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Wiggy0809
4/21/2019 13:52 EST

Hi all

I am a qualified professional and currently work entirely from home for a UK based company. I am never required to attend meetings etc. Whilst the office is in UK, the corporate owner is based in USA.

I can technically go wherever I want. I am thinking of moving to Ireland (I know this is fairly easy from UK) as this situation might permit this, but I have two questions:

1) Can I keep my UK based bank account if I register it at a family address?

2) Should I inform my employer, or just keep working and getting paid into the UK based account? So just move, rent, keep working and getting paid as I do, or does this constitute some sort of fraud?

Thanks in advance! New to the game so apologies if these Qs seem daft.

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Joshuak
4/21/2019 22:19 EST

Sounds like some sort of fraud to me. You don't inform your company where you are working from and you don't inform Ireland you are sitting on their soil working and not paying any tax to their system. Not sure that would be ethical at the least, or legal at worse. What will be your excuse when you get caught ?
Why not ask your employer if this is possible ? And why not register as a semi self employed worker with Ireland, or at least tell them you are working there ? The tax situation would probably be some sort of agreement already in force between both countries so you would only pay in one or the other, but not both. Of course, Ireland will probably want some tax with holdings from your employer so it might get complicated. But if you do it without telling anyone, sooner or later I would bet you will get caught. Better you do more official research as answers about this type subject on a citizens forum may not get you answers that are correct.

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dbarnwell
4/22/2019 04:41 EST

Good answer, Johuak. The guy's plan certainly seems shady.

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Wiggy0809
4/22/2019 10:27 EST

Thanks all for the replies! No I thought it wasn't the right way to go about it.

I saw some people were keeping bank accounts open and still receiving UK salary on other forums. I guess as long as you're paying the right tax all is well.

I don;t have plans to go anywhere anyway, I just thought the other day that it was a possibility given I'm not tied to anything.

Also getting pretty sick of the UK!

Cheers

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frankg1970
5/28/2019 14:29 EST

Hi, I love how when people dont understand something they think automatically that its shady, my first question would be are a salaried employee with the UK or just contracting, hence being able to work remotely?

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dbarnwell
5/28/2019 16:56 EST

Frank

You didn't understand? I thought his question was quite clear.

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Wiggy0809
5/28/2019 19:45 EST

Frank thanks for the reply mate. I think you've understood quite well enough! I'm salaried by the company. Just a bit of background: the company has head office in Canada, but branches in Ireland, USA, UK and Australia. I'm with our UK branch but my management structure is largely Canada and USA based. It's all over video conferencing etc. Really global reach.

I had a conference call with USA a while ago and posed this question. What they said was that they would just put me under whichever country's office I wanted to go to and be salaried there. So basically already have a job for whichever country I chose out of the ones above. But moving is a possibility with the company's support. Great news.

Dbarnwell, you've posted nothing constructive, but just came to say my plan seemed shady and tell Frank he hasn't understood. So..thanks for coming anyway. Not really a necessary contribution.

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Wiggy0809
5/28/2019 19:49 EST

And P.S. Frank, I work at home for the UK branch. So totally remote. It really is a great job.

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Mellis5910
5/29/2019 07:49 EST

Wiggy, wishing you luck and a successful transition, whatever you decide is best for you. As you have noted, there are some people who are not on the board to help, but merely here to snipe and sneer. There used to be a more civil exchange of information but that appears to be a thing of the past. It has cast a pall of uneasiness across the board which has made it an uncomfortable read these days. Sorry.

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Joshuak
5/30/2019 17:50 EST

Mellis5910: Sorry you don't like what others write on here. But you often seem to ignore facts when they are presented to you. When someone asks if he should not register with the country he looks to live in, which could avoid the tax system in that country, he deserved an answer which advised him to do more research. He himself asked if it could be considered "fraud". In the past I have seen the word "shady' used to define fraudulent activity. The fact is that if someone is earning a living and living in a specific country which provides all the necessary services for life, why would he be allowed to not pay his fair share of taxes to that country ? As I told him, he needs to research with his company and with the government of Ireland. Ireland does not need any more "Freeloaders".

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Wiggy0809
5/30/2019 20:56 EST

Joshuak, I really don't think it was aimed at you. Refer to comments above by dbarnwell, the first simply goal-hanging off yours, the second to ridicule Frank. Completely unnecessary, and adding no value whatsoever to the conversation.

You gave a decent enough answer first time round. Don't spoil it now by coming in aggressive and emotional, and inserting yourself into something that clearly wasn't about you.

I asked a question, I had my answers. Let's draw a line there, before things are said out of turn and way over the line.

