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dolfna
1/28/2019 07:22 EST

So last night I was home in bed. A neighbor comes gets me saying husband was in an accident.

People who witnessed the accident took his keys. The police show up in my bad spanish I say please get my keys from other people. You can have keys to my truck please give me my house keys.

My husband says turn off the lights of the truck. So I turn off the truck lights Next thing I know a cop is pissed off at me for turning off the truck light. I'm grabbed by 2 women cops and forced into a police truck.

I am told to shut up. I keep saying in bad spanish i do understand I did nothing wrong.

They claim I am not under arrest yet won't let me out of the police car. Thru google translate they say because I am married to the driver they must take me. (Baring in mind I was not even witness to the accident)

I was taken 30 minutes to what may or may not have been a police station. I didn't see a station sign then I was released after about 10 minutes. The cop who promised to take me back home said get a taxi. I had no shoes or purse. Thankfully my husband had some money so I was able to get a taxi

Can I do anything about this, is this even legal Is Mexico a country where you can be detained because cops want to???

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longtimelurker
1/28/2019 07:55 EST

Nothing you can do. At an accident scene you are not allowed to do anything to the truck until the police or insurance adjuster tell you to.

Is you husband still in jail?

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grapenut
1/28/2019 11:07 EST

in mexico, u r the intruder. if u r in an accident, U R GOING TO JAIL, NO MATTER WHO'S FAULT IT WAS. MORAL; DONT DRIVE UR CAR. TAKE THE BUS. IF U DRIVE U MUST HAVE MEX INS. HAVE A MEXICAN CITIZEN DRIVE U. TO DRIVE, OUTSIDE OF ANY CITY, U B BETTER OFF TO TAKE A TOUR BUS OR TRAIN. IF U HAVE A MEX DRIVERS LICENSE, U R CONSIDERED AS A MX CITIZEN.THEY WONT HARASS U THEN.

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lindarose
1/28/2019 11:17 EST

There you go again, Grapenut! Insane posts! You are considered a MEXICAN CITIZEN ONLY if you are!! i.e. you have a Mexican passport & voter's card!! Anyone can obtain a Mexican driver's license....I wonder where you get your silly 'facts' from...BTW, I am a Mexican citizen...

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dolfna
1/28/2019 13:24 EST

Yes he is still in Jail, he will be getting out this afternoon. They will have the truck until tomorrow. I've already called the insurance company. I was the one who turned on the lights. not sure how turning off lights on a vehicle is grounds to be taken

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dolfna
1/28/2019 13:27 EST

grapenut i was not in the vehicle the accident happened on our street. The neighbors came and got me. I only asked the police to get my house keys from the witnesses. Trust me when I say. I was calm and should of never been taken. I have 10 witness who do not understand why i was taken either

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osros
1/28/2019 14:37 EST

I know nothing of how it works there yet, My concern is does a witness have the right to take someones keys? I would gladly wait and hand over the keys to the police. Its just letting a stranger get my keys I have issue with, just curious.

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dolfna
1/28/2019 15:41 EST

osros that is exactly my point the cops should of immediately got the keys. from what I heard Fabian got out of the truck to check on the other person and witnesses went into the truck and grabbed his keys.

I am at the police station filing a complaint against the fact I was taken. even the police are saying they had no legal right to take me

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barquentine
1/28/2019 17:11 EST

While I am not condoning the way you were treated, what were you doing leaving the house with no shoes or purse? Your husband should have called the insurance company, they would have sorted things out. It sounds as if they suspected your husband of drink-driving or another type of driving offence.
"My husband says turn off the lights of the truck." - Why didn't HE do that? It sounds as if there is more to this than you're telling us.

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topmexico
1/28/2019 17:56 EST

Hi, depending on where you are you should call your consular agent, consulate or Embassy. Report what happened. Normally they have a direct connection to the heads of Police and can request an investigation. Glad you are ok.

