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AlexCA
3/20/2020 20:22 EST

I hear all this stuff about all Americans receiving one-time $1,200 or so ¨check¨as part of the US govt effort to serve US citizens. My question is simple: I'm a Pensionado living in Colombia who lives on his monthly Social Security check that ranges into $1,400 per month that the US govt automatically deposits into my US-based bank account each month. I don't live in the US--I live full time in Colombia-- so there is no US"address¨ (house addy) . .. I get my US mail, including any official notifications from SS, via my Medellin mail box service in Poblado. Should I expect to receive any corona cash via my Social Sec account deposited into my US bank . . . .expect them to mail a ¨paper check¨to me via my Florida mail forwarder . . . or do I get overlooked? I mean, hells bells, I'm a US citizen, retired, been paying taxes all these years. Do I get excluded by Trump´s Treasury of Casinos? Or should I expect a welcome sign of support from these losers who feel they are only beholden to the one percent rich scammers of the country? Don't do me any favors. What am I ENTITLED TO? Anything, nothing, or some loose change?

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Andresen
3/20/2020 20:45 EST

Only detail i have heard thus far is payments are based on your 2018 tax filing. I didnt file so i guess i will get nothing?

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WhoaNellie
3/20/2020 21:02 EST

The details are still being worked out, with a target of sending out checks in about three weeks. There is some concern about SS recipients, but they will not be left out, although if they had no Federal tax liability, they may not receive the full $1200 amount that has been bandied about.

Here's several stories on what's going on:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-rescue-checks-may-shortchange-americans-on-social-security.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-coronavirus-stimulus-plan-payments

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy, a Democrat who would not even be allowed in that party nowadays, based on his political views rejecting the doctrines of victimhood, among many other things...

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wistundera11
3/20/2020 21:08 EST

Income is supposedly based on your 2018 tax return

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AlexCA
3/20/2020 22:02 EST

Dunno, if you're on Social that means you've done all the filing for your lifetime . . . doesn't seem fair, but what is? I´ll trade in my mythical $1,200 if they stick the Orange Swamp Head into jail for the rest of his crooked life, leaving some room for his crooked family and associates . . . Disgusting lot.

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AlexCA
3/20/2020 22:03 EST

thanks so much, appreciate it . . . I feel (just the gut) that there will be ¨something . . . _¨not the 1,200, but I heard minimum might be 600 which is still better than nada.

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Andresen
3/20/2020 22:07 EST

I've heard since that SS recipients are somehow going to be taken into consideration.

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dobled
3/20/2020 22:16 EST

Yes they seem to be going by 2018 tax returns and using that address or bank account # to send or deposit money. You have to make less than $65k a year. As stated above they are still working out details which I assume will be part of the "special" conference Trump is holding tomorrow. People are trying to make sure this time they stop all debt collection (tax, student loans etc) unlike in 2008 where most people's checks went to collection so they never saw that help.

I honestly think they should just send a check to anyone with a SSN over the age of 18. This is a world pandemic and they still put exclusions on helping U.S citizens.

I too live here in Colombia (2 years). I don't expect to see any checks or assistance. I'm pretty sure Colombian government won't help anyone as usual.

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augieman
3/20/2020 22:29 EST

JFK did reject victim hood. Easy to do when you are born and raised in the lap of lux.

Be that as it may, arguably trump got elected by a whole passle of victims who blame their sad plight on immigrants:
on others getting "free stuff " and they getting the dregs.

but failing to look inside themselves as to why society " left them behind"
and not others.

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suadel
3/20/2020 22:33 EST

I have been told by more than one certified CPA that you DON'T HAVE TO FILE TAX RETURNS IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN $33.000/YEAR. Based on that premise I don't file income tax returns anymore (I'm 77). Does that mean that I am not entitled to the mentioned help even when I paid taxes for 60 years?

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wannamove
3/20/2020 23:07 EST

Trump and the Republican senators decided only TAXPAYERS would receive $1200 twice. Those of us on SS that do not pay income taxes and other adult none tax payers will get $600 twice. If a couple makes up to $75K they get $2400 twice and $500 per child. They get less depending on income until their income reaches $99K after that nothing. At least that is what the media is reporting is in the proposed bill.. Hopefully the Democratic senators and a few Republican ones that want $1200X2 for every adult will win out.....but I am not holding my breath.

