yellow hair, fantastic white eyes and provocative round mouth. ... I found it hard to listen to his lies will watching his lips move.

rebtop
  3/25/2020 18:57 EST

Davao.. It appears you question tRump’s devotion to God. So you are then questioning his veracity. Has he ever given anyone any reason to doubt anything he says being true? I will give you two seconds to come up with a lie he told recently. See you can’t.

surfingcebu
  3/25/2020 19:16 EST

redtop, hop back on those pills ?. you can overcome this . Many have Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) like you , so you NOT alone.
you talk about a persons hair, lips,color od skin ...who really cares . We are here for you . Try meditation - worth a try !! . I gather alternatively your Left wing Liberal groups you side with , may have some therapies for you? . Talking about a guys skin color and hair all the time IS NOT NATURAL ! Do you think it is ? You may not like his policies , but , my friend, your sounding like a racist you call everyone els out on !!! Ironic ! The color of ones hair doesn't matter in life . BTW mine is Blonde - Grew up in the RP ....what does that make me > ?

Take care my friend !

Surf !

Robertdav298
  3/25/2020 19:49 EST

So the Senate takes days to argue like little kids that cannot play nice in the sandbox. Then THE WICKED WITCH FROM THE WEST SHOWS UP and torpedoed the whole bill.
But the senate finally passed the bill......now what......it goes to the the MOB and SQUAD run HOR.......does anyone with a brain think the SENATES bill has a wax rabbits chance in hell to pass in the HOUSE?
Like I said previously.......they should all be fired and sent home.
You want to MAGA start by firing the congress and the not so supreme court.
Start over with "term limits" for all elected officials. Supreme court should be elected NOT APPOINTED.

LovePhilly
  3/25/2020 22:28 EST

Robert, you just said it all. I really wish I had the vocabulary to express it better than you just did.

Robertdav298
  3/26/2020 02:20 EST

Philly....thank you SIR :)

I think what really eats my craw is that these politicians think that Americans are so stupid and granted many are as evidence of the posts on this forum. Politicians have ill regard for the average hard working man or woman, to them we are expendable i.e. collateral damage.

Example: at one point "the witch and her cohorts" will blast the current administration for the rising national debt.
But when they have a chance to help the "american people" they try and interject their OWN SWAMP AGENDA into the bill, raising the cost.
Frankly it makes me sick just to think they have the gall to hold hostage the american people.
What we need is a SCARFACE......to take care of these low lifes.

tlallen59
  3/26/2020 07:29 EST

COMPILATION OF FACT-CHECKER SITES HAVE EXPOSED BIDEN'S LIES HERE BUT DOES HE EVEN KNOW HE'S LYING? IMAGINE HOW MUCH COACHING HE REQUIRES. "Biden falsely said Trump slashed the CDC budget Biden was dinged by fact-checkers after he falsely accused Trump of cutting the budget for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) ... Former 2020 Democratic candidate Mike Bloomberg made a similarly false accusation during the debate. 'They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut,' the AP noted in a fact-check of the comments.Biden falsely said Trump rejected WHO tests. 'The World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now. We refused them. We did not want to buy them,' Biden stated during the March 15 Democratic debate. But that wasn’t true. 'The WHO never offered to sell test kits to the United States,' PolitiFact said in its fact-check of Biden’s comments." There are several more lies exposed in the body this article.

Earnestndeavor
  3/26/2020 07:52 EST

“ Supreme court should be elected NOT APPOINTED.”

Robert the problem I see with that is they become politicians and extremely powerful ones. Judges should never make decisions based on polls and electability. Judges must always decide based on the law alone.

Respectfully, Earnie

LovePhilly
  3/26/2020 08:55 EST

Well the Senate passed it...2 Trillion dollar bill. I don't even know how to write 2 Trillion that is so much. Enjoy your 1200 dollar checks!

gypsyquokka
  3/26/2020 09:25 EST

Hello Earnie - i agree fully that Supreme / High court [ depends on the country you are discussing] judges should be appointed. Almost every country in the world appoints judges to the top court - some for life and others until a specified retirement age. They should have nothing to do with politics, only interpreting the laws of the elected government and/or lower courts . Also agree with Robert that Senators , in any country should have a maximum set term in office. Smile

DavaoDelSur1
  3/26/2020 09:49 EST

I like the way tlallen fact checks, to bad he doesn't do it for our con man pathological lying President.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/26/2020 10:01 EST

There goes Robertdav using his combo keypad joystick again. Just like tlallen , he can only see faults of one side and not the other. Boeing has killed people rushing their 737 MAX into production. Now in the stimulus package they get 17 billion after blowing through 43 billion in stock buy backs in the last 6 years. But they're critical to national security so basically they get diplomatic immunity.
Just one example of bailing out corporate America. Social welfare for the "trickle down" lie.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/26/2020 17:54 EST

To All

On 3/21/2020 I said The United States has moved into the third position as the most infected country in the world with COVID-19. I said I would predict in a very short time this will double.

3/26/20 I admit it... I was wrong.... It tripled !! Now the United States according to confirmed cases is number one in the world at 81,321 with over 1,000 deaths. Actually, I think I was kinda happy with China being number one on this one ( okay they still are there just not telling us). the US needs to get out of its red tape ass. there are still numerous states that do not have test kits available. I personally know of three people that have symptoms and of gone to the various doctors and been told unless you travel outside the United States or you know someone personally that has the disease were not going to test you. Have we completely lost our minds? This will only spread the disease throughout the United States. Trump told us in a press conference that everyone who wanted to test could get a test ... I assume that will be Easter .... Mom looks at what my egg has inside an IOU to every creditor out there and let's not even mention that everyone who lost their jobs also lost their health insurance and you can exactly pay for COBRA if you don't have an income.

rebtop
  3/26/2020 18:56 EST

Island. We will be free to move around by Easter. No fear. Test kits will be available by the millions shortly. Vaccines are being released that will eradicate this tRump Pandemic in no time. Liberty University is opening its campus. Praise the lord.

Robertdav298
  3/26/2020 20:10 EST

EARNIE.......in a perfect maybe......but to even think that the supreme court justices ARE NOT POLITICAL IS INSANE.

Have you not seen what Judges sotomayer and ginsberg said about DT if they are not politically biased then the world is flat.

Robertdav298
  3/26/2020 20:14 EST

DAVAO.......please do not refer to me personally on this forum. I do not respond to you and there is a valid reason for that.
I have already reported you to the peacekeeper for personal attacks which are a violation of the forum rules.

Earnestndeavor
  3/26/2020 20:39 EST

Gypsy says;
“ Also agree with Robert that Senators , in any country should have a maximum set term in office. Smile”

I can only speak of the U.S. and I completely agree with Robert on that point as well and should have included such in my comment,
Absolutely elected officials should have term limits. Career politicians must not be allowed. We need citizen legislators who serve their terms and then return to their jobs in the community. They should have expenses paid and a reasonable stipend, not a salary and perks only dreamed of by most Americans. We do not pay our men and women of the military who commit to giving their lives these outlandish salaries so why legislators.

Respectfully, Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/26/2020 21:15 EST

Robert says;
“ EARNIE.......in a perfect maybe......but to even think that the supreme court justices ARE NOT POLITICAL IS INSANE.”

First Robert as of my most recent medical checkup let me assure you that I am not “INSANE”.

I agree that judges are definitely political and in particular the two you pointed out. However I think having justices elected only makes them more political. When you have people like George soros spending millions to elect local district attorneys one must assume he or others like him would spend whatever it takes to have a Supreme Court Justice or two in his pocket.

We currently have a judicial system crammed full of political activists from the previous administration. President Trump has countered this with appointments of judges at all levels who interpret the constitution as it was written not as they wish it was written.
It is certainly imperfect but I prefer appointment over election.

Respectfully, Earnie

tombalita1
  3/26/2020 21:35 EST

tlallen,

Thank you for the info on Biden. He probably doesn't know if he's lying or not. He just reads from the teleprompter.

Another take from your post, cutting programs. Each Federal budget item has a built in increase programmed into it every year. If a lawmaker dares to talk about freezing it at the previous years budget or even talks about reducing the rate of growth, they're accused of cutting.

tombalita1
  3/26/2020 21:59 EST

Guys,

What do you think about a law that says that all politicians, local, State and Federal, have to retire at age 75? Not politically correct i know.

Tom

Robertdav298
  3/26/2020 22:35 EST

TOM, I think that 75 is way to old. I think that 65 is plenty old enough. Plus if we had term limits I doubt any politician would be that old anyway.

There is no reason why a supreme court justice should serve for life. Can you name another profession that your job is for life?

Robertdav298
  3/26/2020 22:57 EST

EARNIE.......ease up.....put on the brakes, I never would would say you were insane or even imply such a thing.

If you read my post what I said "to think supreme court justices are not political is insane".

Do you really think JUDGES in general are not political?

Example: there are small towns in the USA that have known "speed traps" and should you be so unfortunate to ever get stopped by the police of that city you will see just how corrupt they are. You will get a ticket even though you were not speeding and there is not a thing you can do about it, just pay your fine. Oh you have the option to to go to court BUT THE JUDGES SALARY comes from the same pot as the police.......guess what you lose, better to just pay the fine.

Point is to think that the "supreme court" is above this corruption in not correct. They are corrupt but just do it on a Federal level.

I am old enough to remember when the SC was viewed as the most fair and judicial body anywhere in the world. Often times their rulings were questioned by many but we never heard the corruption.......why is that?
The reason is that the SC has been a political tool as we hear the words "liberal or conservative" based on their rulings prior to getting appointed. Now just beacuse they are a SC Judge have they changed their stripes, I think not.

tombalita1
  3/26/2020 23:05 EST

Rob,

I've noticed that an age limit has it's benefits. Look at the flight attendants on Emirates, Qatar, ANA, Singapore, Korean Air. Then look at the U.S. flights attendants, Delta, United, American . . .
need I go on?? Wink, wink.

Tom

tombalita1
  3/26/2020 23:30 EST

Good debate guys! I just have a thought about the Supreme Court. Conservative presidents nominate judges that interpret the Constitution and attempt to keep it within the intent of the Founding Fathers. Liberal presidents tend to nominate those who will "update" the interpretation of the Constitution for their agenda. In other words, "legislate from the bench".

As we know, the Senate Judiciary Committee and then the overall Senate vote to confirm or deny the nomination of the judge.

In my 40+ years of observation, Republicans seem to give a lot more leeway on SCOTUS judges. They feel the president has the right to nominate. As long as they are qualified, they are confirmed.

Democrats on the other hand will try to block any judge put forth by a Republican. I remember a younger Senator Joe Biden and his attacks on Clarence Thomas and Ted Kennedy's attacks on Robert Bork. Fast forward to the Dems attack on Brett Kavanaugh. As we've found out, their attacks based on lies, witnesses who were coached and never there, you name it, they fabricated it. THANK GOD we had a president that didn't whimp out and pull the nomination!!

When the majority of the SCOTUS judges are liberal, any legislation the Congress passes they don't agree with will be challenged in the courts, count on it..

Earnestndeavor
  3/26/2020 23:56 EST

Theislandgeneration,

Sorry my friend but you are full of crap.

You are a China/commie apologist and a Trump/U.S.A hater. You will twist facts and outright lie to advance your narrative.

Let me remind you once more;

China started the virus.
China hid the virus.
China lied about the virus.
China failed to contain the virus.
China spread the virus to the rest of the world and I’m not completely convinced it was unintentional. You simply want to move past these facts and somehow blame the U.S. and President Trump for the current pandemic.

The United States was blindsided by China as was the rest of the world. However, the United States has responded with everything we have available and has exhibited great leadership at every level.

The main problem is the haters such as yourself in Congress have held up the relief package for over two weeks trying to get money for their pet projects (planned Parenthood etc) and said the hell with the suffering American people.

What I read and what my U.S. healthcare provider (Kaiser) tells me is the opposite of your three friends. I know of no verifiable claims of folks who genuinely need testing being denied. Since there are a limited # of test available now we cannot test everyone with a sniffle.

I am always open to an honest debate of facts or opinions but please keep it real.

Respectfully, Earnie

surfingcebu
  3/27/2020 00:10 EST

Communist workers with impeccable English troll hundreds of thousands of Aires’s . China estimated social media Amy 7+ million Trolls and propagandists . We have them everywhere. Sad fact of life now .

Be warned !!!!

Earnestndeavor
  3/27/2020 00:16 EST

Robert says;
“ EARNIE.......ease up.....put on the brakes, I never would would say you were insane or even imply such a thing.”

Robert my remarks were tongue in cheek as I thought yours were.

Respectfully, Earnie

DavaoDelSur1
  3/27/2020 00:19 EST

Robertdav , Commenting on ones writing style and pointing out flaws in their argument is not a personal attack. I can see how the quarantine is getting to you. I suggest you buy Klenex, tampons, and Preparation H on you next shopping trip. This should ease some of your anxiety.

TheIslandGeneration
  3/27/2020 02:59 EST

Earnie

Actually try to attack my facts, not me. If I've learned one thing when people fear what I say they attacked me and not the statistics that I post. Not scientific facts. Not the freaking obvious. Try to keep in mind I didn't just come up with these ideas I posted them on this blog back in January, well before the coronavirus began rapidly infecting people in the United States even Johns Hopkins University had been tracking the virus' spread in China and other countries worldwide.

So how was the United States blindsided?

You said I will twist facts and outright lie to advance your narrative... okay what facts did I twist and outright lie?

You said China failed to contain the virus..True it's our turn and we have had 2 months to get ready ..think the US will contain it?

You said "Let me remind you once more; China started the virus" I will say the virus started "in" China. So did the Hong Kong flu, bird flu, SARS... and the start of numerous influenza viruses.

It was all over the news and streaming on YouTube that the Construction of Huoshenshan Hospital kicked off on January 23 and emergency hospital to handle a SARS-like coronavirus. Our satellites had to pick up even way before that them clearing the ground. Before that, there were many Chinese doctors warning everyone that would listen to a SARS-like virus breaking out. I mean you don't need to be in the intelligence community to know that when SARS got out in the past and had a 10% kill rate. But this virus was spreading incredibly fast unlike SARS-1

Blindsided.... Seriously how can you say that in the face of recent history?

As soon as the Communist Party got its act together they were certainly trying to cover it up and as I have said they are covering it up even now. Using the same scientific evidence that I said back in January applying it today there's no way Chinese at zero rate infection... Not possible.

You said "I’m not completely convinced it was unintentional" I understand a lot of people think that way. But unfortunately, the boring part is probably true..a horseshoe bat somehow coming in contact with a pig or Masked Palm Civet and then that infected one human. That's all it takes to start an epidemic that then leads to a pandemic. If I'm wrong about the facts of how SARS started let me know now okay?

I never blamed Trump for the current pandemic as you stated. Never said that once. But I can blame him for telling the American people on Feb 26th "Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said. "We're ready to adapt and ready to do whatever we have to as the disease spreads if it spreads. "We're very, very ready for this," Trump said, adding that only 15 people had contracted the virus in the U.S. and that all were expected to recover.

Why say this to give the American people a false sense of security when China was frantically trying to get the situation under control building enormous makeshift hospitals and Iran was digging graves? At the same time John Hopkins, CDC, and the Washington DC media were reporting on a very dangerous virus breaking out of China. And don't forget a month before Trump spoke I put on this website what was happening.

But as you put it "Sorry my friend but you are full of crap" take on my facts...

What was the first antiviral Trump pitched? I got this one... Remdesivir an antiviral medicine made by Gilead, the American pharmaceutical. Where was it first tested? On Feb 6, 2020, China began enrolling patients in a clinical trial. Why can't Americans tested first oh that's right all the red tape and besides China has got the virus bad we can see what it does to them.

Malaria drug... Yet it was tested in China first and then used by the Australians. AIDS antivirals...Thailand.


You then mold me into Congress as for special interest being added to the bill. No way this bill should only be about saving the American people protecting those most vulnerable which are the seniors in this country and others. That's why I've been trying to give you guys information that wasn't getting out way early. The same medicines I talked about Trump talked about later...check history. I was trying to give you guys the jump on the medicines before they disappear off the shelf. You don't have to take them just take them to your doctor and say already got these should I be using them? If the doctor is smart and well-read he might agree considered a small investment in the future life insurance.

Remember I told you guys the by that stock that on Monday morning the stock market would go down but Danaher would go zoom. Tell me you guys bought it at $121 on Monday as I said to.... You didn't? Making a handsome little profit. How did I know that was going to happen?

Remember when the VP said on that Saturday that he was getting a test for the virus and then by Saturday evening he said he tested negative.... Only one test on the planet can do that Cepheid...parent company Danaher. Then they got a massive order from the government. That probably because the president of Cepheid Inc visited the White House I kind of figured he probably brought one of the machines with him and a few test kits.

Okay what else was there .. Test kits .. You said Since there are a limited # of tests available now we cannot test everyone with a sniffle. I agree with the sniffle part. But you have to understand your point about testing was with Kaiser. Many insurance companies have started their own testing. But even Kaiser requires you to have a doctor's prescription.

Trump clearly said that test kits were being shipped out so that anyone who wanted one could get one. But again that's not true. Kaiser requires that prescription as do most testing facilities. That means you have to go inside a doctor's office sit with a bunch of patients who don't have coronavirus wait for an hour or more while you are infecting the rest of the room assuming your positive. See your doctor, get a prescription and then go get tested. But by then you've infected half the town.

Believe me, I like Trump's idea of everyone being able to get tested but the reality is this just isn't true or easy and then Kaiser noted in numerous newspapers 5 to 7 days for the results. That's insane and I think even you would have to agree with that.

I'll say the president the vice president, Congress, and the Senate should at least have the 45-minute rolling all the time.

I also find it crazy that Trump puts himself at risk every day at press conferences in a room with a bunch of other people that just came in from the outside. To be quite honest let's use technology, go down to Best Buy by a big freaking TV, stream Trump and other officials from another room to the press room and let him answer questions that way. I have no idea why they're not doing this to protect our elected officials. Hopefully, you agree with that one

LarryKar
  3/27/2020 05:32 EST

Is the Supreme Court political? Of course not. Neil M. Gorsuch is there only due to his sterling record and even keel temperament.

tlallen59
  3/27/2020 06:42 EST

Your welcome tombalita1. This is there nominee brother. Thank God he is not in charge of anything right now. I just love these keyboard punks on here that run there mouth knowing that they can say anything they want about people without being slapped upside the head for it. Disrespectful know it all's that believe everything that cnn tells them after they chop up what Trump says to fit there narrative without actually listening to what the man said. Gullibility is the sign of a weak mind.

tombalita1
  3/27/2020 06:52 EST

Larry,

I agree with you about Gorsuch.

Tom

coach53
  3/27/2020 08:07 EST

Robert
"I am old enough to remember when the SC was viewed as the most fair and judicial body anywhere in the world. Often times their rulings were questioned by many but we never heard the corruption.......why is that?"
Perhaps depending of AMERICAN common news didn't show what news in e g Europe have shown :)
Here it's common knowledge USA has very HIGH corruption compared to most "rich" countries...
At European channels are shown documentaries made by AMERICANS. I don't know if they aren't shown at all in USA or just shown at not popular channels by so few Americans (seem to) don't know of such.
E g several cases where "murderers" have been found guilty after American POLICE have MADE UP "evidiences" but later proven innocent after been executed or been in death cells many years,..

Swedish TV show much critical against PROBLEMS IN SWEDEN too.
E g one government minister had to quit just because of he had sneaked away from paying an obligatoric fee.
Probably the most known corruption case here is from when the expected NEXT prime minister got political carriere killed by buying a chockolate bar haha and a bit more with the card ment for parlament costs.
Here almost all official documents are REALY public by anyone can demand to see them. So there are journalists checking "everything". And newspapers, TV news and other programs SHOW what they find. And so many Swedes bother so it would be "suicide" for political parties to not kick out persons who have been caught being corrupt. (Except such as free dinners, some of free traveling and to good retirement pay for parlament and government politicians.) Very few caught corrupt has survived politicaly.
I suppouse that's why Sweden have among the lowest corruptions in the world.
Norway, Denmark and New Zealand too.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/27/2020 09:25 EST

tlallen you talk big, must beat your wife if she disagrees. No wonder you live in RP. You need a submissive wife, no western woman would stay. I'm sure he's not the only one here. And that other crybaby that fakes being a vet. Bunch of babies that can't handle the truth let alone the First Amendment.

tlallen59
  3/27/2020 16:15 EST

Yah that's what I do asshole beat my wife. You people are so mad I think because you married your grand daughter and she took you for 1/2 your 401K and the house. I'm not the one sitting alone in a bedroom running my mouth you 2 are.

darkfader24
  3/28/2020 00:19 EST

Philly - That is a really wonderful and compassionate thing that you are doing. I am referring to sending money to your Brother In Law to help his girls that are currently without work. It is so difficult there - and in other 3rd World Countries. If we only knew.... it would horrify us. if we consider it tough here - wow - just imagine there. I'm sure people will starve. Thank you for you kindness and compassion, Brother!

Earnestndeavor
  3/28/2020 00:36 EST

I find it interesting that those who COULD NOT make it here in the RP are also angry and bitter with the country they returned to.

Apparently wherever they go they show up.

Earnestndeavor
  3/28/2020 01:13 EST

DDS1 says;

“And that other crybaby that fakes being a vet.”

I have no idea who you are referencing but this is a very serious allegation. We exchange some pretty mean spirited remarks at times but this is over the line. Unless you have proof of your allegation I will ask you in the spirit of honesty and morality to please revise your comment. Those of us who have served are proud of our service. To have it demeaned or ridiculed is a slap in the face of all of us.

tlallen59
  3/28/2020 04:06 EST

AMEN Earnest.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/28/2020 04:12 EST

Look up Philippine Air Force, see any F-15 or F-16's? Well this clown is a "Trainer". Plus other crap he spouts, Security Clearances ect... He's dumb and egotistical which are also red flags.
Could be wrong but I doubt it. Look I'm proud to of been an Infantryman but never bragged about it. Most braggers I have come across have been phonies. His stories don't add up.
Also I don't consider this an insult to other vets. Especially those who were in combat. Phonies need outing. Could I be wrong sure. You all be the judge, especially the veterans here.

surfingcebu
  3/28/2020 04:50 EST

Davao- sorry didn’t follow you. Who you referring to? Must have missed a few posts as usual. Manning Check points as volunteer here with the BRGY and police ... been busy these days . Interesting for sure though.

rebtop
  3/28/2020 06:50 EST

Davao.. my bonifieds. E5. I believe MOS was 19K. Drafted tank commander. That was a hoot :-)

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 06:58 EST

Thank you for your kind words Dark. I served for ten years in a military unit called a "Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Team". I was the Commander of that unit for three years and had hundreds of hours of training on biological agents.

In these past few months it's all become so real to me. Human kind is at war with a living organism so small that we can't see it. Let's see if human kind will put our disagreements aside while we bond together to fight this war. And yes, if that means sending a few hundred bucks to someone who really needs it then that's one small part. Let's all help each other in whatever way we can.

rebtop
  3/28/2020 07:12 EST

Love. I agree with you about putting partisanship aside. It starts at the top. tRump has to stop calling people names, sleepy Joe for one. This clown show is the cause of the escalation in partisan politics.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 07:14 EST

Finally I don't want to mislead anyone about viruses being living organisms. That is arguable because they cannot replicate on their own. They require a living cell to do this. Whatever you decide to call them, they are ugly.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/28/2020 07:42 EST

Just for your info it's not you I'm referring to Ernie. We might not agree on much, but I find you respectful. So at least from my viewpoint we are cool.

tombalita1
  3/28/2020 07:50 EST

Philly,

Dark - Thank you for you kindness and compassion, Brother!

I echo Dark's sediments. Thank you for supporting the family.

Tom

tlallen59
  3/28/2020 10:01 EST

You haters are being lied to and manipulated. That would make it there fault not yours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNEJD3xC8A&fbclid=IwAR1I6gdDR7l5_rYguEw0PPaOl0XIzJQ0aLqBwW1_hGeSBSJnUMYThItFjhY

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 14:58 EST

Reb I ordinarily don't read your stuff anymore not because I don't disrespect you but simply because we come from different world's and my doctor tells me to control my blood pressure.

So I want you to read your last post about name calling and I really want you to think of the names that you called my President. Seriously, could you just take a personal inventory and think for a few moments? These are your words....

"It starts at the top. tRump has to stop calling people names, sleepy Joe for one. This clown show is the cause of the escalation in partisan politics."

His name is not "tRumb". His name is President Donald Trump. He is not a "clown", he is the President of the United States of America. Why don't you send me your physical address so I can turn Tom and Allen loose on your ass?

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 15:07 EST

I meant "respect" you not "disrespect" you.

Robert corrected me last week and reminded me that I am an officer and a gentleman. Thank you Robert. I know better and I'm smarter than that.

