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mag420
9/16/2018 08:23 EST

Are there long term unfurnished apartments in David or Boquete for under $550?

Much thanks.

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ptyexpat
9/16/2018 11:00 EST

Hi Mag420,
First I want to point out that your decision to reside in Chiriqui is clearly the best option for the vast majority of expats who want to live in Panama and indulge in the good life. David is coming of age in that there are many large scale public works projects underway that will modernize and bring David up to date. There are many rental options throughout David and surrounding areas with so many new apartments and housing developments opening up all the time, again there is no shortage of rental options and your budget would work in David and most surrounding areas.

However I would discourage you from considering Boquete for a multitude of reasons, first your budget would not work in Boquete because the there is competition among the greedy rental operators to see who can charge the most, also Boquete has turned into a ghetto with destroyed streets, rising crime, home invasions and a huge social various among the expat community. There are more people exiting Boquete than entering with more than 500 unsold stagnant homes on the market which should tell you something. I would suggest you to cross Boquete off your list unless you want to be disappointed after you commit to a rental contract but by then it will be too late.

I’ve been in Panama off and on for more than 30 years and have seen the rise of David (which is still growing) and the fall of other areas like Boquete. Right now my wife and I are going out the door for a day trip to enjoy the wonderful atmosphere Chiriqui offers so I will try to spend some time looking on the local networks for rental options and post them her for you.

Welcome to Chiriqui, you are on the right track.

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ElSantuarioEstate
9/16/2018 15:18 EST

yes, our streets are under construction because we're getting a new water system and it's taking a long time!! Eventually, the road work will be done and we will be back to one of the prettiest towns in the world!
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/lifestyle/lifestylegeneral/50-of-the-most-beautiful-small-towns-in-the-world/ss-BBNgDOT#image=22

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ElSantuarioEstate
9/16/2018 15:21 EST

Yes, I have a Panamanian style 2 bedroom apartment, tile floors, small kitchen and $300 a month, 6 month lease Quiet, local area in Bajo Boquete.
contact me if you're looking for something starting now/October.

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cinparadise
9/16/2018 16:28 EST

David or Boquete are good choices. Check Craig's List Panama's rental section, there are plenty of rentals for under $550.

The one area to avoid is Potrerillos, it's located in between David and Boquete. There's a prison located there where people are escaping all of the time hence the crime there has always been bad. One expat was home invaded and they shot and stabbed her resulting in a three month hospital stay.

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SAY
9/16/2018 23:36 EST

I hope you got my private message with contact info for housing in David

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Dlee1154
9/17/2018 01:06 EST

I will say with your budget you are better off financially in David. I live in Boquete but am moving to David because Boquete is just too small for me as a single person. I need more to do and more infrastructure around me. Boquete is expensive, no way around it, but it has wonderful temperatures. David is hot, no way around that, but much cheaper and larger, with many great stores, movie theater, etc. To get an ap't in Boquete for $300, it would have to be unfurnished, which means more than no furniture, it means no stove, refrigerator or anything else. So, those are my major differences between the two.

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DavidNW
9/17/2018 03:39 EST

Hi,

Would you have, or know of any furnished accommodation available from 1st December? Regards,

David.

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mag420
9/17/2018 12:13 EST

So, '...in all the gin mills, in all the world...' Where do the expats hang out in David? Much thanks.

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panamajames
9/17/2018 12:26 EST

I have one available from Dec 6 to the 23rd in Boquete.

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PanamaJackie
9/17/2018 16:55 EST

I have a 3 bedroom 2 bath partially furnished for $600 in Boquete. Has stove, refrigerator and stackable washer/dryer. Would consider $550 for a long term lease. Send a PM.

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tmamato2001
9/17/2018 17:39 EST

I cant imagine what a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom place for $550 must look like. It is unusual even for Panama! We are trying to elevate the price of real estate here to more normal levels. Please proceed cautiously.

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PanamaJackie
9/17/2018 17:50 EST

The $550 in Boquete is Really nice house with a fenced yard. And yes, it has hot water at all faucets. It does have a dirt road in front of it. Behind Gago and really close to a bus stop. Across street from grocery store.

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SAY
9/17/2018 19:02 EST

ttomato.

elevate real estate to normal prices???

Are you also going to elevate a constant water and electric supply to go with those elevated prices? I think not. Epecially when Panama doesn;t produce enough electricity to meet its needs


And where are all the good roads and smooth sidewalks that we can use while we pay inflated reat estate prices?

Haven't you noticed that there is more real estate for sale than there are buyers? And tourism is down. so there goes more potential buyers and renters.

Try thinking about where you are instead of your greed

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tmamato2001
9/17/2018 19:23 EST

We have very few problems with electric and we have our own well so no problems there. I am not sure why some people take shots at infrastructure. Just spend the money to fix your place and stop complaining. It is not helpful to those that want to immigrate to our wonderful country.