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Joshuak
5/30/2019 23:12 EST

Wiggly0809: Nothing I said is over the line as far as you are concerned.
However, look again at who I was directing my concern to. There are a few people here that fail to accept facts and give out information that is not correct and do not like it when someone proves them wrong. Some of these people do not have the time or forethought to look at "Citizens information.ie" before giving people advice that is completely wrong. Your situation really cannot be answered here on this forum as you need to address your situation with your company and or Irish Government. Good luck.

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Wiggy0809
5/30/2019 23:25 EST

Joshuak yes and thanks again. However if you look in the middle of the thread it has already been answered by my company since I opened the dialogue. I will just be salaried in Ireland instead. Or Canada, USA, Aus. If I went to this places. I didn't clarify the company situation in my original post. Thanks again.

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Mellis5910
5/31/2019 07:19 EST

Wiggy, you are very gracious and patient. I do have a few remarks for Joshua, however--although I was remarking about how the tone has changed from helpful to snipey and these remarks were not specifically addressed to him, I will say this. Joshua, I believe you are totally oblivious to how rude and judgemental you are towards others. I've had many people contact me to say how appalling rude they find you, calling you a troll and worse and refusing to participate in the forum because of you. You offend people with your manner, apparently relishing every opportunity to correct or deride, sitting poised over your keyboard like a vulture waiting to pounce on everyone who doesn't meet your criteria. Perhaps you are trying to be helpful (as you sometimes are) but far too often your remarks seem ego-driven, as your discourse is laced with bombastic, overbearing and thoughtless observations. You've gotten PLENTY of stuff wrong and yet have never had the grace nor wit to acknowledge or correct your own errors, busy as you are correcting and chastising others. I'm tired of tolerating bullies and know-it-alls who are eager to sacrifice manners and civility to score points on the Internet because they have lots of spare time on their hands.
The main thrust of your participation seems to be a dogged determination to discourage anyone from moving here due to your own experiences. I am living in Ireland and loving it for years now! Whatever your experience was (never one of them, blah, blah, blah,) which made you so bitter, that doesn't give you the right try to poison the well for everyone else.

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pobauto
5/31/2019 09:15 EST

Thank you Mellis 5910. I posted once about the "vitriol" that was starting to creep into this forum, and complained about the person who was doing it. I was booted off the forum for a time. I hope the same fate does not happen with you.
Joshua, you often have good information, but you are a bit overbearing. It would be a lot more pleasant if you could ratchet it down a bit.
Wiggy, I apologize for having all this come out over your question. In general this forum has been very helpful and respectful.
Thanks to all of you who have posted such helpful information over the years. It has been, and continues to be, very much appreciated.

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beckysusan
5/31/2019 10:44 EST

It seems to me that you think anyone who is interested in coming to Ireland is a crook. I found when I visited there, that evidently all you and him are concerned about is the money. I had no intention of using anything there that I wouldn’t pay for. I took plenty of money and had access to plenty of money back home. However I was treated like a freeloader. I even had my own insurance. I did finally meet some very nice people while there. Thank God. That made up for a little of it. Even on my way up the sidewalk to catch my hotel shuttle, my I Pad fell out of my tote and broke. Then at my hotel, where I had accommodation reserved, for a queen bed. Even they tried to give me a smaller bed. I refused to take less, after all I’d been through. But my friends there, and the wonderful friends I made there, pretty much made up for all that bad stuff. Since my visit, I’ve observed that anyone in the EU can come and go freely. I wonder if they are treated like I was when they came. I’m an American, I would hope anyone that travels to my country, wouldn’t have the same experience I had. But knowing our leader, I bet it’s the same! Sadly!

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beckysusan
5/31/2019 10:48 EST

My plan was not shady. I did everything right! Yet I felt {Shady} for even coming there. I hope that’s not my next experience.

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beckysusan
5/31/2019 10:54 EST

Oh shut up. That’s like saying anyone that travels there, is no better than a thief. If it weren’t for your nice and sweet people, I would never return. However I have many beautiful friends there. Thank goodness, they know I’m not a thief.

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Wiggy0809
5/31/2019 11:19 EST

Thank to everyone for the contributions, been a lot of comments over the last 12 hours! It will be a time until I'm ready anyway as I'd like to get my finances in order and make sure I'm confortable.

Ireland is a very beautiful country, and it would please me no end to be a guest there for however long. I bring to the table military experience, a Bachelor's, Masters and a PhD, and a ready to muck in attitude. So haters will be haters but the freeloader concerns are way, way off the mark I'm afraid! If I do come to Ireland I will look forward to being able to contribute to your way of life.