I normally don't behave that way and I shouldn't crawl into the gutter with these people. I apologize to all for not holding a higher standard.

tombalita1
  3/28/2020 16:25 EST

Love,

E-8,USN (Ret), rendering a salute to an officer and a gentleman.

Tom

rebtop
  3/28/2020 16:31 EST

Tom. E5 19 K.... I believe

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 17:04 EST

Returning a salute Tom to you and all the enlisted personnel that make it happen. Thank you for your dedication and lifetime of service to our nation.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 18:33 EST

One last thing Reb. I think you were trying to describe your own military career just previously. Maybe I misunderstood but I think you said you were a 19-K and drafted as a tank commander?

Anyone here can correct me if I'm wrong but after 27 years of service in the Army I'm pretty damn sure no one gets drafted as a tank commander. That requires (at least in todays Army) the rank of E-6 Staff Sergeant. I'm pretty sure a 19-K MOS is a crewman (a loader or a gunman) on an Abrams tank and I've been wrong about many things as I could be now but I'm pretty sure most people that serve remember what their job and rank was. Finally, I might be wrong Reb but I'm guessing you are very old and losing your memory or you are literally an impostor that just makes things up. Those aren't the kind of details that soldiers, sailors and airmen forget.

Just as an example I can tell you right off off the top of my head that I enlisted as a private on 6 Jan 2006 to become a 76-C Repair Parts and Records Specialist and I can remember all the names of the forms I used. Six years later I went to OCS. I don't forget those kinds of details. Does anyone else here have trouble remembering your ranks or assignments? Just curious...

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 18:53 EST

Reb, you wrote...

'Davao.. my bonifieds. E5. I believe MOS was 19K. Drafted tank commander. That was a hoot :-)"

First, a tank Commander is an E-6 and that 19-K MOS is a loader or gunner. A Crewman. No one gets drafted as a tank Commander. Maybe that was possible during Vietnam, I'm not sure.

More importantly (and I'm not being mean I'm serious) is there anybody here that served in the U.S. Military that doesn't remember for sure what their last rank was?

Does anyone here refer to their experiences as bonifieds?

It is possible these assignments and rules were different in the 1960's so I could be wrong.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 18:55 EST

You wrote... my bonifieds. E5. I believe MOS was 19K. Drafted tank commander. That was a hoot :-)"

First, a tank Commander is an E-6 and that 19-K MOS is a loader or gunner. A Crewman. No one gets drafted as a tank Commander. Maybe that was possible during Vietnam, I'm not sure.

More importantly (and I'm not being mean I'm serious) is there anybody here that served in the U.S. Military that doesn't remember for sure what their last rank was?

Does anyone here refer to their experiences as bonifieds?

It is possible these assignments and rules were different in the 1960's so I could be wrong.

Tsmslf
  3/28/2020 19:11 EST

Rebtop, I, too, was an E5 but we tended to use the name (Hey Sarge!). Nobody ever called me "Staff Sergeant". My MOS was always in the 0300 area - line company - infantry to you all. At the end, I was a small arms specialist at Parris Island; read teaching on the rifle range and in classrooms sometimes about the M1 and a drill instructor.

Robertdav298
  3/28/2020 20:32 EST

love......no problem, I am the same as you, when people insult you, call you a fraud or a liar your first inclination would be to fight back and as they say "fight fire with fire".
But in reality what for, my wife and daughter read these posts along with me.......sad isn't it.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/28/2020 20:41 EST

Try fighting with the truth and not martyrdom. Prove me wrong.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/28/2020 21:32 EST

retop , My enlisting Army NCO in El Paso wanted me to enlist as a Tank crew member. But my desire was to be an Infantryman. When I got back to Southern New Mexico my recruiter looked at my paperwork and said he would of never would of guesses Infantry. Scored a 143 on entry test. Did 2 years at Fort Stewart 34 Mechanized the 4 years inactive reserve. Looking back wish I would of tried to find a better fit for myself. Only flaw was eyesight. My 2nd year I drove an M113, The "smart" guys flunked the test on purpose. It was ok other then combat night driving when I found out I was basically night blind. I caught glimpses of the forward vehicles blackout lights. Other then that was snaking all over the road while receiving voice commands. No one believed me at first because they all could see perfectly fine during the dark of night. When I hit a bride abutment about 30 min later I managed to convince my track commander who call me a blind mo fo lol. Which I responded to, what do you think I was trying to tell you Sargent for the last half hour. Good laughs. Just like the Army as to train as a driver without night vision test. I don't think anyone without good night vision should be allowed to join combat arms. A while later my First Sgt. tested me by sending me on an errand across a very large open field at night. He pointed at the skyline and said head straight that direction ect. About 100 meters out I walked straight into a tank ditch and fell " like the roadrunner" about 8 ft to the soft bottom. I landed on my feet with bent knees and walked out. They asked if I was ok and I just laughed and kept gong to my destination. Good times...

Robertdav298
  3/28/2020 22:27 EST

Just for you......I am a retired AF Pilot, I started on the F4 Phantom right out of the academy......this was post vietnam war. We were immediately deployed to the 26th TAC Fighter Squandron at Ramstein AFB, West Germany. From there we flew all over Europe and the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
When the F4 was replaced by the McConnell Douglas F15 Eagle many of us were retrained on this new Aircraft, this was in the middle to late 70's. I spent 30 years in the USAF. After retiring I worked for a government contract company.

Then was hired by the government to help train foreign aviators both in the US and in their home country. The RP under Aquino supposedly had a contract to purchase 3 F15 Eagles, that deal never happened instead the RP purchased FA50"S from South Korea. Which personally I do not care for but they will suffice for what the RP needs. I think the RP now has (6) of these fighter planes, but I may be wrong in that number.
After the deal fell thru to buy the F15's I was hired by a government contract company to help train Aviators that contract is finished.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 22:45 EST

Robert,

I've flown space A a few times to Ramstein AFB out of Dover. Loved it!!!! I'm sorry that your family read my anger. Sometimes on here it's not clear who the audience is. My apologies.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 22:55 EST

Test shot.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 22:56 EST

I think I am being blocked.

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 22:57 EST

I think the god's blocked me....

LovePhilly
  3/28/2020 23:00 EST

Test shot again! lol. It think the god's have blocked me.....

surfingcebu
  3/29/2020 02:01 EST

Hi Robert - flew the Ct 144 , CF 5 , C130 and Buffalo ( my favourite) , as well as the twin otter on SAR work.
I know the smell and feel of jet-A in my veins.
I salute you sir!

rebtop
  3/29/2020 06:58 EST

Love. I was there when my country needed me and called. I am proud to have served, as you .There should never be blind loyalty to a person only duty to your country. I live by that.

rebtop
  3/29/2020 07:32 EST

Davao. Yep. Great times, looking back. After being drafted I went to Ft Carson for basic and AIT, infantry. Orders came down for Vietnam and I was mentally prepared to go. Then, by god, an emergency levy came in for two platoons out of the whole division for Germany. I hit the lottery and jumped into a plane flew to Rhein Main airport. Never got home for two years. I was now a tanker. Like Elvis before me.

rebtop
  3/29/2020 07:34 EST

Robert. A very distinguished military career. I salute you Sir.

LovePhilly
  3/29/2020 08:14 EST

I flew space A from Dover to Ramstein AFB with my family a few times. LOVE the Air Force guys. They took my 9 year old son into the cockpit, took great care of us so great.

rebtop
  3/29/2020 09:38 EST

Love. I respect your question and here is my answer. My rank at discharge was Sgt E5 . My DD214 shows it with an MOS of 11E40. I was a driver when I got there. Jumped off a deuce and a half in Graf in June, I believe, after a full day train ride. The put me in the driver seat and had me go forward 1 klick and back 1 klick. Then stamped my record as tank driver. Spent four months as E 3. They asked me if I wanted to go to the NCO academy, which I accepted. Came out third in my class so when I returned to my unit I was given three strips and rank of Sgt E 5. We were short of TC’s because of rotation so I was made tank commander, which I held until discharge. My story. Also, I bought a Super8 movie camera and took over 60 rolls of movies which I posted on military FB sites. Incredible response from fellow tankers.

rebtop
  3/29/2020 09:42 EST

Love. I am responding to this post. You could be correct on all points. :-) You misinterpreted or I was not clear about being drafted as TC. I just posted a clarification. Hope you read it

DavaoDelSur1
  3/29/2020 10:22 EST

My sincere apologies to Robertdav298, his family and all the vets. I was wrong to accuse him of being a phony Veteran.

DavaoDelSur1

rebtop
  3/29/2020 10:30 EST

Davao, questioning is different than an accusation. I try to make my posts a question.

tombalita1
  3/29/2020 16:12 EST

Rob,

Thanks for your service! I was a Army brat 1952-1965. My Dad was a tail gunner in a B-17 from the 100th Bomb Group (Bloody 100th) out of Thorpe Abbots, England, 25 missions over Germany, After WWII, he got his degree and became Army Combat Engineer until his retirement in 1965. We lived in Japan (Camp Zama) 58-61, and Germany, both Giessen and Furth 62-65. Flew old Constellations (Seaboard World Airways) to and from Japan and sailed on the USNS Maurice Rose from the Brooklyn Navy Yard, Pier 4 to Bremerhaven, Germany. I join the Navy in 1973 and went everywhere for 26 years. Highlights would be deploying with the Seabees to Guam in 1975 and being on the front line of the Vietnamese evacuation. Nothing more thrilling than getting launched from a steam catapult off an aircraft carrier (S-2 or S-3 aircraft). Having loved military aircraft as a kid, I watched F-104, 105, & 106's and the B-58 Hustler from bases in Germany (Ramstein, Sembach and Spangdalem. Every chance I got
watch airplanes in the Navy, I did. F-15's and later 16's when I was in Keflavik to SR-71's at Kadena. After 7 years at Andrews and deployments to Kuwait and Iraq, my daughter is back at Andrews after 5 years at Minot (Why not?) North Dakota. I can report that B-52's are alive and well there (5th Bomb Wing) as well as Global Hawks at Grand Forks. As a contractor, I went to Diego Garcia (3rd time) from Singapore. On the return trip in a KC-10, as we turned and went full thrust to take off was an amazing sight. Lined up on the tarmac were B-52's, B-1's and B-2's.

A side note. My Dad passed away from Alzheimer's in 2004. Even though he couldn't remember much of anything, even us at times, he could still rattle off his old service number. I've rambled on far too long.
Love all you Vets. Tom

rebtop
  3/29/2020 17:41 EST

Tom.. Very exciting life. I salute you. Seems i missed you in Germany by a few years. I was stationed in Erlangen 1968. Ferris Barracks . 4th Armor

tombalita1
  3/29/2020 20:19 EST

Reb,

When I was in 6th and half of 7th grade (1964-65) we used to watch the 4th Armored (Tankers) football team play at Soldiers Field. The same Soldiers Field that Hitler assembled an estimated 300,000 Nazi soldiers (numbers are disputed). Our high school team, the Nuremberg Eagles, played their football games there.

As a little league baseball player, we played teams from Erlangen, Ansbach, Pinder Barracks, and Monteith Barracks among others. Those were the days. 15 cents for the on base moviess, 25 cents if it was a big one like The Longest Day or Ben Hur. Used to walk past the mess hall on the way to the bowling alley and see guys peeling potatoes by hand. I think a private's pay was $99 a month in 1965.

It was a different time indeed, thanks for the memories. I can remember 55 years ago like it was yesterday, but I don't remember what I did last week.

A sign of the times.

rebtop
  3/29/2020 20:50 EST

Tom.. We all change and evolve and adjust. My time in Erlangen was absolutely terrific. At the time I was not so sure I would remember it as a great time. Rotation to Vietnam was always on our minds.

I have about 60 rolls of Super 8 movies i took when i was there. Had them transferred to CD's and gave them out as presents to my kids. When they see me as a twenty year old, they laugh themselves silly.

tombalita1
  3/29/2020 21:37 EST

Reb,

Have done the same from Dad's 8mm movies from earlier and my Betamax and VHS tapes from later.

Tom.

Earnestndeavor
  3/29/2020 23:03 EST

For an “Officer and a Gentleman”

Robert you are what all Americans are proud of.
I salute you Sir.

Respectfully, Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  3/29/2020 23:30 EST

DDS1

I commend your post.

You stood up when many would have remained seated.

Respectfully, Earnie

LovePhilly
  3/29/2020 23:35 EST

I'm with Earnie Robert. You are one bad ass dude.

DavaoDelSur1
  3/30/2020 01:17 EST

Thank you Earnie. It's easy to get caught up in debate. Sometimes we forget we're all in this together. I believe the silver lining to this deadly Coronavirus is that we are all one. Circling the universe on this rock we call earth. Hopefully we all pull together to mitigate the tremendous loss of live ahead of us.

mootpoint20
  4/3/2020 16:37 EST

Hey, guys! Is it okay to remain on your thread if I have Coronavirus?

LovePhilly
  4/7/2020 02:57 EST

Check out this bad ass...

https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_this_morning/video/YPPr82dNpsX4Budx5AW0ipnjYwt56miv/iwo-jima-war-hero-honored-for-lifetime-of-service/?fbclid=IwAR2Tbxmx3N3iIUOqKDIzE3vXyXDJ2eFnlo6U_RbWkHHNhtdw8vmnjLEnipM

DavaoDelSur1
  5/5/2020 14:00 EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZQBiGhR8g

Paste this into YouTube search. Please feel free to comment your thoughts on this video.

DavaoDelSur1
  5/8/2020 18:22 EST

Trump sought a reopening but found the virus in the White House instead. Am I the only one to find this headline funny? I'm thinking there will be a deluge of crocodile tears in if it hits any closer to home.

LovePhilly
  5/8/2020 19:32 EST

I watched the video. I think it was just stupid for protesters to carry guns but it IS their right. All his other thoughts are just mouth diarrhea.

LarryKar
  5/8/2020 19:45 EST

DavaoDelSur1 Not funny in the sense that many innocent people work in the White House in no way political policy contributors. The first Valet was Active Navy assigned to the duty. Others work as cooks, cleaners, guards, Secret Service all potential victims of Trumps gross stupidity. Miller's wife ok i did snicker a bit.

Earnestndeavor
  5/8/2020 20:58 EST

“Trump sought a reopening but found the virus in the White House instead. Am I the only one to find this headline funny?“

I hope so. Finding humor in the fact that a U.S. Navy member has covid-19 ???.

I wish him a speedy recovery.

Earnie

LegazpiMan
  5/8/2020 21:32 EST

Your post went straight to the trash

LegazpiMan
  5/8/2020 21:32 EST

Your post went straight to the trash

Earnestndeavor
  5/8/2020 21:50 EST

“ok i did snicker a bit.“

Says nothing about your target, but speaks volumes about you.

I thank him for his service and wish him a speedy recovery.

Earnie

LarryKar
  5/9/2020 00:38 EST

Earnestndeavor Think you got your posts mixed up. I let out a slight snicker over Kate Miller. That was my point. Not the Navy Valet or any other rank and file West Wing Employees. Dont have any idea what you thought i meant or if you were actually even talking to me.

tlallen59
  5/9/2020 04:26 EST

Anybody that thinks that somebody getting sick from this virus is funny in any way is a true POS.

gypsyquokka
  5/9/2020 04:55 EST

Earnie - your posting is a bit two faced. """ Finding humor in the fact that a U.S. Navy member has covid-19 ???.
I wish him a speedy recovery."""
Just because some soldier boy gets Covid at the WH you wish him a speedy recovery and thanks for his service ????
We are all humans who suffer if we contract Covid AND deserve a speedy recovery, not just your flag waving mates. Everyone should be considered the SAME way. Trump wanting to reopen the economy is to improve his chances in Nov. NOTHING to do with compassion for citizens - ailing / unemployed / dire financial straits. SMILE

DavaoDelSur1
  5/9/2020 07:12 EST

So is someone who believes in karma a true POS as tlallen stats? Or is laughing at a callous arrogant clueless "leader" who might receive what he brushes off as tolerable. When others suffer and die, acceptable in todays political environment?

tombalita1
  5/9/2020 09:07 EST

Compassion is opening up the economy safely. A state like Florida that got ahead of the game early and has far less death per thousands than say . . . New York, that sent COVID positive patients back to nursing homes is fine to open with precautions. I certainly don't want NY, NJ or Mass to open up either until they reduce their death rate.
BTW, Gov Cuomo had to eat crow big time when in one of the daily briefings this week, he showed a chart that showed that 66% of the deaths in his state were people that stayed home.

Tom

tombalita1
  5/9/2020 09:17 EST

DDS1 writes: Or is laughing at a callous arrogant clueless "leader" who might receive what he brushes off as tolerable. ---- Are you talking about Barack Hussein Obama ?

Tom

DavaoDelSur1
  5/9/2020 10:10 EST

Compassion is treating those that serve under you the same as oneself. Trump's White House gets tested every day now that COVID-19 has entered its grounds. But the rest of the country is scrambling due to his incompetence. Every Governor is on his own to get PPE for his state. Anyone who thinks a good idea is delusional.
I think we're in for a serious uptick in cases the way we're opening up the country with inadequate testing and tracing. Which by the way is how other countries have successfully controlled the outbreak.

markrf
  5/9/2020 11:44 EST

tlallen, agree %100

Earnestndeavor
  5/9/2020 20:40 EST

Gypsy- I’ve always had low expectations of you and you still haven’t met them.

Your purpose here is to find ways to criticize the U.S., our President and now our military.

When you can criticize you’re like a teenage girl throwing her panties at the latest boy band.

Fortunately your opinions don’t count in the U.S. However I’m sure your own country will welcome your opinions.

Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  5/9/2020 21:04 EST

Larry you said;
“ Earnestndeavor Think you got your posts mixed up. I let out a slight snicker over Kate Miller.”

No mix up here Larry. Punctuation would have made your point more precise.

My point was that
Snickers and humor do not belong in a discussion about those infected with the virus regardless of political persuasions. Even though we often disagree I thought you were bigger than this. Apparently your hatred is bigger than you.

Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  5/9/2020 21:45 EST

DDS1 says;
“ So is someone who believes in karma a true POS as tlallen stats?”

He said nothing about karma. You’re once again stating untruths to support your false narrative. Just for the record I totally agree with his comment. To openly wish a deadly virus on anyone is despicable. To laugh and find humor in another person’s misfortune is a sign of a very small person.

I sincerely hope that “karma” won’t find it’s way to you.

Earnie

LovePhilly
  5/9/2020 21:49 EST

Earnest, Tom, Allen, you just can't communicate with these people. You might as well turn around and talk to the wall.

DavaoDelSur1
  5/9/2020 22:54 EST

Earnie your reading too much into my narrative about Karma. I was talking in general not specifically about one person.
Your Trumpers are something, you have amnesia when it suits your arguments.
In Benghazi a few Americans died and you all wanted Hillary's scalp. When literally thousands of Americans are dying from COVID-19 due to Trump's incompetence and you all flip the script in your twisted minds and give him a pass or blame others.
Your the hypocrites party as far as I'm concerned. You all pretend to care about the National debt till a Republican President is in office. Say your the moral majority and support a president without morals. Say your for law and order an elect a con man. Say your more patriotic and vote for a draft evader who denigrates war heroes. Say you support the Constitution and support Trump who shreads it.
Your so for owning the Libs you lost all self respect. Which you then turn into hate towards your political opponents.

LarryKar
  5/10/2020 00:51 EST

Earnestndeavor Do not ever attempt to judge my level of compassion. If i " snicker " at a foolish woman so constricted by her not wanting to upset her husbands Boss in his foolish total abscence of common sense then I will snicker all day long. The entire inner circle of this Administration would let you die just as as well. Trump knew in November that something was brewing. He would not even read the manuals that had the experiance of at least the last three Administrations given. But i know i'm wasting my time with you.

Earnestndeavor
  5/10/2020 01:08 EST

DDS1-

“When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers”
Socrates

Your entire post was unadulterated bovine excrement.

Earnie

DavaoDelSur1
  5/10/2020 02:36 EST

Too bad you clowns can't respond in a logical defense instead of a few pathetic words. I understand why, there is no logical defense of the childish tyrant you support. It must be humiliating to let such a small man represent your character.
It's a sorry state that your once proud party has become. Enjoy the death throes of your woeful political party. While your narcissistic hero Trump is vanquished by a virus.

Earnestndeavor
  5/10/2020 04:05 EST

Love, you nailed it. They don’t want to discuss, they want to make everyone as miserable as they are. Sad individuals or trolls or both. Whichever I will no longer engage them directly. I enjoy a good discussion with folks of different opinions than mine but not fakes. They offer nothing of value to the forum and are only here to mock and spread their hatred. I don’t know what the current slang is but in my youth we called them PUNKS.

Keep up the great post as I enjoy them.
Earnie

tombalita1
  5/10/2020 08:18 EST

Larry writes: Miller's wife ok i did snicker a bit.--- Of course you would snicker. Anyone remotely associated with the President is fair game given the Trump hater that you are. Trump 2020.

Tom

DavaoDelSur1
  5/10/2020 18:21 EST

You can call us punks but at least we're not useful idiots to Putin like Trumpers are. Trump himself is being blackmailed by Russia,

onememphisdude
  5/10/2020 18:25 EST

TDS....in full bloom.

LarryKar
  5/10/2020 19:10 EST

onememphisdude "TDS....In full bloom" Yep the traditional cry of all Trumpers when there is no logical way to defend the total lack of any redeeming value in your Dear Leader. If not so tragic it would be funny.

markrf
  5/10/2020 20:39 EST

DDS, ummm...this is a parody, right?

Tsmslf
  5/10/2020 22:29 EST

DDS 1: Unless you have proof, you are a liar, spreading fertilizer.

If you have no proof, get off this board which can handle opinions but all of us despise liars.

Put up or shut up.

tlallen59
  5/11/2020 05:22 EST

CNN talking point pro's. I can't really blame them with the candidate they are putting forward. They can't spew enough trash to cover his ass.

coach53
  5/11/2020 06:49 EST

"Trump himself is being blackmailed by Russia,"
Not blackmailed but want to be buddy? :)


Long (?) before Trump became president he was very eager to get permit to build a Trump tower in Moscow and wanted very much to meet Putin (but Putin didn't come).

Source:
My memory :) According to a documentary about Trump, I believe made long before he went into politics.

Tsmslf
  5/11/2020 08:30 EST

Coach:

So what?

A businessman wants to meet a politician to make a deal. Happens in DC and everywhere else in the world every day.

That's your proof of what?

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 08:38 EST

Coach,

I guess that explains Trumps tougher than Obama sanctions on Russia.

Tom

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 08:47 EST

tlallen, you're gonna love this. It's from 6 days ago on Twitter. It pretty much tells the story and I would say another reason Democrats are pushing keeping the economy shut down while telling everyone they're all about protecting the public. ------"Joe Biden is at his best when he’s neither speaking nor appearing in public. Will his campaign have to abandon its most effective strategy?"

Tom

coach53
  5/11/2020 11:13 EST

"A businessman wants to meet a politician to make a deal."
Well. Some businessmen do deals even with the devil,
while some other businessmen with morale don't do deals which we don't find ok...

- -
I guess "that" refer to what happened when Trump tried to meet Putin and tried to get permit to build a Trump tower in Moscow.
"I guess that explains Trumps tougher than Obama sanctions on Russia."
That's expected,, because Trump got "No" which I suppouse made him pissed :)

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 11:55 EST

Nice try Coach, but no cigar!!

Tom

coach53
  5/11/2020 13:30 EST

"Nice try Coach, but no cigar!!"
How do you manage to make that to make sence in difference from my coment...? :D

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 13:51 EST

Coach, it's an American idiom taken from the British idiom of Close but no cigar. The meaning being that you're close in your assessment of the situation, but not completely correct and therefore not correct at all. ----And that pretty much explains the Trump-Russia accusations, a lot of B.S. . . . . . Tom

DavaoDelSur1
  5/11/2020 16:28 EST

There will come a day when all Trump's bs, lies, more unlawful acts, and traitorous behavior comes to a light. But when it does I expect very few MAGA's to own up to their own delusional support. When it comes to politics, Trump supporters are either very gullible, morally bankrupt or just plain dumb. When it does don't blame misleading News like FOX and even worse OAN .

DavaoDelSur1
  5/11/2020 16:34 EST

Tsmslf your are a legal quack. There is plenty of proof, but you MAGA's are like the mid 90's OJ jury. Its doesn't matter the evidence shown, you will just ignore it and come out will some "alternative facts".

coach53
  5/11/2020 17:09 EST

tombalita
"you're close in your assessment of the situation, but not completely correct and therefore not correct at all. ----And that pretty much explains the Trump-Russia accusations, a lot of B.S"
Oh do you mean you think of abdicate as the B S talking king? :D

As often you write very fuzzy. Do you mean Trump didn't got pissed when he didn't got the permit and Putin ignored him? :D

onememphisdude
  5/11/2020 18:11 EST

...and 'the O.J. jury, as was absolutely correct in its ruling. It is not incumbent upon the defense to prove innocence. the prosecution must prove, 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' Our system of justice purposefully offers weight to the presumption of innocence to a person charged with a criminal offence. The alternative is in many Muslim countries. (i.e. 3 people say they saw you shoplift...you end up missing a hand)

LarryKar
  5/11/2020 18:24 EST

tombalita1 Trump 101. Start trouble with Russia, NKor, Iran, then right before the pot boils over jump in and say, "I'm the only one that can fix this." Trouble today is CV-19 does not abide fools. See what happens?