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tmamato2001
9/17/2018 19:25 EST

There is no greed here we just don't want those who do not want to be in Panama. Complaining does not help anyone. If you cannot afford to be be here please move back. We really need people that can afford to invest in our country and help it move forward.

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ptyexpat
9/17/2018 22:16 EST

Only the uninformed and those who have their head in the sand would move to a place like Boquete where you will pay inflated prices for an exceptionally over rated town saturated with arrogant gringos whose sole mission is to strip unsuspecting tourist and new arrivals of their money.

So what do you really get for your money in Boquete? How about high crime that is cleverly suppressed by the expat community so as to protect their capital investments or the outrageously destroyed sidewalks and public infrastructure including the roads, and let’s not forget the serious lack of EMS services or the toxic fecal contaminated water. Try eating at one of the restaurants without getting sick or ripped off.

What to buy a house in Boquete? No problem there are hundreds upon hundreds of stagnated over priced homes that sit on the market for years. Just wait next year when the Government of Panama implements the new impending property tax laws then watch and see how many more homes go on the market.

Buying anything in Boquete is like buying a ticket on the Titanic and we all know how well that worked out.
Boquete may be ok for a short visit but I wouldn’t want to live there!

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gvida0825
9/17/2018 22:30 EST

Wow Ptyexpat! I hope that you were only in Boquete for a visit and got out as soon as you made your assessment of the place.

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cinparadise
9/18/2018 16:25 EST

Gvida0825,

Ptyexpat is splitting his prozacs in half again.

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SAY
9/18/2018 22:05 EST

Hey tmamato2001 Man

I am not complaining about Panama's infrastructure. I came here with my eyes wide open, In fact, I spent my first two days in your glorious. Boquete, with power outages,

There is a reason Panama has a lower cost of living; we have to live with inconveniences,

My complaint is with expats like you who try to rip off other expats, many who are coming here to live more cheaply. You ask for incredible prices on housing, like this is the Garden of Eden. It is not.

It is a good place for retirement. If people are aware of the shortcomings, they can mentally prepare for and adjust to them much better.

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llseldon
9/18/2018 22:30 EST

I had a retired airline pilot friend in the Dallas area who owned a town house in Valle Escondido, Boquete who took him 5 years to sell it, think about it.

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QuirosV
9/21/2018 00:42 EST

You should consider Volcan as well.

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retirementfreedom
9/23/2018 21:22 EST

I also plan to move to Panama to retire. From Canada, so I am used to the cold but am tired of it. Any suggestions of a temperate climate? I can and will get climatized to the heat if need be as I once lived in Cuba for a year working there. It took 6 months tho. When I came back to Canada I nearly froze to death.Lol. Please help. Thanks

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retirementfreedom
9/23/2018 21:27 EST

Why can't I find any places in David under $1200 per month? What am I doing wrong. Please Help

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Dlee1154
9/23/2018 21:47 EST

Go to Encuentra24.com/Panama. Choose Chiriqui region

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Dlee1154
9/23/2018 21:47 EST

Go to Encuentra24.com/Panama. Choose Chiriqui region

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volcan357
9/24/2018 01:30 EST

Encuentro 24 is good but if it were me I would stay at an airbnb and rent a car and look around a bit before you decide on a place to rent.

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volcan357
9/24/2018 01:35 EST

I might have a place in Volcan to rent for a reasonable price but you shouldn't rent from me or anyone else until you look around a bit and decide what you like.

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llseldon
9/24/2018 02:48 EST

Amen to volcan357, without a doubt.
Salutes amigos de Chagres

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tmamato2001
9/24/2018 02:56 EST

Come to the Pacific coast between Chame and Rio Hato. Cleaner nicer more services and more!!!!

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DavidNW
9/24/2018 03:59 EST

You could try searching on Craigslist (Panama Section). Most Internet searches tend to throw up sites that are very commercial and the accommodations seem very expensive - Craigslist seem to list ads for apartments at a much lower price. I'm also thinking of retirement in Panama. As I understand it, Boquete has a pleasant climate that makes it attractive to most ex-pats, as it does not get unbearably hot. David, on the other hand, is very hot with temperatures hitting the 30 Celcius mark every day. A lot of people have told me that David is cheaper to live in than Boquete.

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panamajames
9/24/2018 11:59 EST

There are some really nice places on Air BnB

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/6203631?location=Boquete%2C%20Chiriqui%2C%20Panama&guests=1&s=GtDrEAQu

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volcan357
9/24/2018 14:24 EST

