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adminee
3/2/2020 08:38 EST

We are starting a thread for expats in Colombia to share information and concerns about Coronavirus. If you would like to post an update and let others know what is happening in your area, we encourage you to do so. What type of precautions are being taken at airports? medical facilities? schools? If you are being told by authorities to make any preparations, what are they telling you.

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Elexpatriado
3/2/2020 09:30 EST

more Nervous Nellies

Even ifeverybody in the world got ot (extremely remotely unlikely)it would only stop world population growth for one (1) year

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Elexpatriado
3/2/2020 09:32 EST

Well at least this gets the "Sky is falling" global warming alarmists out of the news for a while

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WhoaNellie
3/2/2020 13:35 EST

A little perspective.

According to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) estimates in the USA, the yearly common flu virus illnesses have occurred in 32-45 million so far, with 310,000-560,000 hospitalizations, and with 18,000-46,000 deaths:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

In contrast so far in the USA, we have had 2 - TWO - deaths from the coronavirus, with 91 people reported as infected.

This number will likely rise since during the incubation period of 2 weeks or more, one can be infected and spreading the virus without showing any symptoms:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/us-coronavirus-cases-monday/index.html

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Electricista
3/2/2020 18:05 EST

At this time in China, no one under age nine is showing symptoms. Only one percent of those showing symptoms are under the age of 19. 8% of those showing symptoms are between 19 and 29. 82% are 30 and above. This virus is basically targeting mature adults. Hopefully my immaturity will keep me immune.

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Electricista
3/2/2020 18:20 EST

My numbers above did not add up therefore here are the official numbers that add up to 100%.

<10 years 1.0%
10-19 years 1.0%
20-29 years 8.0%
30-79 years 87.0%
?80 years 3.0%

https://qz.com/1810299/can-kids-get-coronavirus/

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SoDelft
3/2/2020 18:34 EST

This is an entirely new or novel virus. We have no latent or natural immunity to it.Think how many flu deaths and sickness we would have without a new vaccine every year so we are comparing apples and bananas. This may be a designer virus escaping out of a biolab. Another important difference is that a person can contact the same disease more than once in the same season. and infected people are asymptomatic while shedding the virus.

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wistundera11
3/2/2020 19:54 EST

From what I've read, This virus like the other viruses will dissipate as the weather warms up. Viruses thrive in cool dry conditions.

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Elexpatriado
3/3/2020 07:47 EST

Number of cases in China have peaked and ebbed in a bell curve.

Same will happen in the rest of the world.

Media is blowing this out of proportion as usually.

This wil be over in a couple months if not a few weeks

People watching too.many sci- fi movies

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cprmetro
3/3/2020 20:11 EST

Lessons from Wuhan anyone ?
This is not your run of the mill Flu Virus. It is a designer Virus courtesy of a China BioLab. Why do you think the response from the China Gov't was so very strong, costly and heavy handed? Once they new the source, the Wuhan lab, they new exactly what they were dealing with since they designed it.

- Very contagious
- Can transmit when Asymtomatic
- 14 day+ incubation period

Can explode and easily outstrip ALL the ICU resources of a city in no time flat. That is the issue.

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JustSomeGuy
3/3/2020 21:11 EST

Sure, but it only kills the old and the sick and doesn’t even infect folks of military age. What a lousy weapon, it pisses off your enemy and does nothing to degrade their ability to make war. What kind of moron would invent such a weapon?

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cprmetro
3/3/2020 21:17 EST

Good point but who said it was a Bio-Weapon ? If it was, they would have had a vaccine for their own people.

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JustSomeGuy
3/3/2020 21:32 EST

Well, the hypothesis is that it came from a bio lab, that it is intentional. So what is it? A new zero grandparent policy? A way to avoid old age pensions? A novel way to ruin their own economy?

The immorality is believable but the required incompetence is a stretch. Makes me think it is just evolution of something in “nature”

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cprmetro
3/3/2020 22:04 EST

No one said it was intentional ... where did you read that? Pure bio research happens all the time. Development of anything takes time and has stages. Maybe it was a not ready for prime time Bio-Weapon that escaped due to one dumb arse lab worker who broke protocols. Anyones guess.. but its apparent the Chinese gov't knew exactly what they were dealing and that heavy handed action was required, UNLIKE a normal flu.

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cprmetro
3/3/2020 22:32 EST

"Another important difference is that a person can contact the same disease more than once in the same season. "

I think this is total BS. If this were true NO vaccine would be viable . The real issue is that the tests they are using now are not sensitive enough to detect a low viral load. Its not that they were re-infected, its that they never got rid of it entirely.

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JustSomeGuy
3/3/2020 22:44 EST

“It is a designer Virus courtesy of a China BioLab.”
“they new exactly what they were dealing with since they designed it. “

Design kind of implies intentional, don’t you think? Have you unintentionally designed something?