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 19:03 EST

Yes, we'll see.

Tsmslf
  5/11/2020 19:13 EST

You meant "you're", not "your", Dummy.

Your evidence is like that of Adam Schiff who, on TV interviews which I saw replayed often, said he had seen mucho evidence against Trump but failed to produce it at impeachment or Mueller time. He lied too. It's congenital with him.

You TDS folks are big accusers but rarely have evidence. That's generally known as lying. If you didn't have the lying media with you, it would be a different and better country where most states would vote like Idaho or Texas.

As for legal quackery, if you have a legal argument of some kind, put it forth. We'll see how it stands up. I'm not sure but don't think you're a lawyer thus it's unlikely you have any serious qualifications to know such quackery if you saw it. However, to liars like you, it doesn't matter. You repeat whatever you read in the papers or hear on the Clinton News Network.
You know, don't you, that the "dossier" was paid for by Mrs. Clinton and the Democratic National Committee. More TDS evidence fertilizer.

And this fish rots from the head. Recall that you can keep your doctor or health plan if you want?

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 19:28 EST

Coach: Do you mean Trump didn't got pissed when he didn't got the permit and Putin ignored him?---- It's well reported that Trump had aspirations to build a Trump Moscow Hotel. And as with every venture undertaken there, the Russian government will be involved. So what?? ----- Trump has been vindicated. For all the months of the Muller probe with all the Hillary supporter, Trump hating attorneys trying to find a Trump-Russian connection, they found Zilch. Case closed Coach!

mattinnorfolk
  5/11/2020 19:45 EST

Moderator: I am incredibly offended by this comment by DavaoDelSur: "When it comes to politics, Trump supporters are either very gullible, morally bankrupt or just plain dumb" . Maybe I am all three! Offensive personal attacks like this cannot be justified, and I am asking he be expelled from this forum. This is in the basic forum rules of conduct, and should not be tolerated. This is how major personal and offensive attacks begin.

onememphisdude
  5/11/2020 19:51 EST

Ditto.

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 19:55 EST

Tsmslf,

As we've found out from the recently declassified documents, General Flynn was set up by corrupt Comey. It's amazing that under oath, Susan Rice, James Clapper, Ben Rhodes, Samantha Powers and a slew of Obama staffers all said they had seen no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. Yet they went on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS and said there was a connection. ---- Now that the transcripts of Schiff's committee, it shows nothing also, yet Schiff came on TV every day saying there was Russian collusion. ----My conclusion;
All the Obama disciples and some on this thread suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 20:04 EST

He would not even read the manuals that had the experience of at least the last three Administrations given. ----- Yes, I was impressed with all the Personal Protective Equipment that the last three administrations had accumulated. NOT!!

tombalita1
  5/11/2020 20:05 EST

Ditto

Tsmslf
  5/11/2020 20:44 EST

Matt, I disagree as those comments are general to a class rather than personalized to an individual. And I also think it's ok to personally criticize someone for a specific reason pertinent to a post. We're not juniors here and can take whatever's thrown.

The administrators can decide whatever they want as to what is permitted as this is a private not a government publication so the 1st amendment is not as strongly applied. That said, I think it is fair dinkum to roundly criticize whatever you want in any logical manner sans racial, ethnic or similar overtones. As a snob, I laugh at the illiterates who post here. They're persistent in their ignorance of language. Were I the admin, I might banish them for such blatant stupidity.

You know who they are don't you or do you need some coaching?

DavaoDelSur1
  5/11/2020 20:54 EST

I forgot to add non original thinkers and crybabies to my list.

mattinnorfolk
  5/11/2020 21:05 EST

No TSM, Sadly the forum is down to 8-10 active members, so I can figure out who the moron's are, but thanks.

LarryKar
  5/12/2020 01:25 EST

Tom how do any of us know what was actually in the Mueller Report? First Barr jumped and told us his version of what we should believe then released a redacted version. To my knowledge no one outside of a very select few have ever seen the complete unredacted report. If i am wrong please direct me to where it can be found.

tlallen59
  5/12/2020 05:36 EST

Mega dittos to all of the facts presented. As usual it is met with orange man bad supported by deplorable's and non original thinkers and crybabies. Expect nothing less from people that think CNN and NBC have investigative reporters working for them and eat up everything they are told. Sheeple that think its OK to entrap people and try to get them to turn on the President of the United States. Sad really.

Earnestndeavor
  5/12/2020 06:53 EST

TLA-

Right there with you! Gonna be fun come November. Wonder who they will blame this time.
I’ll admit now I’ll be one of the millions responsible.
MAGA 2020

Earnie

coach53
  5/12/2020 07:34 EST

tombalita
"Coach: Do you mean Trump didn't got pissed when he didn't got the permit and Putin ignored him?"
Of course NOT.
I asked sarcastly if YOU ment that :D because you claimed my conclusion is wrong WITHOUT telling what YOU claim is wrong with what I wrote...

tombalita1
  5/12/2020 08:07 EST

Coach, I'm not going to change your mind. You're entitled to your opinion.
----Tom

tombalita1
  5/12/2020 08:29 EST

Larry,
You're not wrong. Only a select few have seen the unredacted Muller Report. However, don't you think with all the Hillary supporting, Trump hating attorneys on the commission that if their was anything that would point to Trump-Russia collusion that they would not leak it? Of course they would! As far as redactions are concerned, this Buzzfeed (not a right leaning outlet) gives an overview of redactions.----https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/justice-department-clarifies-redactions-to-mueller-report

coach53
  5/12/2020 09:44 EST

Tombalita
"Coach, I'm not going to change your mind."
The problem is you tell I'm wrong, WITHOUT telling what and why!!!
You can't make me change my mind about that's CRAP arguing :)

DavaoDelSur1
  5/12/2020 10:56 EST

You MAGA's support the man who started the phrase Fake News. The one with a fake tan, fake teeth, fake hair, fake university , fake golf scores, fake successful kids, fake business success etc etc .
As of a month ago he has lied or mislead 18,000 times as president for 1170 days. In 45 years he has been involved in 3,500 lawsuits. Is this really who you think will make America great again? A fake, a fraud and a world class liar????

tombalita1
  5/12/2020 11:42 EST

Made it great once. Second times a charm!!

coach53
  5/12/2020 11:51 EST

tombalita
"Second times a charm!!"
No, your claiming I'm wrong and repeetingly not telling what and why, has never been charming haha

tombalita1
  5/12/2020 14:03 EST

Coach,

The word is repeatedly. But the post you're referring to was not an answer to your post, but the one about MAGA a second time. Your original post talked about Trump being indebted to Putin because of his desire to build a hotel in Moscow. You believe that Putin hold some kind of power over Trump because of this and I don't. A simple difference of opinion. Don't beat a dead horse!------Toom

LovePhilly
  5/12/2020 15:16 EST

When President Trump said he was gonna drain the swamp I'll be honest, I just had no idea how bit the swamp was. These coordinated efforts to undermine a Presidency from within the deep state are very scary to me. It's not just a threat to our President, it's a serious and direct threat to democracy.

DavaoDelSur1
  5/12/2020 18:35 EST

Deep state nonsense ? Man your just not naïve, but like most MAGA's borderline delusional. You believe in Trump's agenda so much that all these red flag warnings are just ignored.
How much evidence does an OJ murder jury need? None, because he's gonna walk no matter what with that jury pool. You Trumpers are in the same mental state. No amount of evidence will suffice while your in your MAGA trance.

Tsmslf
  5/12/2020 19:10 EST

More fertilizer and you talk about "no amount of evidence" when your congenital liar, Schiff for brains, still asserts there's evidence to prove the democrat's collusion charges. If that were true, the evidence would have been plastered over every paper and TV channel in the country. But you never see it as Schiff is a liar as are Schmuckie Schumer and Mrs. Pelousi and most of their fellow Dems. None of them needs money but all are still being paid for little to no work as Congress recesses on and off. Lockout means paid vacation for them.
What is your evidence? What was Mueller's evidence in his report? None and none are the answers.
As I wrote in another post, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

DavaoDelSur1
  5/12/2020 23:15 EST

Trying to prove anything to a quack lawyer is like getting a blind man to see. If a person's mind is already made up, they see what they want and ignore the obvious.

tlallen59
  5/13/2020 05:36 EST

Don't bother Tsmslf that dude's a real delusional dumb ass not worth your time and effort.

Earnestndeavor
  5/13/2020 06:01 EST

TlA - you are right again.

He has delusions of adequacy.

DavaoDelSur1
  5/13/2020 06:01 EST

Yeah and we all get to make up our collective minds this November. With the big orange meltdown, because you can't bs a virus. Expect a huge blue wave you pathetic enablers.

tlallen59
  5/13/2020 07:06 EST

After over 3 years of this crap its no wonder your such a bone head.
https://www.facebook.com/DavidJHarrisJr/videos/333071620995561/

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 07:11 EST

"they see what they want and ignore the obvious."

This is called the "Bias Trap".

All of us have Bias. It's a natural part of the human condition. There isn't anyone here without bias. That doesn't make the perspectives of all less relevant.

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 07:36 EST

I was reviewing some earlier posts on this thread and I didn't realize we had so many pilots (and former pilots) here. You guys have always been like rock stars to me. I wish I could sing like a rock star but I can't. I wish I could fly a jet but I can't. My eyesight wasn't good enough and I'm afraid of heights! lol. Anyway, that's awesome.

darkfader24
  5/13/2020 09:27 EST

President Trump’s crash program to bolster domestic production of ventilators has generated such a domestic surplus in mere weeks that the United States is now offering thousands of the life-saving machines to nations abroad as part of its global humanitarian relief effort.

Administration sources now project the number of U.S.-manufactured ventilators will surpass 100,000 by July.

To put that number in perspective, the Johns Hopkins-based Center for Health Security estimated in February that U.S. critical care facilities had only about 62,000 full-feature ventilators, with about 8,900 more stored in the National Strategic Stockpile.

There also were another 98,000 ventilators lacking full capability that could be pressed into service as needed.

National Security Adviser Robert C. O’Brien told Newsmax on Tuesday, “President Trump has organized the largest industrial mobilization since WWII, creating a domestic ventilator production capacity almost from scratch.

“Now we are sharing the products of that leadership with our partners and allies around the world,” he added, “saving thousands of lives in the process.”

Trump has been on the phone with some 30 other world leaders, offering to ship ventilators to them. The administration already has pledged to contribute over 14,000 ventilators to countries in need.

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 09:53 EST

"Will America rally around its founding values or surrender to forces of socialism, globalism, and politically correct elitism?" Pete Hegseth, "American Crusade".

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 09:58 EST

And Coach, this is in no way an insult so please don't take it as such. If you make your posts shorter and more pointed I think more people will read them.

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 10:06 EST

I'm on a roll so I'll just keep going...every election year Congress starts looking for a way to give away trillions of dollars that they don't have in an effort to try and get re-elected. This pandemic was just another excuse. We don't need government hand outs, we need our workers to go back to work. After November all this will stop and we will be 7 trillion dollars further in debt.

Gingert76
  5/13/2020 11:07 EST

Have to be honest and say i agree with this, i do not read your posts Coach as they are just too hard to read the use of CAPITAL letters at random point confuses me even more

LovePhilly
  5/13/2020 12:58 EST

Dark, that's amazing isn't it? American enterprise is so resourceful when government doesn't get in the way.

Tsmslf
  5/13/2020 13:49 EST

Ginger, he's also illiterate and too stupid to use the spell checker provided us. If you read a string of his posts, you will be struck by their illiteracy and his failure to use the checker.

Then there is the moron who calls me a "quack" lawyer without explaining just what that means or providing some example of said quackery. Of course, some of my posts have occasional legal comments none of which he has even tried to rebut because he can't. He has no qualifications to do so.

Basically, he objects to being asked to produce evidence of his claims. He doesn't because he can't. Opinions are fine but negative allegations require evidence of their truth. Sans such, they are what I term fertilizer. Someone recently posted that Trump had told 18,000 lies. There was no source for that outlandish claim and sources usually offer some credibility as to their claims. E.g., I would tend to believe Dr. Fauci rather than my internist on epidemic issues even though both are MDs.

What to do? As someone recently wrote, minds are unlikely to be changed here. Rational discussion is rare. I will likely retire to the occasional topic of interest to me in my PR journey as there is little to be gained otherwise. The illiterate and the moron will remain marinated in their ways.

O tempora, o mores. Vale Ginger et al.

coach53
  5/13/2020 16:33 EST

Tombalita
"But the post you're referring to was not an answer to your post,"
You are NOT the only one, who make reading hard by not telling who you answer... :)

"Your original post talked about Trump being indebted to Putin because of his desire to build a hotel in Moscow. "
What?! That's kind of OPPOSITE to what I said.
Trump WANTED permit to build there and wanted to meet Putin. but got neither.
I suppouse it's "common knowledge" Trump realy dislike not get what he want...

"You believe that Putin hold some kind of power over Trump"
What did you get that from??!!
I'm sure I have never said any such.
Putin HAD that power over Trump back in that OLD documentary many years ago, when Trump went to Moscow to get building permit and wished to meet Putin.

coach53
  5/13/2020 16:52 EST

"quack"
I don't know if it's as funny in English as in Swedish but in Phils there is a
Doctor Kwack medical clinic haha
(Close to the rather new airport northwest of Cagayan de Oro.)

"I didn't realize we had so many pilots (and former pilots) here. You guys have always been like rock stars to me."
:thumbs up:
Yes but it was guys as I, who kept order of the pilots :)
(But I just did the back then obligatoric military service.)

coach53
  5/13/2020 17:08 EST

"If you make your posts shorter and more pointed I think more people will read them."
I write them similar to how I want others to write WITH examples of what's said. Some people make wrong conclusions of facts. so I often write examples so everyone can judge if they have same conslusion of them as I...

If someone haven't understood sections started with " ( " or " (( " mean if you allready have understood the point, you can stop reading there :)
Read if you want, or don't...

"they are just too hard to read the use of CAPITAL letters at random point confuses me"
Definitly NOT at random. This writing function don't have any bold or italic so left is only using capital letters. How come you haven't figuered that out after I have given you answers at many of your questions? :)

coach53
  5/13/2020 17:42 EST

Tsm
(refering to me) "he's also illiterate and too stupid to use the spell checker provided us. If you read a string of his posts, you will be struck by their illiteracy and his failure to use the checker."

hahaha
I haven't read all your posts but that has to be one of your most STUPID ones...

According to a research made by a college the group who write MOST errors are we top bosses, because we know what's IMPORTANT...
So you are obviously NOT a top boss in private sector - at least not a good one :D - more likely from the public sector where they are specialists at being ineffective...

If I would be illiterate, how come then I have got these? :D
/2 books approved by publishing companies
/wonn a price in a rather big writing contest for grown ups with an essay I wrote in high school
/over 200 articles paid by newspapers.
And that's only what I have got paid for written as hobby...

As PROFESIONAL I have written many documents e g to courts and tax offices for clients and WONN a big part of the cases against officials!
THEN I use spell check... :D

If someone wonder :) I wouldn't have time to write at forums normaly, but I have now because my move to Phils is delayed and most preparings are done allready.

tombalita1
  5/13/2020 17:53 EST

Coach,

I won't bring up the cigar thing again. In fact, I'll follow the lead of others here and won't engage your insanity at all!. Goodbye Coach Fifty-three!

rebtop
  5/13/2020 18:31 EST

I have tried to stay away from most of the posts on this thread. Difficult to not respond. But the same caliber of posts are posted by the same caliber of people. Round up the usual suspects. Like the movie: Dumb and Dumber

rebtop
  5/13/2020 18:34 EST

Dark. What?.... are you making up this time?

rebtop
  5/13/2020 19:18 EST

I am having withdrawals from this group. To all of you who think POTUS is the final and most coherent authority regarding the potential threat of this Trump Pandemic, I suggest you follow his enlighten recommendations. Ingest or inject bleach or Lysol. He guaranteed this would remove the virus from your body. If it is slow acting, these disinfectants will cause holes to appear in your body. That is a good thing. Because he also said displaying light on the virus will destroy it. Now the holes that have appeared on your body will allow light to be admitted thus further destroying the virus. All good now. For all you believers, please try these techniques and report back as the efficacy of this solution.

bbazor
  5/13/2020 21:33 EST

Coach: I have been reading this forum for many years. I seldom "chime in" unless I feel that it is something of value on the subject. I tend to agree with most of the comments about your posts. We understand that English is your second language and take that into consideration. You said that you wrote a book in English. I am not saying that you are lying, but that is hard to believe. How can we acquire a copy of the book? I would really like to see it. Like others, I seldom read your posts all the way through because they are all over the place and hard to follow. Don't take this personally, it is an honest observation. If I tried to write in your language, it would be 1000% worse.

Tsmslf
  5/13/2020 22:06 EST

I was unaware that English was not Coach's native language and thus apologize for my comments.

What is Coach's native language btw?

Earnestndeavor
  5/14/2020 00:29 EST

Coach

One part of English you are apparently very familiar with is pronouns such as I and me and my.

I will join others in asking you to show us some evidence of your voluminous literary achievements. I’m sure you must have a wall full of awards and commendations.

Earnie

Gingert76
  5/14/2020 01:23 EST

but you do not need to use CAPITALS that is the point coach, adding them makes no sense so sorry but thats the last post i will read or respond to from you

LarryKar
  5/14/2020 05:09 EST

Earnestndeavor Maybe it was Coach's investigative work into the Russian scandal that won him the "Noble Prize" in journalism that so triggered Trump. One never knows on this forum. Smile

coach53
  5/14/2020 08:03 EST

Tsmslf
"I was unaware that English was not Coach's native language and thus apologize for my comments."
:thumbs up:
Apology accepted.

"What is Coach's native language btw?"
Swedish.
Back in school I could speak German fluent and Spanish enough to explain to the repairman I needed the gearbox repaired :)

It's some funny - not all - but many Americans expect others to know everything about USA while even many high educated Americans know very litle outside USA... :)
And it's remarkable how many "English-Americans" living in states with many mainly Spanish speaking people, but can't talk any Spanish!
"Si" and "una cervesa" don't count :)

coach53
  5/14/2020 08:32 EST

bbazor
"You said that you wrote a book in English. I am not saying that you are lying, but that is hard to believe. How can we acquire a copy of the book?"
I wrote a detailed answer concerning that a while ago somewhere in this forum.
It was close to 20 years ago in an American-Spanish publishing company, which sold only digital copies - much to expensive so they closed at least that website. They made the final decisions. I believe the final title was "Effective sleeping."


To people who question it:
Don't you know publishing companies and newspapers have proofreaders...? :) (Although they found just a few errors in my English book.)

1. I have told according to a college made research we top bosses write MOST spelling and grammar errors, because we bother about what's important. So when I write internal messages inside companies or in forums I don't bother about using spell check, I don't even read through before I post.
2. BUT when writing for paid publishing, THEN it's important, so THEN I "proofread" myself. haha before sending.

coach53
  5/14/2020 08:42 EST

Ginger
"you do not need to use CAPITALS that is the point coach, adding them makes no sense"
I have explained at a 10yo level I do that because there are no bold or italic functions available in the writing here. I can't help if you don't even understand at that level... :)

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tombalita
"I'll follow the lead of others here and won't engage your insanity at all!"
hahaha
I'm used to less inteligent people find my thinking idiotic - until they see the results :D
E g once my "crazy" ideas were found idiotic by almost everyone and laught at - until they made my club came to the elite very fast. Later the Swedish Chess Federation started to RECOMEND some of my "crazy" exersise methods... haha

coach53
  5/14/2020 09:16 EST

Earnest
"I will join others in asking you to show us some evidence of your voluminous literary achievements."
I have given a - long :) - answer to that a while ago.
I don't count it as voluminous compared to other things I have done :D
Writing is just a hobby, which I have got pay for.
Btw - the whole pay I got for the other book than the one in English. I gave to a Help-to-self-help charity organisation.

"I’m sure you must have a wall full of awards and commendations."
Well. I have got a lot of awards, but I have them in boxes :) somewhere if I have them still. I threw away a lot of things when I emptied my house in Sweden.
I DON'T BOTHER much about awards, I like NEW CHALLENGES. Writing a by publishing company aproved book were just one at my challenges "to do" list :)
My writings for newspapers started by they wrote so many FACT errors about my sport club when we started to become good, so I started to write and send READY text for articles except ingress and headline so the newspaper people felt they did something themselves :) Then the main newspaper there asked me if I could cover the whole subject in the county. I accepted because almost all were about my club anyway :) by we dominated the county rather soon..

Journalist writings get rewards very seldom other than the paycheck :)
I got an award in the writing contest I mensioned, and got paid too when they published that essay.
Mainly I have got many awards in sports both as player, playing coach and as leader. (E g when I had made so my teams came both 2:nd and 5:nd in the national championship at the same time, B-teams were allowed to compeete against other clubs' first teams too. I left to an other club the season after and then they didn't even manage to qualify... One year later I had made my new club top ten in Sweden allready. Back then it was the third bigest sport in Sweden.)

And that's just some examples :)

tombalita1
  5/14/2020 09:42 EST

Coach writes: And it's remarkable how many "English-Americans" living in states with many mainly Spanish speaking people, but can't talk any Spanish! ---- Remarkable how many Spanish speakers we've let into the country that don't speak English! It's MY COUNTRY COACH, I'LL CAPITALIZE FOR EMPHASIS!! Ano? Sabi mo? I can't hear you. You're in Philippines, Tagalog ka ba? Cebuano? Kontilang only??? YOU HYPOCRIT !!! --- TOM, A PROUND ENGISH SPEAKING AMERICAN, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT coach53.
Tom

coach53
  5/15/2020 06:45 EST

tombalita
Didn't you say you wouldn't participate anymore in my insanity? :D

"It's MY COUNTRY"
USA did think that about the Philippines too when having it as a colony... :)

"YOU HYPOCRIT"
I have no chance to be counted as hypocryt compared to what USA has done hahaha
E g claiming "Fighting for democracy" when it's about more POWER for USA...
USA supporting several DICTATORS. E g Saddam Hussein...
And USA supported the Chileanian military junta dictators AGAINST the democratic elected government...

"You're in Philippines"
No I'm not. My move there is delayed.

"Tagalog ka ba? Cebuano?"
I haven't study any yet, because I plan to only study the main LOCAL language where I will settle. There are several different by there are sectors where "immingrants" from other islands are dominating.
BUT without starting study yet, I know some, and I understand more than I can speak by rather many words are from Spanish, which I can better.
I even know the difference between tabi ng and malapit !!! :)

And more important I know more about Phil provinces than most richer part of Manila FILIPPINOS do. Although that's easy because most of them know almost nothing :)

tombalita1
  5/15/2020 08:01 EST

coach53: DELETE

LarryKar
  5/15/2020 08:03 EST

Coach: You said, " And more important I know more about Phil provinces than most richer part of Manila FILIPPINOS do. Although that's easy because most of them know almost nothing :)"
You are not going to do well in the Philippines unless you curb that attitude real quick. Take that as you wish my only concern is that we are all Kanos here no matter if you are Canadian, Swedish, German, USA. What one does or the impression you make reflects on us all.

tlallen59
  5/15/2020 12:54 EST

My favorite key Tom.

tlallen59
  5/15/2020 12:57 EST

Larrykar had good advise coach. Take what he said to heart.

Earnestndeavor
  5/16/2020 01:19 EST

I am aware of the delete and ignore sentiments and I agree. However as an American I cannot allow the constant attacks on America to go unanswered. So let’s take a look at Sweden’s roll in world affairs and who they backed.
Despite it’s “official” policy of “ non- belligerency” more than 8000 Swedes volunteered to fight with Germany with many becoming members of the German Waffen-ss. Some 40% of Sweden’s exports went to Germany. Most notable of which was iron-ore used by Germany for weapons production. Many historians believe that without this critical iron-ore the war would have ended much sooner saving countless lives. In 1941 Sweden completely abandoned it’s “Non belligerency” policy allowing Germany to transport it’s soldiers across Sweden via Swedish trains to fight the allies.

Today Sweden is basically a forest masquerading as a country. And America just keeps on WINNING, WINNING, WINNING..

In closing I say if he does come to the Philippines he will last about as long as a bowl of rice at a Sunday bar-b-que.