Volcan is cheaper than Boquete and has the same cool climate. Volcan has been growing a lot and has quite a few expats too although not near as many as Boquete. David is very hot especially in March and April but actually any time the sun is out. Not as bad when it is cloudy. PriceSmart is on the side of David closest to Volcan and Bugaba. So you can drive to PriceSmart and the Chiriqui Mall from Volcan without actually entering David. There is an immigration office in the Chiriqui Mall so I think you can go through the immigration process without going to Panama City. Also there is a new Super Xtra in Bugaba which is 30 minutes from Volcan. In addition to the SuperXtra Bugaba has Romeros and a Super ninety nine. They also have Cochez and Franklin Jurado in Bugaba. In Volcan itself we have Romeros plus Super Berards and various Chinese owned supermarkets. There are also two large Chinese owned building supplies. There are a number of different banks both in Bugaba and in Volcan. There are several different woodshops in Volcan where they make furniture and do closets and kitchen cabinets. There are a couple of natural lakes in Volcan surrounded by a protected forest area. It is popular with birders. Unlike the drive between David and Boquete, the drive between Bugaba and Volcan is very scenic with lush green vegetation. Above Bugaba on the way to Volcan there is a beautiful well kept horse farm for about a half a kilometre on both sides of the road. Further up the road there are some attractive dairy farms where it is always green even in the dry season. Above Volcan in Cerro Punta they grow much of the produce for the whole country of Panama. Along the road on the way to Cerro Punta you can buy fresh vegetables very reasonable. Much cheaper than the supermarkets. On the road between Volcan and Rio Sereno at the Costa Rican border there is a coffee growing area which is also very scenic. From Volcan it is a one hour drive to David. It is also a one hour drive to Paso Canoa the main border crossing to Costa Rica. The view of Volcan Baru is much more spectacular from the Volcan side than the Boqute side of the volcano. Actually from my own house which sits on top of a hill overlooking a canyon I think I have one of the best views of Volcan Baru in in the whole country. In all of Panama there are only two towns of any size that have a cool climate and they are Boquete and Volcan. David has grown to the point where there is not much need to go to Panama City to buy anything. Also COPA airlines has added a lot of flights so you can fly from David and make a connection to somewhere else in the same day without having to leave the airport at Tocumen. Sometimes COPA has promotions for flights from David so it is actually cheaper to fly from David to somewhere than from Tocuman itself. My favourite big city in Latin America is Medellin. From David you can leave on COPA in the morning and be in Medellin the same afternoon at a very reasonable price especially with your jubilado discount. Anyway what I am saying is that Chiriqui is a good choice as a province and Volcan is a good option if you are looking for a cooler climate.

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panamajames
9/24/2018 15:07 EST

I really like Volcan as well. Volcan357 is right on the money for all of that info. If you enjoy the farming life in a cooler climate, Volcan gets my vote. It has a bigger and better Romeros than Boquete does, it has an actual hospital where Boquete only has a polyclinica, and more. Boquete has more banks, restaurants, adventure tourism activities, and housing developments but it is more expensive living. If everyone enjoyed living in one particular area, it would get very crowded there. It's good to have choices.

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margieotl
9/25/2018 12:11 EST

Wow! Ptyexpat is clearly disgruntled and wants to pass that negativity around. Beware of anyone too positive or too negative.

We live in Boquete and love it. The weather is ideal. I go to David once a week - and yes, David is much larger with big box stores etc. Boquete is small town living, David is city living. Apples and oranges. So, it depends on what you want. David is less expensive for sure. It is also mega hot. I have had no issue with crime, and am not aware of any crime spree in Boquete. The orads are torn up and we will all be glad when the new system install is complete!

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FredfromArkansas
9/25/2018 12:25 EST

You will find people that hate Panama and people that love it. Half of all expats move back in the first year.

Remember that Panama is NOT the United States South. If you can adapt, you can be very happy. If you can't, you will be miserable. You can try to change the entire country, including language and customs (good luck with that), or you can change your attitude. I haven't made the move yet, just one visit so far, and try to read every negative thing I can, just to get a balanced view. We are looking forward to our second trip next month, probably another trip next year, and retiring in 2020.

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llseldon
9/25/2018 12:42 EST

Whatever you do don’t miss Boquete & Tuesday morning at BCP.
Saludos amigos.

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dogbone
9/25/2018 14:12 EST

I totally agree with the last poster about Boquete. We lived there for over 2 years and hated it. I cannot think of even one thing I liked about it, including the weather. Our house was robbed more than once and we had to move away for my health because I was so afraid there I could not sleep and I had constant colds and allergies from the cold and humidity at night.

However - be careful if you chose to live in David. Most of the crime committed in Boquete is by gangs from David. A Panamanian friend recently told me that the Panamanian Government is very concerned about the ever rising crime in David. That said, there are safe areas there.

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panamajames
9/25/2018 16:16 EST

Lived in Boquete full time for the past 8 years or more. Part time since 2004. No break-ins or robberies in our part of town. There are parts of town where you would want security. We love the weather. Gets down to 60 overnight and up to 85 in the daytime, averages around 72 or thereabouts. Perfect weather for us. We get some rain in rainy season but it keeps everything green and we get wind in dry season, but overall the temperature never changes. We grow bananas, oranges and Limes in our backyard year round, so it is not cold. Fresh is a better word. No colds or allergies for me. Perfect climate in my books and perfect health as a result. Lots of haves and have-nots in this country. Live your life with security in mind as you are not in Kansas any longer Toto.

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llseldon
9/25/2018 19:44 EST

Do you live in Valle Escondido.