“Good point but who said it was a Bio-Weapon ?”
You rather implied it was a weapon when you rattled off the list of features in this designer virus. So far weapon is the only possibility you have put forward. If it is a weapon it was aimed squarely at their own feet.

I think you are being mildly disingenuous. Not that I mind really, it is a ridiculous line of reasoning after all.

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cprmetro
3/3/2020 23:22 EST

When I referred to "intent" I mean intent with regard to release it into the general population., ie " un-intentional as in accident".

It probably was from an early stage bio-weapons program, but I didn't mention anything about a Bio weapon in my initial post.

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Pedroal
3/3/2020 23:58 EST

Ah, those Chinese are tricky, aren't they?
They were apparently able to contain it because China isn't a free country and find it much easier to have citizens quarantined in their homes, sick or not.
Medical experts don't even know for sure at this point if it dies down during the warmer months. I can't imagine things will be good when it hits countries in Latin America that don't have a good public health system. We can only hope this response IS overblown, but I think too much attention is far better than too little.
For me, I've been sick enough this winter and am going to stay away from crowds and travel until I feel more comfortable about all this.
That's my take on it, anyway.

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elpdiver
3/4/2020 00:43 EST

It's potential as a financial cannot be denied.

LPd

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Wildstubby
3/4/2020 08:54 EST

elpdiver said, "It's potential as a financial cannot be denied."
Wow! Is there truth in that statement! The big eye-opener is the 'before/after' photo of China by the ISS of air pollution!
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-changes-pollution-over-china.html

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cprmetro
3/4/2020 08:57 EST

"They were apparently able to contain it because China isn't a free country and find it much easier to have citizens quarantined in their homes, sick or not."

exactly... I'm sure the Gov't lawyers are reviewing all options short of Martial Law now. Watch the American Civil Liberty lawyers file a lawsuit to block any action like this from Trump, and probably WIN ... ;-((

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Electricista
3/4/2020 14:31 EST

??????.
Just testing if this board accepts Chinese characters.

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JustSomeGuy
3/4/2020 14:45 EST

The link that Wildstubby posted:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-changes-pollution-over-china.html
Debunks all of the nonsense that cprmetro is pushing.

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cprmetro
3/4/2020 15:08 EST

LOL
what are you talking about ?? LOL

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dumluk
3/4/2020 15:41 EST

But remember, one thing much more important, it will facilitate much more control measures, just like 9/11 and the Patriot acts......and all the rest which followed......and keep getting renewed.....

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LaPiranha
3/4/2020 15:41 EST

Why all the fuss ???

I'm safe. I don't drink Corona.

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cprmetro
3/4/2020 17:13 EST

"But remember, one thing much more important, it will facilitate much more control measures, just like 9/11 and the Patriot acts"

Hopefully NOT mandatory vaccinations !! I am moving to Mars if it comes to that.

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PFleetwood
3/4/2020 17:33 EST

Well, be sure to let us know if Mars is affordable for retirees and what the women look like!

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testolas
3/6/2020 16:14 EST

06/03/2020
Press Bulletin No. 046 of 2020

-The patient came to health services in the country where, under strict protocols, testing was developed.

Bogotá, March 6, 2020. The Ministry of Health and Social Protection confirms the first case of COVID-19 in the national territory after the analyzes performed on a 19-year-old patient.

The citizen, from Milan, Italy, presented symptoms and went to the health services where the samples were taken for the respective analysis. Given this, the National Institute of Health confirmed positive test results.

During this week, the Minister of Health and Social Protection, Fernando Ruiz Gómez, met with Secretaries of Health of the country, EPS, IPS, insurers and associations to establish the Plan of response to the entry of coronavirus to Colombia, so all from now on, territories must activate their contingency plan to face this global health challenge.

The Ministry of Health and Social Protection is responsible for informing citizens of confirmed cases in the country.

According to the most recent report, 85 countries have reported cases in the world, including Mexico, Ecuador, Brazil, Chile and Peru.

The country has been preparing for more than eight weeks to face the arrival of the new COVID-19 coronavirus.

This has been developed by the National Emergency Committee and self-care campaigns by citizens based on handwashing.

This completes the preparation phase and the containment phase is activated in the national territory.

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fecherklyn
3/6/2020 17:39 EST

How strange - No virus victims so far in Venezuela....all the more so given the amount of Chinese business presence in that country!!

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mattinnorfolk
3/6/2020 17:54 EST

The WHO has said Colombia and Venezuela has better healthcare then the USA, so that might be the reason. I understand Trump has asked Maduro and Duque for help as we speak.

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nonames
3/6/2020 18:33 EST

Fech, maybe it's easier to suppress that info in VZ.