Earnie

coach53
  5/16/2020 07:32 EST

LarryKar
"What one does or the impression you make reflects on us all."
Yes. But telling truths in forums isn't the same as telling truths in place :)
I have told my gf allready a long time ago I better shut up when I live in Phils. Left to see if I will manage :) Swedes are known for protesting.. That's why Sweden have much less corruption than e g USA...

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Earnest
"However as an American I cannot allow the constant attacks on America to go unanswered."
I ONLY do that when someone try to tell FALSE about how fantastic USA have acted towards the world. Then I tell FACTS why that's false. Do you claim anything I told about USA isn't true? :)

"Many historians believe that without this critical iron-ore the war would have ended much sooner"
They are wrong because Germany would have taken Sweden in a "coffee break" otherwice anyway and got the iron mines for free.

YOU are CORECT concerning Sweden during WW II - partly. Also among Swedes there are different oppinions about if it was coward or clever :)
History show how FAST Germany took Denmark and Norway. Sweden were a historical "superpower" but got tired of wars, and were used to be neutral in all wars since 1809, so we had very WEAK military when WW II started. So Sweden chosed between
/been taken fast too and then would Germany got what they demanded from Sweden for FREE anyway.
/or agree to iron export and let transports through.
By doing the later Sweden got chance to ASSIST mainly Norway. E g:
/Norwegian guerila could rest in Sweden without Germans could bother them, between the attacks and there were military training camps here too for the guerila.
/The saboteaurs, which halted the German atom bomb, by blowing up the heavy water production in Norway, could get away to Sweden.
/Sabotages against Germany were done INSIDE Sweden too. A train set with ammunition ment for Germany in Norway were blown up close to where I live now.

It was a SWEDE, who made the world got to know about the Nazi "emilination factories" by smuggling out evidience...
Roul Wallenberg is common knowledge known for his savings of many people from being murdered some later during the war in such camps, but this was an other Swede, who hasn't got the credit he is worth. Very few Swedes know of him and I have forgot his name.

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Don't forget Swedes have been chosen to importantant assignments to try to END wars by e g mediating,
and to solve unfairnesses after wars. E g one of my friends have had several assignments for UN to recover the justice system after civil wars. He was offered to come to Phils too to make a plan to protect poor Filipinos against the rich, but he said No thanks to that because he wanted to stay in Sweden with his toddler daughter. ("Ombudsman" Phils have is a Swedish invention and word.)

"In closing I say if he does come to the Philippines he will last about as long as a bowl of rice"
Yes, if I say things in place, because in Phils it's dangerous to tell TRUTHS... :)

coach53
  5/16/2020 07:43 EST

Earnest
"Today Sweden is basically a forest masquerading as a country. And America just keeps on WINNING, WINNING, WINNING.."
Yes. By supporting dictators when it suit USA. .. :)

USA didn't winn the Korea war
and LOST the Viet-Nam war...

A very UGLY thing was done by USA during Georg Bush senior. USA told the kurds and the sunni in Iraq to revolt against Saddam Husein but then they didn't get access useful weapons!!! Hard to fight with old rifles against Saddam Husein's modern strong army made by AMERICAN money...

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tombalita
Your answer show you don't have any GOOD answer... haha

surfingcebu
  5/16/2020 09:59 EST

Coach, one has to remember the USA keeps the balance and , indirectly keeps your Sweden free. Paradoxically, no economist or sociologist or poly-science Phd would say differently.

Left unchecked, unbridled communism CCP THUGS or Russian oligarchy, or Mid East dynasties would swallow the world .

JUST ONE MANS POINT OF VIEW- mine....After reading volumes of sociology and political science.

Take care guys. Wishing you guys peace and happiness this week, life is better with it .

Surf .

tombalita1
  5/16/2020 10:17 EST

coach53

ACEPoolPlayer
  5/16/2020 12:28 EST

Surfer,
I've travelled many parts of the globe and there is a lot of anti U.S. sentiment throughout the world. I'm proud to be a born and raised American but sometimes it's a little embarrassing because of this sentiment. You are 100% correct, many of the things people blame the U.S. for are necessary to keep the worldwide balance. If anything they do a better and fairer job with that power than Russia or China might do if they were given the opportunity. It's not easy to be the leading super power. I hope everyone wakes up before we find out what life would be like with China controlling the world. I don't have the hatred of China that you have but I probably know China as well as anyone. The future with China does worry me.

tombalita1
  5/16/2020 12:36 EST

Surf, there are exceptions of course, but what we usually ask for is a place to bury our dead in the land that we liberated. The cemetary at Normandy is full of U.S., Canadian, British and other allies that fought to make sure the Scandinavian countries first language is their own and not Deutsch.—-//Tom

surfingcebu
  5/16/2020 13:23 EST

Ace and gang, yes your right. It’s a hard job being the keeper of the free. Expensive too with the military you must have to defend world democracy. Easier being a thug in China or Venezuela . HA!

The USA does not get the credit it deserves. I’m Canadian BTW.

coach53
  5/17/2020 07:25 EST

ACE
"I've travelled many parts of the globe and there is a lot of anti U.S. sentiment throughout the world."
USA did a very GOOD job during WW II, but after that USA has screwed up a lot among Americans "in the name of democrazy" but the truth is it's just for more power to USA. Because why have USA supported several dictators otherwize...?

Georg W Bush made a very STUPID speech before in the startup of the second war against Iraq. I noticed direct when I heared the speech. As I thought before the speech many FRIENDLY muslims interpreted that speech as USA started a RELIGIOUS war against MUSLIMS...
Result: Many earlier friendly/neutral muslims have became muslim terrorists. Mainly against USA but against other countries too including Sweden where almost no one bother about religion. Before that Bush speech Sweden had never any muslim terrorist attack, but after there has been some.
Many Americans got very supprised at 9/11 at USA got attacked at all, thinking USA allways do good. Obvious not. The METHOD was suprising for Europeans but NOT suprised at USA got attacked by the many unfairnesses USA have done/supported e g supporting Saddam Husein terrorising Iraqians with AMERICAN money.

"Russia"
Well. Russia isn't communistic anymore, it's some crap close to dictatorship supporting oligarcs.
Russia is much less strong now anyway than Sovjet was. They haven't even wonn the war in Ukraine.

"China"
The communism there have been much modified. Big part of the business part is more as capitalism :)

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surfingcebu
"Coach, one has to remember the USA keeps the balance and , indirectly keeps your Sweden free."
Free from what? :)
Perhaps it was true back during "Cold war". Back then Sweden had the military strategy to be strong enough to not be worth conquering :) NOT expecting to have any chance to avoid losing a war against Sovjet but prepared to become a pain in Sovjet's ass by big part of the citizens ready to become guerila soldiers. There were many weapon depots spread all over Sweden to arm the guerila. (Back then there were no heat cameras and here are many forests for guerila groups to hide in :)

"Paradoxically, no economist or sociologist or poly-science Phd would say differently."
Is any not American such asked? :)

coach53
  5/17/2020 07:45 EST

NOTE!
I CRITICIZE SWEDEN a lot too. Only this year I have made almost ten OFFICIAL hard complaints against how things are handled in Sweden WITHOUT any of them are about covid because many others do that.
But such I do in OTHER forums where there are Swedes reading :)
(E g there are former skinhead New-nazis in disguise, who has fooled people by let their hair grow and put on suits. So now they are in parlament by to many people are easy fooled, but all other political parties refuse to cooperate with them.)

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surfingcebu
"to defend world democracy."
That don't become true be repeeting it
:)
That statement is the HUGE error in thinking, which make missing understanding of how people elsewhere see at USA nowadays.

USA is OBVIOUSLY NOT defending democrazy. It's PROVEN by the USA supportings of dictators when it suit USA geting more POWER... USA even supported Chilie military junta dictators to TAKE the power from the DEMOCRATIC elected government!!!

surfingcebu
  5/17/2020 10:41 EST

Coach , I respect you being a Sweden citizen ; let me say this .

Dont get me wrong , the USA has made Huge errors in their foreign policy . Just Huge !
Many countries see the USA as the evil one too - you're completely right . ! This attitude is helped along by government back media and the UN and the WHO , etc ... I was in France about 2.5 years ago, and I was amazed how the USA and Canada too was demonized! I could not get out od there soon enough !
yes the USA is not perfect nor its policies AND it get demonized by special interest press , BUT I think its are only hope . Is Belguim, Sweden( with its terrible Mid East immigration problems) , France ,China, Russia, Brazil, or Italy going to speak up and enforce democracy for the world ? Somehow I think not . We are stuck with a huge military , freedom loving country called the USA . Thank god for that ! Without them - it would be a changed world . The world is a tough thing to keep moving forward . Tough job being the only country that speaks up for people who cannot . Just ask any Chinese or even Italian citizen where they would like to live most ...its usually the USA or Canada ( im always shocked at this in the case of Italy, not at China's citizens )

As always Coach , I respect yoru opinion !

Surf !!

ACEPoolPlayer
  5/17/2020 10:48 EST

Coach,
This is probably a waste of time but it seems your agenda is to criticize everyone and everything. So friendly Muslims attached Sweden because of GW Bush's speech? Innocent Sweden who doesn't have any religious problems gets attached because of Bush? It's America's fault!! Radicalized Muslims were forced to attach innocent Sweden.... For the business genius former great athlete that you claim to be, many of your post are long and ignorant.

tombalita1
  5/17/2020 12:24 EST

Surf,

Echo all that you said in that great post.
As much as we are criticized, even by our own liberal media, where does the rest of the world want to immigrate to?
Answer: North America! ---- Tom

Earnestndeavor
  5/17/2020 20:38 EST

“ Coach, This is probably a waste of time but it seems your agenda is to criticize everyone and everything.”

Ace, I completely agree with your entire post.

Earnie

zackywhacky
  5/18/2020 02:50 EST

America got a president it deserves and wanted, as he won an election.

He will probably win the next election.

onememphisdude
  5/18/2020 09:18 EST

...and America has the right person in charge to weather the storm. (Thank God)

tombalita1
  5/18/2020 10:08 EST

onememphisdude writes: ...and America has the right person in charge to weather the storm. (Thank God) -----
Thank God & Amen! I can only imagine Beijing Biden in charge. A doomsday scenario! --- Tom

coach53
  5/18/2020 14:05 EST

surfingcebu
"USA has made Huge errors in their foreign policy "
Exactly.

"I was amazed how the USA and Canada too was demonized"
Canada?
I'm amazed how Americans can be amazed :) and suprised after how terrible USA has acted several times!!!

"demonized by special interest press "
WHAT?! What I have written are "common knowledge" FACTS, in big part of the world, while many Americans deny them!!!
How come? Haven't American news told them?

I PERSONALY know a bunch of the Chilenian victims, that's NOT from any press... I mean them, who survived. Some of them have relatives murdered by the Chile military junta assisted by USA...

"speak up and enforce democracy for the world ?"
But that's the huge ERROR in your thinking. USA is NOT fighting for democrazy, it's fighting for more POWER to USA. PROVEN by USA supportings of DICTATORS. How manage Americans to deny that???!!(

"Sweden( with its terrible Mid East immigration problems"
You are corect. That's among what I criticize in forums with Swedes. No point I criticize it here where no Swedes read it :)

coach53
  5/18/2020 14:16 EST

ACE
"This is probably a waste of time but it seems your agenda is to criticize everyone and everything."
Only them who deserve it :)

"So friendly Muslims attached Sweden because of GW Bush's speech?"
As I said Georg W Bush made Iraq war to a religious war by his STUPID spech, which made many more muslims become terrorists. Sweden got involved by doing some work for UN in the mess in Afganistan.

Are you among them who claim USA fight for democrazy?
If so. how do you explain USA has supported a bunch of dictators?

coach53
  5/18/2020 14:31 EST

tombalita
"where does the rest of the world want to immigrate to?
Answer: North America!"
Well. North America isn't same as USA. Concerning USA there are some selfish carrierists or wannabe movie stars/rich married, who want that.
E g one in the Swedish "Hollywood wifes" TV serie is from my neighbourhood. She told she move to USA to marry rich - and did soon haha

Beside such I haven't heared of any Swedes wanting to emmigrate to USA. I have heared Canada, Australia, but mainly Thailand and the Philippines...

ACEPoolPlayer
  5/18/2020 14:43 EST

Coach,
Being a highly educated person I assume you don't mind me correcting your English. I know if I were saying something wrong in Swedish or writing something incorrectly, I'd appreciate being corrected so I didn't always repeat the same mistakes. George (not Georg) is the correct spelling and speech (not spech) is correct.

tombalita1
  5/18/2020 18:57 EST

coach53

DavaoDelSur1
  5/18/2020 21:04 EST

If you think Trump is really taking Hydroxychloroquine, You need to look up gullible in the dictionary.

surfingcebu
  5/18/2020 21:36 EST

Coach - other than the USA you is going to help with your democracy and freedom ? France? Venezuela, Sweden, Germany, Honduras ? , how about Russia or Communist China ?

See my point ? The USA is on our side .... cant you see any other option?

LarryKar
  5/19/2020 02:33 EST

DavaoDelSur1 Of course its very doubtful he is taking it. Why would a guy like him take a drug for something that is just a Democratic Hoax? At the big Camp David meeting this was cooked up to distract from the tanking economy, his dismal poll numbers , and abysmal failure to have any real plan to combat the Pandemic.

coach53
  5/19/2020 06:48 EST

A simple question, which all pro USA have jumped to answer several times now:

If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

(As FOR INSTANCE Saddam Hussein, Marcos, Chile military junta...)

coach53
  5/19/2020 06:53 EST

surfingcebu
"other than the USA you is going to help with your democracy and freedom ?"
You have been FOOLED by USA propaganda :) USA DON'T fight for democrazy they fight to get more power for USA...

I don't believe e g the DEMOCRATIC Chilenians agree with you :)

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ACE
"George (not Georg) is the correct spelling and speech (not spech) is correct."
Well. There are both spellings of the name depending of which person. I don't bother about such an idiot as George W Bush, who started a religious war by his stupid speech, spell his name :)
Concerning "speech" I knew it's spelled like that. I have explained earlier we top bosses don't bother about spelling, we bother about what's important...

LovePhilly
  5/19/2020 08:19 EST

Here is what really gets me. American taxpayers spend billions on defense. That's where most of our money goes. All of us don't have health care while other nations brag about theirs because WE pay to defend them. Then they talk crap about the U.S.A. I'm happy President Trump is putting an end to this crap. Coach, you can sell your Saabs and Volvo's to someone else.

gypsyquokka
  5/19/2020 09:37 EST

Lovephi wrote "All of us don't have health care while other nations brag about theirs because WE pay to defend them." WE as in USA? NOT likely - other countries show concern about citizens and not so interested in bigger profits for pharmaceutical and insurance companies. CHECK your info, but i guess that's difficult for hillbillies like yourself to read. Your mate carrot top has and will not do anything for anybody unless he sees profit for himself - first. Like Covid 19, he is only interested in making cash for himself and could care less what the daily death tolls are. Smile

tlallen59
  5/19/2020 13:25 EST

You ass hats run your mouths and condone crap like this and your #metoo candidate. Stick it where the sun don't shine. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=269583110760878

NeutralPatriot
  5/19/2020 15:10 EST

I've been watching this thread of posts for the last month or so. Finally decided to wade in on an observation: it sounds like every other pissing contest on the internet here in the states. The country is tearing itself down while this asinine civil war goes on between fanatic conservatives and fanatic liberals. Both sides are so entrenched in their bunkers that nothing gets in there - both sides are intent on tearing apart our foundational history of Constitution and cultural beliefs - both sides believe they are the keepers and defenders of those things - both sides have their fanatic heads up their fannies. There is a large part of the country, about 1/3 by some estimates (i.e., around 100 million people), who are simply not aligned with either side just because that side exists. They prefer to gravitate toward what is true - regardless of source - meaning there are facts, and not whining opinion to back the assertion of truth. They are looking for actual policy and initiatives that will help the country, not hissy fits, brain dead stupid conspiracy theories, and accusation tearing down anything that comes from "the other side" - regardless of its value. In short, as an old retired Marine, I'm increasingly embarrassed by my countrymen. For the next election, the entrenched fanatics are going to vote exactly as predicted and as directed to by their preferred mentors - and all the yammering in the world isn't going to change a single one of them. The election will go one way or the other on the simple basis of where that big chunk of fellow disgusted Americans decides they see the most benefit to the country.

LovePhilly
  5/19/2020 15:33 EST

Gypsy, you wouldn't call me names if you were standing in front of me.

LovePhilly
  5/19/2020 22:06 EST

Well NeutralPatriot, I believe your assessment is accurate however, you either believe in killing babies or you don't, You either believe in guns or you don't. You either believe in the values our nation was founded upon or you don't. So sure, there are many mindless people among us that simply don't have a thought. Their votes count also.

Earnestndeavor
  5/19/2020 22:09 EST

TL- their “ #metoo candidate.“ has become their “#move on” candidate.

Earnie

gelynch52ph
  5/19/2020 22:28 EST

I'm a late comer to this "conversation," but when someone says, "you wouldn't call me names if you were standing in front of me," I have to think that some threats were issued.

The thread is so long that it is impossible to find the statements and threats. However, I take threats seriously and anyone who wants to threaten ME, can PM me and I'll gladly supply my physical address.

LovePhilly
  5/19/2020 22:32 EST

Oh and just one other thought Gypsy, do you know who will develop the cure to this virus? Yes. America will. Do you know why? It's because our scientists are working extremely hard. Do you know why they are? It's because they know they will be rewarded financially. It's called capitalism. Those that perform get rewarded. Watch and see if Russia develops a cure. Watch and see if China develops a cure. Oh Coach, watch and see if Sweden develops a cure. Hahahahahaha. America will again do it. Just watch.

NeutralPatriot
  5/19/2020 23:10 EST

Actually, I have some pretty strong beliefs. I try to base them on thought and facts instead of blind focus. If all you know is what your "side" tells you, then at any given moment you possess about half the information you need to make a actual informed decision. In other words, if you summarily reject an idea not on the basis of it's value, but simply on the basis of where it came from, you stay fundamentally ignorant of a large piece of the puzzle. Our country has thrived on over 200 years of working out opposing views for the greater good of the whole country. Of late, there seems to be a lot of people willing to throw their country under the bus so they can jump up and shout "we win...and only our little niche counts", even if it's a minority position. So I don't object to the strongly held beliefs - I object to the blinders-on fanatacism that wants to believe 200 million of your fellow Americans actually hate their country and are trying to destroy it. You've lost touch of the fact you're part of larger thing called the United States of America - not the (fill in the name) Society of Only People Who Believe What I Think.

Earnestndeavor
  5/19/2020 23:18 EST

“ Gypsy, you wouldn't call me names if you were standing in front of me.”

Of course not Love, they’re ”keyboard kowards”. They are a real bad ass Sitting in their basement beating the crap out of their keyboard but would not dare to confront another MAN with such comments.

Earnie

Earnestndeavor
  5/19/2020 23:37 EST

NeutralPatriot-
Some express their convictions while others sit on the fence. That’s the greatness of America and I wouldn’t want it any other way.

Earnie

DavaoDelSur1
  5/20/2020 00:33 EST

LovePhilly says he believes in the values this Country was founded upon. The USA. If that's true how do you square that with Donald J Trump? Or do you make allowances and compromise?
Neutral Patriot stands on the sideline feeling superior in his apathy.

coach53
  5/20/2020 03:31 EST

LovePhilly
You and some others "forgot" to answer :)
If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

"American taxpayers spend billions on defense. "
No American taxpayers spend billions at ATTACKS... :)

(Sweden was an attacking superpower until Karl XII made Sweden tired of wars. 1718 is the latest where Sweden have been the ATTACKER, besides when being forced to when being in alliances and follow ups of other's attacks at Sweden.)
The last 200 years Sweden have stayed out of wars. (Except for UN trying to keep peaces.)

"Coach, you can sell your Saabs and Volvo's to someone else."
These COMPANIES are sold to Belgium (?) and China years ago :)

gypsyquokka
  5/20/2020 04:04 EST

lovephi = Why would I want to stand in front of you??? There would not be a single word that you would understand. I have never had time for people / kids like you. Fools and hill-billies are best avoided. IF you can string words into a legible sentence - maybe you would get an educated reply. Always banging your chest on here like you have all the answers. WHY not try a civil approach to members on this Forum site? HuH - Smile

coach53
  5/20/2020 07:02 EST

Earnest
"They are a real bad ass Sitting in their basement beating the crap out of their keyboard "
If you count me to "they" you can't be much more wrong.
During my life I have thought bullies all the time although I'm leight weight. When I were 15 yo I even managed to stop all physical bullying within sight of me in school in the suburb, which was the worst in Stockholm back then, because the bullies knew they better not risk to get a fight with me - or many of them found it worse than beaten when I made fool of them. E g once I put a bully upside down in a trash barrell in school where many students saw him struggling to get up haha
Some of my friends asked me:
-How do you dare to fight alone against several and against much biger than you?
-Size doesn't matter when they miss...

Even now when I would be beaten by a 5 yo haha if he kick my broken knee, I had rather recently a long verbal fight FACE-TO FACE against a 35yo man, who has spent 13 years in jail because of voilent crimes because of his anger management problem... But now he is behaving good :)

NeutralPatriot
  5/20/2020 11:06 EST

Guys...neutralpatriot doesn't believe much in apathy - or fence sitting. You can go to my blog at netrualpatriot.com and see some pretty strongly held beliefs. They are central to one fundamental concept: we are one country. I'm "neutral" because I don't label myself as Democrat or Republican or Liberal or Conservative - I label myself as American. Period. I spent 20 years as a USMC officer wearing that mantel and I wear it today. My disdain is for the civil war mentality that believes there is only one way to see things (and up to there it's freedom of speech) and anyone who doesn't see them that way is the enemy (and right there you dropped out of the foundations that have maintained us a country). So my question is simply this: why the hell is there a "fence" in the first place? What is so damn bad about your country that you need to hate anyone that doesn't agree with you? In the history of man, fanaticism has never turned out well. In fact, if you peek under the covers of every major societal collapse, you find that cadre of frothing fanatics that set out to "fix" their country and ended up tearing it down. You guys have invented a civil war - something like we haven't seen since the 1860s - or maybe the 1960s. You whine and rant - but provide nothing that actually presents solutions. The Founding Fathers set out to form "a more perfect Union" - the operative word being "union". Not some collection of entrenched little camps all pissing and moaning at each other. It is a Government "of the people" - that means 328 million Americans...all of them...not just your little myopic band with your fingers in your ears. If you want to see where single solution sets lead, do a Google search: "Countries with one party rule". See if that is a list you think your country belongs on. As for me, I'm out. I can find plenty of gullible, temper tantrum throwing "patriots" right here. Good luck gents. Rail on in your righteous indignation.
My fear is that eventually you'll get exactly the government you deserve.

ACEPoolPlayer
  5/20/2020 12:22 EST

Coach,
Any well respected "top boss" that I have ever known realizes that any positive image that they portray makes the people below them better followers. Although I agree there are some sloppy dressed, esthetically unpleasant smelling and looking boss's with disrespectful verbal skills in the world. Those people are usually disrespected and despised by everyone below them.

coach53
  5/20/2020 13:31 EST

ACE
"Any well respected "top boss" that I have ever known realizes that any positive image that they portray makes the people below them better followers.."
But bothering about spelling (in internal messages) would be a BAD thing to make employees follow, because that's WASTEING TIME :)

"Although I agree there are some sloppy dressed"
Perhaps it's different in USA, but e g Steve Jobs dressed casual.
In Sweden the best bosses are respected but "one of the guys" at the same time. Succesful leading style in Sweden is very democratic MODERN "flat" organisations where top bosses entusiasm, show solutions and decide overview things after listening much to the employees. Detail decisions are left to the employees.

Foreign companies have bought successful Swedish companies - and destroyed them by changing to OLD leading style not listening at all to employees :)

I have lead succesfully by doing worker's jobs myself FAST, so it become embarrassing for them to be much slower :) so they speed up. Plus I gave them bohnus salaries when they work good.plus benifits.
And when it was very cold weather, then I did the worst district myself to show the work could be done inspite of the terrible weather :)

It's extra important with relaxed environment including dressing when it's jobs as software developing as I lead after I had sold my distribution business. That was soon after the Berlin wall fell and my client wanted me to build up such developing organisation in Russia. Because of Russians had recently been killed or send to Siberia if they told their oppinion, to make them dare to tell their oppinions I started with telling them:
-It's ok to call me "idiot" as long as you tell why and tell a better idea than mine... :)

Sweden have reached much better TEAM sport results than we are suppoused to with such few citisens. I suppouse it depend of the relaxed leading style.