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dogbone
9/26/2018 11:34 EST

ptyexpat, I could not agree with you more about Boquete. We lived there for about 2 years and that was one of the worst times in our lives. The realtors lied to us about everything. The move to and move out caused us untold anguish and expense I do get emotional satisfaction out of trashing Boquete. It is a hell hole.

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llseldon
9/26/2018 12:14 EST

dogbone we are al, this is why it isbestto rent & look around the county. Beware of International Living IL & others, I say cuidado watch all but watch ExPats closer. Saludos amigo de Chagres & panamajames

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llseldon
9/26/2018 22:23 EST

Wow, my iPhone is loco, correction: dogbone et al, this is why it is best to rent & look around the county.

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mghinton
9/28/2018 14:05 EST

i have a home in cerro cama on tiop of a small mountan overlooking lake gatun an hour from panama city can be rented for that

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SAY
3/13/2019 21:41 EST

Mag, In David and nearby communities, yes. I gave you a man's name months ago. You can get a 3 bedroom house for 400.oo really nice house and property

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dogbone
3/14/2019 10:55 EST

You are absolutely right DLee about David. Boquete is expensive and not worth the money. As long as the heat doesn't bother you, David has everything a person could possibly want. When we lived in Boquete, we did almost everything in David. I did not like most of the restaurants and stores in Boquete and when I was recently in Boquete to visit friends, I still did not like them and thought everything was too expensive.

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dogbone
3/14/2019 11:05 EST

I absolutely agree, SAY. Panama as a whole, except maybe PC, lacks adequate infrastructure for the existence of really expensive homes. Boquete especially. Does anyone really want a great big house and not enough or tainted water??? Does anyone really want a really big house and not have sufficient electricity to run all the gadgets? i agree that RE prices in Panama in the hot areas are already too high for what you get for your money.

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cinparadise
3/14/2019 12:00 EST

Poor Dogbone, life is so exciting where you live that your only entertainment is to act like a troll and post lies about Boquete, a place you obviously can't afford to live.

Here, enjoy this video of one of the most beautiful places in the world:

https://youtu.be/y5-xPmhCVeE

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ptyexpat
3/14/2019 21:40 EST

cinparadise (the most prolific generator of disingenuous information) you are obviously disparate to sell Boquete to the uneducated and uninformed. Do you really think that anyone is buying the sugar coated crap that you’re peddling?

Your fictitious narrative(s) that Boquete is some kind of wonderland filled with everything one could ever want is better suited for one of those international living magazines laced with warm fuzzy B/S. If you thought you could get away with it you would claim that Boquete’s streets were paved with gold but in reality all you have to offer is fool’s gold.

We understand cinparadise , you’re desperate to try and keep your home’s value up so that one day you can sell it to some unsuspecting & uninformed gringo who stumbled into Boquete with blinders on.

You never want to talk about the real issues rather you think that by distracting and diverting attention away from all the shortcomings in Boquete that nobody will notice, good luck with that.

It won’t be long before you grow tired of spewing all your disingenuous propaganda and join the long list of disgruntled people who departed Boquete with their head facing the ground in disgust and embarrassment that they drank too much of the Boquete cool-aid.

Dogbone is absolutely correct with everything she has to say about Boquete, the difference is she was informed and intelligent enough to recognize that Boquete was declining and quickly evolving into a gringo ghetto.

Anyone with a remote amount of interest in moving to Boquete would be wise to take onto account her first hand observations and years of boots on the ground experience.


The same could not be said about your cheap one sided nonsensical B/S cinparadise. Some day you’ll pay a heavy price for perpetuating this little fictitious pipe dream, in the mean time those in the know are ROFLAO.


cinparadise is a classic example of what happens to blind, deaf and dump people who abandon commonsense (and all of the hard earned money and personal safety) for a short lived dead end life in Boquete.

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PanamaJackie
3/14/2019 21:53 EST

A friend has two houses for rent in Boquete.

1 bedroom for $350 = all utilities included, fenced yard

2 bedroom + office - all utilities included with fenced yard.

You might be able to find cheaper rent in David but you will spend a fortune o electric bills because you WiLL need air conditioning there.

There are plenty of social activities in Boquete to keep you busy.

David is a 30 minute drive (or $1.75 bus) away.

I rarely go to David because I can get everything I need in Boquete plus it is just too darn HOT in David

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marta231655
3/15/2019 09:01 EST

my wife is from Chorrera, we will be back soon to retire. The number one thing we want to do is an area with as few expats as possible. It has been our unfortunate experience to see that many expats ruin many area for everyone form paying too much to thinking they are superior

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llseldon
3/15/2019 11:12 EST

Marta231655, it should be no problem, La Chorrera is still mostly Panamanian with few ExPats, so good luck.