This will probably be my last comment as this is now resolved for now. Take care everyone, thanks for the comments and those that saw beyond the initial narrative to help out. Best wishes.

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Wiggy0809
5/31/2019 11:21 EST

*Thanks *comfortable. Predictive text, sigh!

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Joshuak
5/31/2019 16:38 EST

Even though the following does not apply to the original question, the problem seems to be as follows: Some people here do not wish to be corrected when they dispense incorrect information. I take the time, and a few others also do, to look up the question at hand and give the correct information. It is the same here in the US. Some, including many of our leaders, say a lie or false statement and use the reasoning that if they say the same thing many times it becomes truth. It doesn't work like that. People don't wish to look up what the answer really is. If you call me rude because I do not back down, so be it. I have not called people names or stupid, I just keep correcting the incorrect information. It seems some cannot stand being corrected they even refuse to look when they are given the address so they can look themselves. And what is wrong with a debate about the pros and cons of moving to Ireland ? Is it only the pros you wish to hear about ? If I don't give some people here what they wish to hear or see, I guess they throw their own "hissyfit". Too bad!!! After all, the definition of FORUM is a situation or meeting place for DEBATE or DISCUSSIONS.

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DebAckley
5/31/2019 17:23 EST

JoshuaK... I always appreciate your frankness & input... having lived there for a bit ... & still wish to return in my dreams... it’s insightful... I also try to look up info folks ask...part to help them.... & for me to learn... I don’t think you are rude... but then I’m an American-Irish chick who grew up in the NYC area... nothing ruffles my feathers... except the guy in DC... cheers!

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DebAckley
5/31/2019 17:23 EST

JoshuaK... I always appreciate your frankness & input... having lived there for a bit ... & still wish to return in my dreams... it’s insightful... I also try to look up info folks ask...part to help them.... & for me to learn... I don’t think you are rude... but then I’m an American-Irish chick who grew up in the NYC area... nothing ruffles my feathers... except the guy in DC... cheers!

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008
6/1/2019 06:24 EST

Excellent! Well said! Thxs mell .

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Mellis5910
6/1/2019 07:06 EST

Joshua, it is your continued mischaracterization of me and the situation that rankles. I haven't made any factual errors and always thoroughly research my responses. I also refer people to government links for clarity's sake. What may annoy you about me is my civility and positive attitude. And although you'd like to characterize your own responses as totally accurate, you have dropped the ball on occasion because, as far as I know, you are human. This is a help forum, not a debate club. I agree someone here is acting like a certain head of state who is egotistical and relentlessly argumentative, but it isn't me. Let's remember our common cause and our mission statement--to help those seeking information about life in Ireland. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

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Muddled
6/1/2019 07:22 EST

Well said Mellis5910. There are at least two people "contributing" on this forum that are making this expatexchange uncomfortable, on a regular basis.

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Mellis5910
6/1/2019 07:43 EST

BeckySusan, sorry you had such a bad experience. Next time you come to Ireland try staying outside the large cities and you will find the quality of the interaction friendlier, I think. We Irish are known for our hospitality and warmth...but heavily congested urban areas everywhere are the same.

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Mellis5910
6/1/2019 08:22 EST

Thanks Muddled. Your many years of positivity and helpfulness have always been appreciated.

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 21:55 EST

You are very kind and I thank you for that. But the customs people need to be a bit more kind. I had a cheetah sweater on with black dress pants, and bleached blonde hair. I hardly looked like a thief or freeloader. He interrogated me. And I was sweating. He was enjoying it, I could tell. It was at least 1 & 1/2 hours for nothing. Just to humiliate me I’m sure. Sad!

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 22:00 EST

But, through it all, I have a yearning to come back and have another dose of kindness from the Irish people. ??????

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 22:00 EST

But, through it all, I have a yearning to come back and have another dose of kindness from the Irish people. ??????

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 22:00 EST

But, through it all, I have a yearning to come back and have another dose of kindness from the Irish people. ??????

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 22:00 EST

But, through it all, I have a yearning to come back and have another dose of kindness from the Irish people. ??????

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beckysusan
6/1/2019 22:42 EST

I’m sorry my message came across 3 or 4 times. Not sure what happened.

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dbarnwell
6/3/2019 14:13 EST

Wiggy0809

I will post as I choose. It's called free speech.

I am Irish. I am always concerned about how our hospitality is being abused by foreign migrants. Right now we are flooded by settlers from all over the world. Some of them are dishonest.

I am not saying you are of that category, I hope you're not.