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Blenheim
3/21/2020 00:16 EST

In 1960 the Anglo population in the U.S was about 90%----closed borders--no welfare--no food stamps--no snap---no EEOC---SSI---no Diversity quotas--- no free college--Yet the Anglo and forefathers managed to still build a first world country without all the above----Name a multicultural country which has accomplished the same--- Why of course Colombia--20% Spanish --60% Mestizo--15% Indigenous---5% Negra-----Which is why ex-pats are moving to Colombia in droves---not the other way around--

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ponymalta2
3/21/2020 03:15 EST

i will be pleasantly surprized if americans living abroad get a payment.

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snipehunter
3/21/2020 11:31 EST

It is my understanding that one must
have earned less than $75,000 to
qualify for the virus check. How
would government know? It could
verify that by your income tax return
of 2018 to get your mailing address.
Paper check or direct deposit? I am
in the same situation. I don't receive
mail from USA anymore because of
the VAT on everything. My SS check
is direct deposit. We shall see.

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snipehunter
3/21/2020 11:44 EST

Alex
Just wait for SDNY-Southern District
of New York to go after Trump for
tax fraud in 2021. If you can get
Netflix watch "Dirty Money". Both
Trump and Jared Kushner are
featured for their dirtiness.

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Andresen
3/21/2020 12:40 EST

Would the US send a check to those of us with direct deposit out of the US? We shall see.

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Blenheim
3/21/2020 13:30 EST

Fortunate with this president the USNS Comfort will be in New York harbor---
and the USNS mercy to Washington state----With the next president these and other U.S. Navy fossil fuel ships will be in the salvage yard due to the green new deal----Of course Colombia will have to raise their VAT to 25% to finance their green new deal--which will force many ex-pats to leave Colombia due to non affordability-----

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BlueSeas
3/21/2020 14:12 EST

Neither of those ships have left port and deployed yet. One might be weeks or months away since it is undergoing maintenance.

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JustSomeGuy
3/21/2020 14:19 EST

Did the government explain what they were hoping to accomplish by sending the money to people?

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Blenheim
3/21/2020 14:52 EST

We shall see Blue seas---weeks and months ??? Today's navy is not the same navy of the past several years with a priority of indecisive political bureaucracy-----

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novato1953
3/21/2020 15:59 EST

The point is to provide cash money that will be quickly spent, an effort to buoy an economy reeling from an alpine spike in unemployment which triggered a slide into the abyss for weekly earned income. The general drift is that $1,200 to millionaires may buy bonds -- where it typically benefits only the bond holder -- while $1,200 to somebody suddenly unemployed may buy groceries, where it benefits everybody in the production chain that keeps the supermarket cashier window open.

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JustSomeGuy
3/21/2020 16:33 EST

That seems like reasonable goal.

It is probably very hard to be completely fair when dividing up everybody’s tax dollars and sending it to the right people. Even if the goal is reasonable.

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mattinnorfolk
3/21/2020 16:41 EST

The pentagon says the one ship will be in Seattle in a week as well as Mobile army medical units. I think the other is being worked on as it did a cruise to Caribbean and Venezuela not long ago.

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Blenheim
3/21/2020 17:07 EST

The real losers were / are the millions over the years who are paying / paid thousands in to the SS system during their working life----are / were single and then die / died before their SS retirement age---The total benefit reward is a 255 dollar SS burial payment-----Everyone receiving a SS check is gravy--most people if living long enough will be receiving a lot more than they put in to the system in their working career----including me if i live long enough------
But wait--life is just not fair to the campesino so get rid of the rich--How will this work out----look next door and see how the campesino's are doing in the Chavez / Maduro Socialist Paradise---

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JustSomeGuy
3/21/2020 17:16 EST

I think there was a poll done a few years ago and the losers mostly agreed that the loss of their SS money was not their greatest regret.

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Blenheim
3/21/2020 17:58 EST

One might assume their greatest regret was they died !!!!

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nonames
3/21/2020 19:08 EST

May they R.I.P.

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augieman
3/21/2020 21:29 EST

Bleinheim
I think that many expats come to Colombia for cheap, easily available,and sweet poontang

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Electricista
3/30/2020 15:42 EST

It appear that expats living in Colombia can get the $1200 even if they have not filed US income taxes for years if they meet the following criteria.