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marta231655
3/15/2019 11:31 EST

we were thinking more towards the interior and close to the beach. looking for a piece of property maybe a little underdeveloped for now.(thinking about using solar for power, we are also going to ship our RV down and do a lot of traveling between costa rica and panama, then build a very simple house on our property. and I mean very simple LOL

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marta231655
3/15/2019 11:31 EST

we were thinking more towards the interior and close to the beach. looking for a piece of property maybe a little underdeveloped for now.(thinking about using solar for power, we are also going to ship our RV down and do a lot of traveling between costa rica and panama, then build a very simple house on our property. and I mean very simple LOL

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panamajames
3/15/2019 11:40 EST

Travelling in a vehicle between Costa Rica and Panama can be a problem. You really have to know a lot about licensing in various countries. There are always tow trucks at the border between Panama and Costa Rica, hauling vehicles away who thought that they could just drive their Panama vehicle into Costa Rica and there would be no problems at the border. Best to use your RV in Panama only, and rent one in Costa Rica. Even rental car companies will not let you take your rental across borders. If the licensing is not perfect, the vehicle will be confiscated and you can expect $100 a day fines until you get your vehicle released. There are people who do it, but they learn the licensing ropes very well before they attempt it. As for leaving your very little home on the beach vacant while you travel, don't leave a lot of valuables in there, as they may not be there when you return. Just a heads up about leaving your place vacant. Perhaps list it on Air BnB and rent it out while you are away on trips............Enjoy

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llseldon
3/15/2019 12:07 EST

marta 231655 then I´d say Azuero peninsula, Chitre, Las Tables, Pedasi, etc.
Buena suerte

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jr555
3/15/2019 17:52 EST

Marta231655, I’m assuming you’re in the U.S. where the roads are wide and friendly for driving large vehicles. Panamanian roads are narrower, turn offs can be sharp, road surfaces often poor and generally not set up for the bigger stuff. Camper vans and slightly larger I can see, but 20 foot +? When I’ve been out and about I can’t say that I have ever seen an RV on the roads. I’ve seen them parked on people’s lots and occasionally driven around the block to exercise moving parts, but that’s it. I have to think that with so many expats over here there’d be RV’s everywhere if it were a good idea!
If after giving the idea more thought you still believe this is what you want, check out local ads for what might be available and maybe save yourself money and aggravation of not having to ship.

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Chucklesg
3/15/2019 18:57 EST

I am an avid RVer in the US and having been in Panama many times and holding a resident visa, the only RV I would consider in Panama is a truck camper, such that after driving there, you have a useful truck and a guest room on stilts!

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Normando
3/16/2019 07:32 EST

RVs in Panama have been there for over 30 years, since we have been RVing in Panama. The roads are amble to handle any motorhome or trailer (see the size of the busses!)

Shiela has a nice campground the XS Memories, in Santa Clara with full hookups and restaurant .- if you Google "campgrounds" there are also another dozen or more, and you can always park at a hotel or other "park'.

We always travel from the US to Panama and also to South America via RV, have done so over 30 years and do the ExPat treks from Texas. adventuretrek.com Columbia is also a beautiful country to RV in, and there is Ushuaia, Argentina - that's the other end of the highway from Alaska - there you will find the SIGN that reads "ALASKA-17,888 KMS" a big must on RVers bucketlist....

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Normando
3/16/2019 07:32 EST

RVs in Panama have been there for over 30 years, since we have been RVing in Panama. The roads are amble to handle any motorhome or trailer (see the size of the busses!)

Shiela has a nice campground the XS Memories, in Santa Clara with full hookups and restaurant .- if you Google "campgrounds" there are also another dozen or more, and you can always park at a hotel or other "park'.

We always travel from the US to Panama and also to South America via RV, have done so over 30 years and do the ExPat treks from Texas. adventuretrek.com Columbia is also a beautiful country to RV in, and there is Ushuaia, Argentina - that's the other end of the highway from Alaska - there you will find the SIGN that reads "ALASKA-17,888 KMS" a big must on RVers bucketlist....

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Normando
3/16/2019 07:33 EST

RVs in Panama have been there for over 30 years, since we have been RVing in Panama. The roads are amble to handle any motorhome or trailer (see the size of the busses!)

Shiela has a nice campground the XS Memories, in Santa Clara with full hookups and restaurant .- if you Google "campgrounds" there are also another dozen or more, and you can always park at a hotel or other "park'.

We always travel from the US to Panama and also to South America via RV, have done so over 30 years and do the ExPat treks from Texas. adventuretrek.com Columbia is also a beautiful country to RV in, and there is Ushuaia, Argentina - that's the other end of the highway from Alaska - there you will find the SIGN that reads "ALASKA-17,888 KMS" a big must on RVers bucketlist....