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dolfna
1/28/2019 23:47 EST

Baring in mind that things are unfolding as friends who are mostly bilingual are talking to withness. And the head of police for chiapas frontier

What I just heard is the motorcycle had no lights, the driver had no license. The motorcycle has no plates or serial numbers

My husband had gotten out of the truck was helping the other driver. When a person went into his truck and took the keys

The cop who came has been dealing drugs. And my husband was taken illegally too. However he is being kept during the investigation.

The official said it was illegal for the municipal cop to put the motorcycle in the back of our truck and the police to drive our truck. That transit police should of came and investigated. Our vehicle should not of been driven off if it was to be taken a tow truck should of done it.

I was told no one gave my hubby a test to determine if drinking. If alcohol was suspect it was not in the report.

Remember I am hearing this thru translators. Who are not as versed in English as my husband who I still haven't talked to.

The head of police wants me back at the police station tomorrow. I have been advised that the cops will say sorry and then be fired and arrested

I have recording of the officers that have been turned over to the police . In my recordings the police state I'm only a witness and they are aware my elderly mom is sick and can't be left alone and they do not care. It is because of my recordings of what they say to each other that they are getting fired and arrested, if true

I will let you know how tomorrow turns out. Please keep in mind I am being told this information as my Spanish is very low.

And yeah i was in bed when i heard my husband was in an accident. I ran barefoot to see if he was ok. My mind wasn't on grabbing shoes or purse it was on was my husband ok only.

I did call the embassy today they said they would call back but didn't I will call them again tomorrow

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longtimelurker
1/29/2019 08:05 EST

This is not Kansas, leave your American ideals NOB.

Hit and run is very common in Mexico. That is why the witnesses took the keys, so your husband wouldn't RUN. You should have never listened to your husband, never have touched your car. That was an active accident scene. You are lucky you are not in jail with your husband (who hit a moto)

You live on the lawless frontier in Chiapas. You are going to PRESS CHARGES against some local cops? You want them fired? Take away their livelihood? Wow, you are one BRAVE gringa.

Did you find anywhere in Belize you would like to live on your recent scouting trip?

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DeniseLR
1/29/2019 10:31 EST

Wow! This is starting to sound like an episode of "Queen of the South" on tv here, USA network starring Alice Braga..
Seriously, though, I hope this all works out. Keep us informed, please.

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dolfna
1/29/2019 10:43 EST

Yes I want them fired, if they were in the right the head of Police would not be saying was illegal and they will be fired and arrested.

If I had tried to move the vehicle I would agree I should of been arrested. If I was told to turn back on the lights I would of..

You are correct I am not in Kansas anymore. And if no one does anything those dirty cops will continue to ask people for money and do illegal actions.

Someone has to stand up. If not me who? If not now when? I can say with all my heart if I get killed it is worth it

The scouting trip was so much fun, I plan to go again. From what I saw no plans to move there. But who knows where life will lead us

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richmcintyre53
1/30/2019 18:26 EST

And I can say with all my heart that you are a complete idiot. Kansas, indeed.
What the hell are you doing in Chiapas?

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novato1953
1/30/2019 20:09 EST

Chiapas is a fine place for Lodge meetings, and an intricately embroidered fez can be inexpensive for those with the right handshake. But usually I'm there for the waters, and immersive Zapoteca lessons.

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DeniseLR
1/30/2019 20:32 EST

Well, maybe. But I'd take your idiocy over some of the arrogant idiots that love running down others on this site and others. Assuming all of this is really happening. I've seen some crazy sh... by gringos in Mexico and C.A. so who knows?

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dolfna
1/31/2019 05:46 EST

richmcintyre53 I am not sure why the personal attack. You are entitled to your opinion of me. I do get I put myself out on the board to give you information to believe I am idiot. I don't know if other members agree or just think I am ignorant. I do have so much to learn.

I personally don't find the need to attack you or any of the other members of the group who share their lives and experiences with the group

Yes all of this really happened. The police still have my truck. I have 9 papers proving ownership of the truck however I am missing one piece they need and I am working to get that.

The insurance company wants the transit police report however the municipal police did not call transit.

It is not my fault that the municipal police did not do their job correctly. Police who abuse power, ask people for money need to be reported. As long as people are quite things will not change.