So Swedish leading style is much different from "stone age" pyramid dictator style :)

mootpoint20
  5/20/2020 14:36 EST

For Earnestendeavor: You made a previous 'notation' on China that is absolutely critical for nations which I agree. Their loosening of this experimental virus may have been a 'shot across the bow'. It was an experiment in Terror against getting their way and watching to see how Trump would react.
"But killing people?"
Yes, the ideology demands atheism, and world dominion is the only goal. After-all it was made in a lab for the purpose of biological warfare and indiscriminate killing.

tombalita1
  5/20/2020 15:06 EST

gypsy: he is only interested in making cash for himself and could care less what the daily death tolls are.--- Another hillbilly here. As some try to fight the Wuhan virus, there are others (Leftists and some Blue state governors), who would rather keep the economy shut down. "Why"? Keeping the economy in the tank will hurt Trump and the fact is no how many small businesses have to fold, how many former employees have to stay home and receive unemployment and stimulus, all those things are acceptable collateral damage as long as Trump in defeated in 2020. Just before the virus, we had a thriving economy. The lowest African American, Hispanic and female unemployment ever. This all happened in spite of the previous administrations efforts to cripple Trump since even before his election, in the transition of administrations, and ongoing through their surrogates. Clinton, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe and the list goes on . . . . . of Never Trumpers continue the resistance. As Hillary said , "there is only the resistance". The Russia thing was a hoax, as we now now that Brennan withheld the intelligence that Putin actually wanted Hillary to win, as Hillary have been sucking up to Putin for a long time and Trump was an unknown entity. China was what we should have been keeping our eye on. But now while American small businesses are shut down, Walmart stays open and is thriving, selling mostly mostly products. Trump would be much richer if he had stayed in the hotel and entertainment business Check your info, but I guess that's difficult for Trump haters like you. Double Smile

tombalita1
  5/20/2020 15:11 EST

Correction: the sentence was to read: Walmart selling mostly Chinese products.

Earnestndeavor
  5/20/2020 22:36 EST

Neutral Patriot-

When I read your first comment I thought you were simply misguided. Now I see your purpose here. You, veiled in neutrality have called out everyone who is willing to state their opinions. You have called us names, questioned our intelligence, questioned our patriotism and told everyone who disagrees with you to sit down, be quite and listen to you. BTW fence sitting is very definition of neutrality. I will not go into the anatomical features that prevent most men from straddling the fence.

Now I see your real purpose here is to steal traffic from this forum and redirect them to your blog. In other words you are a troll. Perhaps peacekeeper will see this and act appropriately.

Earnie

LarryKar
  5/20/2020 23:21 EST

Earnestndeavor Except that it was well written with big words, grammar, etc. I at first thought
Neutral Patriot was a case of " rearrange their faces and give them all another name". But turns out as you said just a passing Troll. He says he's gone and as this is not an airport he did not need to announce his departure. I'm just hopeful he is really gone.

coach53
  5/21/2020 08:52 EST

tombalita
You and some others have "forgot" to answer :)
If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

"(you = gypsy). Check your info, but I guess that's difficult for Trump haters like you."
Have you become Trump LOVER suddenly, tombalita? haha

tombalita1
  5/21/2020 09:38 EST

coach53

NeutralPatriot
  5/21/2020 13:18 EST

I'm still around, guys. I joined this forum and monitor it because my wife and I plan to retire to the Philippines early next year, so I thought it might be a source of information and problem solving. Then I wandered into this portion of it, and got sucked in. When I said in my last post, "I'm out", I meant of the ongoing conversation. Don't see any need to invest energy into conversation with people who persist in bashing their country and their fellow Americans, and tearing it all down with wildly exaggerated conspiracy theories, all while enjoying its benefits. People who think their fellow Americans are their enemies.
And I'm sure nothing I say is going to make a damn bit of difference. So it's pretty much a waste of time to carry on with this crap. It's like engaging in self-inflicted injury. So...I disengaged. Life's too short - especially at my age. I still have email notifications turned on, but the last couple days have pretty much deleted whatever doesn't have an interesting subject line, and that's what I'll continue to do. Being new to the site, I haven't figured out if I can unsubscribe to a specific portion like this...I need to poke around in the Preferences section a bit. Meanwhile...y'all soldier on. I'm doing the same.

tombalita1
  5/21/2020 15:29 EST

Oorah!

coach53
  5/21/2020 17:16 EST

tombalita
You and some others have "forgot" to answer :D
If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

tombalita1
  5/21/2020 20:08 EST

coach53

tombalita1
  5/21/2020 20:14 EST

NeutralPatriot: Semper Fi !

coach53
  5/22/2020 09:44 EST

tombalita
You and some others have "forgot" still to answer :D
If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

Gingert76
  5/22/2020 09:45 EST

am i imagining things or is the same thing being posted again and again and again?

Tsmslf
  5/22/2020 09:46 EST

Coach, you've said this before too, Whom do you have in mind as your examples please. Thank you.

gypsyquokka
  5/22/2020 10:59 EST

Yes Coach - good question but some of the Americans will choose not to answer your question, because it does not flatter the USA or the present president and others prior.

NeutralPatriot
  5/22/2020 11:17 EST

Hi tombalita - saw your greeting from the other day. Semper Fi to you, too. I was looking at the forum website to see if I could contact your directly. Don't see how. I wanted to know where you live and see what you think about the area.

LovePhilly
  5/22/2020 15:59 EST

Patriot you can Private Message
Tom here. There is a link just below his name on one of his posts.

LovePhilly
  5/22/2020 16:02 EST

You guys probably read this in the news already but Biden was doing a radio interview with a black guy and he told him, "if you aren't a Democrat your'e not black". Hahahaha.

His people do everything they can to limit his talk and keep it carefully scripted but he still just opens his mouth and screws it up. No way this guy can be the President. There is just no way.

coach53
  5/22/2020 16:56 EST

tsnslf
"you've said this before too, Whom do you have in mind as your examples please."
Do you mean them claiming I'm wrong and USA fight for democrazy?
None of them have answered that very important question so it need repeeting :)

If USA fight for democrazy as they claim, how come USA SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?

- -
gypsy
"good question but some of the Americans will choose not to answer your question because it does not flatter the USA or the present president and others prior."
Yes. Tombalita said ME being a hypocryt!!! When it's OBVIOUSLY them hahaha

tlallen59
  5/22/2020 17:56 EST

The word is spelled democracy dude.

Tsmslf
  5/22/2020 23:32 EST

No Mr. Coach. You're playing word games with me. You keep saying that America supports dictators when it's in America's interest. I simply asked you to name those dictators you had in mind and always fail to identify.

gypsyquokka
  5/23/2020 04:52 EST

Hi - hill-billy - love phil - IF you must make a quote about somebody, as you just have on this Forum = CHECK to see what Joe Biden actually said. On 3 TV networks in Philippines , your quote was pathetically wrong. Check again - SMILE

LovePhilly
  5/23/2020 10:47 EST

Ok, so I paraphrased him. This is the quote...

“I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/naacp-pushes-back-biden-endorsement-you-aint-black

coach53
  5/23/2020 13:58 EST

Tsmslf
" You keep saying that America supports dictators when it's in America's interest. I simply asked you to name those dictators you had in mind"
No, your "whom" could refer to them not answering too..

"and always fail to identify."
hahaha That's a both crap and FALSE statement...
I had told that SEVERAL times BEFORE you asked.
QUOTE from the latest time I told it BEFORE you asked.
"Saddam Hussein, Marcos, Chile military junta."
Before that I had told this much more detailed also.
Do you expect me to REPEET it EVERY time I repeet the questions hypocryts still haven't answer...? :D
This is "COMMON KNOWLEDGE" in Europe. Many Americans are crap at history, a very selective memory, or aren't you told the TRUTH in USA?

. .
tlallen
"The word is spelled democracy dude."
Not in the sentence
"If USA fight for demo-crazy as they claim, how come they SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...?"
because that American obviously FALSE claim is a DEMO of CRAZY... haha

Tsmslf
  5/23/2020 15:51 EST

You are one snotty Swede and, since you constantly run down the country I love, I have no use for your posts and see little to be gained in further communications.

Earnestndeavor
  5/23/2020 19:18 EST

“ I have no use for your posts”

Welcome to the delete club Self.

All of this anti American rhetoric coming from one of the most racist countries in the world.

Fought with Germany in ww2.

Has ELECTED neo-nazis serving in government.

Has neo-nazis in uniform marching openly down the main streets.

Neo-nazis openly recruits students at schools.

I suggest he focus his efforts to stop the storm troopers and the rest of the disgusting and despicable racism in his own country before criticizing others.
Glass houses comes to mind.

BTW- Tom has posted a delete button which works great with
“mr. pronoun” I now use it regularly.

Earnie

tombalita1
  5/23/2020 19:29 EST

Tsmslf: Feel free to use the button below to respond to coach53. I do. ---- Tom

LarryKar
  5/23/2020 20:25 EST

Tsmslf, Tom, Earnie, almost everyone else. Growing up i had a Great Uncle who was 100% Swede. Kindly, jovial , guy. Always amazed me that he was born and 70+ years later died in the same house in Chicago. Unlike Coach who leaves me with a bad taste always treasure the memory of Uncle's Swedish Meatballs. Wish no harm on another but must admit I'm looking foward to Coach moving here with his ideas and some local giving him an Attitude Adjustment.

Earnestndeavor
  5/23/2020 23:25 EST

Larry, please forgive me if I offended you or your Swedish family or any Swedes for that matter. My comments were intended solely to belittle “mr. pronoun” I will make no further comments of that nature.

Earnie

LarryKar
  5/24/2020 01:34 EST

Earnest no offense taken. My intension was to just point out that not all Swedes are like a certain unit we know. He was a Great Uncle through marriage to my Grandpa's Sister. My only regret now is i cant stop thinking about those Swedish Meatballs. So good. Smile.

coach53
  5/24/2020 14:10 EST

Tsmslf
"you constantly run down the country I love, "
USA is better at run down ITSELF :D
by trying to spread OBVIOUS LIES as If USA is fighting for democrazy, when the TRUTH is USA SUPPORT DICTATORS when it make more power to USA...
None of you have even tried to "explain" how these parts can suit together. Not odd, because it's impossible :D

As I said this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in Europe, but many Americans are stupid enough to go on claimíng that OBVIOUS LIE is true!!! :D

- -
Earnest
"Fought with Germany in ww2."
That's an other LIE :D

"Has ELECTED neo-nazis serving in government."
Yes. It was ME who told it in this forum... :D
I ALSO told all others REFUSE to cooperate with them, but you "forgot" to mension that :)

"I suggest he focus his efforts to stop the storm troopers"
I have TOLD in this forum I FIGHT the new-nazis in other forums where Swedes read. I started years before this discussion started, since they started to try to become elected...
So it isn't so clever you try to use that as an argument against ME!!! :D

"before criticizing others."
It depend of USA go on trying to spread such OBVIOUS LIES to the WORLD...

Tsmslf
  5/24/2020 17:10 EST

I recommend you go off someplace and reproduce yourself.

onememphisdude
  5/24/2020 17:43 EST

LOL! Enjoyed that reply.

coach53
  5/25/2020 07:28 EST

tsmurf
"I recommend you go off someplace and reproduce yourself."
Now you didn't think again. Then it would become MULTIPLE persons telling about the lies USA try to fool the world to believe... hahaha

plantsandplaster
  6/3/2020 08:34 EST

This morning (June 3) I read about Mr Trump's photo shoot outside a church opposite the WH. The one where all the peaceful protesters were cleared out of the way first with teargas and rubber bullets. I am not an American so I'm guessing there must be some symbolism that I fail to grasp, if so can somebody please explain to me what it means as I'm in a quandary. Is he trying to remind us that people of colour (his been orange) are also Christians? Is he trying to say that even though he can't read very well he still has a nice suit. Or is he showing his deep admiration of churches because they to don't pay taxes?
In the past Mr Trump was comic relief for myself and others. Our mornings often started with a chuckle about how ridiculous the latest utterance or behaviour of POTUS was (I still get highly amused when I think of the photo of Mr Trump looking at an eclipse). Unfortunately it seems now because of a persistent, almost criminal, lack of leadership what we were witnessing was the early stages of a train wreck. I feel sorry for the American people. I know that many of the expat Americans on this forum fit the demographic group that will idolize this false person, so I don't kid myself that I am going to dent anybody's long held opinions. What I would ask though, is contemplation of the fact that when people outside the US see MAGA, what they experience is "Grate" as in irritation.

surfingcebu
  6/3/2020 09:42 EST

Plants- let me be clear, IMHO peaceful protesters don’t assault, loot, burn , kill, and deface public monuments,etc . You have to rethink this leftist utopia thought

tlallen59
  6/3/2020 10:57 EST

Mr. plant: please take your lies and rubbish somewhere else. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/park-police-defends-actions-clearing-protesters-near-white-house-says-no-tear-gas-was-used

tombalita1
  6/3/2020 11:54 EST

plantsandplaster, fake news! They used smoke only as my son in law, a DC National Guardsman told me after his shift on the front line. Also verified by the Park Police shortly after. He’s been there on the front line shoulder to shoulder with the police since the beginning. You’re obviously a Trump hater that most likely gets their news from the liberal media. It’s very simple, our Constitution allows freedom of speech meaning peaceful, vibrant protest and lawful assembly. However, the rule of law must prevail. Rioting and looting must be dealt with by whatever means necessary to squelch it. These are probably concepts that you “fail to grasp”. No symbolism, straight to the point. Perhaps I’ll start my mornings contemplating the utterances of some misinformed foreigners. And having a chuckle about it. —Tom

Tsmslf
  6/3/2020 12:25 EST

Don't sweat the New Zealander's rubbish as he's from nowhere. NZ is beautiful and very pleasant bu some facts:

- the US has 8 times more blacks than NZ has people in total and 66 times more people overall

- NZ's population is 70% white, 15% Asian and 15% Maori (black)

- NZ 's total population is about 5 million thus the Manila capital region has 5 times more people than NZ

To compare the leadership of NZ and the US is more than apples and oranges. It's like comparing the management of your local supermarket to IBM. There is no reasonable way to compare.

And NZ's importance to the world is about as important as our NZ poster's opinion is here. Both are piffles.

And my ex is a dual NZ/US citizen as is my 15 year old son.

tlallen59
  6/3/2020 13:28 EST

Tsmslf you sound like somebody I know from the Seattle area!

coach53
  6/3/2020 15:56 EST

tsmurf
"- the US has 8 times more blacks than NZ has people in total and 66 times more people overall"
So how come USA can't get better presidents among all that people? haha

Of what I know John F Kennedy was GOOD. Since then there have been crocks as Nixon, marionets as Reagan and idiots as George W Bush...

None of you have answered still - How does USA manage to claim fighting for democrazy when supporting dictators when it suit USA to get more power...? :D

plantsandplaster
  6/23/2020 01:48 EST

In reply
To surfingcebu
Correct; Peaceful protesters do not inflict violence on others and their property, that is why I called them 'peaceful protesters'.
To tlallen59
You accuse me of lying and then refer me to a Fox News article to support your accusation. If you aren't a stand-up-comic you missed your calling. I appreciate your manners (re "please" leave) yet as this is a forum, and as some contributors may support that abstract concept called 'freedom of speech', I respectfully decline your invitation.
To tombalita
Correct: I was wrong to write that they used teargas and rubber bullets to clear away peaceful protesters, in that this was not the full list of instruments of violence deployed; teargas. rubber bullets, a chemical spray based on capsicums and what the American military call flash-bangs, what I know as thunder-flashes i.e. an explosive device capable of taking off a finger if picked up.
I do not hate Mr Trump, I have never met the man, and with a bit of luck, never will. As I say he amuses me, and by extension his supporters amuse me. I have this theory about Mr Trump and the senior GOP members; It was customary in India to distract the roaming tiger from the villager's houses by staking out a young goat, (I purposefully didn't use "kid" to avoid confusion). The orange clown is there to distract people's attention about what is really going on.
I agree the rule of law must prevail, and even though you did not say it, I have no problem with looters being shot. What distresses me, is that so many of the press are being shot. Why would police officers want to shoot journalists documenting police actions against people protesting about police violence? If you read that question slowly you realise that it becomes somewhat rhetorical.
Given that this is the Philippine forum , please excuse me if I take the opportunity to compare the actions of Mr Trump to General Douglas McArthur. It has been reported that Mr Trump carried out an "inspection" of the WH underground bunker when the peaceful protesters were in the streets outside. He apparently then sent out a threatening tweet about having "ominous dogs and savage guns" or some such. Gen. McArthur behaved similarly when annoyed people were about, in his case, the Imperial Japanese Army was invading. His men called him "Dugout Doug". I wonder if "Bunker Don" will catch on?
To tsmslf
Correct; New Zealand is beautiful and very pleasant. Yet I do not think this is why our government reported a 300% increase in inquiries about emigration from the USA immediately following the 2016 election result.
I am happy to compare the leadership of NZ to the leadership of USA, in your words; our apple to your orange :). Leadership is taking responsibility, leading by example, having the best interest of others foremost, and not hesitating in making the hard, often unpopular, decisions. I challenge you to show me just once during the Covid 19 pandemic when Mr Trump has shown these qualities. Since you obviously know a little about NZ, you will know our Jacinda Ardern has shown these qualities in spadefuls, we are in debt to our good governors. If you can furnish me with an example, please make it accurate, don't repeat the inaccuracies Mr Trump (and Fox News) spread like "I banned flights from China early".
I think New Zealand is very important to the world (particularly the Western world). we have been an example to others on how to respond to a pandemic. In other areas where NZ has led others have followed, women's suffrage, 40 hour working week, old age pensions, are just 3 that quickly come to mind, here's another...No Fault accident injury compensation, if you came to NZ and injured yourself because of your own stupidity, we would still look after you in hospital and take care of you at little to no cost to you. As an aside, we had to tighten up the rules on our free health care because too many American women were coming to NZ to have their babies.
Surprise yourself sometime and do an internet search of the most successful countries at the Olympic games i.e. medals per capita. Of course NZ is there. You may ask yourself why are socialist countries so good at sport? Then again you may also ask why are they so good at science, technology, education, etc. etc.?
I am glad you like statistics tsmslf because Mr Trump twettered something the other day that I think needs to be addressed, as it regards a truth that many, especially Americans, fail to appreciate.
His tweet was in defence of keeping Confederate general's names (they used to be called "the enemy") for US military bases. In the tweet Mr Trump said Americans won WW1 and WW2.
Military deaths in WW1 as a percentage of population has the USA ranked lowest among these Allies.
USA 0.13
Canada 0.83
Russia 1.14
Australia 1.2
New Zealand 1.65
UK 1.79
France 3.5
Note the high percentage loss of life by the French, it was the reason why they capitulated 20 years later.
Also note NZ's sacrifice per capita was over 10 times that of the USA's.
Military deaths in WW2 as a percentage of population has the USA ranked lowest among these Allies.
USA 0.31
Canada 0.37
France 0.5
Australia 0.57
NZ 0.72
UK 0.8
USSR 5.3
Poland 7.16
Note; NZ's sacrifice per capita was nearly 2 and a half times more than that of the USA.
Note also; The countries that sacrificed the most to defeat fascism in WW2 were Poland and the USSR. Do not get me wrong, for the USA to lose over 400,000 men in WW2 is an absolute tragedy. Yet the Soviet Union lost over 60 times, yes, 60 times more military personnel and civilians than the USA. So imagine how the Russkies must glow in appreciation every time they hear about the Americans winning WW2. As we say in NZ; Yeah Right?!.
Making America Grate Again.
Thank you all for your considered comments.

rebtop
  6/23/2020 05:31 EST

I am astounded that people still support tRump after all he has shown himself to be. His last rally was an example of people realizing what a conman he is. I guess it takes longer for slower people to catch up with the crowd.

DavaoDelSur1
  6/23/2020 23:37 EST

plantsandplaster the Trump supporters don't care for facts. They like being lied to. It reinforces their backward view of the world. But nice try with great post.

plantsandplaster
  6/24/2020 20:19 EST

Re Latest Trump rally.

In a normal world one would expect that a great leader was one that has shown his willingness to endanger himself for his people, not the other way round. For the sake of perhaps one last glimpse of their head hedonist his audience have put their own (and others) lives at risk, and thus should feel disappointed that Mr Trump should waste over 14 minutes of his speech trying to give various reasons as to why it seemed to take him over 14 minutes to descend a ramp at the West Point Academy. Surely it is not unreasonable to think that any leader of any country in the midst of so many crises would have better things to talk about than defending his own image? I know appearances are everything to some, yet when you are in the midst of the forlorn hope and about to charge into the breach you would hope your leader is armed with something more lethal than a hairdryer.

rebtop
  6/24/2020 23:03 EST

Watching real news, foreign, it is obvious what the world thinks of the US at this time. The thing that strikes me the most is their question: HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? To them and to me, it is surreal. A lying con man elected POTUS. An anarchist as AG. This will not end well.

rebtop
  6/24/2020 23:58 EST

After all that has happened concerning tRump I am at a lose to understand how his supporters support him. Bleach as a virus cure. No masks as you are a sissy if you wear one. The virus is almost gone in the US. Meanwhile the infection rate is soaring especially in red states. FL and AZ for example. Bleach medical emergencies are high and getting more numerous. I cannot make this up. Monty Python is in the tRump cabinet.

surfingcebu
  6/25/2020 00:29 EST

Red top- second amendment is more important now than ever.

Say hello to Mr. Smith & Weston , Mr. Rugger, and Mr. Savage. I know how to operate all three very proficient. Come and topple my front yard statue .... please Antifa , BLM ... etc...