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marta231655
3/16/2019 09:40 EST

I lived in panama before. and we visit regularly, yes the roads are bad but better than they used to be. We have looked at craigslist for RV's there. we had also considered doing a road trip form the US to panama, but lately the situation does not look good. Shipping is around 5k. still in the planning phase but that is where we will retire

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llseldon
3/16/2019 10:58 EST

During previous visits I’d see Europeans with trailer “eggs”, etc. at the Balboa Yacht Club (BYC) camped out & enroute to SA. BYC is a good “networking” venue for many things.
Saludos amigos de Chagres, sonrisas

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jeb69
3/16/2019 22:56 EST

I've lived in Boquete for over 3 years, only 3 blocks from downtown, and have never had a problem with crime so don't let PtyExpat discourage you from considering moving here. I have a child I allow to actually be one, unlike what I could do in the States, because it's so much safer. I have no idea what happened to make you so bitter, Ptyexpat, but I think we are all tired of hearing it. Give it a rest. Seriously.

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ssaunders88
3/20/2019 10:22 EST

HI Marta. Please, follow your instincts and abandon the notion of driving your RV through Mexico and the northern parts of Central America to Panama.

You are correct - times and conditions have changed and it's too risky, especially as you transit northern Central America.

On a MONTHLY basis, large multi nationals are pulling-up stakes and leaving due to security reasons. (Of course, this is NOT the case in Panama) - I am talking North C.A.)

You can visit the US Embassy website for the perspective countries and check the travel advisories and contact them through email. Initially you may get an automated message referring you back to the website and sometimes a follow-up with some advice.

In Panama, with a US drivers license, you can go to the US embassy and fill out a form and within hours get a Panama drivers license which you will need.

I am sure if you check RV forums, you may find some RVers that did the trip recently without incident but it's a numbers game and conditions are very fluid.

Simply stated, it;s not worth the risk. In an RV - you are a large moving target - a home on wheels that is better than most living conditions.

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marta231655
3/20/2019 10:27 EST

thanks for the reply, we are trying to finalize things here in the US. I am trying to get my citizenship before we return to panama to retire, hopefully soon. our thoughts is to buy a property somewhere travel a bit in the rv while we are building a small home.

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ssaunders88
3/20/2019 13:07 EST

Hi RetirementFreedom - 'temperate climate?' Well, you lived in Cuba and Panama is closer to the equator.?

Yes, a few locations in Panama that have higher elevations, a cooler climate but being mostly expat communities - much higher prices, with the exception of Volcan but there are trade offs.

I have a Canadian friend I worked with in SE Asia who returned home to Western Canada. - He sent me pictures of the snow and is hoping that by May, there will be enough thaw to dig out his car! We are entering a Solar Minimum = Mini Ice Age, so methinks your exodus is quite timely.

Just imagine, as you are wiping the sweat from your brow in October, you'll turn on the Canadian Weather channel and smile!

I think your choice of David is a good place to start.. I've visited it several times and it reminds of Cebu Philippines. A city that is a work in progress and will get better with each passing year.

Rents and cost of living are lower than Panama City - good public transport not only locally but a large bus terminal that can take you anywhere in Panama and beyond and of course, an airport

Many great local shops for food and the local population is very friendly,however, you must speak some Spanish. (you can find youtube Spanish Language videos and practice 20-30 min daily. Practice the pronunciation and write down the words and phrases in a note book - which will help the long term memory - 20 min a day will do)

Start out with a short term rental apartment and find someone local that speaks English or higher an Uber taxi driver that speaks English for an hour and have him drive you around the city - the driver will tell you which areas are safe and which are not. (this worked for me in Panama City)

You won't need a car in David and considering the amenities and infrastructure, an easier transition.

I would talk to realtors but NOT waste their time, having them show you houses etc. when you are not really in the market and you shouldn't be - rent for at least a year and take your time.

From an investment and safety point of view, Panama is one of the best places to live in Latin America. It's a SAFE HAVEN or to some of us, a GREEN ZONE = SAFE AND STABLE. (Believe it or not, there are only several such locations identified like this globally - Panama being one of them)

Above all - one the most civil and courteous societies I ever lived in and I lived and visited many countries in both hemispheres / East & West

Also - no small issue these days - easy and secure Visa policies.

For those who are seeking to escape the cold winters but not comfortable in the tropics - central or northern Florida would be a better choice..

For myself, I prefer Panama City.. but again - it's a lifestyle choice and I have much more to see and explore in Panama.

cheers and safe journey!

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ssaunders88
3/20/2019 13:15 EST

HI Marta - DEFINITELY wait until you get your citizenship! I have friends from abroad that waited years and then right before, - left and lost the opportunity.

This is no reflection on your country of origin but considering you must have applied / waiting for years - see it through..

For example - getting a drivers license takes six months + and having to attend classes etc. (Doesn't matter how long you've been driving!) But, with a US Passport - it takes a few hours, filling out a form and paying the fee.)

Also, depending on your country of origin, this may figure in when applying for a Visa...

all the best!

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ssaunders88
3/20/2019 13:48 EST

Hi Marta

You mentioned that your plan was to:

Buy property (Land) & travel in your RV while your house is being built...

Correcto?

Think carefully to what I am about to write....

While you are having your house built - you or your surrogate NEED to be there and inspect it during construction! This rule applies ANYWHERE in the world...