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SkyMan
3/7/2020 10:37 EST

Most Venezuelans can't afford to travel...only the wealthy and they travel to their condos in Miami. Buena Suerte !

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fecherklyn
3/7/2020 14:23 EST

@ mattinorfolk

That sounds very doubtful....."The WHO has said Colombia and Venezuela has better healthcare then the USA,'"

If true, I feel very sad about what must be coming to the USA, or, my esteem for the WHO has just plunged.

My none too subtle suggestion was that Colombia had better be careful in controlling travelers coming into Colombia from Venezuela as the truth about what is happening in Venezuela is unknown. I have friends in Venezuela and suggestions its healthcare is good are ridiculous.

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mattinnorfolk
3/7/2020 14:52 EST

Fech. I was honestly being sarcastic, and not serious, and just find it amusing these organizations come up with sometimes. O I was only required to take one year of statistics for my business degree, I learned that if you just simply tell me the outcome you want, I can come up with the questions you need.

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cprmetro
3/7/2020 21:40 EST

Get your antacid pills ready

https://www.webbotforum.com/home-hphp/wu-jo/critical-thinking-feb-262020-sars2-bio-warfare-manual-decontamination-r342/

https://www.webbotforum.com/home-hphp/interviews/part-1-rootas-2020-timeline-clif-high-bix-weir-r343/

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Elexpatriado
3/8/2020 20:50 EST

Fech-I was thinking that myself..

Why other reason would it spring up in Iran, a close Chinese ally?

To be honedt, would Maduro let on anything was amiss..or have a clue if it was?

And all those thousands of Venezuelans going back and forth between Colombia and Venezuela..

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Elexpatriado
3/8/2020 20:52 EST

Good sarcasm Matt

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SkyMan
3/9/2020 10:43 EST

Elex...I agree with you....Maduro in Venezuela would not release that info. to the outside world...fearing that it might make his country look "inferior" or whatever. Venezuela "inferior"...Hmmm....that'd be an improvement. Buena Suerte !

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Electricista
3/9/2020 11:00 EST

Venezuela has not really been on anyone's bucket list for the past year. It is just not a big tourist destination for people this year. The US Embassy has been closed in Venezuela for almost a year so it is not easy for the Venezuelans to travel to the US. The Venezuelans just fly over the USA in an Air Canada flight when they visit relatives in Canada.
Colombia only has Corona virus because some young Italian guy arrived and was probably on his way to Santa Marta. Perhaps Venezuela does not have a Corona virus problem because people don't want to go there. And don't give me that profiling crap such as "If Chinese therefore Corona".

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saiid20
3/9/2020 19:33 EST

Latest message from the US Embassy...travelers fm the US should now be prepared to fill out health forms upon arrival...also they are subject to quarantine with little or no notice....

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CynthiaER
3/10/2020 11:28 EST

I think that the 19-year-old is a Colombian woman who had been in Italy, and who arrived in Bogotá, already showing symptoms.

Since then, there are at least two more cases in Colombia, according to El Tiempo. One is a 34 year old man in Buga; the other is a 50 year old woman in Medellín. Both arrived on March 2, from Spain.

The Buga case went straight home to his family, despite exhibiting symptoms. He was eventually diagnosed and is currently in isolation in the hospital. The woman in Medellín also went home to her family, and also was showing symptoms.

She stayed at home and notified a medical emergency service, which sent doctors to her home to test for the virus. She did indeed have it, and is now in isolation in the hospital.

It seems as though in these few cases, the response was sensible and well-conducted. The mayor of Buga was a bit exercised that no one at the airport had thought to do any testing on people arriving from places where there are a lot of cases, such as Spain.

I guess the main thing is not to panic, keep informed, and wash your hands a lot. (That last bit is what I keep seeing from the U.S.)

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Elexpatriado
3/10/2020 15:03 EST

Electricista

Not many people want to go to Iran either..

But the Chinese do..just like venezuela

And that is how Iran got it.

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LaPiranha
3/10/2020 15:52 EST

Hi Cynthia. Thanks for that clarification. I had heard that the 2 recent cases were in Medellin and Bogota. (Can breathe easier now, haha.). As Buga is a smaller town, it may be easier to contain, hopefully.

But I wonder if they are now screening all the passengers on the plane? We might see many more people who don't know they have caught it, until their symptoms show.

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yolatengo
3/10/2020 18:57 EST

My friends from the US planned a trip for 3 months to visit me. A 50th anniversary of sorts from when we met at university. We were going to have a jolly time in Jardin, Guatape and spots unknown. And then, the sh!t hit the fan. The trip is off by their own volition. One friend is just getting over a serious cold and he's afraid CDC will send him home with his cough. Plus other fears about the virus.