The criteria: A US citizen with a SS number.

Technically the $1200 is a tax credit for the 2020 tax year paid in advance. I believe for some expats the following could be a possible scenario: If you have not filed for 10 years, file your 2019 tax return very soon to trigger the $1200 deposit or check. Then file your 2020 tax return in 2021. Maybe...just maybe....You might even get the 1200 credit on filing your 2020 return next year without filing your 2019 return.

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SkyMan
3/30/2020 17:25 EST

Guys....there are a lot of sites that you can post anything political, but we all know that this is not that site. Whether you receive $ from the US government or not...please post the political notes & opinions on another site. *You may not be aware, but there have been a number of Colombia expat sites that have been destroyed by political posts...PBH was one of them...so if you enjoy posting/reading on this one, please use other sites for your political posts.

I have always tried to steer any poster away from political-posts, as the health of this site depends upon it & there are a good number of us who post here. I realize that there are a lot of pent-up emotions & feelings at this time...but my comments are to keep this site functioning as an expat wannabe site and one that provides info on Colombia, not the USA. Buena Suerte !

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ponymalta2
3/31/2020 05:52 EST

Electricista

my understanding is that if one hasn't filed a 2019 return they will go by the 2017 return or the 1099 form they issue for social security payments. worst case they indicate they will set a website for contact-however since amount depends on income thresholds will be tricky for someone who hasn't filed returns- they can then estimate income and base penalties on that,

i still find it a bit hard to imagine they will send payment out of country but so far seems they will

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Electricista
3/31/2020 08:38 EST

Ponymalta2: I agree with you. If you have not filed in 2019, they will look at 2018. If you have not filed in 2018 they will look at “the 1099 form they issue for social security payments.”

My scenario above was for the person who has not filed for several years for reasons such as the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion or by remaining below the threshold. I also doubt the IRS would send a check out of country. They would do a direct deposit into a US account or wait and give you a credit on your 2020 filing. My suggestion was to send in your 2019 filing now to inform them of one’s low income and to notify them where you have a US bank account for deposit. The downside for someone who has been off the IRS radar for years and then file for 2019, they will again be on the IRS radar for the next eight to ten years and maybe $1200 just might not be worth the trouble.

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ponymalta2
3/31/2020 12:27 EST

I agree if someone hasn't filed for a number of years , trying to collect 1200 may be costly to do.

As far as I am aware the foreign income exclusion doesn't negate having to file a return.

Then again we can open the perennial can of worms, whether 1200$ would be taxable in Colombia.

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abr127
3/31/2020 13:25 EST

AARP posted a nice reply
Social Security recipients eligible worked to ensure that individuals who are collecting Social Security benefits for retirement, disability or Supplemental Security Income will be eligible for the stimulus checks, based on their tax returns or Social Security Administration data. AARP successfully fought to guarantee that low-income Social Security recipients will receive the full $1,200 check, not $600 as originally proposed.

Quick Questions
Will people on Social Security disability get a stimulus check?

If you receive Social Security benefits for disability, retirement or Supplemental Security Income, you are eligible to receive a stimulus check or direct deposit. Only individuals whose annual adjusted gross income exceeds $99,000 will not get checks.

I get Social Security benefits? Do I have to file taxes to get a check?

Social Security recipients do not have to file taxes to receive a stimulus check. The government can send your check or direct deposit using the information you have provided to the Social Security Administration.

Will I need to fill out any other forms to get the stimulus check?

No. The federal government will automatically send you a direct deposit or check using the information on your tax return or that you have provided to the Social Security Administration if you currently are receiving benefits. However, if you are not receiving Social Security benefits and did not file a tax return in 2018 or 2019 yet, you will need to file a 2019 return to get the stimulus money.

If you are receiving Social Security benefits but didn’t file taxes in 2018 or 2019, you will be eligible to receive a stimulus check without a tax return based on data available to the IRS from your annual Social Security benefits statement. The government will send you a direct deposit or check using the information from your Form SSA-1099 Social Security Benefit Statement or your Form RRB-1099 Social Security Equivalent Benefit Statement. You will not have to file a 2019 tax return to get a stimulus check.