Things in Chiapas where I am a totally different than what I have experienced in Mexico. Yesterday I could not leave Puerto Madero to go to Tapachula as the locals are blocking the road to Pemex and the Marina as they do not want a politician in the office.

I have 30 minutes of video and learn more everyday. What now has me frustrated, is I found out that my soon to be ex-husband had asked the police officer if he could turn off the light and was told no.

I just learned this. After he was told he called my attention and asked me to turn off the lights. If I had known this would of never touched them.

I told the now soon to be ex why on earth would you set me up like that. He said it is not illegal to turn off the lights. I told him what you did by asking me to go against what the officer said is grounds for them to detain me. With that said my take has partially changed on the situation.

If I had the language skills I have zero doubt I would not of been detained.

According to my insurance and the head of the police, the municipal police had an obligation to get the transit police and have the scene investigated and illegally moved the truck, me and my soon to be ex.

On the video the police laugh at me say they know I did nothing wrong and need to be taught a lesson. My new take on the situation. Is I want the head police to watch all the video and determine if any disciplinary actions needed.

I feel the police abused their power however I now understand how I was a pawn. I thought I had lost the video as when I tried to play it on my phone I could not hear anything.

Turns out my got the video and sound it just can't be played from my mexican iphone the video I took on my american Samsung in the car has always been fine it is just under 3 minutes.

The video I always knew was good upset the head of police. Bear in mind if they did nothing wrong the internal investigation will show that and nothing will happen. If the internal investigation determines they did abuse their power and break laws they determine what the outcome for their staff is.

My mind has not changed on the fact I believe cops who ask for many and break the laws need to lose their jobs.

My husband is going to lose me over his actions. It is not just this one event that is ending my marriage.

Thanks for reading and listening. I really appreciate the group!

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dolfna
1/31/2019 05:52 EST

sorry for typo many = money so the statement should of been cops who take Money and break the laws need to lose their job.

Additionally I don't care what country we are in police need to be moral and not abuse their appointments

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osros
1/31/2019 10:14 EST

Well IMO and not ever being abroad for more than 2 weeks at a time. I would suggest getting passed this asap dont try and fight two or more battles at the same time. With smiles and good attitude get your car back, and any other issues that need to be taken care of that may holding up your life there, again be pleasant and
get things done, trying to pull down the police or other agency and they still have your stuff can result in more delays and such. After your stuff is sorted and if you still want to start a new battle over Police actions and what not then go ahead, I think its a losing battle but you know your situation.

I can go into the police, and being in a different country, non citizen, your rights or lack of but it will go round and round being debated.

Anyway get your life back to normal again, settled then see what you want to do next.

Cheers

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DeniseLR
1/31/2019 11:24 EST

Didn't you say your husband is the title holder for your house? I think what you really don't get is that if you stir things up too much the police, or someone associated with the police, may have you arrested on some sort of trumped (pun intende) up charges or possibly cause you to be "desparecido". Not a joke.

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RVGRINGO
1/31/2019 11:53 EST

Dolfina,
The police could have held you for three days, until responsibility and insurance matters were straightened out and guilt, if any, was established. You are a foreigner in a foreign land, where you did not understand or abide by the customary rules and procedures. You were lucky to be released so quickly.

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hrlee7804
1/31/2019 13:24 EST

Your time in Mexico is going to get more troubling if you think you can put your morals and beliefs on this culture. Suck it up and be happy it was not worse and you learned how to handle the next crisis. You will not get anyone fired for acting as they do. In the States....maybe but not here. You are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy. Lick your wounds and go on!

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Cozumeldeb
1/31/2019 15:53 EST

Osros,gave the best advice. Bad situation, bad timing and a "soon to ex-husband."
No Spanish even if u hired a translator can't fix this.
Get your belongings together as quickly as u can and get the hell outta there. Don't give bust out loser husband any advance notice.
Find a airbnb to rent (not there) for a few wks, groceries, couple bottles of wine and script a new plan. Get to ADO bus station get a tix to ride anywhere but there. Important to shut any accts or transfer $$ so he can't rip you off more. Good Luck.