I was surprised that the airlines refunded in full both friends' tickets, no questions asked. Is this typical, or is it certain airlines that have this policy?

Next, I couldn't help but notice that fares to NY from Medellin seem to be a lot lower than I can recall in a long time.

So, I'm thinking. If the bastids won't come to me, maybe I'll go there. Are there any specific drawbacks in flying between NY and Medellin now?

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mattinnorfolk
3/10/2020 19:08 EST

I cannot say about flying from there as I will not be back there again until May, but I can tell you I flew back after 10 days in Germany and France last Saturday and had no issues into Norfolk. They did ask me some routine questions about travel fever or cough things like that, and I took some Lysol wipes on the airplane with me to wipe things down. The flights were only about 6070% full at best so you can probably even get a little space they’ll be some empty seats.

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Electricista
3/11/2020 01:47 EST

Yolatengo said: “Are there any specific drawbacks in flying between NY and Medellin now?”

What could possible go wrong? In 10 days the US could have 10,000 infected, over 100 deaths, and the national guard called out in five cities. Colombia could put you in quarantine for 14 days on your return to Colombia. Enjoy your trip!.

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dbarnwell
3/11/2020 06:31 EST

I arrived from Europe a few days back. No precautions at London HR.
The plane was surprisingly full.
For the first time ever, there was no one coughing on the plane. But it is a horrible flight in economy.
At El Dorado, we were all given that quick temp check to the forehead. A lot of airport workers using masks, more than in HR.. All arriving had to fill out a health and recent travel document.r
All in all I thought the CO authorities were handling it better than in Ireland, for example, where the government has mismanaged it totally.

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SkyMan
3/11/2020 10:28 EST

I have postponed two(2) trips...one a vacation to Curacao & the other a business trip to Florida. I just feel that as far as being well...I am safer here in Colombia than in the U.S.A. at this time. I sure wash my hands w/antibacterial liquid soap for 20 seconds a lot these days...hope it works. I managed to purchase some masks(not wearing em yet) but have them. Buena Suerte !

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abr127
3/11/2020 11:13 EST

Masks are not enough. Notice that all the people doing the inspections of others at airports hospitals etc. are also wearing goggles because you can get the virus with your eyes not being protected. I will not be traveling anywhere far from home unless it is necessary. As my dear old mother used to say this too will pass. God, I miss her.
Have a "Great Day Everyone"

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Electricista
3/11/2020 12:07 EST

Patient zero in Iran was Iranian.

https://agsiw.org/irans-patient-zero-the-islamic-republic/

More surprisingly patient zero in Italy was German.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-updates-cases-fears-deaths-us-latest-2020-03-11/

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pocopelo
3/11/2020 21:11 EST

Here's a link that puts things into perspective.
https://www.facebook.com/informationisbeautiful/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARDvOmGMENsrLC_FBOeyia_73A5HCS8dlUowaTJN4TmqPnOXhxZkCPdCRg5t6WHlD3sk-XAh5nPl27PI&hc_ref=ARSMKFxUFvDGNn4_oAmOCen68ahv9AIIK1w1V0DPmh6O2DhGElWz0_Om5vOSj-pdmlo&fref=nf

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PFleetwood
3/11/2020 21:21 EST

Looks interesting but couldn't get resolution for charts and graphs on my phone.

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WhoaNellie
3/11/2020 21:38 EST

What pocopelo's link shows is that on day 72 of the 2009 H1N1 flu, there were about 1 million cases in the USA alone...

And it notes that March 11, 2020 is day 71 of the novel coronavirus. According to various sources as of March 11 we have something more than 115,000 cases world-wide - with 1000+ cases in the USA and 36 deaths.

So by those measures, so far, the coronavirus is under better control, especially in the USA. We will have the number of infections and deaths rise, but overall the coronavirus does not look as bad as some are painting it.

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pocopelo
3/11/2020 21:46 EST

Social / mass media. The new opiate of the masses.

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BlueSeas
3/11/2020 22:18 EST

I'm not at all sure it was a good or well thought out decision. But the US is suspending incoming travelers from everywhere but the U.K. in Europe as of Friday at midnight. Details on the implementation of this are apparently still in the works.

As "under 6 months" non-tax residents, we are headed home tomorrow. Only have a couple weeks remaining on our 6 in 12 month limit. Should the situation here get worse, and the US ban Colombia or all of South America, I'm not sure how you could get back? If that happens, what air carrier will keep their schedule?

Just something for everyone to think about.

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Elexpatriado
3/11/2020 22:19 EST

Right..I am way more scared of the mass hysteria than the actual virus..

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pocopelo
3/11/2020 22:27 EST

On COVID-19.

