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An Expat Talks about Moving to Lake Chapala, Mexico

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Lake Chapala, Mexico's Islet and Pier

An expat in Lake, Chapala shares her experiences moving there. Lake Chapala has an active, large expat community with a theater group, choir, art society and more.

What is the name of the city or town that you are reporting on?

Lake Chapala

Name three things that you wish you had brought and three you wish you had left at home.

Two things that I didn't bring and eventually did buy in the states was a vacuum and a sponge mop. We brought down large area rugs to put on the floors in the bedrooms that need to have a vacuum run over them. Everything here were shop vacs although now you can find vacuum cleaners. Sponge mops are still not found. I brought down a counter top dishwasher since our home did not have one. I also purchased a rice cooker and proper food processor on a trip to the states. I didn't need to bring my straw broom. The dust does not sweep up as well as it does with the plastic bristled brooms that they sell here.

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What advice would you give someone preparing to move to your area about the actual move, choosing a neighborhood and finding a home?

Do your research. Figure out what is really important to you. There is so much to do here and lots of people who speak English. The locals are very friendly. There are always exceptions but we have been very happy. It is a noisy country and there is dust. Bill is a musician and does sound for many of the productions and I am a quilter. There is a theater group, a community choir, an art society and a multitude of clubs, restaurants, live music that you will recognize. Medical care is good and you will find alternative as well as traditional medicine. You will see donkey carts and BMWs sharing the road. Working is a problem since jobs are reserved for the citizens so planning on working here may not happen.

What type of housing do you live in? Is this typical for most expats in your area?

We live in a single family dwelling that shares side walls with my neighbors. It is 2 story with 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. Houses are made with brick or cider block with a skin coat of concrete. Many houses have beautiful, lush gardens with indoor/outdoor living. We chose not to have one. Many people have maids and gardeners but it was not in our budget. Square footage of houses include covered porches so be aware of that. We looked at one house that a porch was 1/3 of the square footage which left very little living space.

How did you choose your neighborhood and find your home or apartment?

When we started looking at the money we would have to live on after retirement, I realized that I would never be able to quit work and live comfortably. We started looking at places we could live. We wanted to be close enough to hop up to the states to see family but be able to afford to retire. Mexico was the obvious answer. After much internet research, I stumbled on Lake Chapala. My husband and I knew nothing about Mexico. His vision was from the old westerns. There is a group that provides a week long seminar that will answer all of your questions and also show you the fun side of the area. We booked a trip 3 months away. I used the time to look at real estate offerings. I had limited funds. This is a cash economy so it had to be a house I could afford. They have an MLS listings here so I could check out everything. I contacted a realtor and he helped weed out houses that had issues or less than savory neighborhoods. I wanted city water, a pressurized/filtration water system and city sewer. Many houses are on septic so I knew that I might have to make a compromise there. We had 14 houses on the final list. We bought the second one we had looked at and we paid cash. And it is on city sewer.

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Are your housing costs higher or lower than they were in your home country? What is the average cost of housing there?

Much lower. We pay our property taxes and water yearly. Our taxes are $699 MX and water is $1000 MX per year. Electricity is expensive in Mexico but still less than the US and is paid every other month. We have our propane tank filled on the off month and runs about $1600 MX for 2 months. Phone and internet is $600 MX per month and that is with unlimited long distanse. We have satelite which comes out of Canada. They have grocery stores that carry US products but it is imported and therefore expensive. Produce, eggs, meat, chicken and fish is amazing and reasonable. You can pay as much as you want or as little as you have for a house and find something to fit your needs.

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Dec 26, 2016 18:56

I've lived in sevaral places in Mexico, and though the country certainly has its positive aspects, it is good to be aware of the negatives: first, there is noise. Street noise, firecrackers during the many holidays, loud music from open bars and dance venues (no zoning in Mexico, for the most part, and absolutely no public concept of noise pollution, despite some laws on the books). Neighbors can be very difficult in this respect, since Mexicans are sensitive types and tend to take any correction personally -- in a sense this is a kind of emotional immaturity due to the children being overly coddled from birth, which gives the person a kind of self-centredness. Objectivity and logic are not Mexican strong points, to say the least. Remember, a lot of the friendliness of Mexicans towards Americans is simply on the surface and owing to the fact that opportunism is rampant in the culture. Essentially, the outer world is there to get what you can; only the family and a very few childhood friends get truly close to a typical Mexican. I might add that the Mexican middle class can be just awful in their arrogance and "nouveau riche" attitudes and tastes. Typically they have a technical/professional education, but very little true culture or refinement. Remember that Mexico is deeply racist and inwardly divided by "caste" (money, status), and with an inferiority complex towards North Americans, even in the less "white" middle class. Read "Distant Neighbors," for a very accurate yet generous description of the character.