An eye for an eye . 100% . Maybe 110% for good measure :)

Surf .

coach53
  6/25/2020 02:05 EST

rebtop
"Watching REAL news, FOREIGN, it is obvious what the world thinks of the US at this time." (My capital letters.)
Similarities to what I have been talking about, when I have told for USA embarrassing FACTS, which in big parts are "common knowledge" in Europe about USA, while most Americans don't seem to have a clue about very important AMERICAN stuff have happened!!! So I have got a lot of crap from Americans for telling such FACTS...

coach53
  6/25/2020 02:10 EST

plantsandplasters

Don't forget New Zealand in far better concerning corruption too.
I have forgot the order in the last international research I saw, but NZ was in top 4 together with Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

Although we Swedes aren't satisfied with being in top 4 haha
We aren't satisfied until all corruption are gone...
(Well. We don't bother much when politicians get sneak free lunchs by calling them "meetings" but close to there is the max we tolerate.
E g we protest against the "cost covers" the politicians get in the European Union parlament, because they get sure MORE than the real costs! >:( And on top of that some of them CHEAT to get extra much. Sweden have suggested long time EU documents to be public so such bad things can be seen by anyone, but we are voted down by corrupt countries at the continent...
(In Sweden are allmost all documents public, except when it's sensitive information about private persons as hospital records. Most other documents from the public service can be demanded to get for a cost cover fee when it's more than a few pages, then it's free.
(E g two days ago I demanded to get all the 2020 complaints from private persons against a specific Swedish municipaly, which I know missbehave remarkable. I hope to make it frontpage news in the region newspaper, and to get it at the signs at newspaper sellers too. AFTER the vacation so max people see it :)

The most known corruption case in Sweden is the "Toblerone case". It sound as some mafia involved, but it was the expected next prime minister who got KICKED OUT for buying a Toblerone chockolate bar haha using a card ment for parlament costs.

tlallen59
  6/25/2020 02:36 EST

So it is written so let it be so. The woke mob has spoken.

plantsandplaster
  6/25/2020 03:13 EST

Reading some earlier posts I had to smile at "Predictions are hard to make, especially of the future" it reminded me of Yogi Berra's "It's like deja vu all over again".
Earlier in his tenure Mr Trump seemed to be obsessed with the idea of being awarded a Nobel peace prize. I suspected then that he wanted to be seen as no less a president than his predecessor. And I predicted that if it looked like he was not going to be re-elected there would be a war between the USA and Iran. War worked for George W. Bush (among others) and in many ways George W. was the dummy run for Mr. Trump (with strong emphasis on "dummy"). So far, apart from some sabre rattling, there has been no war with Iran, ...so far. Though Mr Trump, is obsessed with being re-elected, according to former national security adviser and the most hirsute projectile propelled through the revolving door at the WH; John Bolton.
Add that observation to comments Mr Trump made during a June 23rd visit to Arizona, where he spoke to a conservative student group called Turning Point, Mr Trump said "... there is tremendous evidence of fraud whenever you have mail-in ballots", this statement is as honest as Mr Trump's ...........(I leave the reader to choose their own example from the following list; Tax returns, exhibitions of Christian faith, matrimonial vows, business dealings, previous utterances on geography/history/science/medicine/elections/inaugarations/anything)
The reason Mr Trump would promote this falsehood is he knows that people will be more likely to use mail ballot than risk contracting Covid-19, the Tulsa rally proved this because he saw that even many of his supporters weren't quite dumb enough to hazard a few hours of close contact with a large group of strangers. It's as if, at the thought of risking their lives, a large number had suddenly developed bonespurs.
By contesting the validity of postal voting now he is laying the ground work for contesting the result of the election should it not favour him, which is looking increasingly likely.
Mr Trump to the students; "This will be, in my opinion, the most corrupt election in the history of our country. And we cannot let this happen. They want it to happen so badly."
I'm guessing the secret service are currently stockpiling cans of Diet Coke in that WH bunker as I write this.
I agree Rebtop - this will not end well.

rebtop
  6/25/2020 07:16 EST

This situation today is unbelievable. Generals and intelligence officers are denouncing this buffoon. But I have to keep telling myself he is just a tool. And rapidly losing his edge. They will have to find another tool. So alarming that he / they managed to pack the federal courts. This will have an impact for the next generation.

plantsandplaster
  6/25/2020 08:53 EST

Thank you Coach53 for pointing out NZ's low level of perceived corruption. I tend to take it for granted that our public servants are in it for the job satisfaction. We did have one government minister who got snapped on an overseas trip booking a naughty video up to his room account. Unlike him I suppose...nothing came of it.
I note that you still have not got an answer to your question -"How does USA manage to claim fighting for democrazy (sic) when supporting dictators when it suit USA to get more power..(?)".
I will give you the answer;
They can't.
Since the introduction of the Monroe doctrine It has always been part of US foreign policy to interfere in the workings of Latin American countries where they can. The US supported overthrow of Salvador Allende in Chile by Augusto Pinochet is, as you say, just one instance. I read about the tortures, murders and disappearances of the many that were active in the welfare of their communities; the teachers, doctors, union members and students. It did not make good reading. In defence of Americans; I do not expect the average American student to be taught about these matters nor do I expect that they would have any literature in the school libraries about this tragic episode in Chile's history. It is not in the interest of those in power to have hard questions about US involvement in the overthrow of democracies directed at them by the next generation. It is better to keep the kids ignorant of world history and to keep them saluting Old Glory while being told they live in the greatest and most righteous nation on Earth.
I am guessing that previously you have asked our American conservative friends about Nicaragua in the 1980's when Americans supported the Contras against the democratically elected Sandinista government. A slippery operator named Oliver North was central to the American efforts to arm the Contras. This guy turned out to be so duplicitous that he later became president of the National Rifle Association and a contributor to Fox News. During the US invasion of Grenada, Oliver North was responsible for the planning. By memory they couldn't land the eight Hercules transports they sent as there was only room to land two, they had to keep the other six circling the airport, as we say in NZ, this man couldn't plan a piss-up (drinking session) in a brewery. I remember many years ago reading about Oliver North in a Time magazine, it showed a photo of Lieutenant Colonel North standing in court on charges of conspiring to defraud the US, he is in dress uniform and had a chest full of medals (as is the American way). The Time's article detailed what the medals were for. I could not believe that the US Army awards a medal for being able to fire a pistol and another for being able to fire a rifle, one would tend to think that proficiency with these weapons would be expected as part of the job, like you would expect a teacher to know how to use a pencil sharpener, or say, wipe down a whiteboard.
I could go on about US support of dictators in other countries like Brazil but I won't, at some stage our American friends must take responsibility for their own education.
I will bring your attention Coach 53 to one instance that you may not know about, but then again I suspect you do, the case of Haiti. This country the US has screwed over supremely. I feel so sorry for these people. Once again the US supported a tyrant and Haitians are now exploited and deprived to simply increase the wealth of already wealthy Americans.
An interesting, and relevant, part of the Haiti story is the former US administrator Major General Smedley Butler. It is relevant to the theme of 'overthrowing democratically elected governments' as Smedley Butler testified before a US congressional committee that he was approached by financiers who in conjunction with fascist groups were planning to overthrow US president Franklin D. Roosevelt's government. Prescott Bush the father of ex-president George H. W. Bush was one of those financiers.
Tack!

surfingcebu
  6/25/2020 10:14 EST

Red top, gezzz everyone knows that the FBI and some military divisions have benn bought bby the dems and China money . you need to read more . The FBI almost did a coup on your government. Unprecedented . The people choice president gets a coup attempt by FBI and Military . sounds like Venezuela to me !?

coach53
  6/25/2020 11:03 EST

plantsandplasters
" I do not expect the average American student to be taught about these matters"
But I expect the retired, who refuse to answer my question, to REMEMBER from when these scandals happened... haha
Or are the main TV channels in USA huge hyppocryts too :) so they don't tell such very important news?
As comparing - In Sweden it were the news in the main TV channels, who told the "Toblerone case"... :)

"Chile...tortures, murders and disappearances"
Yes. Some of my friends had the luck to get away to Sweden, but they have relatives and friends who died.

" It is better to keep the kids ignorant of world history and to keep them saluting Old Glory while being told they live in the greatest and most righteous nation on Earth."
An American native told (white) American student aren't even told about the many crimes American government and military did against American natives. They BROKE DEALS and when they wanted these tribe's land, they even attacked tribes, which had fought at the AMERICAN side in the freedom fight against England!!!

George Washington even learned DEMOCRASY from two of these American friendly tribes...

"I am guessing that previously you have asked our American conservative friends about Nicaragua"
I knew of that but I believe I didn't mensioned it among the examples. I found the American support of Saddam Husein as a better example haha

"Haiti"
I knew it was a mess with dicator "Papa Doc", but I didn't knew any details about USA involvement there.

LarryKar
  6/25/2020 17:53 EST

Surf: A coup against " the peoples choice President" who actually LOST the election by 3million + popular votes. Unprecedented Indeed.

rebtop
  6/25/2020 18:26 EST

Have to read more? Maybe. Faux News? So happy Mexico gave us billion pesos to build the wall tRump told us about. Everyone knows this to be true. The virus was a democratic ruse to destroy his presidency. Everyone knows this. Ingest or inject bleach to kill the virus. Everyone knows this will work. Stop testing so the infection rate will decline quickly. Everyone knows this is true. So everything I posted here is true.

rebtop
  6/25/2020 18:34 EST

Surf? Who gives a sh... about your yard? So self improvement are we? Antifa ? Seriously, grammar school kids that tRump needs for his next hate target. And you and your kind fell for it. Sad

rebtop
  6/25/2020 18:44 EST

Coach. Jingoism is alive and well in southern states. The reason is it is how their economies survive. Military bases keep these states alive. Thank you for your service. Actually troops are just cannon fodder for the the republican military industrial complex. Trump lives in Florida now that he was kicked out of NY. He is a vet.?

plantsandplaster
  6/25/2020 19:12 EST

Hi Coach53
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The above quote from George Santayana is relevant. (In researching the last sentence of that quote I found a page on wikiquote.org with many other fantastic Santayana quotes).
On the subject of American Indians.
They were often called savages, the Nazis called the Jews, Gypsys and Slavs 'untermensch' (subhuman), it's easier to treat people with inhumanity when you class them less than human.
Most people would know by now that it was actually the white man that introduced the practice of taking scalps, so how else could an American Indian be rightly called a savage? In the context of the quote above; has the American Indian forgotten his history? I think we all know who has forgotten their history or at best never bothered to learn it.
Would a savage conduct open warfare by making it a habit to attack the women and children of his enemy rather than his warriors? Custer's last stand was more of a failed flight.
"...condemned to repeat it"
Daniel Boone may have been a "big man" according to a TV program I watched as a kid, yet was not very good at honouring international agreements that his government, of that time, had made with the native people, in some ways he was the Oliver North of his day.
George Santayana again;
"Most men’s conscience, habits, and opinions are borrowed from convention and gather continual comforting assurances from the same social consensus that originally suggested them."
He is saying that the majority of us are a 'herd animal' in that we're happiest being told what to think, do and say and being surrounded by others that think, do and say likewise. Who does that remind you of? LOL
Not so LOL, it means Mr Trump may win the election :(.

rebtop
  6/25/2020 19:27 EST

Trump winning re-election is not possible. In the sense we all understand WINNING by normal accepted means. He is already preparing his minions to not accept his lose, should it happen. Trump is winning though, by dividing this country Into two camps, the degree to which I have never witnessed in my lifetime. What a legacy this loser will have.

onememphisdude
  6/25/2020 21:10 EST

TDS...has spread overseas... Go ahead and scout you out a big palm tree to sit under...when MAGA 2020 happens. Make certain its way back in the province...so you can SCREAM AT THE SKY.

onememphisdude
  6/25/2020 21:10 EST

TDS...has spread overseas... Go ahead and scout you out a big palm tree to sit under...when MAGA 2020 happens. Make certain its way back in the province...so you can SCREAM AT THE SKY.

rebtop
  6/25/2020 22:00 EST

MAGA. Oh. Agent Orange. He has the vocabulary of a 2 year old. Just so he can communicate with his minions I guess. Seriously. Beautiful (everything) Greatest. Best..and I.
Will his people take up arms when he loses? The officer Corp hates him. The educated part of the military.

coach53
  6/25/2020 22:30 EST

rebtop
"Jingoism is alive and well in southern states."
Well. Of what I have seen from TV it's more in the southern states, but more people in these states are against African Americans too, although it's the southern states who have made the problem :) by having slaves.
But it seem to be Jingoism among the majority of the American, because how can USA has "fought for democrazy" by supporting dictators during several presidents otherwice...?
If act and support of such power abuse against human rights in other countries would have happened in Sweden, then that politician - if ever wonn an election - would have been kicked out even before the election peiod ends. (I mean from around 1970 wnen my generation became old enough to vote - A majority in the generations before had some screwed up thinking haha earlier there was misstreating of the samic people. (But nowadays they are treated good by almost everyone and has even got some EXTRA power concerning things specialy for their lifestyle by they have got an own parlament for such questions.)

"The reason is it is how their /southern states/ economies survive. "
Yes, economical problems when not allowed anymore to get cheap labour by having slaves :)

"Trump... He is a vet.?"
Well. He is a vet in bullying people haha
According to a documentary, including how he acted before he started with business, he was a bully back then - also :)

coach53
  6/25/2020 23:01 EST

plantsandplasters
"Most people would know by now that it was actually the white man that introduced the practice of taking scalps, so how else could an American Indian be rightly called a savage?"
Yes, the scalping were invented by white Americans, because they made the scalps being a proof of killing a native American. These scalps were PAID for by officials, UNDEPENDING of it was scalps of native American men, who had done nothing wrong, women or even children!!!

Well. I don't believe most people know scalping was invented by white because
/it's a more detailed thing in American history so it can't be expected OTHERS than Americans know such detailed about American history.
/White Americans are SUPPOUSED to know, but I believe most of them don't because MOST Americans don't even seem to know more recent for USA very embarrasing things haha
as e g USA SUPPORTED Saddam Husein a long time with much money when it suited USA power...

plantsandplaster
  6/25/2020 23:54 EST

Hi Rebtop
I think the one good thing that may come out of the Trump presidency is that their may be more voter participation in future US general elections, at least in the next few when people will still remember these times.
According to OECD's (The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) latest figures, the % turnout of those registered to vote in the last general elections.
Australia highest at 93%
Sweden 4th equal at 86%
New Zealand is a miserable tenth at 77%
Canada is twentieth at 68%
USA twentyfirst at 67%
UK twentysecond at 66%
Yet if we were to take out the top 3 that have compulsory voting by law (the other two being Luxembourg and Belgium) then Sweden would be joint equal with Denmark at first (a fact that will please Coach53) and NZ would be a slightly less miserable 7th.
I think there are various motivating factors for voting (apart from lawful compulsion) or for abstaining:
1. Voting for a candidate can be motivated by a desire to have that candidate elected. A no-brainer.
2. Voting for a candidate could be motivated by the desire to vote against another candidate (especially if there are only two choices).
3. Abstaining - because the potential voter doesn't like or dislike the candidate/s enough to bother voting.
Or,
4. Abstaining - because the potential voter thinks the person they want to win will win easily without their vote.
Mr Trump got in because of factor 4. If there is high voter turnout this year many will be factor 2, and if that is the case then Mr Trump would then be......begins with 'f' and finishes with 'd' .....of course I mean fired!

plantsandplaster
  6/26/2020 01:36 EST

Hi Coach53
The Gulf War
A war started on lies, that only the truly stupid would try defending as necessary.
Vital Iraqi infrastructure was targeted early in hostilities such as water purification plants, leading to the spread of disease.
Iraqi Hospitals and urban centres targeted by USAF.
More fatalities from friendly fire than hostile fire (American allies like the British have known for a long time how really dangerous it is to be an American ally).
Some Consequences
The residue of depleted uranium munitions contaminating the Iraq environment.
Sanctions against even basic vaccinations for Iraqi babies.....a million of these innocents dead and counting.
Destabilization leading to the growth of ISIS.
Increased wealth for top Republicans as they 'clipped the ticket' on such things as provisioning occupying forces, contracting out security, and oil-for-food.
Some history
Yes Saddam Hussein used to be their client. He bought a lot of munitions off Uncle Sam. He fought the Iranians for 8 years. The Iranians must have been short on war materiel as they used to get kids and old men to ride motorbikes through the minefields. The Iranians were able to obtain some US Stinger air-to-ground missiles to shoot down some of Saddam's planes.
USS Vincennes - a shameful episode in the Iraq-Iran war, 290 non-combatants targeted and destroyed - if it was really a mistake in shooting down an Iranian passenger plane then why award the gunnery officer a medal on their return to the US?

plantsandplaster
  6/26/2020 05:12 EST

A correction to previous post;

Line 4 should read

Iraqi hospitals and clinics in urban centres were severely affected by loss of electricity generators targeted by USAF.

rebtop
  6/26/2020 05:46 EST

Plant. Inconvenient truth. You will never get many on this post to be introspective. And pretty easy to determine what party they belong to which demonstrates how self righteous they are.

rebtop
  6/26/2020 05:55 EST

Plant. Both parties have their extremists. It is fairly obvious the left extremist want more freedom while the right extremists want to take it away. Law and order types. I don’t agree with either group. Trump is playing the right extremely well. And they don’t get it. Wait until they lose their SS and disability payments. Too late then. Takers. :-)

coach53
  6/26/2020 06:32 EST

plants
"Sweden would be joint equal with Denmark at first (a fact that will please Coach53) "
Well. I stoped voting 30 years ago haha when I got pissed at a very unfair and stupid law, and NONE of the political parties in the parlament made a disagree note. So I got none worth voting at.

"2. Voting for a candidate could be motivated by the desire to vote against another candidate (especially if there are only two choices)."
Yes. Since I stoped voting a new political party has managed to get into the parlament. They are new-nazis in disguise, so perhaps I will change my mind and start voting AGAINST them. So far I have just made political argumentation against them.

"The Gulf War" and the following.
That was realy crap handled by USA. They should have
1. Never suppourted a dictator as Saddam Husein.
2. After starting the Gulf war, they should have FINNISH the problem.
First USA encouraged kurds and sunni to revolt against Saddam Husein, but then weapon supply to them were STOPED. Hard to fight with ancient rifels against the supermodern military USA had financed for Saddam Husein...
USA realy screwed that up under Gerorge Bush (="senior") undertood it afterwards, but didn't admit it of course" :)
When George W Bush got elected to president they had allready decided to start a new war against Saddam Husein to try to repair USAs damaged reputation from the first mess, so they worked hard MAKING UP a new "reason" to attack Iraq. UN said - including a Swedish controller traveling inside Iraq still - "We haven't found anything, but haven't checked all yet so WAIT." This USA of course ignored to do, because when nothing would be found, then it would be both proven USA lied plus USA would lose the "reason" to attack Iraq...

tombalita1
  6/26/2020 06:49 EST

The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the president and vice president.

tombalita1
  6/26/2020 06:52 EST

Rebs writes: Trump is winning though, by dividing this country Into two camps, the degree to which I have never witnessed in my lifetime. -- Indeed you have seen witnessed it O-B-A-M-A

plantsandplaster
  6/26/2020 10:59 EST

Hi rebtop
Left v Right
The ancient Greeks had a word for people that showed no interest in politics i.e.the governance of the city state, that word is 'idiot'. I suspect you know already; many polies (city-states) had varying types of governance from tyrannies, oligarchies, meritocracies through to democracies.
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
I'm not a big fan of 'The British Bulldog' yet he got it right that time.
Democracy is the worst form of government because it's inefficient. It's inefficient because it's combative, a different administration results in a different agenda. This combativeness though, this left vs right , workers vs owners, socialists vs capitalist element to our modern western democracies gives this system of government robustness. And by maintaining the ability to hold those that make the laws that govern us to account we help prevent our governments taking a non-democratic form. Therefore a democracy may give a citizen certain rights e.g freedom of movement, speech and association, yet it also imposes upon him a duty, that duty is to oppose any individual or any select group which may wish to impose themselves upon the state as an un-elected government.
So we get to choose, we can try our hardest, as the saying goes, to keep the bastards honest or we can just simply be idiots.

onememphisdude
  6/26/2020 11:53 EST

What PARTY i belong to.... Any PARTY that is not your Party.

tombalita1
  6/26/2020 17:26 EST

P and P: The ancient Greeks had a word . . . . . . to keep the bastards honest or we can just simply be idiots. - - -Exactly! Very well stated.---Tom

rebtop
  6/26/2020 18:15 EST

Under tRump’s leadership the US will now be barred from traveling to the EU. The outbreak of COVID-19 is the worst in the world. Red southern states are banned from traveling north to blue states. Is there a pattern here? Yep. Losers are losers and cannot hide.

rebtop
  6/26/2020 18:39 EST

Plant. It takes uninformed citizenry to destroy democracy. And the two party system, in my opinion. If one party is in power and has full or impactful control that party can change history. The US federal courts are now packed with conservative, young judges. These lower level judges will assimilate to higher positions. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh come to mind. Stacked courts. Anyone who thinks these courts are non political are dreamers.

onememphisdude
  6/26/2020 22:47 EST

It's Politics ...of course. ..and thats good. Judicial Philosophy is what matters. NOT party label. I look for Judges who believe in ORIGINALIST intent. They are not elected, they are appointed. Judges should place no bearing on politics of the moment. DECISIONS should be answered with THIS question; Is this in accordance with The Constitution. No politics needed..just judge original intent. Don't like their decision....then your solution is at the ballot box.

rebtop
  6/27/2020 00:56 EST

One. My sentiments also. Vote. And my second most important tenet is be vigilant about the freedom to vote. All Votes Matter. No gerrymandering or voter suppression.

plantsandplaster
  6/27/2020 02:44 EST

Hi Coach53
Kurds
The trouble is that the Kurds got in the way....sorry poor pun.
Yet it is what happened.
In 1916 the Britain; Mark Sykes and Frenchman; Francois Georges-Picot used a ruler to draw nice straight lines as boundaries for the "independent" nations that would result from the disintegration of the Ottoman empire after WW1. I found an excellent (and short) article about the Sykes-Picot Agreement on the interweb ;https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25299553.
I will quote a part of the article:
"First, it (the S-P Agreement) was secret without any Arabic knowledge, and it negated the main promise that Britain had made to the Arabs in the 1910s - that if they rebelled against the Ottomans, the fall of that empire would bring them independence".
There are many reasons why the Middle Eastern man has become wary of Western man, this is one, another is the secret agreement Britain, France and Italy made to grab the German oil and commercial concessions in the former Ottoman empire. Yet another is the Balfour agreement (central to the Israel/Palestine problem).
Back to the Kurds
Although they are not mentioned in the article, the new boundaries split the Kurdish people so that the homeland of the Kurds; Kurdistan became part of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria.
They became a minority ripe for persecution in not one but 4 countries, how lucky! I jest.
Yep, the Kurds Coach53, have for a long time been left in the lurch royally and also, to rub salt into the wound suffered 'friendly fire' during the Iraq War.
Here's my radical lefty thought - somehow a lot of people in the Western World feel that it is beyond the abilities of Middle Eastern peoples to govern themselves and they need us their to enlighten them. News Flash, while our ancestors were still trying to bash the neighbour's brains out with the handiest piece of granite, these people were developing agriculture, irrigation, mathematics, metallurgy, and astronomy to name just a few things, and yes, stable government was another. They didn't need us in the past, they don't need us now, and they won't need us in the future telling them how to govern themselves.

coach53
  6/27/2020 05:04 EST

plants
"used a ruler to draw nice straight lines as boundaries for the "independent" nations that would result from the disintegration of the Ottoman empire after WW1. "
Same type of messing up colonialists have made in Africa.

"the Kurds... suffered 'friendly fire' during the Iraq War."
Hard to avoid such.
It was MUCH WORSE when USA at the Gulf war ENCOURAGED the kurds and the sunni to revolt against Saddam Husein and then ABANDONDED them so Saddam Husein could slaughter them with his USA financed very modern army...

"somehow a lot of people in the Western World feel that it is beyond the abilities of Middle Eastern peoples to govern themselves"
Well. That have become corect after "western" countries have screwed things up there.

plantsandplaster
  6/27/2020 06:20 EST

Hi Coach53
African colonialism
Like hyenas around a prostrated buffalo, the European powers jostled to rend poor Africa.
On reading 'The Scramble For Africa" by Thomas Pakenham, I remember that the observation was made that WW1 was in part caused by Kaiser Wilhelm II (a nasty little bastard on a good day) feeling really pissed off that Germany had got bugger all of Africa whereas the British and French seemed to get the lions ....correction; hyenas* share of Africa.
I recall also reading that Belgium's King Leopold II treated Congo as his own fiefdom. Old Leo experimented with some inter-racial motivational techniques based on rewarding increased productivity by leaving the worker with significant long-term benefits, in other words his men would cut off the hands of native latex harvesters as punishment for small harvests.
* In defence of hyenas - I read once that lions steal as many hyena kills as the other way round.

rebtop
  6/27/2020 06:39 EST

Plant. This type of activity extended well into the 20th century. Even up to the VN war. And we participated in our own way. We decided which governments lived and which died. And died a brutal death. Never learned about it as our education system never presented it to kids. We were indoctrinated to believe we were the shining beacon on the hill. Who knew about Juneteenth day? Trump did through Miller.

coach53
  6/27/2020 11:12 EST

" I remember that the observation was made that WW1 was in part caused by Kaiser Wilhelm II (a nasty little bastard on a good day) feeling really pissed off that Germany had got bugger all of Africa whereas the British and French seemed to get the lions ....correction; hyenas* share of Africa."
I suppouse you mean the opposite, because Kaiser Wilhelm II was "Germany" (Preussen) so he can't be pissed at himself :)

That WASN'T the trigger, but perhaps England and France wanted to beat Germany to get their colonies :)
I did read a novell, but telling the real story, boring written :) by a sibbling to a Hungarian officer cavalerist in the Austria-Hungary army telling mainly the effects at that family and friends.
The trigger to the war was Austria(-Hungary) wanted to take the weaker Serbia, provoking Serbia (including Bosnia), which made a Bosnian assassined Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. "The shooting in Sarajevo.". By that Austria got "right" to attack Serbia to take it. Germany didn't want to go to war but had to when Russia declared war at Austria-Hungary by Germany was allied with Austria-Hungary,

Tsmslf
  6/27/2020 13:13 EST

Citing an article is not much support for an opinion but I do agree that we should not help a nation govern itself unless specifically asked and we specifically agree. The Bush theory of exporting democracy was self-evidently stupid ab initio particularly when applied to nations not asking for it and very unprepared for it.

Our own record is, at best, spotty lately. Unless specific and critical US interests are at stake, I prefer to let countries and people choose their own fates.

We have not done a good job in Puerto Rico which is poorly run as an example.
You could also make that argument about New York, California, Minnesota and Washington states.

I don't ever expect perfection but I do expect general competence and common sense both lacking in politicians promptly on entering office despite prior successes in multiple fields. As the King often said: "Tis a puzzlement."

coach53
  6/27/2020 13:37 EST

tsm
"The Bush theory of exporting democracy was self-evidently stupid"
If you refer to George W Bush's speech in startup of the war in Iraq.
if I remember corect he said fighting for democracy, which perhaps ment the same as you wrote - but wasn't intended to anyway :)

But the WORST part in that speech was an extreemly stupid part, which I reacted at directly I heared the speech. It made neutral and even some friendly muslims interpreet it as USA started a RELIGIOUS war against MUSLIMS. That MADE many more muslims join muslim terrorism organisations, and I guess made it became such as ISIS too....
Some people are realy idiots! :) Extra problematic when it's a president for a powerful nation as USA...

onememphisdude
  6/27/2020 16:18 EST

sorry...ain't buying it. Never heard of a "friendly Muslim' who interpreted Bushs' speech...and then went total JIHAD. Never was a WAR against Muslims...but against terrorists.

coach53
  6/27/2020 16:55 EST

onememphisdude
"sorry...ain't buying it. Never heard of a "friendly Muslim' who interpreted Bushs' speech...and then went total JIHAD. Never was a WAR against Muslims...but against terrorists."
Not odd you haven't hearred of it, because it's common Americans live in denyal about negative facts about USA... haha

I'm NOT muslim, but I intrepreeted it like that, thought "What an idiot!" DIRECT I heared the speech, so it was long before I noticed any reactions from muslims.
It's a FACT after that speech it became much easier for recruiters to make muslims join "terrorist" groups.