Dr Abdu Sharkawy, specialist in Alberta, Canada, tries to set the record straight. He's not scared of the Corona-Virus, he's scared of our behavior, our loss of reason :

"I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, open-mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

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Elexpatriado
3/11/2020 22:30 EST

Then there are these idiot "researchers" that say it could effect 20 to 70% of the worlds population..

Te MSN likes to publish these "Research Results" over and over.

Means more readers and more advertising money..

Do the math. What % of chinese population was infected? Okay they are underestiating. multiply by 10 and see what percentage you get.

Okay Italy is worse hasnt peaked yet. Multiply the cases by 10 and divide by the population and see what percenatge you get.

Isnt math wonderful?

More logical than MSN induced hysteria..

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Elexpatriado
3/11/2020 22:35 EST

Best Post I have ever seen on this site Poco

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novato1953
3/11/2020 22:36 EST

Sean Hannity last night called it a hoax. Fox News TV face Trish Regan Monday told viewers corona “is yet another attempt to impeach the president.” Trump today called it fake news. Rush Limbaugh has compared corona to the common cold, then later claimed it was all a Chinese plot. What are the chances such paragons of rationality are wrong? Me? As always, I'm relying on distilled water to maintain my precious bodily fluids, and amusing myself by re-watching videos of that fake moon landing..

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PFleetwood
3/11/2020 22:38 EST

It's a good quote. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. But I also think the idea of panic is a bit overblown. at least where I live. Maybe it is different in your neck of the woods. And we can't control the stock market.

What would you do as a decision maker?

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PFleetwood
3/11/2020 22:43 EST

Great post novato. I don't watch Fox but heard they were really down playing it. Time will tell. But the rest of the world is taking it pretty seriously. I am concerned because I am in the age group that is hit the hardest, and most of us here can't afford an extended hospital stay. So I am taking it very seriously.

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nonames
3/11/2020 23:14 EST

Thanks Poco. Great post!

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mattinnorfolk
3/12/2020 05:33 EST

Perfect Poco

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dbarnwell
3/12/2020 05:55 EST

Nova to
Where do you get your information?
Trump never called the virus Fake News.
Nonsense.

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PFleetwood
3/12/2020 08:48 EST

It is a sad state of affairs when serious issues get people lined up on one side or another based on politics. However, I don't believe most folks, including those who read this site think that way. Particularly when it comes down to intensely personal decisions.

I would be interested, seriously, in hearing what the folks that consider most of this response to the coronavirus, including the President, at least before last night, an overreaction. My thoughts generally are that panic is detrimental, most folks who get it - an expert said last night 50% of the population, which surprised me and I thought he misspoke- will get a mild case. The problem is that there is a small percent for whom it is very serious. Many of my friends are in this category. And many of the posters on this site are in that category as well and extremely vulnerable.

Is the reaction of the business community, which is generally a rational group and conservative when it comes to risk, an overreaction? Is the health care community an overreaction. I am with you about keeping calm, keeping those we need in place working to keep our economies going, and to try to help businesses at risk in the economic downturn.

Those of you who think everything is blown way out of proportion, especially by the media which always seems to overreact -
what would you do as a decision maker in the highest levels of business and government? And how bad do you think things will get? We all like to armchair quarterback and I at least would like to hear some actual suggrstions, esp from those who think things are being made to seem much, much worse than they are.

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PFleetwood
3/12/2020 09:02 EST

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/03/trump-coronavirus-hoax-fact-check/
This piece seems even handed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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PFleetwood
3/12/2020 14:02 EST

I went out shopping. Didn't see any signs of panic, exactly. But the local grocery and Walmart seem to be getting shoppers stocking up as tho expecting a flood or hurricane. And the girl at Dollar General told me it's all up to "natural selection" now, which seemed a bit extreme. To say the least. They are all out if sanitizer and hand wipes and have been for days.

But the guy at the Visitor Center told me the weekend tourism is as busy as ever. The senior center here has low cost lunches daily and many really need them. But they may have to do something about the dining hall packed with 70+ folks, many frail.

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Caleña
3/13/2020 01:54 EST

While 3 cases sounds controllable, think of all of their fellow passengers on those flights from Europe. Are governments or airlines tracing and notifying fellow passengers?

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Caleña
3/13/2020 01:58 EST

I’m in the US, planning to move to Colombia in May. Airlines announced last week that they will issue refunds. This is new. As to fares, they announced major cutbacks in numbers of flights so I think the low fares are temporary. The US is in major panic mode at the moment, might not be a good time to visit.

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JustSomeGuy
3/13/2020 08:28 EST

I would say wait a while to go. The Government recommendation, which seems reasonable, is to have a few weeks supplies on hand to get you through most disruptive events. That would be hard to do if you are living out of a suitcase in a foreign country. I tend to be more cautious than average I think.