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dbarnwell
6/3/2019 14:22 EST

I wonder how many Irish people are posting here? Real tenth generation Irish people, not people who have taken out dual nationality.

It seems that posters such as mellis believe we Irish have no right to comment on the huge demographic tsunami hitting us.

S/he is wrong. Ireland has the highest rate of immigration in Europe, bar Luxembourg. An immigration rate far higher than that of US or UK. We Irish have every right to comment on what is happening to our culture and country. It is the only homeland we have ever had or will have.

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dbarnwell
6/3/2019 14:24 EST

beckysusan:

Ever thought about how visitors to US are sometimes interrogated?

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mskris1014
6/3/2019 16:24 EST

This is my situation, but I'm a US citizen and the company is based in US (I'm a full, salaried employee), but has offices and employees around the world. I'm totally onboard with doing this legally, but there doesn't seem to be a visa process for people who want to work from abroad home for a company whose headquarters are US-based. If I wanted to go the UK, I could easily transfer, but I want to go to Ireland, and while the company has employees there (also working remotely), there is no "office" location. I've contacted my HR person and they've said it's not impossible, but they're not jumping to help me (my manager is on board, though). Before I spend money going back to Ireland and exploring places to live, I want to ensure this is possible legally (I do understand the tax issues).

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mskris1014
6/3/2019 16:32 EST

So the impression I'm getting from this thread is that immigrants (legal, highly qualified) aren't welcome to the Republic?? I was hoping to transfer in the same way as the OP. I've always wanted to live abroad, have Irish ancestry (albeit 3 generations back), and am fascinated by European/Celtic/Irish history. I am a highly skilled worker in the pharmaceutical industry and thought I'd have something to contribute to the Irish pharma industry and overall economy...no?

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beckysusan
6/4/2019 06:42 EST

Certainly, but it was my first visit. I probably spent thousands while there. Not to mention, he had me scared to death. I was alone. My first time abroad. Last person to get my luggage off the luggage pickup. I was humiliated and sweating, like I was an escaped convict. That’s the end of my story. Please let me apologise for my country’s treatment of your people. I’m ashamed of how people are treated in my country. But that’s another story.......hopefully, someone will take pity on you and at least load your luggage for you.

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beckysusan
6/4/2019 06:46 EST

I agree with you sweetie, but when my friend came and picked me up, it was smooth sailing. I couldn’t have asked for a better trip. I cried when I left, not knowing if I would ever return. Lovely country.

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Muddled
6/4/2019 08:47 EST

@MSKRIS114 Please don't judge all of Ireland by this forum - some of the posters ARE NOT expats, nor are they interested in HELPING expats (the two reasons EE have stated are the point of this site); they prefer to play judge and jury.

Also, to the OP that said they have been silenced on this forum previously, I am really surprised as the creators of this site are very hands off and there aren't any moderators. I know, because I have requested moderation of this forum more than once.

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Mellis5910
6/4/2019 10:00 EST

mskris1014 - Here's a link to the Critical Skills List, you may find your area of expertise listed there. Emigres with these skills and the other attributes which you describe are of course very welcome here. As Muddled rightly noted, there appears to be a few whose sole purpose in contributing to this board is to discourage immigration into Ireland. Please consider the source when evaluating responses. https://dbei.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do/Workplace-and-Skills/Employment-Permits/Employment-Permit-Eligibility/Highly-Skilled-Eligible-Occupations-List/

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dbarnwell
6/4/2019 14:09 EST

mskris1014

Your impression is wrong.
Immigrants who can bring some skill or other talent are definitely welcome.
Even though Dublin (perhaps 25% foreign migrants) is totally overpopulated, polluted, impossible traffic, hard to find a place to live, lines in the hospitals, overcrowded schools etc. Dublin is completely changed from the distinctively Irish city it was less than two decades ago.

Ireland has accepted huge numbers of migrants, the highest percentage in Europe, higher than UK or US. Most people you will come across in downtown Dublin are not Irish. So I don't know how you formed the impression that "immigrants (legal, highly qualified) aren't welcome to the Republic".

And I would caution against one or two posters who appear to think that everyone is free to comment on immigration to Ireland.
Except an Irish person....

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frankg1970
6/4/2019 16:18 EST

Thats the difference in giving an opinion on basics or knowing all the facts before you comment I suppose

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Lullie
6/16/2019 15:32 EST

I may be in the same situation if my husband finds a job in Ireland. I work for a small attorney firm from home. Our whole team are living in different parts of South Africa. I was hoping to keep my work from home job and want to know if and how it would be possible.

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