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sfhombre
8/29/2019 08:40 EST

My wife and I arrived in Italy on 10/1/18 with a PdS Visa from the US and now have our Italian ID and 1 year PdS cards. We have not yet applied for PdS renewal.

We are considering taking a trip back to the US in late October 2019 for some weeks to explore resuming permanent residence in the US and returning to Italy for just three months each summer.

If we decide to resume US residency does anyone know if we will have issues reentering Italy, either when:

1. We come back in Nov/Dec to arrange for return of the household goods we had shipped to Italy in connection with our 2018 move here; or

2. When we return In June 2020 for the summer

Do we need to file an Italian tax return for 2019? If so, when?

Any other things related to our residency here the past year here that we should do here before we leave in October?

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Shtinky
8/29/2019 10:00 EST

First we need to know when your most recent PdS expires.

Second we need to know the number of days you were physically residing in Italy. Was it more than 183 in 2019?

Then we can probably answer your questions.

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sfhombre
8/29/2019 11:21 EST

Shtinky

Our PdS will Expire Oct 2, 2019

We have been in Italy more than 183 days in 2019

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Shtinky
8/29/2019 12:07 EST

For the tax part. Yes, you technically do owe taxes and the tax deadline is July 31 next year.

For the other part it’s hard to get my head around it! So, as of October 2 you won’t be here under your Visa anymore. I’m thinking that this means you revert to being a tourist again on October 2 and you have to follow the 90 days in out of 180 rule. So you could leave late October and return in November for your stuff as long as you don’t overstay the 90 rule.

I could be wrong on this. Let’s see what others may chime in with. Interesting question!

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rsetzer99
8/29/2019 12:34 EST

First thing is you should apply for your renewal of pds before you leave. If you let it expire and decide to stay in Italy you will have a good deal of trouble. if you let it expire and want to re-enter in dec to arrange shipping, it may depend on whether anyone looks closely as your passport. Finally, yes, you will owe taxes to Italy for 2019. Payment deadline is end of July.

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sfhombre
8/29/2019 14:46 EST

In that case, we’ll plan to apply for renewal of our PdS before it expires on October 2, 2019. If the bureaucratic process is as slow this time as it was in getting the first PdS, it will be months before we hear anything back from the Questura.

I assume we should have our PdS renewal application papers with us when we return to Italy to prepare our goods for shipment. We intend to keep our apartment in Italy, and have someone who can monitor our mail in Italy in our absence.

By the time taxes are due the end ofJuly 2020, we will have long made our decision as to where we will reside and can prepare accordingly.

Anything other thoughts on what else we should do before visiting the US the end of October 2019?

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Shtinky
8/29/2019 16:33 EST

What a good response. Absolutely do apply for the new one and carry the receipt when you come and go, it keeps your options open. For the future, if you let it lapse you’d have a hard time trying to reverse course,

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codybrandy
8/29/2019 18:33 EST

Dear SFHombre, 2 quick things: first when you apply for your renewal you must drop it off at the post office and they will at that time give you a finger-printing date at your questura...that is usually only a few weeks away...the fingerprinting is done before they send the docs off to Rome for approval...if you need to change the date (they won't change it for you at the p.o.) you take your appointment paper to the questura and they will change it for you. Secondly, it is true that the regions are very different in processing....Liguria was c. 3 1/2 months after the fingerprinting appt. I've heard down south is even longer. You might get your docs together (make many copies of everything) in the next week or so. Best of luck.

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Umbertomar
8/30/2019 04:57 EST

During your time in Italy, did you have a residence in the US that was available to you?
This relates to tax residency under the Italy/US tax treaty

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thefountain
8/30/2019 08:21 EST

Hi. I don't have an answer but may I ask a question.? I have been trying to decide if I should move to Italy. And found there are things that made me feel I shouldn't move. Is it possible for you to tell me why you want to come back to the U. S. Thank you.

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