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dolfna
1/31/2019 17:08 EST

Thankfully the title of my home is and will be in the peoples name I am buying it from til Nov 2020. When paid they have agreed to transfer only as I instruct. I will be putting it in one of those trust banks under my daughters name so he can not touch even in a divorce.

Not sure why I am fighting so hard to get the truck I paid for back when the husband said if I leave him he is taking it since I put it in his name. It really blows you can't trust people at their word. I still want to believe in the good in people and hope that is just pain/beer talking

I ran after my last divorce. I was married for 22 yrs and he said beer made his life better than I did and he was no longer in love with me. Nothing you can do with that except walk and cry.

It is all great advice. I apparently have issues falling in love with alcoholics. I have been asking my husband of 4 months who I have known 5 years to please go for the last month. Long before this stupid drama.

I am still trying to get the truck back from the police. Apparently the pedamento, the registration, the receipt and the transit card are not enough I have to show a factura too.

Thankfully I have a friend in Baja who works with the registration people where the truck is registered who emailed me a copy, hopefully that will be enough to get it back.

The difficulty in getting the truck out is why so many mexicans pay off cops willingly. Their rules are part of the problems that cause corruption.

At this point all I can do is take things one day at a time and fight the good fight :)

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Brendahalol
1/31/2019 18:27 EST

My only advice is to remember that since you dont speak the language, you’re easily identifiable as a forigner. In-group/out-group politics aren't in your favor.

Also remember, Mexico uses the Napoleonic Code, not English common law.

I read a few articles about last years election. There were a lot of local offices up for grabs. A lot of people were murdered. The most memorable part of the articles was a quote saying only the crooked can survive an election. The rest of the candidates are killed or drop out out of fear.

In that climate, attempting to hold a municipal officer to task seems..... ill-advised.

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dolfna
2/1/2019 08:34 EST

i have a friend in Baja, who told me something very similar about the politics here. I believe it is true what you are saying.

I had never understood how the whole pay the cops on the streets thing came to be and stayed. This experience explains so much.

Yesterday I was able to get the factura however the police still have my truck. They are talking they will have it another week.

Knowing how difficult it is to get the vehicle back and a deeper understanding why it is easier to pay then deal with the games. Their system encourages corruption

At this point all I can do is hope that the complaints I made do change something, I doubt they will :(

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longtimelurker
2/1/2019 09:30 EST

Dolfna, at this point you don't need to understand the system and the way the game is played. You just have to play the game if you want your truck back quickly. Don't forget you are going to have increasingly costly impound fee's to pay.

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dolfna
2/1/2019 11:15 EST

I have been trying for 3 days or more to figure out who the heck can I hand money to just to get it back. Yesterday I paid 200 pesos just so I could go into the yard to get stuff from the truck.

When i got to the yard, the lawyer and the hubby was told no we could not come in. I reached into my purse put 200 pesos in my hand. held my hand up to the fence and said por favor eldentro? He saw the money and opened the gate and let us get into the truck.

I know not spelling right. I attempted to bribe the storage place. saying quanto questa por regresso oy. I also said quanto dinero. He responded in words I do not know. I was advised have to have the release papers. So basically i can't pay directly at the yard to get back the truck

There is a meeting at 2pm today with some office and the lawyer. who knows what the heck will happen. I am stuck. I do not understand why the insurance is not helping more. I was told the hospital determined nothing was wrong with the other driver. I have been told there is no report that even determined who is at fault for the accident. I am trying to find out how to play their game.

I have to start driving out of Mexico to take my daughter my car and must be out before my permit expires on the 5th. However the town has closed down the roads over a political thing for the last 4 days which will take 24 or more hours for me to get to the border. I will be making that drive alone

and there was just an earth quake

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dolfna
2/4/2019 06:11 EST

Still I have not gotten my truck back, I messaged the head of police yesterday. He said he will go talk to the prosecutor and ask them to return the truck today. I should have gone to him earlier.

I have been told by the hubby today is a holiday and we should have it back by Thursday. He says they are waiting on a report stating it is not stolen. Which is makes me mad they stole it. The broke so many of their own laws per them. I am hoping the head of police can get it back for me today vs hubby being right of Thursday.