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SkyMan
3/13/2020 11:01 EST

I just read on El País Periódico that currently in Colombia there are Thirteen(13) Cases of the virus. Bogotá-5, Medellín-4, Neiva-2, Cartagena-1, Buga-1
Cuidado Y Buena Suerte !

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FrozenPonds
3/13/2020 16:48 EST

I lived through H1N1... In fact, I had it. Was in good health and how I contacted it was anyones guess.

This latest bug doesnt really concern me. Just the way it has reacted and spread.. It doesnt look like it will be as bad.

Here in Canadá.. For some reason toilet Paper is being bought by the case. In Walmart last night, I had to laugh at the amount people were buying.

On the flip side... Scheduled to come back to Colombia this coming week and got a flight for $90 one way. That is cheaper than flying to Montreal!

Stay safe everyone and if you cant find hand sanitizer... Wash the poopoo out of your hands!!!!

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PFleetwood
3/13/2020 17:42 EST

Funny. To me H1N1 was non existent. Maybe because I was younger and healthier. This seems a lot worse. Trump just declared a national emergency. But that doesn't mean people aren't over reacting.

I had a long irritating conversation with a friend who sent me a Tweet from some moron claiming to be an ex WH staffer claiming Trump would do the same thing as China and force everyone to stay home everywhere. Hard to take that stuff seriously but because she is a good friend. I gave her a lot of other possible more positive scenarios - even called Walmart who doesn't have empty shelves and is still getting regular deliveries. But some people are hard to convince.

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FrozenPonds
3/13/2020 18:23 EST

Agreed.. The concern should be for those who are most vulnerable. That would be the elderly and those with underlying médical issues.

I was literally having a chuckle at the amount people were buying. We had some Morón in my City who is claiming he just made 100k by buying and reselling Lysol Wipes!! I totally believe and support capitalism.....but not some opportunist who is playing with peoples health. I had the last laugh as I called a good fríend who is with Revenue Canada!! Hope he remembers to claim that windfall/in come on his next T4! Hahaha

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CynthiaER
3/13/2020 23:33 EST

As of a little earlier this evening, there are 3 new cases, bringing the total of known, diagnosed cases to 16. The 3 new ones are in Bogotá, Palmira, and Villavicencio, according to El Tiempo.

Also, earlier today, a traveler/visitor from Spain was expelled for breaking the mandatory 14-day quarantine. Apparently he arrived from Spain, and under the new requirement was told he had to stay put in a hotel in Bogotá. Earlier today he went down for breakfast and then left in a taxi. The hotel called immigration who, if I understand correctly, camped out at the hotel until the man returned. They (apparently) immediately hustled him off to the airport to send him back to Spain.

It really looks like Colombia has a handle on how to deal with this. I guess it remains to be seen what the response will be like if new cases start piling up. Here in Manizales it's been business as usual, although a couple of large events have been canceled or postponed. But toilet paper supplies seem to be stable. ??????

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CynthiaER
3/13/2020 23:36 EST

Shucks. I wanted to close my last post with a bunch of laughing face emojis, but they turned up looking like question marks.

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Caleña
3/14/2020 02:04 EST

My sister in law reports that there are two cases in La Mesa, Cundinamarca, about an hour and a half outside of Bogota. They get a lot of Europeans and Americans in La Mesa for their final adoption process.

I don’t know if these are counted in the 13 reported cases or not. I feel for these travelers, there is nothing worse than being sick away from home.

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Caleña
3/14/2020 02:04 EST

My sister in law reports that there are two cases in La Mesa, Cundinamarca, about an hour and a half outside of Bogota. They get a lot of Europeans and Americans in La Mesa for their final adoption process.

I don’t know if these are counted in the 13 reported cases or not. I feel for these travelers, there is nothing worse than being sick away from home.

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CynthiaER
3/14/2020 02:14 EST

Caleña, I feel the same way. Having been ill (not severely but feeling sufficiently sh***y in countries not my own), and knowing that there was no one to help with personal stuff, I totally understand the feeling of feeling lost and alone.

I just hope that this doesn't have to last for very long.

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Elexpatriado
3/14/2020 08:11 EST

Colombiahas the situation under control?

Thats a joke. They shut the border but..3000 Venezuelans crossing the border illegálly every day via las trochas..

And try and ask your high end healthcare provider where and how you can get a test for the virus..

You get a " deer in the headlights" stare

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JustSomeGuy
3/14/2020 08:56 EST

I understand why people are concerned, the reported death rate for people over 80 years old with preexisting health problems was around 15% in China, I think. No one wants grandpa to die. But the reaction to this is such that life is getting harder. I tried to go to Costco to buy turmeric, they have the best price and it completely relieves the finger pain I get (getting old beats the alternative but it isn't all that great). The parking lot was a mad house, I gave up. A logistics service that I was going to use just closed down leaving me and a lot of other people looking at very inconvenient and expensive alternatives. The guy who runs the local skating rink is worried he will have to shut down and revenue will go to $0. County schools just shut down for a month, leaving parents scrambling for daycare. All this with 40 some people dead. Those people will be missed by their friends and family but we lose more than that in traffic accidents in a weekend and life goes on. We may lose thousands of people before it is over, that is sad but we lose thousands every year to the flu and other illnesses and we accept it as normal, because it is, people get old and sick and die.

