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joegambler0
4/3/2019 20:18 EST

Hi everyone, I have dual citizenship and plan to move from Florida USA to Minas Gerais in a year. I have a million questions, but right now I need help most getting some reputable shippers that also do all the paper brokering. I am not finding a lot and when I do they don't want to quote without an exact Brazil address or the quote goes from barely affordable to ridiculesly high. I want a 20 or 40' container door to door and I will pack or if not affordable, just take bare necessities and ship in a few big crates. Please respond if you used one recently, if you made the move years and years ago it might not be very helpful. Thanks.

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pensadenos
4/5/2019 15:40 EST

Wouldn't that depend on the person(s) moving to Brazil to decide what is important. Furniture in Brazil is either high end or low end and no middle. So it is either cheap or very expensive. I owned a Jacuzzi (5 person 220v) for 20 year and there is no place in Brazil to buy an equal quality Jacuzzi. So should the person moving evaluate the cost of purchasing these items vs shipping. Sure, but in the end it is up to that person to decide. My biggest concern is the bribes that must be paid in order for the dock workers to off load your container. And then there is Federal Customs that may choose to park your container saying they may inspect it. But after holding it for 30 days they released it upon me paying the dock company $900.00 USD for storage fees. You know that someone got a cut on that money!

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Brazil16
4/5/2019 15:40 EST

I agreed with FloridaguyinBrazil. I been come to Brazil for 4 years now being able to live here continues over a year. Here are a couple things to consider. If you are using dollars the rate is 3.86 Reals to 1 dollar. Most things like furniture beds is very close to same as US or even cheaper. The one thing I did bring were cell phone IPad computer if you need it. Electronics TV seem more expensive here. Clothes are equal or cheaper and cars seem to be the most expensive.. I came here with clothes and shoes only and the cell phone, iPad and computer. My wife has a house but I did furnished it with TV’s washer , Beds, couches, dinning Tables chairs. We are now working on a custom kitchen cabinet and granite counters. If your thinking of these things to import probably more costly and trouble then they will save you in cost. Sell them in US if possible use the dollars here on the exchange. Like credit card are excepted for most the items I described.

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joegambler0
4/5/2019 17:28 EST

You: FloridaGuyBrazil is exactly the kind of person that keeps people like me from posting on forums. Did you give me any helpful suggestions like Pensadenos or Brazil16? No, just your worthless opinion and on top of that decide to tell me off like you know anything about me. Maybe you have never acquired anything in your life worth shipping, good or bad for you, I am different. I have the wrong mentality to move to another country because I asked for recommendations for shipping companies? WOW, some attitude. I have the perfect mentality to move, my mother passed away and left me a house in Belo H. that needs looking after also my father has a farm near Montes C. that I have to oversee. I plan to buy a off grid piece of property, setup temporary shelter and build a house and retire at age 53. Yep, sounds like the wrong mentality to me. So what do I have so important to ship. How about a lifetime of books, before e-books became the thing, yes smart people read, how about thousands of pictures, because that's my wife's thing, how about thousands of dollars of hand tools, electric tools, saws, cement mixer, compressor, sand blaster, etc. You know tools that might come in handy when I build I house myself. What about high speed blender, portable sauna, massage tables, food dehydrator, bread maker, small appliances, micro green growing equipment, mini trampoline, stuff to keep your only body that you have healthy, something you probably know nothing about. How about the $1000 telescope I got for my wife's birthday because she wanted one for 9 years. Does that answer your question? Great advice, sell all my stuff for pennies on the dollar on CL and then move and never be able to replace it because of the availability of goods or the selection or the orices in Brazil. Some people really should think before opening their mouths.

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mchrismsw
4/6/2019 14:01 EST

You hit on the nose. As Americans in general, we accumulate to much stuff and we get attached to it. Often times, stuff becomes more important than people or whats really best for us.

I am going through that process now. I am cashing out in the USA, and moving. The process of selling my home getting rid of my stuff, is anxiety producing here is a technique that helped me.

1. I asked myself did I have anything that really could not be replaced?

2. I asked myself, if I could only take 2 suitcases were of things what would those things be?

This exercises really helped me bring clarity for me.

I completely agree, whether it Brazil or some other place, you have to let go of the "Stuff" or it will hold you back and if you can't maybe starting a new chapter somewhere else is not for you.

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mchrismsw
4/6/2019 14:18 EST

First of best wished and may GOD be with you whatever you decide. But I think everyone's answer even Floridaguy has added value to this forum.