I did get my new vehicle permit, because I have temp res the permit is for the same time as that 1yr. Still need to go to the USA I haven't seen my kid (26) in almost a year.

I really do get I am in their country and need to follow their laws. With that said so should they!

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longtimelurker
2/4/2019 08:32 EST

FYI

Anybody, including the cops, can get a stolen vehicle report instantly online at

https://www.repuve-consulta.com.mx/consulta-ciudadana

The Federales use this site at traffic stops to check for stolen cars.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 10:20 EST

Check out the Washington Post article today about the "crypto-anarchist" killed in Mexico's "murder capital".

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 11:08 EST

Don't know if my last post was ignored because of wording. I'll try again. Check out Washington Post article today about young, idealistic man who lost his life recently in Acapulco due to conflicts between his world view and those of others in town.

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YellowTail
2/4/2019 11:49 EST

Sounds more like business competition to me...

"Guerrero State police said in a statement Saturday that the survivors reported armed men showing up at a “cannabis greenhouse" and targeting Galton. The attorney’s office, which confirmed that Galton had been killed, said in a statement Sunday that it had found a marijuana laboratory on the premises, including white lights and gas tanks. No suspects had been named, and a motive for the killing remained unknown."

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longtimelurker
2/4/2019 11:55 EST

"Young idealistic man and women???? They were fugitives, running away from felony charges. Then they continued to "cultivate" in Acapulco. Cartels hits don't leave anyone alive at the scene. They kill everyone.

Somebody close to them really just wanted Galton dead. I am surprised the murderer left anyone alive.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 11:57 EST

I would say the 2 viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 13:29 EST

Pick a fight with someone else. Hopefully in Mexico. self-absorbed i....

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YellowTail
2/4/2019 14:44 EST

@DeniseLR - you need to take yourself a little less seriously.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 14:54 EST

Thanks for your well meaning and thoughtful (I'm sure) advice. Anything from someone called Yellow Tail. ....well, I drop everything right away to follow it. Count on it.

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dolfna
2/4/2019 14:58 EST

Thank you for the sin robo I just sent it to the head police and my lawyer they are saying no work today it's a holiday. I really appreciate everyone! And enjoy reading all the post

Hopefully tomorrow

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dolfna
2/4/2019 14:58 EST

Thank you for the sin robo I just sent it to the head police and my lawyer they are saying no work today it's a holiday. I really appreciate everyone! And enjoy reading all the post

Hopefully tomorrow

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YellowTail
2/4/2019 15:27 EST

@DeniseLR - it is a shame this is an un-moderated site.

I've seen a lot of useful expat forums over time and many seem to fade away at some point, often caused by people not willing to interface with people such as yourself.

Over and out.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 15:54 EST

Well, someone is certainly taking themselves seriously. In my world, marijuana is becoming legal in many areas of the US. Whether you like it or not. I don't smoke it but it is common, and in New Mexico and many other states. It is also not difficult to get a medical marijuana license and a permit to grow your own plants. People smoke it for recreation, for medicinal purposes, tp relieve stress and to help stay away from more hardcore substances. Now, a growing operation in Acapulco by gringos is stupid, naive, arrogant perhaps but it is unlikely even they had intended to compete with the cartels. It was probably for their own use primarily. Read the d... Post piece. Or don't. And so far the assertion that it was a cartel (likely) and they were hardened criminals (unlikely) are just opinions.

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Cozumeldeb
2/4/2019 16:55 EST

Are u talking about the 20 something guy selling weed there? I read an article, appeared to be moving in on some ones territory..

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Cozumeldeb
2/4/2019 16:59 EST

MX has allowed personal use for awhile. AMLO has made statements to moving forward for legalizing it.

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DeniseLR
2/4/2019 20:41 EST

A small time grower for personal use and possibly a little to sell can't compete with a cartel any more than an old man with a food cart can compete with Macdonalds. In the US the cartel - yes, they are here as well - wouldn't kill the tiny independent. Mexico is different. I suggest you read the d... Post article. I would like to hear your thoughts. My only real point was that this kid was a naive idiot who like many that age thought he knew it all. And shouldn't have tried to take his act on the road (to Mexico).