It needs to be supervised / monitored by someone independent during the construction process and make sure you have a solid contract and proper legal representation..

"Sure, I'll have this built in 6 months!' meanwhile - 9 months later and another 50,000 miles on your RV, 'Are you sure it will only take another two month???'

The US Embassy posts a list of law firms as well as medical doctors they have vetted..

Be careful when buying land and title issues... Do not close / pay in full until you have a clean title for the land...

I may know what your thinking.. 'It's a simple house - 4 walls..." .etc.. However - with new construction - you need: water feeds, electric, sewage, filings: plan approval, construction permits, legal fees... and after it's done - inspections & sign-offs... It's not like what it was 10-20+ years ago where you can throw a simple structure up and move in... (like a wooden frame with a tin roof)

What if you are traveling around Panama in your RV and come across an area that you really love and would like to stay there?

Please look into what's involved with building a place, the costs, legal, timelines etc. You may wish to defer until you've spent several months here and traveled around in your RV?

You should know, I am NOT a realtor - not trying to sell you anything.. I have 15+ years in Real Estate & Development and spoke with developers here and heard the horror stories.. whether it by errant contractors and / or open-ended delays and delays and delays due to the bureaucracy .

Better do some homework...

You get the idea...

all the best!~

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marta231655
3/20/2019 14:06 EST

no problem, I am from panama and have a lot of family there also

thanks

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marta231655
3/20/2019 14:06 EST

no problem, I am from panama and have a lot of family there also

thanks

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marta231655
3/20/2019 14:08 EST

originally form La Chorrera actually Herradura, born in santo tomas as well as all my kids, and still remember the invasion

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missinglink
3/20/2019 15:04 EST

I remember the first time my wife and I went to Boquete . It was for the jazz and blues festival with a couple of friends from PC. My friends went with a charter bus and we decided to drive as we wanted to do some other side trips as I was looking at other potential areas to live and had not traveled extensive the west very much.
We arrived late in the day so we strait to the hotel. The next day we met up with our friends at Mikes Global Grill a EX Pat hangout but full of people just for the festival. We were sitting beside the bar and a regular barfly (originally from Florida the locals will know whom I speak of) struck up a conversation with me. The first thing he asked was what I was doing there and I said here for the festival .His reply was oh good in case you are looking for property the only thing to do here is drink. I think he was the poster boy for that. After a couple of our own drinks we decided to walk around town and take in the sights and see what Bouquete was about. After hanging out for the afternoon and interacting with people the first conclusion was that its way to cold,damp and windy for our liking. We actually bailed the next morning and went to Las Lajas ,didn't come to Panama to be cold and miserable

We couldn't get a good feel for the community as most weren't residences. The few local Panamanians we met were great.
We have been back a few more times out side of the festival to get a better feel for the area and on most occasions the interactions we had with Expats were for the most part cold and standoffish. You got the feel that they have been hard done by.

In conclusion the weather is just way to cold, damp and windy but there are people who like that. Different strokes for different folks. And the Expat thing not a highlight.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:10 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:10 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:10 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:10 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:10 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:11 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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Normando
3/20/2019 19:11 EST

The distance to Panama from McAllen, Texas is aprox. 2600 mi.

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SunsetSteve
3/20/2019 19:19 EST

Enough!

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volcan357
3/20/2019 19:28 EST

Talking about being cold and damp I live in Volcan at 1400 meters in elevation. I built my house on top of a hill with most of the windows facing the morning sun (also the view of Volcan Baru). Since most mornings are sunny in the rainy season the sun heats up the inside of the house especially the tile floor. Then in the afternoon when it is chilly and raining the inside of my house is at least ten degrees warmer than outside. I have a maximum minimum thermometer in my living room where it never gets colder than the low seventies nor warmer than the upper seventies at any time during the year. No heat and no air-conditioning. When I first came here before I built my house I was too cold sometimes so I brought down two propane gas heaters from Tennessee. However I never used them and that was almost 20 years ago. I still have them if anyone is interested.

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ptyexpat
3/20/2019 20:07 EST

Seems like most who visit Boquete leave with a bad impression only to be condemned and dismissed by those who have a disingenuous agenda that includes down playing anything that reflects negatively about the town.

This is true when the observations and opinions of individuals who experienced the unpopular and negative undercurrents of Boquete turn’s them off.

Let there be no doubt in anyone’s mind that Boquete is on the decline and has never been nor ever will be the wonderland that the defenders of Boquete want you to believe. People are smart and no longer falling for the inflated B/S that the promoters of Boquete peddle.

Understandably fare more people are leaving Boquete (never to return) then are arriving. Unfortunately for them they will likely never recover any of their capital investments and struggle with buyers remorse.

Panama can be a wonderful place to visit and even retire as long as it isn’t Boquete!

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SAY
3/20/2019 21:07 EST

marta,

Maybe one day you can pm me and tell me what the invasion was like. Or we can stay in touch until you move here. I have asked my Panamanian friends about it, but they are very reluctant to talk about it. They shrug and give a dismissive grunt {not a positive grunt) I really want to know what it was like here under the rule of Noriega from an average Panamanian's perspective.