The bill does not set a date for when the direct deposits and checks will start to go out, saying only that the Treasury secretary will send the payments “as rapidly as possible.” The money could be sent either by mail or direct deposit.

Who qualifies for a stimulus check?
The size of the check will decrease based on income for individuals who earned more than $75,000 based on their tax return for last year (or their 2018 return if they have not filed yet). The rebate check for individuals will shrink by $5 for every $100 earned over $75,000. For couples who filed jointly, the reduction will start once they earn more than $150,000; for heads of household, at $112,500. This calculator can help you determine how much you might receive in a stimulus check.

Individuals who earned more than $99,000 and couples who earned more than $198,000 jointly will not receive checks.

According to the law, people who do not receive Social Security benefits and also do not typically file taxes because their income is very low will need to file a 2019 tax return in order to receive a stimulus check. That may be a challenge for some, however, because many services that help low-income taxpayers file tax returns for free have suspended in-person operations to deter the spread of the coronavirus. Most low-income taxpayers are eligible to file tax returns online for free through the IRS Free File program.

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ponymalta2
3/31/2020 14:05 EST

abr127

the other option is that the IRS claims by end of April they will also have website to fill in information for the payment.

as i posted i will be very surprised if Expats get a payment but nothing in the bill seems to preclude it- it mentions non residents but apparently referring to non citizens.

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wistundera11
3/31/2020 20:32 EST

The IRS is working on a website that a person can use to enter their bank info for direct deposit. Supposedly all you need is your SS number.
Highly unlikely they will deposit into a foreign bank account.
The next week or so will we will all have more info.

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ponymalta2
4/1/2020 10:31 EST

wish there was a way to find out .

especially if there will be a 'phase 4' as well

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ponymalta2
4/9/2020 07:11 EST

several websites reported this week that definitely expats would receive the check payment , but unclear if it would be sent to foreign bank account.

also green card holders will receive.

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yolatengo
4/9/2020 08:40 EST

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/how-to-get-stimulus-money-4809620/

This article was updated 2 days ago. As per the article, the government will use your 2019 return if they have it in time.
The last paragraph is a bit unclear. When I first read the article a week ago, the last paragraph stated that if your bank account is not on file, a simple tax return would need to be created, whatever that means.
I read elsewhere that they will mail your check if they don't have a bank account to deposit your money. However, I don't know if they will send mail internationally.
A suggestion -- there are law firms that offer subscriptions for questions, i.e., Rocket Lawyer. I think there's a free trial.

How to get stimulus money

By Jordyn Dahl, Editor at LinkedIn
Updated 2 days ago

Funds from the $2 trillion stimulus package signed into law are starting to be disbursed by the federal government. Small businesses are eligible for loans that can get converted into grants if certain requirements are met, individuals making less than $99,000 and couples making under $198,000 will receive a check, and a wider availability of unemployment benefits for those who have been laid off.

How to get stimulus money

Here's what you need to know about how to get access to the funds:

Individual checks

Reversing its initial decision, the White House says Social Security recipients will not have to file tax returns to get their one-time $1,200 check.
Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said direct deposits will begin by April 17 and checks will start being mailed in three weeks.
Individuals making less than $75,000 are eligible for $1,200 and couples making under $150,000 can receive $2,400. Those with children under 16 will receive $500 per dependent.
Those making up to $99,000 as an individual or $198,000 as a couple can still receive a payment but of a lesser amount.
College students will be not be eligible to receive a check if their parents count them as dependents on their tax returns.
The payment amount will be based upon your 2019 tax return or your 2018 tax return if you have not already filed for 2019. Those who owe back taxes will still receive a payment. People who do not typically file a tax return will need to "file a simple tax return" to receive payment, according to the IRS.
If the IRS has your bank account information on file, you'll receive a direct deposit. The IRS announced it will create an online portal for people to update or input their direct deposit details.

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mattinnorfolk
4/9/2020 10:19 EST

Great post Yola, I wish we had the federal reserve and the US treasury handling the medical side of things and glad Trump got Powell and Manuchin right. They seem to know what they’re doing much better then Trump, USA task force, CDC and National Infectious and Disease departments handling the medical.

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Nachi
4/9/2020 12:53 EST

I have read that if you pay taxes because you have a social security number you will receive the money into the same account you receive your social security benefits, so chill out, you're covert.

