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ddyern
6/12/2019 10:11 EST

question does anyone know if my US 220 volt appliance such as a dryer or stove work with the 220 volts in Portugal

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realspear
6/12/2019 10:39 EST

No. You need 220V/50hz appliances or a transformer, which you don't want. Stoves are relatively inexpensive here, washers seem to be on par or more than the US.

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GeoffK
6/13/2019 00:21 EST

Realspear why do you say "you don't want" a transformer? And did you mean for anything, or just the appliances mentioned? I have a stereo system and was planning to get a transformer.

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realspear
6/13/2019 02:20 EST

Your stereo system will not require a transformer unless it's unusual. There should be a tag near where the power cord enters the electronics that tells you what voltage it works with. Most are 120/220 (or 240). If it says that, you just need an adapter.

Transformers are expensive and heavy for good ones. The bigger cost issue is shipping the stove and dryer. And you have to be certain they will work in your home. I've lived in three apartments and none are set up for a stove, all use a hob and oven. And the washing machine is always small and in the kitchen. One other issue will be service - most US appliances aren't sold in Europe and parts can be hard to obtain.

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tomonoak
6/13/2019 03:04 EST

On the 240 volts: Probably a bad idea to bring a 240 V US appliance to Europe as it's most likely to be unusable.

There's a fundamental difference between the 240 V AC in the US and the 240 V in Europe. In the US, a 240 V connection consists of two 120 V lines plus neutral (which is 0 V), plus (usually) a safety ground line. The 120 V lines are out of phase with each other, and add up to 240 V. This means that when connected to an appliance, both 120 V and 240 V are available to power it, and both are often needed. In Europe, the 24o V connection is one 240 V line, one neutral line (i.e. 0 V), and maybe a ground line. No 120 V is available.

On the transformer for a stereo: That's what I did. But it's mildly iffy. Medium-to-high-end stereo equipment made for the US market generally contains an internal power transformer that is designed specifically for 60 Hz. Now a 50 Hz transformer is fine for 60 Hz, but the other way around may be pushing it near the edge. (I'm talking about the internal transformer, not the converter transformer you'll be using in addition to it.) Obnoxious as it is to say, I can get away with it because I'm an EE and I know what problems to look out for. If you do it, you will want to check first if the house circuit breaker (or the receiver fuse) starts tripping, and second, if the internal transformer in the amplifier/receiver/whatever starts to get dangerously warm. I know that 'dangerously warm' isn't very precise, but there you have it.

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realspear
6/13/2019 03:09 EST

Not all stereo equipment is US-only. I had one of these - https://www.harmankardon.com/audio-video-receivers/HK+3770.html?cgid=audio-video-receivers&dwvar_HK%203770_color=Black-USA-Current#start=1 - and it supports 220. In the end, I gave it to my son instead of bringing but it would have worked fine.

As I said above, it's best to check the power requirements on the equipment before making a decision on what to bring.

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GeoffK
6/13/2019 03:12 EST

Thanks for that reply. I knew I didn't know much but I had no idea how much I didn't know. If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have bothered to bring it. I used to have it in a 15 x 22.5ft room but here the rooms are way smaller.

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GeoffK
6/13/2019 03:12 EST

Thanks for that reply. I knew I didn't know much but I had no idea how much I didn't know. If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have bothered to bring it. I used to have it in a 15 x 22.5ft room but here the rooms are way smaller.

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tomonoak
6/13/2019 03:57 EST

GeoffK - If you're a little adventurous, I don't want to discourage you from trying the transformer for your stereo. Just keep an eye out for the trouble signs I mentioned. If you take the cover off your receiver, put your finger on the heavy metal part of the transformer and it isn't uncomfortably hot to do so, it's likely to be just fine. Obviously, stay away from anything that looks like an electrical connection on the transformer, though.

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GeoffK
6/13/2019 04:51 EST

Thanks. I will give it a try. Am very wary of going near anything that looks electrical.

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ddyern
6/13/2019 22:34 EST

Thanks alot

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