I don't know how bad the reaction will get so I am staying home for a few weeks until it blows over or people come to their senses and start living normally again. I did look at the cost of a flight to Medellin, best I've seen, ever. It is really tempting but if I get there and they go nuts and shut down the restaurants I would be screwed. Or the USA closes its borders and I can come home. The reaction is the problem for me, not the illness.

I think this is an excellent opportunity for people to start getting a little more exercise, eating better and improving their health. Then this illness will just pass them by. That would be a reasonable reaction, in my opinion, one not widely shared with my fellow Americans.

For me a single roll of toilet paper is a month's supply. That's a good thing since I don't think there is any to be found in the stores around here.

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dalepues
3/14/2020 10:03 EST

Good morning. Does anyone here know where in Medellín you would go for a covid-19 test? Thank you.

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FrozenPonds
3/14/2020 10:11 EST

Not sure about that....but here in Canada, and I think in the US as well, there is a major shortfall in the number of tests available to the general public.

Canadian scientists have isolated the covid-19 virus and the FDA in the USA has allowed med companies to fasttrack potential vaccines and testing kits. They are really going after the drive-in testing areas which makes perfect sense.

No toilet paper here,,,anywhere ......no more folding pieces for me..lol...oh the humanity!!

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SkyMan
3/14/2020 10:57 EST

I spoke with a friend who traveled to Colombia esterday(03/13/20)...entering
thru MDE & asked about any virus protocol being followed upon entry. He indicated that he filled out a short Health-Form & that's it...no temp checks or anything else. Buena Suerte !

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SoDelft
3/14/2020 11:20 EST

This is a confusing time.I think people do come face to face with their own mortality and it scares people. Everything you said is true but fear sometimes makes people irrational. As a former respiratory therapist, I can say this a nasty bug. I have seen a lot of respiratory ailments and something this infectious and asymptomatic at the shedding stage will cause logistic problems in hospitals. We may never know the exact origin of this virus but there will be an economic cost.

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SkyMan
3/14/2020 11:21 EST

Updated virus #'s: New cases in MDE=2, New cases in Rionegro-1, New cases in Bogotá-1....totall= 22 total cases in Colombia now. Source: El País. Buena Suerte !

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WhoaNellie
3/14/2020 13:04 EST

Yep, 22 cases now confirmed in Colombia:

https://www.elpais.com.co/ultimo-minuto/seis-nuevos-casos-de-coronavirus-confirmados-en-colombia-en-bogota-medellin-y-rionegro.html

Just FYI that's 0.000044% of the population.

¡Corramos, corramos, todos vamos a morir!

And the song and video itself, Todos Vamos a Morir - it's funny, he's scaring the kids!

https://letras2.com/zorman-todos-vamos-a-morir/

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PFleetwood
3/14/2020 13:26 EST

My take on this is that, when faced with a crisis, many people are unable to face reality and either go into complete denial, or overreact in the other direction and go into a panic mode. Neither will listen to reason. And politicians are there to exploit both groups, who of course think the other group is crazy.
But I think most of us just try to relax and deal with things as they arise, calmly and objectively.

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Electricista
3/14/2020 13:39 EST

It appears Magdalena is trying to close out foreigners. As well as Magadalena being closed to cruise ships, it is likely Parque Tyrona will be closed to foreigners soon. This is a good opportunity for foreign residents who have an 'R" on their resident visa to enjoy the Park with less tourists. "R" visa holders are treated like Colombians at Parque Tyrona. Those with "M" or "T" on their visa are still considered foreigners and will be S.O.L. I am inferring this from the fact that R visa holders pay the Colombian citizen entry price and M visa holders still pay the full foreigner tourist price.

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yolatengo
3/14/2020 13:56 EST

Is there some sort of list of closings? The cine at viva envigado is closed. No indication of how long. No note on the website. I'm surprised the mall is open.

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Electricista
3/14/2020 15:10 EST

It appears that multiplex Cine closed all their theaters.

http://www.zonacero.com/sociales/cine-colombia-cierra-sus-salas-de-cine-y-multiplex-como-prevencion-al-coronavirus-144691

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CynthiaER
3/14/2020 15:15 EST

Yolatengo, the president of Cinecolombia announced a little earlier today that Cinecolombia would close all of its cinemas for now. I don't remember what time frame he gave for how long. It was in El Tiempo.