No, it wasn't the start of the so called "war against terrorism"
it was the speech at the start of the IRAQ war.
If USA counted Saddam Husein as "terrorist" why wasn't official USA calling him that back when USA SUPPORTED him...? haha

I count much of what USA and others supported by USA do as the MOST terrorism, when the STRONG attack weak. Such have happened many times, so not odd the WEAK VICTIMS do things, which the STRONG call "terrosism" but don't counting own actions as that!

NOTE! I'm against ALL attacks against civilians, who have nothing to do with it, UNDEPENDING of which side do it.

How many such have been murdered by American drones...?

rebtop
  6/27/2020 18:39 EST

Coach truer words were never spoken. Introspection is a trait most Americans, especially on this thread, don’t have. The Middle East was our preferred slaughter house because they were weak. Now they are terrorist because they are striking back. Trump is still doing it. He has to be taken down.

rebtop
  6/27/2020 18:57 EST

Religion is responsible for more deaths than any plague. I don’t want to go further into my opinion of religion. I WAS a catholic but learned at a young age exactly what being a boy in this church meant. Not me but my best friend was seduced. A pox on that CHURCH.

rebtop
  6/27/2020 19:10 EST

TSM and Alabama, Texas, Arkansas and WV.

plantsandplaster
  6/27/2020 21:03 EST

Hi rebtop
Indoctrination
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi 'poison dwarf' Joseph Goebbels. (Reminds me of a particular "news" organisation Mr Trump likes to watch).
Another favoured method of mob control is the 3 word chant; examples being "Lock -her -up!" and "Build -the -wall!"
The purpose of indoctrination is of course to avoid people thinking for themselves, otherwise it may lead them to ask probing questions and demand, that sin of sins, unfettered access to accurate information.
Never before in my life have I seen so much unremitting impulsive aggression* towards those that do ask the hard questions, the howls of "Fake News" and attacks against the integrity of individual correspondents. This propensity to put people in 'my gang' or 'their gang' - if you do not blindly follow the chosen one you must be a "hater... Not a "doubter" there is not enough emotion and negativity in the word 'doubt'. Emotion is needed, emotion leaves no room for consideration and remember the objective is to stop people thinking for themselves.
The annoying think is that politicians do know that (as alluded to previously) we are indeed a 'herd animal', a bunch of sheep, easily panicked, blindly running around in circles and jumping needlessly in the air just because some sheep in front jumped needlessly due to a moving shadow. (As I grew up there were 22 sheep per person in NZ - so I know a sheep when I see one).
In my 'little country naivety' I took it as a given that any politician that acted scandalously or told blatant lies would be cast out of the hallowed halls of power quicker than they could polish their shoes with their tie.
When people become frustrated with their government and their cries for reform seem not to be heard those cries will turn to cries for revolt. And remember it's called 'revolution' because it keeps coming round again.
* 'Unremitting Impulsive Aggression' is recognized by psychologists as a behavioural tendency among some children.

plantsandplaster
  6/27/2020 23:43 EST

HiCoach53
You wrote: "I suppose you mean the opposite, because Kaiser Wilhelm II was "Germany" (Preussen) so he can't be pissed at himself :)"
I wrote "...pissed off that Germany..." not "pissed at Germany", yes Kaiser Wilhelm II was from Prussia. I am sure that he percieved himself to be cast in the mold of a Teutonic Knight. (The Teutonic Order were a particularly agressive bunch of Crusaders who invaded and conquered Prussia in the early 13th century and slaughtered the locals wholesale for over 50 years). Adolf Hitler was later to have a poster made of himself as a Teutonic Knight. Shown here: https://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/archive/painting-the-standard-bearer/
In regard to Germany controlling a small amount of area in Africa compared to Britain and France;
You wrote "That WASN'T the trigger (for WW1), but perhaps England and France wanted to beat Germany to get their colonies :)"
I did not say it was the cause, nor even one of the main causes for hostilities to commence in WW1. I wrote "...in part caused by...".
The "trigger" was indeed the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (and his wife) by Gavrilo Princip - it was extremely unfortunate in many ways. Franz Ferdinand was heir apparent to the Austro-Hungarian empire and was regarded as a moderate compared to his more militaristic father Franz Joseph I.
Yes the Serbs appealed to their fellow Slavs the Russians, then Franz Joseph appealed to Germany and so on as various aligned countries "Cry 'Havoc!,' and let slip the dogs of war." (Mark Antony in Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar').

coach53
  6/28/2020 02:54 EST

rebtop
"Coach truer words were never spoken. Introspection is a trait most Americans, especially on this thread, don’t have."
I understand it's some harder for Americans to admit things by it was in comparing RECENT historial huge missbehavours as the massacers and breaking deals with american natives.
That's just 1-2 generation ago for people who are retired now.
(Swedes did similar too but that was 1000 years ago. And some 250 years ago but that wasn't massacres, that was civilians got hit during REAL wars, not the bullsh*t "wars" USA had against American natives just to TAKE their land even when there were deals!)

"The Middle East was our preferred slaughter house because they were weak."
And have much oil :)

"Now they are terrorist because they are striking back."
Yes they are CALLED "terrorists" by the REAL terrorists =the STRONG ones as e g USA.

"Religion is responsible for more deaths than any plague. "
Yes. Even WITHIN same religion as
/Shia against Sunni (e g Saddam Hussein)
/Catholics against protestants (as in the "30 years war" Sweden was doing some bad things in. But it was the Catholics who started :) Sweden came in some after the war had started.

"I WAS a catholic but learned at a young age exactly what being a boy in this church meant. Not me but my best friend was seduced. A pox on that CHURCH."
Yes all the way up including the Vatikan.
There is a huge denial and many realy not knowing by the church and school in catholic countries lie about it :(
I know it's better to avoid discussing religion in Phils, but I have hard to not tell such by I'm Swede :) When I tell Filipinos about the Vatikan taking side AGAINST the victims, most of the Filipinos I have told it to get shocked. But I tell it mainly to them I believe will get a good reaction against it, I don't talk any much with FANATIC religious people anyway because there can't be any much interesting conversations with people without any logic thinking :)

coach53
  6/28/2020 03:22 EST

plantsandplasters
ok I suppouse I missread. I haven't check back for it :)

"Germany controlling a small amount of area in Africa compared to Britain and France;"
Perhaps Britain and France wanted the German parts anyway :)

"Yes the Serbs appealed to their fellow Slavs the Russians, then Franz Joseph appealed to Germany "
Yes Serbs were NOT in alliance with Russia so they had to hope Russia would assist them,
but Germany were allied with Austria-Hungary so Germany HAD TO join the war when Russia declared war against Austria-Hungary.

coach53
  6/28/2020 04:34 EST

"Teutonic Order"
(in North America?)

"The Kensington runestone" found in MINNESOTA American "paper historians" still claim is a fake!!! because otherwice they would "need to" rewrite important parts of the American history haha
Even the historians who are convinced it's true, don't dare to say so in public because the risk of losing their jobs by the stupid denyers are in power...
But recent have SCIENTISTS PROVEN it CAN'T be a fake done by him who found it, because scientist proved the stone had been burried since long before that Swedish immigrant came to USA...

Even "paper historians" have hard to deny :) Wikings found the north American continent long before Columbus found anything, because arceologists have found a wiking village at Newfoundland with ship repair workshop.
Wikings didn't draw anything as traditional maps, they descibed locations based on directions. where there were rivers and such. By such descriptions combined with proof from the arceology in Newfoundland, it's PROVEN Wikngs went further. AT LEAST to a main river at the mainland southwest of NewFoundland. And why would they stop there...? :)
Wikings were used to follow rivers inland and even pull boats over land to get further. (E g from Sweden to nowadays Turkey the SHORTER route over east europe,)
BUT Norwegian Wikings found the north american continent just before year 1000 so there weren't so much time left of the period called "Wiking period". But it would be odd if Scandinavians wouldn't have continied to explore just because they weren't called "Wikings" anymore :)
This rune stone found in Kensington, Minnesota is dated 1362 and say (translated from old scandinavian)
""Eight Göts* and twenty-two Norwegians on an exploration journey from Vinland* to the west. We had camp by two skerries one day's journey north from this stone. We were [out] to fish one day. After we came home [we] found ten men red of blood and dead. AVM (Ave Virgo Maria) save [us] from evil."
"[We] have ten men by the sea to look after our ships, fourteen days' travel from this island. [In the] year 1362.""

My notes:
*Vinland. The location is some vague but roughly around Maine or more southwest along the Atlantic coast.
Named so by when it was found there were wild grapes growing there. And there were walnuts too so it have to be more southwest than Newfoundland.

*Göts. Some unclear by foreigners have one name for two different.
1. Gotland
2. or from south part of Sweden namned "Götaland".
Gotland had big importance back then.

Perhaps the stone is from when a Swedish-Norwegian king ordered an exploration expedition further inland.

An American scientist has a recent THEORY it can have been Teutonic Order when they fled from Europe.

Anyway - Columbus was not even FOURTH to find "America" hahaha although he NEVER found the continent :)
1. A norwegian wiking named Bjarne H something found the continent but never landed, he went back to Greenland.
2. Soon after that Leif Eriksson went from Greenland and landed in North America 998.
3 A CHINESE found the west side of north America down to around Panama. 1421? But soon after that China got a new ruler, who stoped all expeditions to other continents. Otherwice could big part of North America been Chinese haha

4+ Columbus.

Although BEFORE both the chineese and Columbus was also - I suppouse more Wikings too - a Wiking WOMAN expedition leader, who went to somewhere around nowadays Maine.
So Columbus was beaten by a wiking woman too haha

(Before christianity screwed up :) changed so it became very unfair, Wiking women had similar power as Wiking men and could inherit too. There were even female wiking WARRIORS, but mainly women had power in their home countries. E g one of my ancestors the female wiking Sigrid Storrada was one of the most OFFICIAL powerful women ever in the world concerning SOLO power. Some women have had biger power but through a young son or by manipulating a husband haha (Some modern female primeministers have had biger power but not solo.)

plantsandplaster
  6/28/2020 05:14 EST

Hi Coach53
My paternal grandfather went to WW1.
He served 3 years and 3 months in Western Europe. He was promoted in the field and he was demoted for returning from leave late. (Rebelliousness must be inheritable).
A piece of shrapnel entered his chest and tore a large hole in his back as it exited. He recovered in 'Blighty' (England) and returned to the trenches. He was shot in the right shoulder a month before wars end.
On return to NZ he resumed his occupation as a plumber.
He became an alcoholic. Many of those that had experienced the shelling and the horrors did.
His wife had a nervous breakdown.
He died of emphysema. My father told me that his friends had smuggled a bottle of whiskey into the hospital - "He was too drunk to turn on the Oxygen when he needed it".
I would have liked to have known him. He died before I was born.
To be accurate I think 'he' died at some time on the Western front.

coach53
  6/28/2020 05:32 EST

plantsandplasters
"He was promoted in the field and he was demoted for returning from leave late. (Rebelliousness must be inheritable)."
haha :thumbs up:

"To be accurate I think 'he' died at some time on the Western front."
Yes. PDS can be have been killing even long before it was "invented" as a diagnose.

I suppouse Sweden had much PDS back when Sweden were a superpower over 200 years ago, but then Sweden got tired of wars and have tried to stay out. That was so long time back so here we don't have bad effects of it from back then anymore.

plantsandplaster
  6/28/2020 06:30 EST

HiCoach53
In spite of his retreat to the Ottoman empire after attacking the Russians, Charles the XII was the best leader the Swedes have had by my memory, yet my memory is letting me down. I thought he died leading a cavalry charge somewhere in central Europe, yet I just referenced him online and I found that he died in the trenches outside a fortress in Norway. :(

rebtop
  6/28/2020 06:54 EST

Coach. Never doubt history written by winners. AG Barr.

coach53
  6/28/2020 08:33 EST

plantsandplasters
"In spite of his retreat to the Ottoman empire after attacking the Russians, Charles the XII was the best leader the Swedes have had by my memory, yet my memory is letting me down. I thought he died leading a cavalry charge somewhere in central Europe, yet I just referenced him online and I found that he died in the trenches outside a fortress in Norway."

No Karl XII was among the WORST leaders Sweden have had. It was he, who acted so Sweden LOST the position as a superpower and Sweden lost a lot of territory after Karl XII had made Sweden weak...
Karl XII messed up so much so he was almost sure shot dead by SWEDISH officer to stop the madness. In Norway as you said.

On the other hand the Swedish king you thought of, who died in a battle at Lutzen in central Europe = Gustaf II Adolf. He was among the most successful. Sweden joined the "30 years war" a bit later after hurried up to winning an other war, then fast march to join the protestant side. Back then was Sweden a superpower. Sweden continued rather successful after the king had died too, in big part depending of general Wrangel, who for his personal profits from that war built Skokloster castle where I were born. (In taxi at the road to hospital. I have always been fast :)

plantsandplaster
  6/28/2020 09:16 EST

Hi Coach53
Vikings
Why is it I think of the muppets singing Village People's "In the Navy" every time I think of the Vikings?
The stereotypical Scotsman is a redhead or what some may call ginger. In NZ we may call a redhead a "ginga" (with a hard g), why? just because we're strange that way, like when we call New Zealand "New Zillund". The Scottish are to some degree descended from Vikings (a caveat here; the name 'Scot' comes from an Irish tribe that invaded the land of the Picts (the Romans gave the Picts that name because they painted their faces and bodies with a blue dye obtained from a plant called woad -remember the movie 'Braveheart'?). Bagpipes and whiskey are Irish innovations not Scottish.
Many of the 'Coleens' (maidens) of Ireland are blonde beuties because the Vikings settled there also. Sure you get your dark, swarthy Irish - because Ireland is close to Spain.
The stereotypical English rose (maiden), think Princess Diana, again blonde. 'Danelaw' - i.e. a large chunk of England ruled by Vikings is worth referencing.
William 'the bastard' otherwise known as William 'the conqueror' (of England) was the grandson of Rollo. Rollo was a Viking - a Norseman (i.e. Northman) - he was given an area which came to be called Normandy, by Charles 'the simple' king of West Francia, so he would stop other Vikings from invading. The Vikings had in the past rowed up the Seine to attack Paris.
As you say the Vikings travelled the extensive river systems of Eastern Europe portaging between those flowing north and south then travelling most of the length of the Black Sea to trade their goods (mainly slaves, baltic amber and furs) in Constantinople (modern Istanbul).
At one time Varangians (Vikings) were the elite bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperor, there is a runic carving (i.e. Viking 'letters') in a handrail on an upper level of the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, dating from this time. I don't know what the carving says - probably "Erik was here" :).
The Varangians traded with the Kievian Rus, who are thought, by many historians, to be a mix of Viking people and Slavs. Rus is the root word for Russia, and Kiev is of course the capital of Ukraine.
"Where can you find pleasure"
"Search the world for treasure..."
@#$&% muppets!

plantsandplaster
  6/28/2020 09:39 EST

Coach53
Swedish Kings
Thank you for clearing up my confusion, between Karl (Charles) XII and Gustaf II Adolf.
So you have always been fast?
I wonder if the taxi driver was fast enough to ask for more money since he had more passengers? :)
Tack!

rebtop
  6/28/2020 09:41 EST

Really appreciate the knowledge you Both present. And the history lessons.

coach53
  6/28/2020 09:50 EST

plantsandplasters
"The Scottish are to some degree descended from Vikings"
Well. Wikings TOOK some land from the Scots. I suppouse people have got some mixed there since then :)
(As well as Wikings founded Dublin as a trade post and took and kept England.)

If I remember corect Irish are Kelts, same tribe as AngloSaxians pushed away, to Wales too. I claim all good looking of the English are Kelts or part Kelts :)

"William 'the bastard' otherwise known as William 'the conqueror' (of England) was the grandson of Rollo."
Yes my ancestors :) My mother's father's father's mother's father... the rest I don't remember in memory.
Rollo is shown wrong in the TV serie. He was so big (fat) so no horse could carry him so in Scandinavia he is called "Gånge Rolf" =Walking Rolf :)

"The Varangians traded with the Kievian Rus, who are thought, by many historians, to be a mix of Viking people and Slavs. Rus is the root word for Russia"
My ancestors blood lines too :)
Swedes were called "Rus" there, I guess by coming from Roslagen =part of Sweden closest to Russia.
One Wiking got to rule Russia. One of his Wiking "officer" were suppoused to go and do something for him, but chosed to take Kiew for himself to rule instead :)

I can claim rule right to almost all European countries by blood line (through a bastard line :) All Swedes can by aristocrats made maids pregnant, the hard part is to find the connection.

How did we get into this subject?? haha

ACEPoolPlayer
  6/28/2020 11:26 EST

Coach,
I don't pay much attention to most of your post. They are way too long and your English either throws me off or turns me off. I'm not sure which, maybe both.
Over the years I've also had some interest in the Kensington Runestone. "A copy of the inscription made it's way to the University of Minnesota Olaus J Breda, professor of Scandinavian Languages and Literatures in the Scandinavian Department, declared the stone to be a forgery and published a discrediting article in 1910. Breda also forwarded copies of the inscription to fellow linguists and historians in Scandinavia such as Oluf Rygh, Sophus Bugge, Gustav Storm, Magnus Olsen and Adolf Noreen. They Unanimously pronounced the Kensington inscription a fraud and forgery". In the 1950's Scandinavian linguist Sven Jansson, Erik Moltke, Harry Anderson, K.M. Nielson along with the popular book by Erik Wahlgren again questioned the Runestone's authenticity. It has since been confirmed as a hoax by historians!!!

coach53
  6/28/2020 12:52 EST

ACE
It's PROVEN RECENTLY these hoax claiming historians are WRONG.

"It has since been confirmed as a hoax by historians!!!"
It has been "confirmed" by historians, who don't know what they are talking about haha
and even if they have changed their mind, it's hard for them to admit they have been WRONG this many years...
They have claimed farmer Ohman, who found it, have made the stone himself,

When I heared of it many years ago these historians FOOLED me too :)
BUT the NEW is now have different SCIENTISTS PROVEN these historians are WRONG, because the stone has PROVEN been under a tree since long BEFORE Ohman came to USA...

/Scientist 1.
Tested the crumbles of the letters. The conclusion - It can IMPOSSIBLE happen so fast, so it's IMPOSSBLE Ohman can have done it.

/Scientist 2.
The stone has got line marks from big ROOTS of the tree, which was grown above the stone, locking the stone by it's roots so Ohman can't have digged and put it under. Ohman and his son found it when they cleared land at their farm. A RECENT invented test method can show differences in mineral percentage in parts of same stone. The test found significant differences in these root made lines compared to JUST BESIDE. That depend of when a tree is young, it take such minerals from the stone...
So same conclusion as scientist 1 =Impossible Ohman can have done it.

/A rune specialist pointed out the historians are wrong by they hadn't thought of DOTS at runes to mark a pronouncing difference. Such dots came during the period the stone is dated. Rune specialist scientists DIDN'T KNOW of this until around 1930, so how could a FARMER know that 1898 allready...? :)

Stones can't be carbon dated so it isn't proven it is from the year written at the stone, but it's PROVEN from much earlier than the historians claim....

As I said historians, who are convinced the stone is true, don't dare to risk their carriere by talking against the established "truth"...
But these new tests scientists aren't historians they are stone specialists, so they dare... haha

rebtop
  6/28/2020 13:53 EST

ACE. Post is too long. Can u make your point?

ACEPoolPlayer
  6/28/2020 14:10 EST

Coach,
The real question was never the age of the stone. It was the irregular print, and usage of words that was not consistent to the times. Maybe you need to write a book about it because you are obviously (like most topics) you are more knowledgeable than all the various expert around the world who have examined the inscription on the stone including many from Sweden.

plantsandplaster
  6/28/2020 23:51 EST

Hi Coach53
Sweden vs USA
In reference to a report joint funded by two Swedish universities contrasting the Swedish and U.S. paper industries, found at;
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0d17/fb6c3218f40d877be7137a301d541f246771.pdf
The report said that although the U.S. EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) in 1985 were the first people to detect low concentrations of dioxins (extremely toxic highly chlorinated hydrocarbons) in fish downstream of a few paper mills, it was the Swedish (and Scandinavian) paper producers that were the first to transition into Chlorine-free bleaching after the Swedes had developed the technology.
The main motivators for the Swedes - the German market was starting to demand paper that was not bleached by Chlorine and strong environmentalist pressure in Sweden. The Swedish government brought in laws to force major reductions in bleaching emissions.
Compare that to the response in the US, and here I quote from the report;
"...the absence of wide public debate (the cynic in me reads that as; "the absence of media coverage") together with the institutional regulatory style (I read that as"together with political lobbying") considerably delayed the process of substituting Chlorine in the U.S. industry. The U.S. pulp and paper industry strongly opposed the regulation proposed by the EPA..."
I also have visions of American hard cases* taking to the streets packing their snow white 3 -ply shouting that it is their constitutional right to do so and if God wanted them to use anything else he would have made excrement white instead.

*Lost in translation
When we say "hard case" in NZ we mean 'something' or 'someone' is funny.
When we say "joker" as in "he was a tall joker" we don't necessarily mean he was funny we just mean he's a "bloke" i.e. a man.
Confused?.......good.

coach53
  6/29/2020 05:04 EST

ACE
"The real question was never the age of the stone. It was the irregular print, and usage of words that was not consistent to the times"
Not the age of the stone, because that's millions of years :)
but the age of the RUNES.
These historians claimed it was a hoax MADE by Ohman who found the stone. So the NEW is it's PROVEN these historians are WRONG. So they can be wrong about the lingusistic too :) An explaination idea can be the writers had much higher education than other rune carvers or by having much more influences from different countries than normal by being extraordinary explorers.

"all the various expert around the world who have examined the inscription on the stone including many from Sweden."
And still they FAILED to notice the THIRD proof I wrote (=The one about the dots.) That PROVE the earlier denyers are WRONG concerning the runes, so they can be wrong about some words too...

"Maybe you need to write a book about it because you are obviously (like most topics) you are more knowledgeable than all the various expert around the world"
No, not about this. I just wrote what I have in memory of a new TV DOCUMENTARY. In Sweden it can be seen both at TV and at internet if paying. I don't know if it can be seen in USA too.
"THE AMERICAN RUNESTONE"
Finnished 2020. (I suppouse the cutting of the documentary was finnished 2020, filmed during 2019.)
The "progress force" is long time researcher about this stone the American Elroy Balgaard,
combined with the Swedish-American movie star Peter Stormare, who was just interested, but is good at convincing people so he opened some doors, geting some things allowed in days, which even one of the scientists HADN'T got in years to examine a core of the stone. That's how they got the second proof I wrote about earlier.
Together they made connection between different scientists and researchers.

((I have corected AMERICAN historians before about AMERICAN history though haha when I made research 20 years ago for a project about the American settling period around 1850-1900.
They claimed a false thing about price differences between different parts of USA, which I could prove wrong by showing them a document from the first American military posted at the west coast, which complained about prices :) (A bit BEFORE the gold rush started in San Fransisco. Then it of course became big difference.)

coach53
  6/29/2020 05:42 EST

plantsandplasters
Well. I don't aim at comparing Sweden with USA but I started protesting when Americans claim they are good at something they are terrible at haha
I were even called "hypocryt" (!!!) by one of them who still haven't answered how USA can claim they are fighting for democracy when they are supporting several dictators... :)

I complain at USA in forums where Americans read
AND I complain at Sweden in forums where Sweeds read...
Although there are A BIT less to complain about Sweden haha

Sweden are sure better than USA at most environmental things though, where USA often are "in denyal" about such too :)
BUT - I don't know how bad it is in USA - but Sweden is bad at admitting beams from mobile phones can be damaging. I guess because of Ericson is Swedish so officials don't want to complain at them to risk they move jobs abroad.