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SAY
3/20/2019 21:12 EST

ptyexpat,

I have a question that has been puzzling me for a few years. Boquete says that they have the only public library outside of Panama City. But that is not true. Puerto Armuelles has a public library, I think since the Chiquita days. The library has computers and internet service and events and books that are open to the public. How can Boquete make its claim?

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fricotin
3/20/2019 21:20 EST

There is also a public library in Valle de Anton with computers.

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panamajames
3/21/2019 06:16 EST

Perhaps this information may help on the Boquete Library which was the first lending library in Panama. That was it's claim to fame, not that it is the only library.

It was an interesting concept as expats are used to the process of a lending library, but the locals didn't quite understand. They were given the books at no charge, but did not realize that they actually had to bring the books back. There were many instances where they complained that they were given these books, so why was the library so insistent that they return these books? Now they understand the concept and it is working much better. It took awhile.

The library opened its doors in February 2012 as the first lending library in Panama. The modern 3 story stone and glass building is a distinguished addition to the Boquete landscape. Free WiFi and computers with internet are available, while the 3rd floor art gallery features monthly displays from local artists. Many world class guitarists and musicians play often and have concerts at the library.

Check the online calendar for concerts and activities. Open Mon-Sat 10am-7pm.

https://www.biblioboquete.com/

It truly is a National treasure to say the least as it probably is the finest library in Central America to be found in a town of 25,000 people. The library is also Boquete’s principle art gallery with a new show every month.

Weekly music classes are offered free of charge. Local children come for story time in both Spanish and English, and authors and speakers come to share their knowledge and expertise with ever-growing audiences.

Many clubs meet there including a new Chess club for teens. The library has benefited from donations and help from many quarters. The major contributors who brought the library into existence were:

Patricia Price Peterson Foundation – $1 Million.

The Alberto Motta Foundation – $50,000 and The Dora and Bobby Motta foundation;- $25,000.

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panamajames
3/21/2019 06:52 EST

As part of a radio and TV station international and public affairs news team, I covered the Panama invasion in 1989 and 1990, which was actually my first introduction to Panama. Here are some interesting clips that have been recorded over the years. The most interesting and informative story was narrated by an American movie actress who we all knew and loved as Samantha on Bewitched, Elizabeth Montgomery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Montgomery


Professionally, she lent her voice as narrator to two political documentaries critical of US foreign policy, Cover Up: Behind the Iran Contra Affair (1988) and the Academy Award-winning 'The Panama Deception' (1992) which is the first URL below.........It's an hour and a half, but it tells the story as I remember it, and with a more Panama people related storyline.........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGIio2qMnto


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxMVLDg8Gng


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqXtXzJaEdg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8JUAnqdrPc


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

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jr555
3/21/2019 17:37 EST

Marta231655, my wife is Panamanian and the family situation which includes a lawyer didn’t work out well for us. If you have a tight knit family don’t open the door to anything that might cause a rift. Take note of what ssaunders88 has to say, personal involvement is a must, stay on top of things yourself.
Yes, the Boquete library is a treasure.

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marta231655
3/22/2019 08:57 EST

actually the whole family gets along very well

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ssaunders88
3/22/2019 11:02 EST

PanamaJames - thanks for the links on the Panama Invasion - no doubt having covered the event, you have a lot of insights...

There's a new special in production, (local) that will be coming soon. With interviews of locals and American military involved.. I am not sure how much detail they will cover related to the narco cartels and what part they played in this. (the cartels weren't very happy with Noriega....)

Where you working with local news outlets or foreign?

It will be interesting to see..

cheers

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cinparadise
3/27/2019 11:11 EST

Missinglink,

You wrote (in reference to Boquete):

"its way to cold, damp"

Too cold? Boquete's days are in the 70s, and evenings in the 60s. We do get low 80s at times during our summer. You call that cold?

The only people that I know here that say it's cold are people on heart medication such as blood thinners and such.

As for dampness, Boquete is no where near as damp (or humid) as Florida!

I take it you must be from the south western US?

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missinglink
3/27/2019 12:33 EST

cinparadise I'm telling you that the climate in Boquete is to cold and damp for my liking . What part of that don't you grasp? Where im from has no Bering and doesn't matter. For you it maybe perfect, where your from doesn't matter and I don't care.

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ptyexpat
3/27/2019 14:02 EST

You see Missinglink if you don’t think like the Boquete propaganda machine then you are considered an outcast and not worthy or entitled to your informed opinions based on your first hand experience.

The arrogance of those who live in and defend Boquete is one of the main turns offs for people who think or thought that Boquete was nice.

Does anyone really believe the nasty social virus among the gringos in Boquete is just a rumor?

You need not go any further then ask anyone who has left Boquete about the destructive attitudes and low quality of life in Boquete and they will all tell you that those who live and defend Boquete are full of sh*t, doesn’t sound like paradise to me.

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