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ponymalta2
4/10/2020 02:38 EST

mattinnorfolk

it is interesting that listening to the media in almost any country one hears judgement on how the corona situation being handled with similar complaints, even though i suspect much is going on we don't know about and i do think after all this is over then one can look at how different countries handled better or worse considering their circumstances.

one difficulty in the US is that simply the governors have a lot of individual powers making national coordination more challenging than some other countries.

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augieman
4/10/2020 12:04 EST

@ponymalta2

Not up to your usual standards,in fact stuff and nonsense.

Could it be your attempt to slip in a political post under disguise has tripped you up?

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drdirt
4/12/2020 12:15 EST

Word is that it will be deposited in your ususal automatic deposit.

Supposed to be disbursed by 15 April. I'll look for mine, and if it comes in, I'll post here.

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stoneshirt
4/12/2020 13:16 EST

Who ARE you?

stoneshirt.

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ponymalta2
4/12/2020 15:45 EST

So far as I have read the first checks will go to those who filed 2018 or 2019 tax returns and had direct deposit information on those returns, and those direct deposit payments have started will be done over next two weeks.

Then for those receiving social security direct deposits will be made, and this includes Expats, though I haven't read anything saying they will or won't credit a foreign bank account.

Then if people haven't received they can log onto government site to give information where to send the payment, or they will end up getting paper checks sometime over next 3 to 7 weeks.

Hope to hear when someone receives and is credited to foreign account !

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Wildstubby
4/12/2020 20:42 EST

I saw a posting in my checking account today for $402. They used my 2018 tax returns as a basis because I made ~$95K. This year I will make the same but I am was married in 2019 with 2 kids. But at least it was better than nothing.

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Paco23
4/14/2020 22:49 EST

I got my corona check but I have no idea why I got the amount I did. I made a lot of money in 18 and have not filed 19 taxes yet. I am married and have a couple of kids. I ended up with 3191. My funds went to the account that my federal refund usually goes to, so there was no check mailed or anything.

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srhsnh1807
4/15/2020 08:45 EST

Got my direct deposit as well last night... but I have a different take on it. This was my money to begin with so it was kind of my government to give it back to me.

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CAtoMDE
4/15/2020 10:20 EST

Just checked my Union Bank (California) and yep mine was deposited last night.

I am surprised as the US treasury really delivered exactly what and when they said they would.

Thank you to this administration!

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fredah
4/15/2020 13:19 EST

It looks like greed is creeping in with the checks. Their taxes have been filed claiming a dependent who had income less than $1000. Now they want to amend their tax return and that of the dependent to show that the dependent is on her own to qualify for the $1200.
Another tax client sent me the following link for expats

https://brighttax.com/blog/coronavirus-relief-cares-expats-get-stimulus-check/

Hope it helps

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ponymalta2
4/16/2020 07:35 EST

Was it to US or Foreign Account ?

Seems clear Expats will get check and though I don't read anything specifically saying foreign banks accounts excluded, several internet sites such as H & R block said only US banks. Elsewhere says Social security beneficiaries don't need to do anything, but if tax return filed one can go to IRS site and input US direct deposit info- however typing in my address says they can't find ( bizarre as I have received correspondence.) So I guess I will end up having to wait for a check if it ever arrives.

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Caleña
4/16/2020 09:13 EST

Check your bank account. Ours was deposited yesterday.

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ponymalta2
4/16/2020 11:37 EST

augieman

hah you are right re-reading it was poorly written.

no political point. just to me seems all sorts of speculation and opinion all over the world. who did what and when and what they should have, results are this or that. just think some time has to pass before blame game makes sense. if ever for that matter.

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ponymalta2
4/16/2020 11:37 EST

augieman

hah you are right re-reading it was poorly written.

no political point. just to me seems all sorts of speculation and opinion all over the world. who did what and when and what they should have, results are this or that. just think some time has to pass before blame game makes sense. if ever for that matter.

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ponymalta2
4/16/2020 11:37 EST

calena, US or Foreign account ?

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ponymalta2
4/16/2020 11:37 EST

calena, US or Foreign account ?

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Caleña
4/18/2020 10:12 EST

Mine was deposited to a US account.

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