"I quote from the report;
"...the absence of wide public debate (the cynic in me reads that as; "the absence of media coverage") together with the institutional regulatory style (I read that as"together with political lobbying") "
I suppouse the first is similar to main American news channels don't tell when USA missbehave abroad.
The second I read as "together with BOUGHT politicians" :) Having their ELECTION CAMPAINS financed by big companies...
(There are A BIT such allowed in Sweden, smaller amounts and contributions have to be official so voters can see who not to vote at :)

"Lost in translation"
I learned recently - When an Australian say
-Yeah, nea.
that mean absolutly NO :) (And opposite for "Nea, yeah")

plantsandplaster
  6/29/2020 06:35 EST

Hi Coach53
The comparison was there to highlight the role of an informed public to bring about change. The German and Swedish people brought pressure to bear to force the pace of change. Having a responsible media is of course a key factor in creating an 'informed public'.
We NZ's once had a government that created divisions among it's people (Springbok tour 1981) and then went on to win a general election on a "Law and Order' platform. It is not a good thing for a country to go through, and if I believe I see the same thing happening elsewhere. I criticize it by making fun of it.
In these particularly difficult times I wish our American friends all the best for the future.

rebtop
  6/29/2020 07:08 EST

Plant. The immediate future of America is bleak. And I suspect it will get bleaker soon. Maybe reaching an existential moment.

mattinnorfolk
  6/29/2020 07:14 EST

Why don't the 3 or 4 antiques that have monopolized and ruined this forum, start your own whasapp thread and get off this forum you have ruined. We could change the name of this to The Philippines Forum and everyone will be happy and the forum could start fresh.

tlallen59
  6/29/2020 09:08 EST

I couldn't agree more Matt.

coach53
  6/29/2020 09:10 EST

plants
"Having a responsible media is of course a key factor in creating an 'informed public'."
Sweden count THREE powers
/politicians
/Justice system. The politicians make the laws but - in difference from USA - a NOT political elected justice system interpreete the laws by themselves, And the justice system can protest too when politicians try to make unfair laws.
/Media. Partly very critical against politicians and public service. Almost all documents from the public service and politics are public so journalist have much material to check. By that at least two Swedish top politicians have been kicked out.

- -
matt
"Why don't the 3 or 4 antiques that have monopolized and ruined this forum, start your own whasapp thread and get off this forum you have ruined."

You mean so the EARLIER forum dominating bullsh't talkers can write post without anyone protest...? haha

I still haven't got answer at
How can USA claim they are fighting for democrazy, when USA support dictators, when USA get more power by it...? :D

"antiques"
Do you know what that mean? :D
I'm much younger than at least one of them, who claim that democrazy bullsh't...

tombalita1
  6/29/2020 09:13 EST

Let’s talk about “fake news”. Trump is the first Republican to fight back. We’ve seen for years those that stay above the fray and get beaten down by Democrats and now by Leftists, but I repeat myself. Thank God for Fox News, talk radio and Twitter. How often have we seen the New York Times and others of their ilk come out with a front page lie and then retract it days later on page 55. When you hear the accusation “if this is true”, you can bet it hasn’t been verified yet. Multiple authors have been credited with saying “ A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth is Putting on Its Shoes. The U.S. has supported dictators since it’s founding when perceived to be in it’s best interest by whichever administration is in charge at the time. The Military Industrial Complex was something Eisenhower warned of after serving as the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. Pinochet, the Shah, Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak and the list goes on of dictators that we’ve supported. Some turn out better than others. Mubarak that we supported for many years kept the peace with Israel. When the Obama administration decided to throw him under the bus, Mohammed Morsi and the Islamic Brotherhood took charge in a supposed fair election. One year later he was overthrown. We played ball with the dictator in Iran and got the “Iran Deal”, what a disaster. The U.S., Russia and China play on the big world stage. The Russians annex Crimea, the Chinese taking islands in the South China Sea and spreading the Wuhan virus and we fight the Gulf War. I think we learned our lesson about “nation building” in the Middle East. Trump wants us out. You can cite our history with your Monday morning and armchair quarterbacking. When the superpowers act in their own interest, the rest of the world can comfortably sit back from their very small countries critiquing and criticizing. ----Tom

surfingcebu
  6/29/2020 10:16 EST

the way I see it is Americans are not Leftist Liberals . At least the 2nd and 3rd generation of Americans. They are larger than life free market people . NOT the Government controlled widgets , the Dems want to make you guys . The Dems ( the backers of the historical slave trade there ) really are out of touch with the REAL population base . Hence , I predict they will loose the election in November .

The USA IS and always will be the protectors of the Free world - something the WHO, UN, Germany, Belgium detest them for ! Germany now getting there oil and energy from Russia - does this not put the NATO agreement in peril ?( plus they never pay their share only half of what they should be paying ....) . Germany and Europe are using the charity of the USA - this should stop ! IF they want Russia as there rulers by taking energy from them . Let them .....BUT the USA should not import one German car !

Just some idol thoughts ,
Be safe out there guys - peace be with you all !

In North America right now , wow have things changed - its gotten worse , when I thought it already hit rock bottom ! Family, Police, respect, social Dacorum, respect for history and people in general , peoples beliefs, opinions and religions is at a all time low . "family Planning clinics" are Aborting babies ( mostly black) at a all time high ! The Dems must be proud of themselves - being the backers of baby killing clinics .

Glad I spend only half a year here .

Surf !

surfingcebu
  6/29/2020 10:22 EST

Redtop, why is it that the mobs attacked Christian churches , whilst Mohamed was the biggest slave owner ever and leader of this church , Jesus was not . In Fact the Christian faith forbids slaves , whilst the Koran is not the same at all in the regard .

The mosques got off Scott free ? Why ?

Is the mod Muslim leaning ? Obvious conclusion ....but that would fly in the face of equal treatment and very very respect for women , right ?


Surf!

coach53
  6/29/2020 16:20 EST

tombalitle
It seem you have started liking tRump :)
as you called him earlier.

"The U.S. has supported dictators since it’s founding when perceived to be in it’s best interest by whichever administration is in charge at the time."
Finaly one of the oppononents admit that. But still no answer at how can USA doing that AND claim "fighting for democrazy"...

"When the superpowers act in their own interest, the rest of the world can comfortably sit back from their very small countries critiquing and criticizing. "
A new American bullsh*t. The VICTIMS can't "comfortably sit back"...

plantsandplaster
  6/29/2020 17:01 EST

Hi Mattinnorfolk
An 'antique' is something that is normally rare and valuable. If you improved your vocabulary you may find in future that your personal insults have more effect.

mattinnorfolk
  6/29/2020 17:29 EST

I appreciate the correction, because I certainly do not want to imply anything of value from some on this thread. I was referring to this definition I found . (belonging to ancient times). You stand corrected! You will find in the English language there can be many uses or understanding from the same word. There is a feature you should have on your computer called Google. You can find out information about many things. Give it a try and play with it, and even you can likely figure it out as a paint by numbers guy.

LarryKar
  6/29/2020 17:58 EST

mattinnorfolk But my friend where would we go to find information about Vikings if not for this thread? Not to mention the real true history of Central and Eastern Europe? Philippine Expat Forum your one stop Fractured History Source.

plantsandplaster
  6/30/2020 04:06 EST

Hi mattinnorfolk
Congratulations! You are making progress! Your first four words "I appreciate the correction" was the response one would expect from an adult, the rest unfortunately was rather childish. It is good to see that you are now looking up the meaning/s of words. I suggest that you next look up the word 'semantics'. (The smell of burnt flesh now pervades the forum).
Hi tombalita1
You say "Let’s talk about “fake news", OK I will; Fox News' Tucker Carlson the other day said that 'defunding' the police meant (and I quote) "No police". Seriously tombalita is this the type of reporting that you base some of your opinions on? Garbage in....Garbage out.
I agree that US citizens are poorly served by many US news organisations.
The industrial-military complex in its pursuit of profit (remembering how many military types end up as lobbyists or with political appointments in the capital) has influenced US foreign policy to the degree that the US is regarded by many, if not all, other countries (Israel excepted) as ... to put it mildly; needlessly aggressive.
I appreciate that you did acknowledge that the U.S. has supported dictators.
Whereas; surfingcebu (Hi)
When you write "The USA IS (sic) and always will be the protectors of the Free world" is simply two wrongs from the 'right'.
I imagine that some victim of Pinochet's vicious regime, having been tortured with electrical cables attached to his testicles, on being tossed out a helicopter, yelled as he plummeted towards the Pacific Ocean without a parachute; "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty I am free at last!”

coach53
  6/30/2020 06:18 EST

LarryKar
"where would we go to find information about Vikings if not for this thread? Not to mention the real true history of Central and Eastern Europe? Philippine Expat Forum"
As I wrote in a post earlier I wondered how we got to theese subjects :)
BUT earlier this forum were about the Philippines AND USA... haha

" your one stop Fractured History Source"
Many Americans obviously need History lessons,
by you obviously need a New Zealander and a Swede to teach you about AMERICAN history... haha

- -
mattinnorfolk
"I was referring to this definition I found . (belonging to ancient times)."
But your interpreetion of that definition is wrong too, or do you count 20 years as ancient...? haha

plantsandplaster
  6/30/2020 06:30 EST

Hi tombalita1

You wrote;
"...Mubarak that we supported for many years kept the peace with Israel. When the Obama administration decided to throw him under the bus..."
President Hosni Mubarak resigned on February 11, 2001, following 18 days of protests by the Egyptian people, the citizens were demanding democracy.
What should Obama have done?
1. Made a speech saying he supports Mubarak and tell the Egyptian people "sorry when it comes to choices between supporting dictators or democracy the US has in the past got far better profit from dictators"
2. Offer to sell Mubarak some 'previously loved' armoured personnel carriers real cheap?
3. Threatened sanctions if status quo* was not kept
3. Invaded the country after an extensive bombing campaign
4. All of the above

* status is the brother of quid pro

tombalita1
  6/30/2020 07:49 EST

Matt, don't take it seriously, he's a lib.--Tom

tombalita1
  6/30/2020 08:25 EST

P&P,
Being tossed out of Pinochet's helicopter without a parachute or waiting for reinforcements that never showed up in Benghazi, both terrible ways to die. We have been the protectors of the free world even in situations where they don't want our protection. However, after 244 years, it looks like we have learned the hard lesson that some would rather live under dictators and monarchs. China and Russia will be there to inflict their interests in our absence. We should have let Iran and Iraq fight each other endlessly. Lucky we were there to push Saddam out of Kuwait, no one else would have. As always, hindsight is 20-20. Tom

tombalita1
  6/30/2020 08:48 EST

Coach, are you a victim of the Americans?--Tom

coach53
  6/30/2020 10:52 EST

tombalitle
"Being tossed out of Pinochet's helicopter without a parachute ...We have been the protectors of the free world"
What a bullshi't!!! Everyone, who has any intelligence, see in that short text you talk AGAINST YOURSELF... :D

To all IGNORANT Americans about the crap USA has done:
Chile had a DEMOCRATIC elected government when USA took side AGAINST DEMOCRACY by supporting the military junta DICTATORS...

"Lucky we were there to push Saddam out of Kuwait, no one else would have"
hahahaha
How stupid/ignorant can some Americans be...?
FACT: It was USA, who made Saddam Hussein STRONG by support so he could build his very modern army...

"Matt, don't take it seriously, he's a lib."
Undepemding of if you ment it to plants or me - Will you very stupid posts never end? :D
So you mean everyone with political oppinions left of the American republicans are wrong? That's almost the whole world... hahaha

"Coach, are you a victim of the Americans?"
What a STUPID question!!!
What has that to do with the for USA embarrassing FACTS I'm telling?

You haven't answered :D
How can USA claim fighting for democracy/freedom, when SUPPORTING DICTATORS when it give MORE POWER to USA...?

plantsandplaster
  6/30/2020 19:42 EST

Hi tombalita1
Kuwait
The following quotes are from;
Mechanisms of Western Domination: A Short History of Iraq and Kuwait
by David Klein California State University in 2003
(full article on http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html)

"Over a period of decades, and especially in recent years, Britain and the U.S. have consciously manipulated tensions in the region and have masterfully set into motion sequences of events leading to the Iraqi invasions (of Iran and Kuwait)".
"Throughout the nineteenth century and up to World War I, Kuwait ... was an integral part of Iraq".
"As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes". (re my earlier post mentioning the Sykes-Picot agreement).
"The Iraq Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity, "Kuwait" from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922. This new British colony, Kuwait, was given artificial boundaries with no basis in history or geography".
"King Faisal I of the new Iraqi state ruled under British military oversight, but his administration never accepted the amputation of the Kuwait district and the denial of Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf. Attempts by Faisal to build a railway to Kuwait and port facilities on the Gulf were vetoed by Britain. These and other similar British colonial policies made Kuwait a focus of the Arab national movement in Iraq, and a symbol of Iraqi humiliation at the hands of the British."
"A popular uprising within Kuwait to reunify with Iraq erupted on March 10, 1939. The Kuwaiti Sheik, with British military support and "advisers," crushed the uprising, and killed or imprisoned its participants"
"Following World War II, British rule was gradually replaced by U.S. neo-colonial domination of the Middle East. The new state of Israel became an important instrument for U.S. control of Middle Eastern oil in the post war era. With the U.S./Israeli sponsored coup of 1953 that deposed Mossadegh, the popularly elected president of Iran, and installed the Shah in his place, the U.S. became the dominant imperial power in the region".
"In 1955 ... Nuri es-Said (prime minister of Iraq) ...began secret negotiations with the U.S. and Britain for the return of Kuwait to Iraq in order to placate Iraqi national sentiment".
1958 "... Great Britain had "approved in principle" the unification of Kuwait and Iraq".
Yet "...on July 14, 1958 in a revolution led by General Abdel Karim Qassim. King Faisal II (king of Iraq) and Nuri es-Said were executed, and Britain immediately thereafter abrogated the agreement to return Kuwait to Iraq"
"The new government lifted the ban on the Iraqi Communist Party, and that modest step toward democracy in turn mobilized the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. CIA director Alan Dulles assigned the job of incapacitating Qassim to the euphemistically named Technical Services Division (TDS) of the CIA. The head of the TDS in 1960, Stanley Gottlieb, initiated a program to assassinate Qassim. One failed assassination attempt in this context was made by Saddam Hussein.
1963, "... Qassim was killed and his government overthrown in a CIA supported coup led by the Baath Party".
1965 "...Saddam and his Baathist supporters succeeded in seizing state power, all with CIA backing. What followed was a slaughter of the left, including the murder and torture of Iraqi Communist Party members and trade unionists". (Sound familiar?).
"Throughout the 1970s, Iraq offered compromises to Kuwait's rulers that would enable Iraq to gain access to its former islands in the Gulf. But no agreements were reached, and the floating border separating the two countries crept northward".
1979 "Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser, proposed to Saddam Hussein that he invade Iran and annex Khuzistan, thereby providing Iraq access to the Gulf".
"...in the Iran Iraq war, and unbeknownst to Hussein, the U.S. and Israel also secretly armed the Iranians so as to weaken both Iran and Iraq" (I mentioned before the US was selling arms to Saddam and Iran was getting US Stinger SAMs as well).
"Iraq had been removed from the U.S. State Department's list of alleged sponsors of terrorism in 1982, and Iraq went on a buying spree to purchase weapons from U.S. and German companies. These weapons were used in 1988 for attacks against the Kurds". (The Germans were selling them precursors for chemical weapons - this became the excuse for not allowing Iraq hospitals access to vaccines when sanctions were introduced).*
"While Iraq was distracted by (the 8 year war with Iran) ...Kuwait had accumulated 900 square miles of Iraqi territory by advancing its border with Iraq northward. This was presented to Iraq as a 'fait accompli' and it gave Kuwait access to the Rumaila oil field. The Kuwaiti Sheik had purchased the Santa Fe Drilling Corporation of Alhambra, California, for $2.3 billion and proceeded to use its slant drilling equipment to gain access to the Iraqi oil field."
"By 1990, Kuwait, under U.S. tutelage had increased its oil production to undermine OPEC quotas thereby driving the price of Iraqi oil down ... and further ruining the Iraqi economy. Appeals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, and other countries to the Emirates, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Egypt to stick to OPEC production levels were met with increased naval activity in the Persian Gulf by the United States."
"In spite of Iraqi diplomatic appeals, Kuwait and the Emirates increased oil production, harming their own economic interests, but damaging Iraq's even more so. Kuwait refused to relinquish Iraqi territory it had acquired during the Iran Iraq war which Kuwait had helped finance. Kuwait also rejected production quotas and rejected appeals to cease pumping oil from Iraq's Rumaila oil reserve."
On September 18, 1990, the Iraqi Foreign Ministry published verbatim the transcripts of meetings between Saddam Hussein and high level U.S. officials. Knight-Ridder columnist James McCartney acknowledged that the transcripts were not disputed by the U.S. State Department. U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie informed Hussein that, "We have no opinion on...conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait." She reiterated this position several times, and added, "Secretary of State James Baker has directed our official spokesman to emphasize this instruction." A week before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Baker's spokesperson, Margaret Tutwiler and Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly both stated publicly that "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked."
"Two days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly testified before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee that the United States has no defense treaty relationship with any Gulf country." The New York Daily News editorialized on September 29, 1990, "Small wonder Saddam concluded he could overrun Kuwait. Bush and Co. gave him no reason to believe otherwise."
I have no time for dictators, particularly the likes of Saddam Hussein, yet as Coach53 has stated- for the well-being of the rest of the world -some British and American people need to realise, that although they may think of themselves as liberators of the oppressed (thanks to movies and other media), their governments have instead, for over a century, had their knees on the throat of Miiddle Eastern peoples.

*Apparently when I earlier wrote 1 million Iraqi babies have died from the lack of vaccines because of punitive sanctions, I may have exaggerated, the following article (written in 2010) says half a million. For more info on sanctions https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v32/n14/andrew-cockburn/worth-it
I am sure even the death of just 500,000 innocents distresses surfingcebu, as well, considering his opinions on abortion clinics.

rebtop
  6/30/2020 19:55 EST

Plant. A Book. Publish it and I will buy it. Others on this thread would rather look at pictures lined side by side. Doonesbury is probably the only comic strip they haven’t read.

tombalita1
  6/30/2020 20:52 EST

Reb,

It's all out there on the net. The websites are given in the posts.- - Tom

tombalita1
  6/30/2020 21:00 EST

Plants, good read. Someone sent me this some time ago. Interesting reading although a little long. Wanted to get your thought as well as others. - - - - -
insite: PROFOUND WORDS
It appears that nature is starting to take revenge at the developed world's disregard for its Co2 emissions, but it seems that it is taking it out on the wrong people. When we choose to have less children and the churches realize this, the sooner we will avoid a similar fate! Kevin Myers (born 30 March 1947) is an Irish journalist and writer. He writes for the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, having previously been a columnist for the Irish Independent and a former contributor to The Irish Times, where he wrote the "An Irishman's Diary" opinion column several times weekly. Until 2005, he wrote for the UK Sunday Telegraph. His articles criticize left-wing opinion and the "liberal consensus", sometimes incorporating hyperbole, sarcasm and parody. This essay appeared in The Irish Independent: Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster.
The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organizations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. There are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It's just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organizations, over the past 50 years. So the effects of any drought now is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year. Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child's life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ . Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population who cannot be educated, let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster. We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbors, and their environment as well.
This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation. So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan.
Is this the beginning of the end of civilization? AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa -- apart from AIDS and new diseases. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilization in Zimbabwe, the begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again.
It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.
Now they want to move to other countries to continue to breed and commit crime. To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving. Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals; a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority.
It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously. So be it. But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison! Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules plane, Ethiopia's population has more than doubled. Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by borrowing it from the World Bank!
This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or common sense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etc. Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, decisive chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast Savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS. Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources and causing catastrophic ecological degradation.
By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country? How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them? Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity! But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts. Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland). Germany and the rest of Europe is already inundated and there are literally millions queuing up who want a hand out, taking in refugees because you feel sorry for them will end in the demise of those countries taking part. You will note that; No Gulf State is taking any refugees, and the head of the human rights commission is from Saudi Arabia !

rebtop
  7/1/2020 04:47 EST

Tom. You posted quite a rant. A frustration filled rant. On its face, it is more objective than subjective. The minds of that time blamed all the ills of that world on population. It was a correct analysis then and still is, in my opinion. Is man just an animal? If so, it is survival of the fittest. But does man have a sole? Special in Gods eyes? Is there a God? Saint Thomas Aquinas questioning about God and the role of faith in the Catholic Church, and life, is relevant today. Me? I think the world cannot physically support an exponentially growing population. Natural or man made selection will have to happen, SOON.

tlallen59
  7/1/2020 06:44 EST

plantsandplaster Very informative post and worth the long read.

tombalita1
  7/1/2020 07:49 EST

Reb, yes that Irish author seemed to be pretty frustrated with a lot. I think many would agree with him, but wouldn't come out and say it for fear of seeming heartless. IMHO.- - Tom

plantsandplaster
  7/2/2020 04:31 EST

Hi tombalita1

Re Kevin Myers' essay.

I'll try and avoid the self-righteous hand wringing yet I could never promise to avoid hyperbole, sarcasm and parody :)
Thomas Malthus (1766–1834)
English economist and demographer;
"Argued that population, tending to grow at a geometric (a type of exponential) rate, will ever press against the food supply, which at best increases only arithmetically, and thus poverty and misery are forever inescapable."
"...it was the reading of (Malthaus') essay (on the Principle of Population) that sparked the idea of natural selection by survival of the fittest in the minds of both Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace." (i.e.the Theory of Evolution). My source:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Thomas-Malthus-on-population-1987927
To quote Malthus
If it be generally considered as so discreditable to receive parochial (limited) relief, that great exertions are made to avoid it, ...and few or none marry with a certain prospect of being obliged to have recourse to it, (i.e. if people breed when they can afford to), there is no doubt that those who were really in distress might be adequately assisted, with little danger of a constantly increasing proportion of paupers; and in that case a great good would be attained...
I to am of the: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime" mindset.
If we improve local services e.g build a water pump in a village, we give Africans (particularly women) more opportunities to improve their education. By investing in the education of people we give them more opportunities to improve their lives, including their health, their incomes and ability to be self determining e.g. choosing whether they are going to become pregnant or not. When their lives are improved people have more faith in their future well-being. And if they feel confident that they will be cared for by their community they will tend to have less children as an insurance against being destitute in their old age.

As the saying goes I'm half Irish and half Scottish - I like to drink but I don't like to pay for it.

rebtop
  7/2/2020 05:47 EST

Plant. Only wish it was so simple. Prejudice is part of our DNA. Tribal. Even within tribes. The hate for our fellow countrymen in the US is astounding. I would not be surprised if there is a mini-civil war in December when tRump loses in a landslide. Those people are already forming mobs and carrying long guns to county government offices. I am of the other persuasion and also have a gun, but do not carry, in Florida I can. The real silent majority.

coach53
  7/2/2020 07:54 EST

"When their lives are improved people have more faith in their future well-being. And if they feel confident that they will be cared for by their community they will tend to have less children as an insurance against being destitute in their old age."
I checked some years ago. Then said the national comparing the Philippines were among the worst with 6 kids per family in average.

Now (estimated for 2017) for Phils say 3 ! according to
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate
say only 2.6 for 2018 !

Realy that fast improvement?

plantsandplaster
  7/2/2020 17:27 EST

Hi rebtop.

I would never like to meet a deer in the American bush - they must be tough buggers, apparently it takes 20 rounds to knock them over,

I have a theory on why the US has so many guns in private hands, despite averaging one mass shooting a day - the victims of gun crimes are predominantly young black men those that make the laws are predominantly older white men - ain't hard to join the dots.

Hi Coach53

My Filipino wife has 5 siblings. I have to partly blame the Roman Catholic church for that.....just to avoid confusion; I meant the RC ban on contraceptives.

mattinnorfolk
  7/2/2020 17:33 EST

Someone needs to step in and just stop the lies being thrown around this thread, they have nothing remotely close to the truth. They should be held responsible for their lies.

plantsandplaster
  7/2/2020 23:36 EST

Mark Twain is attributed with the following;

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

"Compared with white men, the researchers found that black men experienced 27 more firearm homicides per 100,000 people annually nationwide (29.12 for black men vs. 2.1 for white men)".
Source: Annals of Internal Medicine (April 2018)

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that of the 12,979 firearm homicides in 2015..... black Americans are, on average, eight times more likely to be killed by firearms than those who are white".
Source:'The Conversation' (Nov.8 2017).

"Almost 3,000 children are shot and killed every year in the United States, with guns taking the lives of 10 times more Black children than White children (Fowler, Dahlberg, Haileyesus, Gutierrez, & Bacon, 2017)".
Source: NCFR (National Council on Family Relations)
'Gun Violence and the Minority Experience' (2018 report compiled by
Yolanda T. Mitchell, Ph.D.; and Tiffany L. Bromfield, MA.

"From 1980 to 2013, 262,000 black males were killed in America. By contrast, roughly 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam".
Source 'The Atlantic' (Sept. 2015).

As I said: "...the victims of (US) gun crimes are predominantly young black men..." I thought I was stating the obvious, in future I will make allowances for stupid people.

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  7/3/2020 00:55 EST

mattinnorfolk
"Someone needs to step in and just stop the lies being thrown around this thread, they have nothing remotely close to the truth. They should be held responsible for their lies."
Do you mean them, who claim USA fight for democracy/freedom? hahaha
when the truth is USA have supported several dictators to get more power to USA...

I knew since before even big part of Americans with college/university exams are very ignorant about the rest of the world and even about the embarrasing parts of AMERICAN history!!! haha
Several of the American posters in this forum confirm that...

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