It may not be the advice you want, but it's an alternative perspective, but not the only choice, we are different and we all wear different sized hats.

That being said, here are some general suggestions:

1, Bring only what is truly valuable to you. There is a feeling of liberty that comes with downsizing, But what ever "You feel" is necessary, bring with you.

2. https://www.parcl.com/

https://labs.ebanx.com/en/ecommerce/international-shipping-a-guide-on-shipping-to-brazil-from-usa/

https://www.icontainers.com/ocean-freight/brazil/

Here are a few links that might help you get clarity, the Icontianers transport shipping containers.

In my research for my reply, I did seem that it can be costly. I hope this helps.

Also I suggest that going Quara and reviewing what worked for other did might help.

Also contact the American or Brazilian embassy and see if they have any referrals for companies that fit your niche.

Let us know how it all works out or if you find a great source that might be able to help the next guy.

Best
Michael.

Here is some information

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joegambler0
4/6/2019 19:11 EST

Thanks for all the info and links, I appreciate it. I wasn't ticked off at FloridaGuyinBrazil because he told me what I didn't want to hear. What pissed me off was his tone and attitude, almost like he was giving me a speech or telling me off for just posting a question asking for help without knowing anything about me. Sorry, but I won't tolerate that. Everyone else basically said the same thing as FloridaGuy, don't bring a lot of stuff because it's expensive, but you don't see me tongue lashing anyone else. Many different ways to say the same thing. That's why I said some people just need to think first before speaking. Again thanks everyone, I got a lot of work ahead of me.

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Marlington
4/7/2019 11:25 EST

Hello! We have moved 4 times to and from Brazil and the UK with container and dogs. I perfectly understand joegamblers0's thinking. It is not just a matter of quality and price. There is also that feeling of identity that OUR things give us, a feeling of continuity. I even brought the garden gate in the last move. Identity is really important as is that warm sense of belonging especially when your move may be permanent as joegambler0's seems to be. I cannot give advise on current shipping costs because our last move was 20 years ago and in those days it was totally worth the GBD 4000 we paid. But those costs become irrelevant when the stuff you are moving means so much to the family.

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mchrismsw
4/7/2019 21:36 EST

Totally understandable, Joyce Meyers always says the same thing, its not what you say, its how you say it that matters.

God bless you on this next chapter in your life.

Michael

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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT vote
FROM votes
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
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votecount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
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FROM votes
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votebadcount (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navvote_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT vote
FROM votes
WHERE voteid = 522943
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getclasscheck (Datasource=tipripper, Time=25ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navrightmidcolumn_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
	SELECT answersphoto.photo, answersphoto.answerid, answersphoto.qid, answers.rid, allreports.networkname, allreports.networkid, allreports.city, allreports.state
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getpropertyslugs (Datasource=tipripper, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT *
FROM topics
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getclass (Datasource=tipripper, Time=22ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
	SELECT DISTINCT answersphoto.photo, answersphoto.answerid, answersphoto.qid, answers.rid, allreports.networkname, allreports.networkid, allreports.city, allreports.state
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getprice (Datasource=tipripper, Time=3ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
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getbed (Datasource=tipripper, Time=3ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
	SELECT DISTINCT answerstext.answer, answerstext.answerid, answerstext.qid
	FROM answerstext
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getbath (Datasource=tipripper, Time=3ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
	SELECT DISTINCT answerstext.answer, answerstext.answerid, answerstext.qid
	FROM answerstext
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getlocationtag1 (Datasource=tipripper, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT shortname, networkname, networkid
FROM Networks
WHERE networkid = '24'
getrentorsale (Datasource=tipripper, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT DISTINCT qoptions.value, qoptions.qoid
FROM qoptions, answersmc
WHERE answersmc.qid = 133
AND answersmc.answerid = '78854'
AND answersmc.qoid = qoptions.qoid
getpropertytype (Datasource=tipripper, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT DISTINCT qoptions.value, qoptions.qoid
FROM qoptions, answersmc
WHERE answersmc.qid = 130
AND answersmc.answerid = '78854'
AND answersmc.qoid = qoptions.qoid
getfurnished (Datasource=tipripper, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navpropertybox_interim_main_new_rdesign5.cfm @ 21:37:39.039
SELECT DISTINCT qoptions.value, qoptions.qoid
FROM qoptions, answersmc
WHERE answersmc.qid = 132
AND answersmc.answerid = '78854'
AND answersmc.qoid = qoptions.qoid


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