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3rdDisciple
2/25/2019 20:05 EST

Disagree, moderated sights give censorship.

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3rdDisciple
2/25/2019 20:05 EST

Disagree, moderated sights give censorship.

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RVGRINGO
2/26/2019 11:50 EST

Third Disciple had three choices:
Sight
Site
Cite
Let's see which one he tries next. :)

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3rdDisciple
2/26/2019 14:56 EST

Oh ! A moderator to correct / censor spelling and grammar ?

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RVGRINGO
2/26/2019 16:58 EST

Just an old teacher. You needed one. Sorry if you cannot handle it, but I thought it might be helpful for you to be aware of the differences, and their meanings. There are other, similar errors that are common among youngsters these days. For example:
Your
You're
Yore

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Cozumeldeb
2/26/2019 18:57 EST

RV Gringo, is one of the most knowledgeable person on MX laws, facts and areas of interest.
You would be wise to check his past posts.

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Iturbide
2/26/2019 19:34 EST

Agrred ; RVG is a valued and wise resource to forum

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Iturbide
2/26/2019 19:36 EST

oops ; typo ; s/b agreed

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novato1953
2/26/2019 19:57 EST

A typo while endorsing a post correcting vocabulary from an earlier post. When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less. Alex, I'll take things Humpty Dumpty said for $1,000.

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Iturbide
2/26/2019 20:42 EST

Wow !! How impressed with a ardent lexophile !!!! Bravo ! Sometimes simplicity and humility are the best words. Endorsing some one, followed by not-so -subtle cheap "lexopilists".not so good. And not worth getting into a cyber-word-contest. Which is what RVG refrains from, and why I endorse and will choose to follow.

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DeniseLR
2/26/2019 21:08 EST

Que paso, amigos? Es todo el mundo loco? Creo que si!

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novato1953
2/26/2019 21:34 EST

Go ask Alice. I think she'll know.

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RVGRINGO
2/27/2019 09:10 EST

Thanks for the kind comments. I enjoy being helpful, even when I indulge in a bit of good-humored jabbing at those who sometimes write too fast, or let the spellchecker get the best of them.
I do have some years of experience in many parts of the world, but my heart is still in Mexico, even though it now requires a pacemaker and constant attention in the USA. That said, we do live on the border, and can be back in Mexico in a matter of minutes.
Pues....de acuerdo. Yo creo, tambien, que la majoridad de nosotros son 'un poco loco' de ves en cuando. Entoncers, continuemos a disfrutar la vida.

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Shellyclark2002
2/27/2019 09:17 EST

Hola Amigos, Did she every get her truck and her husband back? :-)

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3rdDisciple
2/27/2019 17:49 EST

Wow. Defensive and sensitive folks. All I said was that from my perspective a non moderated sight was preferable to a moderated one. Did not pass any judgements on the expertise of any poster.
And don't pay a lot of attention to grammar and / or spelling yet it seems what I'm expressing is usually understood.
And my sense of humor let's the same error of the original post stand. Site that ?

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RVGRINGO
2/27/2019 20:55 EST

No problem understanding that "unmoderated sight" is just seeing without wearing glasses.
Perfectly clear, and easy to comprhend

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longtimelurker
2/28/2019 10:44 EST

"Hola Amigos, Did she every get her truck and her husband back? :-) "

And did you press charges and get the Police officers fired?

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longtimelurker
4/15/2019 18:15 EST

"Hola Amigos, Did she every get her truck and her husband back? :-) "

And did you press charges and get the Police officers fired?

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dolfna
4/16/2019 08:35 EST

Oh yeah after almost 2 weeks and over 3,000 pesos I got the truck back. From what I understand the officers involved received a 30 day suspension and the main officer who started it I have not seen working in my town. I think he was reassigned to a different beat. I'm not 100% I'm just glad I no longer have to see him and that drama is behind me :)

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longtimelurker
4/16/2019 18:13 EST

Gracias
THE END

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