Here in Manizales they canceled the orchid festival and the equine fair, which was scheduled for next weekend, has been postponed until the end of May. La Patria (our local paper) announced that anyone coming into La Nubia (the airport) would have their temperature taken and, if the reading was higher than 37.5, the person would be taken aside and required to fill out a questionnaire.

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Paco23
3/14/2020 15:43 EST

The majority of the schools are closing which I think is likely in response to President Duques declaration that any gathering over 500 people was to be cancelled. I made my shopping trip to Jumbo as I was playing the peso game and buying what I needed for a couple weeks and the cashier told me there were people spending 3 million pesos so my measly 500 mil was nothing. Also no noted shortages of TP in Rionegro......yet

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Elexpatriado
3/14/2020 19:25 EST

I am not worried about dieing from.this stupid virus

I am worried about investnents and quality if life not being able to travel
, go.to concerts, go to the gym..go dancing.

They just closed all the discoteques in Buaramanga for 5 weeks.

I Am waiting for them.to shut the Bodytech gyms.

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SkyMan
3/15/2020 11:31 EST

Currently in Colombia-34 confirmed cases in the cities to follow: Bogotá-13, Medellín-7, Neiva-3, Cartagena-3, Rionegro-1, Cali-1, Dosquebradas-1, Palmira-1, Buga-1, Meta-1, Manizales-1, Cúcuta-1

American Airlines is suspending service from MIA to Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Cartagena, Cali at end of schedule on 03/16/20. So the dominoes continue to fall. Buena Suerte !

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Pedroal
3/15/2020 15:58 EST

Refresh my memory. I don't recall exactly what happened to the stock market and the world economy while it was around. And I don't recall what the Republican take was on Obama's handling of it. I do know we were dealing with a workdwide recession (near Depression) after 8 years of Bush.
The world has known about this since January and many countries are well on the way to comprehensive testing. Not here in the U.S. In the town I live in only the emergency room will test. Lovelace and Presbyterian are offering tests to anyone in Albuquerque (drive through) 150 miles away. Can't say I'd give DT a thumbs up on this. And I would regardless of his politics or what I think of him if I thought he was performing well here.

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FrozenPonds
3/15/2020 17:37 EST

I will say that uniting of all the Pharmaceutical companies and service delivery stakeholders was definitely a positive!!

Here in Canada...at the very onset of this outbreak...our PM flew two planes..600 ppl in total back to Canada from Wuhan province in China! And he has continued to say the risk to Canadians is extremely low!! That is...until his wife was diagnosed this past week and he has since placed himself in isolation which is the first smart decision he has made since he took office!

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SkyMan
3/16/2020 12:54 EST

As of this morning...Colombia Total-54 cases, of which nine(9) New Cases(3 males & 6 females) in Bogotá & No New Cases in Medellín. Source: El País. Buena Suerte !

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yolatengo
3/16/2020 13:19 EST

I found this link on FB - an in depth article about the virus. If all is true in the article, and there is much scientific backup included, it's very scary.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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Paco23
3/17/2020 00:07 EST

The number of cases should be doubling every four days. With regards to this killing off the old feeble ones with not much time left...I would say there are enough people dying in the 40-50 year old range as well. The only thing this virus seems to not do is kill those younger than 19 years old. It at least does not kill as many (percentage wise). I made the mistake of trying to swing in pricesmart today complete lunacy, no parking spots lines an hour long, even my local D1 freezer was wiped clean of any type of chicken or decent meat. It will just be a matter of time until the SHTF here in Colombia. I think we can only hope that the infection rate is slow enough to not completely overwhelm the system.

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Andresen
3/17/2020 09:09 EST

We went to Euro in Mayorista Sunday night. Pretty normal though no hand sanitiser.

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PFleetwood
3/17/2020 10:41 EST

Where I am the panic, generally by stocking up on food and resources that others can use, is worse by far than the illness.
And the people I know who didn't have much of a handle on it have gone from under to an overreaction. There are supply chain disruptions, but our ability to distribute necessary goods is strong, the virus is not devastating to younger workers. They can continue to work - everyone needs the $$ - and even people that have the illness that are not symptomatic could work (my opinion) hopefully for double time, if they were isolated from others that might be infected.
I had an eye doctor appointiment yesterday. It was a breeze as nearly everyone had cancelled.
"The only thing to fear is fear itself."

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SkyMan
3/17/2020 11:09 EST

Colombia-total of 65 cases as of 6:00 .m. this morning w/8 new cases in the past 24 hours. New cases in Bucaramanga, Barranquilla, Cartagena. Here in Medellin # cases have been steady at seven(7) for two(2) days, with no new cases Source: El Tiempo. Stay Well All. Buena Suerte !

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