mckenzy
Nov 25, 2017 08:48

Hello, when you say phone & Internet is $600 MX do you mean 600 pesos? I don't understand your pricing with the dollar sign in front of a large number then MX after it. For example: today's currency rate is 18.56 pesos = $1.00 US. So, would this be $32.33? Thanks! Mary

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    and banners.promised = ''
    and banners.type <> 'swf'
gettopbanner (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=2, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navbottomad_rdesign5.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
	Select *
	From banners
	WHERE status <> "hold"
	AND position = "eebanner"
	and weight = 10 
    and toDate > "2020-07-15"
    and fromDate < "2020-07-16"
        and banners.promised = ''
    and banners.type <> 'swf'
UpdatePageViews (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navbottomad_rdesign5.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
  UPDATE banners
  SET impressions = impressions + 1
  WHERE bannerid = 862 
gethpbox (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmpu_rdesign5.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
	Select *
	From banners
	WHERE status <> "hold"
	AND (position = "eehpbox" or position = "eehpboxglobal")
    and toDate > {ts '2020-07-15 12:36:41'}
    and fromDate <{ts '2020-07-16 12:36:41'}
    and banners.type <> 'swf'
    
UpdatePageViews (Datasource=expert, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navmpu_rdesign5.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
  UPDATE banners
  SET impressions = impressions + 1
  WHERE bannerid = 866 
GetMessages (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/commentsnew_rdesign4.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
  SELECT *
  FROM comments m 
  WHERE m.tpcid = 28194 
  and m.commenttype = 2
  and m.isapproved = 1
  ORDER BY msgid ASC
GetUser (Datasource=forum, Time=0ms, Records=0) in /home/www/html/commentsnew_rdesign4.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
  SELECT *
  FROM users
  WHERE userid = 2 
GetUser (Datasource=forum, Time=1ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/commentsnew_rdesign4.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
  SELECT *
  FROM users
  WHERE userid = 87269 
gethealthsummary (Datasource=expert, Time=0ms, Records=1, Cached Query) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:41.041
	Select summary, hpimg
	From articles, articlePlacement, articleCategories
	Where articlePlacement.networkID = 77 
	AND articlePlacement.articleID = articles.articleID
   	and articleCategories.articleID = articles.articleID
   	and articleCategories.section = 9
   	and articles.sectionintro = 'y'
    ORDER by articles.articleID desc
checkmovingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
         where rid = 63
         and city <> ''
        
         and allreports.answerid <> 28194         
         and networkid = 77
          and citynetworkid = 5313
		order by date DESC
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select summary, hiimg, hpimg
		FROM answers
         	where answerid = 72056 
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select summary, hiimg, hpimg
		FROM answers
         	where answerid = 2565 
checklivingfeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
         where rid = 58
            
         and allreports.answerid <> 28194         
           and city <> ''
         and networkid = 77
          and citynetworkid = 5313
		order by date DESC
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select summary, hiimg, hpimg
		FROM answers
      where answerid = 75823 
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select summary, hiimg, hpimg
		FROM answers
      where answerid = 27074 
checkretirefeature (Datasource=expert, Time=5ms, Records=2) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select networkname as ctry, city, networkid, rid, networkname, answerid
		FROM allreports
         where rid = 96
            
         and allreports.answerid <> 28194         
         and networkid = 77
          and citynetworkid = 5313
         and city <> ''
         order by date DESC
getsummary (Datasource=reports, Time=0ms, Records=1) in /home/www/html/navcontentboxcitypc.cfm @ 12:36:42.042
		Select summary, hiimg, hpimg
		FROM answers
         	where answerid = 76018 


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